SAB Medusa PRO explained | Review by Balz Müller

[@vervincktkoen]

Its al about passion, and Balz is speaking full of passion about the sport and the material, he is the reason that I exchange my old Moses material to the new Kraken system, looking forward to try it out!! Thanks Balz, Icarus Belgium and Sabfoil!!

[@sabfoil]

Thank you, we are glad you chose us and upgraded to KMS. And you are right, Balz is a passionate and incredible front man 🙌 Let us know your feedback on Medusa PRO!

[@Koenvervinckt]

First impression of the New Medusa 669 is once's it foils it is very smooth ... looking forward to check the new order of the 769 for lighter kitewinds!! Im in love with these baby's .... looking forward to upgrade my level!!

[@hansmaier479]

⁠@@Koenvervinckt@sabfoil In kiting, how does the 669 compare to the 769 in terms of take off speed, light wind capabilities, and manouverability? And how do these wings compare to the W679 (Moses)? What stabilizers do you use them with?

[@Koenvervinckt]

@@hansmaier479 Im 75kg and I was out with my 8m kite (naish boxer) in 14knts, with the 769 ,370 83mast set up, is was lifting very quick out of the water, I can not compare with the 679 because I never owend one... I have the 669 and 769 frontwings for kiting...

[@irf888]

Hi. Thanks for making the video. What weight are you and do you see a reason (and if so why) to ever use the 799 now after using this new set? Regards.

[@jimmymazzanti1451]

for a rider that is approaching the freestyle moves the WM799 is still the top choice

[@irf888]

Good one thanks. @@jimmymazzanti1451

[@sabfoil]

Hi, Mr. Mazzanti is right, WM799 is still a top choice and will remain in the line. But if you are already a good freestyler or just want something to go faster and in control, Medusa PRO will be a very good upgrade for you

[@irf888]

@@sabfoil thanks. If you don’t want less low end than the 799, you need the largest Pro right? But then top end speed is the same right? What do you suggest? Regards.

[@sabfoil]

@@irf888 Yes, WMP869 allows you to take off quite easely and can still reach high speed. The top end is still higher than WM799

[@Koenvervinckt]

The 769 is a amazing frontwing for kiting, very quick lift for his 700 cm²... ( 12knts, 70kg, 8m kite)

[@sabfoil]

it is indeed!

[@marks9991]

should I upgrade from my 899 you think? I just cruise and carve and some playing on the waves on my lake with 6.0 to 4.5..... No jumping. Is this the foil I need, or should I choose another from the SAB lineup? btw I now have the 93 mast, 703 fuselage and 430 stab.... Just change the 899 for this one? tx. You rock!

[@EschBen]

The 909 is a great foil. Ist way faster than the 899 and you dont need so much more wind for takeoff. But I think if you want to go for the 909 you should also update your stab to 370/380/395 or sth. The 909 is super easy to ride in my experience also for cruising.

[@Georg_HH7]

Hello Balz, how do these new foils perform in waves? Like proper ocean swell, 2-5 m, 18 sec. . And, if you'd go on a trip to peru with such conditions, which foils would you take? Now imagine the wind is low and gusty and you've got 95 kg. ;) Thanks for your help!

[@sabfoil]

Hi @Jurge-Panama! Medusa PROs perforrm great in waves thanks to improved speed, glide and great carving. They also have a pretty good pump ability, allowing you to easily reach the lineup. In those low wind conditions you will probably choose WMP869 or WMP769. If you can have both to choose depending on the swell, even better! ;)

[@obvioustrash7833]

Hey, I am kind of confused about the info on the sabfoil site. The medusa pro 669 speeds say 16-18knots take off speed and 31-33 top end speed. Does this mean you need 16-18 knots of winds to start and you can ride the foil until 31-33 knots (until it starts feeling out of control)? Or does it mean you need 16-18 knots of wind to start and the top speed of the foil is around 31-33 knots?

[@dorstenkarl3878]

Hi, I am pretty sure the take off and top speed is meant. So not the windspeed but the speed of the foil and rider itself

[@sabfoil]

like @dorstenkarl3878 suggests, you need to ride at 16-18 knt with your foil to take off. It is a pretty small front wing, you need quite a strong condition

[@RonKolijn]

Hi Baltz How do these new Pro wings compare to the 'old' Medusa wings? I'm currently using 899 for low wind and 799 for stronger winds. Could I just exchange them with the 869 and 769 and get about the same wind range to cover? This looks almost impossible as these wings are almost halve of the cm2 area (500 and 400 cm2 smaller) as the old ones! And as I use the current ones a lot in waves, what do you expect from the new Pro model to do in the waves? Love to hear from you! Greetz from Holland

[@sabfoil]

Hi @RonKolijn! As Balz explains, Medusa PROs allow yor for easy and early take-offs even if the surface area is way lower than the standard Medusa line, thanks to the dedicated profile and design. About waves, PRO line has better speed, better glide and great carving ability, so we think you will like them very much! Let us know your feedback once tried!

[@RonKolijn]

@@sabfoil Will do so 👍

[@RonKolijn]

​@@sabfoil Just had my first session on the new WM869 Pro... incredible! I could launch/start with about the same wind that I would need with my old WM799, where it is a lot smaller!!! And in exchange it gave me lots more manoeuvrability, glide and top speed, without sacrificing on any stability or so... I am still stoked about this positive surprise! Can't wait for the next session on it 😀

[@JOVO1971]

Hi together,@@sabfoil , and what's with the stall? Now I have also Medusa 899/899 and it works perfect for me. Before I had a Slingshot G-900/1000 Mid-Aspect. With to much low speed you fall abruptly down. The start lift worked only with more speed, no chance with foot pumping to come up.

[@eduardodiazcano8915]

Would woks the s425 with any of them or it would be too large?

[@sabfoil]

It is a bit large, but will work well with WMP869. For the other ones it would be bettor to go smaller (S430 at least, but even better S370, S399 or S380)

[@eduardodiazcano8915]

@@sabfoil Thank you for the information. Your knowledge of this combination is greatly appreciated.

[@Adam-de-R]

Balz - are you using these on the Windfoil too?

[@sabfoil]

Hi Adam, yes they great also for Windfoil and Kitefoil. Check these two: Wind: instagram.com/reel/CwXoXOQIpIv/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg== Kite: instagram.com/reel/CwBDAVCoUx_/?igshid=NjIwNzIyMDk2Mg==

[@rickhughes22]

How would this work for kitefoil freerace / fast freeride?

[@rickhughes22]

Also which stab would you recommend for speed / stability?

[@sabfoil]

It will work great! We suggest the smallest one, WMP669, for kitefoil

[@sabfoil]

For Kite you can easily go with S380 or S399 for a good drive and stability

[@hansmaier479]

@@sabfoilFor kitefoil, how does the 669 compare to the 769, 671, and 679 in terms of low wind capability and take off speed and what would you recommend for a good rider of 110 kg?

[@blacksheep5736]

I now have the W940 & W945, and I like wave riding, would it be a good idea to replace them with the Medusa's (more speed & glide? And do they use the same fuselage?

[@sabfoil]

Yes, you could actually think about WMP869 and also the new Balz's pro model WMP909

[@jmmolinari]

Thanks for the very nice review! I am kiting with the 699 and I am looking fw increasing speed, would you recommend the 669?

[@sabfoil]

Absolutely yes, it will work really good!

[@hansmaier479]

Did you try the 669 with a kite? How's take off speed in light winds? How does it compare to the 769?

[@jmmolinari]

Did not try it yet

[@hansmaier479]

@@jmmolinari Have you tried 679 before, and if so, how does the 699 compare?

[@jmmolinari]

@@hansmaier479 I tried the 679 but long time ago.. I think the 699 has more speed and carve than the 633 and 679.. maybe it is closer to the 679... But since I have the 699 I don't use any other front wing to kite.. very important: change the stabilizer as well! I use to have a big onethe S450 and when changed to the smaller S330Y then it changed the game! The overall speed and manoeuvrability improved a lot! There are newer stabilizers find the best one to pair with the 699...

[@RonKolijn]

Dear SABFoil friends, Another question: With what stabiliser do you recommend to ride this Medusa Pro front wings? I am currently using the 399 with my 799 and 899 Medusa's and very happy with that combination... Will that one do?

[@sabfoil]

399 is great also on the PRO line, in particular for Freeracing. If you to a lot of freestyle we suggest also Flat line 370 and 325! Enjoy them!

[@seppi1947]

I have the 769 medusa pro its very nice

[@sabfoil]

Thank you for sharing! 🙌

[@eduardodiazcano8915]

Is it really as easy to ride as “classics”Medusa? Would works on them the flat stab 425 or it would be too big for them?

[@wingfoilmax]

Balz ist so sympathisch 😃😃 Die neuen Medusa Pros sehen mega cool aus 👌👌👌

[@sabfoil]

Thank you! 🙌

[@sabfoil]

@@deutschlernenmitmax-nb7yy thank you very much! 🙌 We will keep on improving as always 🤙

[@jaynebarrywestwood3659]

Hi Balz. Is there a good reason why you don’t ride the Sabfoil Batana boards?

[@jimmymazzanti1451]

Balz is sponsored for winging and boards by Ensis

[@sabfoil]

It is exactly as Mr. Mazzanti says. Balz is with Ensis since the beginning

[@b0b0150]

Hi there, I’m currently riding the 799 and would love the upgrade. Should I get the 769 or the 869 as a one do it all? I’m 78kg, and ride mostly at sea from 12-30kn.

[@sabfoil]

Hi! With that sea condition and your weight you you should go well with WMP769. Let us know your feedback once tried :)

[@simona5662]

🔝 they sound absolutely amazing!

[@sabfoil]

Thank you! 🙌

[@ABWatersportsUK]

If a 90kg Guy has been using the 999 and still wants to go in light winds is the 869 just going to be too small? Or is it the future!?

[@sabfoil]

Of course WM999 hasbetter low end and lift (it still has 900cm2 more) , but can not reach the same speed. If the condition is at least 10-12 Knt you can for sure enjoy it, if it is even stronger you will have a lot of fun.

[@montiou3749]

Toujours pareil, c’est génial, c’est super, ça glide, ça tourne, ça pop, vitesse infinie, ça vole à 2 noeuds, mais quand on se met à l’eau après avoir acheté, on est déçu et on se retrouve avec un matos invendable. Merci

[@sabfoil]

We would be glad for you to try it and let us know if we were telling the truth :) You can test it at Olèron Gliss Center in France if you like the idea

[@montiou3749]

@@sabfoil Sorry, but I tried the Razor Pro 875 combo with the Piuma mast. Very desapointing for me

[@kountchev1]

Hi! Thanx for the introduction. Seems like madness. But please explain to me how is it possible to have such a lift in lowwind??? Isn't it simple physics? in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6uui36Edq6Wr7c the distributor says the 850cm could go as early as the 1200 cm2 medusa..... at the end of the day, we mortals would be able to ride it in 15-16 knots at least (bald 6-8 knot low end).