He is weak but we shouldn't underestimate the establishment trying to get behind him. Don't get complacent, don't ease up. Act as if Bernie is down by 15 points. VOLUNTEER, organize, talk to people, get them REGISTERED TO VOTE (as Dems), and donate if you can. #NotmeUs
@beasheerhan44824 жыл бұрын
Exactly right, Dear Adam - this is, after all, the very same government establishment where engineers elections all around the world - without a single care about what happens to those countries in the aftermath.
@khoayeuha4 жыл бұрын
You referring to the kneecap of Bernie in 2016.
@justinbaker28834 жыл бұрын
1000% agree. hill underestimates competition, better served to overestimate rather than keep pushing out vids why bernie will win every state. had a vid last week that bernie could have won south carolina and wrapped up the race. this serves no purpose other than sounding echochambery. cmon bern finish strong
@jaguarwarrior8664 жыл бұрын
+Adam Iaccheo As A Bernie Supporter And A Veteran 4 Yrs. U.S.M.C. I Am So Frustrated With The Lack of, As Saagar Points Out A Killer instinct Within The Sanders Campaign. Ro Khanna Has None As Far As I Can Tell. Nina Turner Is A Fierce Woman But Not A Mean Person.I Don't Even Know The Other Two Sanders Campaign Co-Chairs Without Research. (Which Shows How Insignificant They Are.) We Progressives Need A Rattlesnake "Don't Tread on Me" Mean Type Man/Woman Within The Sanders Campaign. A Hatchet Man/Woman Willing To Do The "Dirty" Political Work. To Use A Sports Analogy, Kind of Like What Dennis Rodman Did For The Chicago Bulls. Which I As A Chicagoan, Am Familiar With.
@amyill92804 жыл бұрын
Yup. And Klobuchar and Pete just dropped out and are endorsing Biden, Biden will definitely be able to beat Bernie :(
@DisgustingAct4 жыл бұрын
Warren is the most disgustingly cynical and hollow candidate I’ve ever seen. Absolutely gross.
@vicshephard92314 жыл бұрын
Senator Harris had her beat.
@christophercelmer4054 жыл бұрын
I thought pete booty judge was.
@mrfolgers46424 жыл бұрын
Jared Sherman so true. All she talks about are her selfie lines
@jackohere18784 жыл бұрын
@@christophercelmer405 I would call it a tie.
@Nameless2k64 жыл бұрын
Nah, Bloomberg is still worse, Biden’s report likely already looks like a lying and hollow candidate, Pete is more cynical and hollow than Warren, still.... at least Amy is mostly honest about her moderate stances.
@avalangrin49044 жыл бұрын
Please don’t call the centrist delegates “Super Friends.” They are most certainly the Legion of Doom. 🤣🤣🤣
@buckeyewill21664 жыл бұрын
Ava Langrin ....Are they the Illuminati?????
@arobotarmy98784 жыл бұрын
I wish they’d stop calling them “centrists” when the more accurate label is clearly “conservatives”.
@GOLANX4 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile at the evil hall of evil... Waaa how do we steal this election
@pagingdrbitchcraft4 жыл бұрын
TYT’s comment section is cancer. But here... 😙👌
@kevkus4 жыл бұрын
Even Democrats hate the Democrats. I love it.
@sudevsen4 жыл бұрын
Y'all are clearly forgetting about Other Biden who is clearly the stronger candidate for Senate.
@joaomarveloso10494 жыл бұрын
lol
@davyanonymous96744 жыл бұрын
Lol
@radarmike24214 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@DanielField20234 жыл бұрын
But got Arrested in Africa LOL what a B.S this man is
@Gusinabus4 жыл бұрын
Trump has already beaten Biden , corruption in ukraine accusations will kill him.
@LuisTorres-mx8fg4 жыл бұрын
Why I will NEVER vote for Biden = Debbie W. Schultz endonsement
@georgebanks37124 жыл бұрын
Schultz is Hillary's girl so it's no surprise she is backing Biden.
@JVIPER884 жыл бұрын
If Biden wins the Dem nomination, vote for him. Otherwise, you're allowing the fascist to have 4 more years in the white house.
@IntellectuallyKurious4 жыл бұрын
@@JVIPER88 I certainly will. Key word here is WIN. If superdelegates get involved and cheat Bernie I feel a lot of ppl are gonna say eff it and stay home. Especially the younger and first time voters who are so fired up about Bernie.
@JVIPER884 жыл бұрын
@@IntellectuallyKurious It would be so dumb and shortsighted if Sanders supporters stay home if Bernie gets screwed out of the nomination. Because we'd get double-screwed by allowing the orange clown to pick possibly two more supreme court justices. That just can't happen...
@JVIPER884 жыл бұрын
@Mark Victor A recession lasts 2 years. A 7-2 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court will devastate the country for decades.
@robertdurden86224 жыл бұрын
Biden: We made 5 million! Ha! Bernie: Cute. We broke our old record of 25 million. 45 million in the last 29 days.
@expendable4h0024 жыл бұрын
Trump raised $86M in February.
@vanessad.26254 жыл бұрын
@@expendable4h002 well duh, he's the president. Please focus
@vanessad.26254 жыл бұрын
$10 of that money has my name on it 💪
@robertdurden86224 жыл бұрын
@@expendable4h002 Bernie would've raised over 100 mil if there weren't 8 people running for the democrats. Conversely, Trump wouldn't have raised as much if he had 7 opponents.
@terror.australis4 жыл бұрын
@@robertdurden8622 donations are a bit like votes, you can't tally up all the democratic donations and say 'these would have been Bernie's' just like you can't tally up all the moderates votes and say 'these would have been Biden's'
@mysticriv4 жыл бұрын
It’s basically establishment versus Bernie now - just look at cnn, msnbc. It is now or never for Bernie and his supporters, they need to get out and VOTE!
@lynnjacobs98854 жыл бұрын
OK, Joe. You are a WINNER!!! Now, drop out and retire.
@19413924 жыл бұрын
C’mon man !
@hailawho4 жыл бұрын
I haven’t been able the watch Chris Hayes since I discovered Saagar!
@BryanBMusic4 жыл бұрын
Deno Pelle Saagar is definitely cuter!
@caroljomartin30514 жыл бұрын
They're both excellent!!!
@TahtahmesDiary4 жыл бұрын
🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@mauritiusdunfagel94734 жыл бұрын
Saagar is so cute!
@doctormeatball76184 жыл бұрын
"We can't bust heads like we used to. But we have our ways. One trick is to tell stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for m'shoe. So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt. Which was the style at the time." - Joe Biden
@superfly24494 жыл бұрын
DoctorMeatball Aww, grampa! You forgot your pants again.
@SpiralSine64 жыл бұрын
Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," we’d say!
@silverfox62294 жыл бұрын
pretty much
@pagingdrbitchcraft4 жыл бұрын
“Now my story begins in 19-dickety-2. We had to say dickety cause that Kaiser had stolen our word twenty. I chased that rascal to get it back, but gave up after dickety-6 miles... “
@wcjerky4 жыл бұрын
Make sure it was a yellow onion.
@FreeFoodforthePoor4 жыл бұрын
Not even 40 hours after the primary is finished, South Carolina is again regarded as a Confederacy themed hospice community.
@pagingdrbitchcraft4 жыл бұрын
Oof 😂
@burnie7734 жыл бұрын
@Aaron A420But they yield a great deal of wool .
@-thirteen4 жыл бұрын
Isnt it anti American to vote anti establishment?
@PhoenixwayNet4 жыл бұрын
Perfect!
@YungNoDussy4 жыл бұрын
@Aaron A420 they just love sitting down in front of their TV after a long day of work and watching establishment news. They dont care about the corruption, or anything regarding actual politics for that matter. They are content with their media consumption and resulting ideological views. It blows my mind though because these people can be very intelligent in other aspects of their life but refuse to put the effort in regarding politics.
@jonathanf.93954 жыл бұрын
"Leave the MEME's to us, BOOMERS, We've GOT this!" Funniest thing Saagar has ever said! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@mattrussillo45874 жыл бұрын
Age-bigot.
@redlightmax4 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't it be Saagar's Raadar?🥁 [crickets] Is this thing on?
@caroljomartin30514 жыл бұрын
Lol
@PM-pc7ql4 жыл бұрын
What blood thinners are you on. DNC will ask you that Soon. They will not ask about your taxes! So that is good right?
@mountaindweller7774 жыл бұрын
Cute
@jamessgian76914 жыл бұрын
Might need to make up a new term: micflop. Not quite a micdrop due to Dad joke level pun involved. ;)
@some1namedno14 жыл бұрын
MICHIGANDERS FOR BERNIE!!!
@overbeb4 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah. Michigan is Bernie country and we will deliver him an overwhelming victory here.
@travissorenson95544 жыл бұрын
Us in Wisconsin too. Rust belt states will deliver the win to Bernie, mark my words.
@vannakinder3524 жыл бұрын
The first time Ohioans (I hate living in Ohio, hey tho my states most liked well gov. is the only rep. standing up to Trump) will agree on a candidate.
@rontrose4 жыл бұрын
I think a real conversation about his fitness for office needs to be had
@artistsf14 жыл бұрын
remember, Regan got by.
@LG-km8fw4 жыл бұрын
What about heart attack Bernie?
@DisgruntledRTFan4 жыл бұрын
@@LG-km8fw Sanders has released more information regarding his health than any other candidate. Sure, he could release more, but at some point you have to recognize goalpost moving for what it is.
@luciasss4574 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty obvious when he speaks that something is not all there.
@rontrose4 жыл бұрын
L G He got two stents and has reported back to duty. I’m talking mental fitness. Bernie has more energy than 3 teenagers. Biden is showing real signs of early dementia. He will be clobbered by Trump in any debate should they decide to steal the nomination from Bernie. No one left could possibly out preform Trump on a debate stage except for Bernie and even that will be tough.
@nalapavo61814 жыл бұрын
Biden already gave up himself, this win shocked him just as well.
@djflobug4 жыл бұрын
Joe is the first black woman to be elected to the Senate. Give him a break!
@williamina35874 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol, what he meant to say is to appoint the first black woman to the supreme court... poor guy
@williamina35874 жыл бұрын
@@MackeyDeeez lol
@matthewcondie40524 жыл бұрын
Pennsylvania will never go for corporate Joe.
@beulahboi4 жыл бұрын
We can't
@jamedraa84724 жыл бұрын
God, I hope not.
@charlieni6454 жыл бұрын
Did doorknocking for Bernie in a working class community mostly consisted of immigrants and minorities in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Not a single Biden supporter. Latinos and African Americans reacted with incredible enthusiasm when I knocked on their doors which really gives me hope. All of them issue driven.
@alanhyt794 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Baseball7144 жыл бұрын
Hey Crystal I live 10 minutes away from Biden’s front door in Delaware and trust me he’s not that strong here. Love you guys
@guillermorivas78194 жыл бұрын
LOL! Biden is done, weak sauce.
@damiankirkwood79244 жыл бұрын
wish that was true...the establishment are really supporting him now, amy and pete drop out and throw there support behind, and warren will horde some delegates...biden is going to get it....its all bullshit
@gloriastanleygarcia46814 жыл бұрын
In 2016, I thought it would be better to select Hilary the safe, traditional, establishment candidate. I was wrong. Lets not make this mistake again. A moderate will not win in 2020
@PhoenixwayNet4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for confessing that. I also confess I voted for Obama and Clinton 2 crappy presidents.
@kirarittberg50884 жыл бұрын
Gloria Stanley Garcia It has nothing to do with moderate or progressive. It has more to do with trust and like ability. Hillary was the least trusted candidate ever. I saw a poll and Hillary was the least trusted candidate in 2016. Bernie is ahead because whether you like his platform or not he is considered more trustworthy. That will change if the dnc rips him off again and he sucks it up like he did in 2016. Warren , Biden and Bloomberg are not trustworthy or likeable and they will never win an election. I have no horse in this race !
@dvdv81974 жыл бұрын
We don't forget. We're not like MSM or shills being paid for that opinion. We will CRUSH SUPER TUESDAY!!!! GET OUT THE VOTE!!!! VOTE VOTE VOTE ON SUPER TUESDAY!! #BernieIsMyPresident #NotMeUs
@tobydawes60074 жыл бұрын
Let's turn Texas California and many other states progressive tomorrow
@mattm3144 жыл бұрын
Picked up my copy of The Populist Guide yesterday, I had it ordered at Left Bank Books in St Louis MO
@kybelian4 жыл бұрын
The Black Stockholm Syndrome vote of S. Carolina.
@lindegirl3334 жыл бұрын
You are so right. 🇺🇸
@LB-gz3ke4 жыл бұрын
IKR. How do you live in a state flooded with information, advertising and visits from hopeful candidates yet not make a decision until the last minute when one old politician tells you who to vote for? I would be embarrassed to admit that I had no mind of my own but 47% happily told exit pollsters this.
@stanleystewart84444 жыл бұрын
This is a very white, misguided opinion.
@jw59314 жыл бұрын
@@stanleystewart8444 Stop voting for the dude who will slash social security
@ksuny4 жыл бұрын
SC Voters: We want a return to the Obama years. Time: I don't live in the past. Me: Let's move forward, not backwards.
@heraclitusblacking12934 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the nostalgia needs to be called out more.
@msblanche90354 жыл бұрын
For the love of humanity we must elect Bernie Sanders.
@mandarintomato92054 жыл бұрын
For the love of all things not human too!
@nathanialmynameisajoke4 жыл бұрын
Tim cain endorsed him? Guys, this thing might be over lol
@WOWitsANT4 жыл бұрын
Nathanial Miller I honestly forgot Tim Kaine existed.
@mrgabest4 жыл бұрын
@@WOWitsANT I unironically have no idea who that is.
@AlyD2474 жыл бұрын
They’re “friends” just like warren smh. Right “friends” ugh. Come on Bernie!
@ca61774 жыл бұрын
He’ just such a decent human being! Wish everyone would see that!
@fudgesticklebear4 жыл бұрын
@@ca6177 he needs to grow a pair and attack Biden
@AlyD2474 жыл бұрын
The problem is he was doing good attacking Biden on policies but he needed to keep doing so before South Carolina
@burnie7734 жыл бұрын
Joe Biden , a goose who doesn't realize he's already been cooked .
@TheGroovyJones4 жыл бұрын
You get a thumbs up just for: "Leave the memes to us Boomers, we've got this."
@mattrussillo45874 жыл бұрын
Age bigot!
@nathanhamilton33764 жыл бұрын
His whole campaign is like a reverse Potemkin village where he is only allowed to talk in public on, one of his good days. Despite all their efforts though he still comes across as perpetually angry, afraid and confused.
@gardengnome18274 жыл бұрын
Bernie voters need to knock it out of the park on super Tuesday . Really more worried about super delegates than Biden.
@dallassmith74684 жыл бұрын
Which involved a lot of lying there Joe!
@anandprahlad6994 жыл бұрын
Forget it, they won't let Bernie win in a fair fight. Screw this "Democrat" party.
@miguel-h4 жыл бұрын
You’re right. The DNC will never let him. Only The People Can Make It Happen! ✊
@cassandrajoiner99334 жыл бұрын
No! VOTE! if you do not see someone you like RUN FOR OFFICE! I'm excited to vote for a better America!
@cheryll.conner78654 жыл бұрын
have you read Tim Canova's info about the packability of the machines used in SC?
@RingsOfSolace4 жыл бұрын
0:10 "all jokes aside" Bro that was not a joke, that was a roast the likes of which this country has never seen. If you said that to Biden directly people might elect YOU president.
@iamthorthehopeoftherevolut89164 жыл бұрын
THERE ARE NO FRIENDS IN WAR, ONLY USEFUL RELATIONSHIPS
@michaelgj234 жыл бұрын
“Joe is a friend of mine...” I don’t give a shit, Bernie. He’s not my friend, and he’s no friend of the working class.
@sadface74574 жыл бұрын
There is this concern that he did well there but people forget how heavily he banked in that state.
@lewip19914 жыл бұрын
Sooo nervous in the UK!
@DerekDominoes4 жыл бұрын
Bernie will come to regret calling Biden and Warren his "good friends."
@klebersalas43314 жыл бұрын
"Leave the memes to us Boomers, we got this" LMAOOO
@NjorunsDream4 жыл бұрын
You two work so good together, you always have complimenting information on your radars and in your dialogue together.
@dropGwolf4 жыл бұрын
Saagar's tie is awesome.
@forlornd4 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake the Bernie campaign can make now is to underestimate the ignorance of the elderly
@mattm3144 жыл бұрын
Not actually first
@mrgabest4 жыл бұрын
'Leave the memes to us, Boomers; we've got this' is t-shirt and bumper sticker material.
@grantsampson7764 жыл бұрын
How weak is he now that Amy has dropped out is the question
@gloriastanleygarcia46814 жыл бұрын
Senator Bernie is one I trust. Not me Us
@matthewdavis30144 жыл бұрын
Biden's entire campaign reminds me of Weekend at Bernies.
@MrGHawaii4 жыл бұрын
Thanks you, Saagar. This was your best editorial so far. I love hearing the truth.
@d34dmantwoguns4 жыл бұрын
🌽💥corn pop rip 🌽💥
@steveandrews22154 жыл бұрын
Just to throw some praise on your show... Your rate of subscription numbers over the last month and a half are simply staggering... From 160k to 318k... Well done. You are the new and improved MSM for the common man... Thank you Krystal and Saagar...
@MichaelDeMersLA4 жыл бұрын
You’re Gettin Nervous Man!!!!
@redlightmax4 жыл бұрын
omgwtfbbq More Biden quotes in the last 3 months than in the last 30 years.🤷♂️
@Crick19524 жыл бұрын
Saagar being a straight savage for 12 mins 😂🔥🔥
@DavidMendoza-wx8zd3 жыл бұрын
This video didn’t age well LMFAO. Biden’s going to be one of the greatest presidents this country’s ever had.
@mindfulness5475 Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@radar95614 жыл бұрын
Love these analysis
@johnathanjenkins2894 жыл бұрын
I hate that after a hill video I’m forced to watch Seth Myers for some reason.
@rainedyani85054 жыл бұрын
Bernie needs to finally grow a pair and start treating his opponents as opponents. Biden is hitting him; he needs to hit back!!
@indefatigable81934 жыл бұрын
Kornacki for permanent middle chair status!
@MrYoubrian4 жыл бұрын
14 states reportedly raced to pass legislation a few years go to make sure by law that the delegates in that state could not vote against the will of the people. In other words, the delegates would HAVE to vote for the candidate with the most popular votes.---- Questions- 1. Which states? Would those laws come into play for Super Tuesday? 2. Are the laws just for the presidential campaign or the primaries also? 3. Were those states mostly Democrat or Republican led? 4. Do those states laws override the DNC?
@sujimtangerines4 жыл бұрын
Ballotpedia has some info, scroll down for states with rules on who delegate can/should vote for and when they're released from that statute... As well as what happens to delegates pledged to candidates that drop out. It's in table form so might be better to read on larger screen. ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020
@DarkesLuk4 жыл бұрын
That biden roast tho 😂😂 Its almost elderly abuse lol
@teaj78394 жыл бұрын
Saagar said: "Diverse Person"
@mustafabinsober12484 жыл бұрын
Bernie can bring together a diverse coalition like Hamas and Hezbollah
@robertriley39964 жыл бұрын
I love her taste in dresses god bless
@migrantson4 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt count Biden out.
@dmar36514 жыл бұрын
So uhh, how’s that video coming along?
@Scottm17214 жыл бұрын
Saaaaaagggggggggggggggggaaanggggggg
@waynegalvin46394 жыл бұрын
Good discussion and analysis that you don’t hear in the mainstream media.
@del03734 жыл бұрын
2:21 Grass Moots?
@marvinthemartian8574 жыл бұрын
Mass Groots
@ZetaMoolah4 жыл бұрын
Marvin the Martian I A M G R O O T
@vcedric714 жыл бұрын
Yeah Bernie has to get serious and enough with my friend. Attack mode
@marksimpson43774 жыл бұрын
Meh...SC was always a lost cause for Bernie; older African American voters have been voting against their interests for decades. I wouldn't waste resources in SC, AL and GA
@CaptFoster54 жыл бұрын
Bernie/Nina 2020 or let it all burn to the ground!
@BlackDoveNYC4 жыл бұрын
You said it right, from now’ til November you gotta run scared. As if you are 10 points behind.
@okirrama35874 жыл бұрын
....and Bernie is still incredibly Crazy
@jodivalentino67984 жыл бұрын
I love that color on you, Krystal!
@Ixah4 жыл бұрын
When is your audiobook coming?
@chakawoowoo4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Bernie and stumbling , bumbling Joe debate one one. Anyone remember the Admiral debating in 92?
@mrmody2494 жыл бұрын
"Yes. In the garden, growth has it seasons. First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again."
@KajsaBernhardina4 жыл бұрын
The Hill, I love your content but please don’t have ads in the middle of a conversation, it’s extremely annoying to have Krystal and Saagars ideas interupted in that way. Have ads running in the end of the video or end of a sentence, please don’t put them in the middle of sentences, it’s also disrespectful to the hosts. You wouldn’t interrupt them IRL in the middle of a conversation - so why on earth would you do it with the ads?
@jessesmith45204 жыл бұрын
Nice tie
@serena33004 жыл бұрын
I like Sagaar's tie today. Very sharp.
@Rob4circleoflife4 жыл бұрын
A day late and a dollar short!! Can’t use it on Super Tuesday!!! 😳😮😦😱😜😂
@coweatsman4 жыл бұрын
"The super friends". More like the super villains.
@khoatruong68454 жыл бұрын
Krystal Ball, never ever change. In a sea of corporatist voices in DC, yours is consistently refreshing, poignant, and unapologetically progressive. You stand out! Thanks 🙏
@jflivingston4 жыл бұрын
BS. Krystal is pandering. If she says one more time that "the media and establishment just don't understand why Bernie is so popular" I'm going to puke. I can't figure out if she is shilling for a DNC job or if, maybe, she's planning to run for some democratic office.
@jflivingston4 жыл бұрын
The DNC, Inc. (YES, IT IS A COMPANY NOT A POLITICAL PARTY!) knows exactly how popular Bernie is. His election means they won't have their jobs anymore!
@keremcantekin4 жыл бұрын
I still think considering the treat level of Bloomberg, attacking his campaign was more important than attacking Biden.
@redlightmax4 жыл бұрын
Kerem Cantekin 👍 Biden will implode, but Bloomberg is still a genuine danger.
@grim_dave4 жыл бұрын
That "yep" from Krystal right at the end. That's the first time I've ever heard any sort of nervousness from her.
@TheCronesEye4 жыл бұрын
"Leave the memes to us, boomers. We got this." 😂👍
@lindajensen87094 жыл бұрын
What a difference a day makes.
@taniaelliott66254 жыл бұрын
Complacency kills. Always. Bernie 2020❤
@FaithMachine4 жыл бұрын
Saagar's comparisons to the 2016 Republican primary are always spot on!
@mariagonzalez-blue47194 жыл бұрын
Krystal and Sagaar always look great! Krystal's tops always interesting, Saagar's suits, ties, classy. And they are intelligent and articulate.
@fLanycz4 жыл бұрын
the thing with the popular vote being relevant for one day also made me laugh :D
@fionamorris96344 жыл бұрын
‘A grass moos movement’. Lol Saagar. I know it was a slip of the tongue but I giggled anyway. 😂😂
@mexluther4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter what happens worst case scenario just write in Bernie
@kafinavlogs89004 жыл бұрын
"Leave the memes to us, boomers. We got this." lol AGREED. #Bernie2020
@victorespino56504 жыл бұрын
Yea you take someone down, you have to make sure they stay down
@steveyoung6274 жыл бұрын
Thank You young folks. I'm 50 years old and am all in for Bernie. I wish my generation would have been more progressive!!!
@johnmason37984 жыл бұрын
Bernie Rally St. Paul....The vibe was great!...Everybody this is a great democratic moment!