Value of some SA qualifications

[@batlhalifijulius4167]

If medical doctors are unemployed then clearly the problem is not oversupply of graduates cause hospitals are in need of them.

[@bathob3625]

True, the number of unemployed doctors and nurses is scary in this country given that most public hospitals are understaffed 😢 het doctors and nurses are unemployed

[@phoebemailwane7949]

True. I feel some like to just cause confusion. There is a deep problem here.

[@njabulozimu7702]

South African employees love cheap labour. Employers prefer understaffed overworked employees paying them on overtime rather than to employ another person to do it. South Africa's economy is dependent on cheap labour, they will not employ someone with a degree that they have to pay more if they can get someone who is cheaper who can do the same thing, with doctors fortunately they are not as easy to replace with cheaper labour but it means hospitals are not willing to employ more doctors because it means less profit for them.

[@leesajustin3966]

Yep

[@siphokaziphakathi8802]

True. Teachers as well

[@dillonreichman4696]

I concur with this. Technical skills (IT, programming, data science) are much more in need and relevant to the current technology and data age we are in. However, not enough students are matriculating with the correct level of mathematics to go into these fields. There is a problem at the secondary level of education which needs to be addressed long before the students reach university.

[@Beyondry]

if you have experience and degree then yes if not then no there is no demand lot ofpeople can't get jobs even in IT

[@resphantom]

I would say in general we need more Engineers

[@Breadbuzy]

Unfortunately this is not true. Universities and colleges literally have to reject qualifying people due to limited spaces. It all comes down to the stagnant economy. The economy can’t even accommodate the current workforce what more about new graduates.

[@JosephMoosa]

Well said mate!

[@menzihsbonelo207]

great point

[@SisLinaM]

Imagine studying up to PHD with zero experience and when you finally get a job they give you internship. DHET has politicised everything and our country is still going to suffer.

[@leutenentmashaba3585]

very true and it is so sad especially when the youth do not stand up to defend for this situations

[@user-ee9hy4nz7l]

The same people who are emphasizing internships they did not do even a single one, but they want other people to do it.

[@Mbaaaalss]

So true, you become Over Qualified with no experience

[@Izooo78]

Jonga!!😩

[@MJ31579]

Majority of work doesnt require Phds, or even degrees. A simple drivers license and 6month certificate can make you earn alot more. And we need to teach people how to run businesses and be entrepreneurs by having initiative that make it easier.

[@phamphiletsoalo6101]

Yet even people with those requirements are unable to get those jobs 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@nomavamgidi8784]

Do you understand the need for PHD holders has to do with challenging the status quo, we need researchers and that field is funded a lot. People looking for employment find challenges a lot as job creation is still a challenge. Institutions need to have policies reviewed whereby a person going higher enrolling for the MBA must really be a person in business. We have normalised being employed to a point even free business information that is accessible at NYDA free for youth we don't talk about it in public platforms and we do not groom youth enough for finding their purposes.

[@tearyb]

Bring back technical colleges, young people need skills, degree is a piece of paper that doesn’t guarantee a job.

[@kevindlamini9826]

Depends on the degree

[@pearcekanyoka2453]

How. ACCORDING TO Google,South Africa is number 2 education in Africa, has the best universities in Africa 😢😢😢

[@jasoncosmos8210]

South Africa is number 1 (not number 2). The University of Cape Town is the number 1 BEST university in Africa and one of the best in the world.

[@sbongakonkesokhela9360]

You can have those skills from technical colleges but if the economy is not growing and companies are not booming to absorb those skills, then it becomes difficult for all.

[@Bhoigang1719]

​@@jasoncosmos8210Relax not one the best in the world but it's in the top 125😂😂

[@Leigh-y8q]

Skills mismatch is also caused by the fact that universities are mostly theory based and so a student graduates but still needs to be taught some practical skills and uncover the practical side of what they studied in varsity. Whilst the employer will mention their skills requirements, graduates will always fall short of this simply because they were never taught such skills to ensure that they're work ready when they graduate.

[@resphantom]

I've been living in the Netherlands for a few months, students start working as a intern since year 1 of studying to gain practical experience

[@Leigh-y8q]

@resphantom Listen to that now that's what I'm talking about!🙌👌

[@Mangamahle8]

But does it help to push people to have PhDs while they are not employable with their NQF level 7s and 8s?

[@margenindustrial1098]

But is it about employment?... i was hoping they will create new ideas and that translate into new employment...

[@Mangamahle8]

@@margenindustrial1098 Exactly that what they supposed to do, to create new ideas not to tell people to pursue PHDs. PHDs for what without working experience, because after those PHDs they will be still told that they are over qualified for whatever jobs.

[@lenko7199]

It's a problem to push ppl to phd cz then phd ppl are much different from hons candidates n sometimes you are told that you're overqualified?

[@MaxawulanaAndile]

I use to be a student at UKZN. This is precisely why i dropped out in my third year. I felt like am not learning anything. Am not gaining any skills. As a result i felt am doing nothing to increase my value. These guys are right these universities are being allowed to produce worthless degrees. This is going to be a big social problem having a large number of educated youth holding worthless papers. To make matters even worse some of them have pride hence they wont learn anything of value. Mmmm too many challenges in South Africa... a bloody revolution is inevitable.

[@RedJAM47]

I agree. Someone must intervene to prevent colleges and universities from producing irrevelant qualifications that are inconsistent with the economic development strategies

[@lenko7199]

Well i would say universities decrease intake of other not useful degrees, but still do take, e.g i wouldn't advice a complete erasure of history as a major etc, just take 5 students a year etc atleast cz every field is important, sometimes not just in demand at the moment

[@iamgherold2560]

If my degree is not working for me, there's no need for me to further my studies and Masters or Doctorate.

[@MukundisNote_Book]

you hav to, for instance lets use Bpsych as an example. after completing it for that four years you are not called a psychologist, you are just a registered counsellor and in order to be a qualified psychologist you need to have masters.

[@RedJAM47]

Same here. I have a diploma in Accounting and I'm not going to further if I can't even get a simple entry level position. I wont spend my money or get into student debt for nothing

[@siyabongapatrick2257]

It depends what you study in your PhD. A person doing a PhD in fuel cells, metal air batteries, lithium ion batteries are surely in demand in companies like Mintek and also in Universities. People also doing MSc/PhD in data science, physics etc are also in demand. When you do a PhD in SA, just look at the market demand and be sure what you put yourself in

[@NgolaNalane]

Louder for the people at the back

[@Izooo78]

Very true, Im in Climate Change

[@ontiretsephetlhu8784]

When it comes to conversations of this nature, the Humanities is always at the receiving end and yet most of our political leaders are themselves graduates of the Humanities. The issue here is not about the Humanities producing graduates with mismatched skills and expertise, instead there is lack of infrastructure in terms of recruiting graduates. Also, we need to get to a point where we encourage our graduates to become entrepreneurs as well - in that way we will be able to contribute towards economic growth. This unionist person speaking about the 4th IR - he himself does not have those skills why does he not up-skill himself too??

[@setso_za]

So true and yet there's wide spread unemplyment within the STEM sector.

[@givenbaloyi]

School children are looking for an easy way out, hence they end up studying courses which will not make them employable at the end. They don't want to study Maths because they believe its hard, they choose courses with emotions not with reality. the best courses to study and be employable is IT, HR, Finance, Supply chain and logistics, and mostly Management courses. every organisation require these skills, 90% of the courses at tertiaries are not demanded by the Job market.

[@andile5945]

Please give an example of some of the 90%

[@Dude-1689]

That's actually true. No one should teach you basic things like understanding the SA economy. Many students are clueless when it comes to linking their studies to real world situations. It's really no one's fault that they do not take the time to educate themselves how the SA business ecosystem is set up so they can choose correctly. Understand what problems exist and study something relevant. Some of them can't even tell you what they're passionate about, they just study and hope! It doesn't work like that.

[@Dude-1689]

They carry expensive iPhones to stay glued on TikTok uploading silly videos and wanna be influencers instead of taking the time to visit useful portals like the Statistics SA website and try to understand the system and learn what works and what doesn't. They just wna be superstars overnight with minimal effort. Even KZbin is highly resourceful if you're lazy to read books and newspapers. We're busy blaming government when we have scores of misaligned students who won't commit to finding ways to be resourceful. Once you're done studying, the spoon-feeding stops and the ball falls in your court. You now fall in place to help create opportunities and solve societal issues. We live in a third-world country, not the US where anything sells. You show your behind and get rich overnight. They think education is a ticket to wealth.

[@andile5945]

@@Dude-1689 i wouldnt blame the students. Govt needs to bring enterprise and high education together. If not kindly, an arranged marriage will be necessary. Control large variables first. The students will get in line.

[@Dude-1689]

​@@andile5945But no one should teach you ethic and initiative Bro. If you were fortunate to study and do it through NSFAS, I mean how much spoon-feeding is required when you have the key resources. Government will never get everything right so waiting for them to carry you all the way is a bad idea.

[@skyflower0075]

in most companies experience is warranted more than qualifications. so rather give ppl skills.

[@bushm8797]

You need qualifications for jobs(skills), you can’t live off a qualification. You need flour to make bread, you can’t eat flour, you live off bread. The problem is simple, we are focusing too much on making flour when we should be focusing on making bread from the flour.

[@MrIsmo786]

I grew up with quite a severe stutter, and still struggle with it. I had to attain my masters to get my first working opportunity. I think this is not emphasized enough either. Its 10x more difficult living with a disability in an already struggling landscape

[@annelitawhitlow7257]

I agree with the idea that we should encourage and train more young people in the field of Artisanships. The colleges and technical school should be geared towards the scarce skills.

[@karenj8406]

Some graduates are over qualified for the position they apply for. Also a graduate with a Phd and NO experience will find it challenging to find a job. Any graduate needs to build their career from the bottom to build experience as a stepping stone. There is a gap between the qualification and skills requirement in industry. The qualification will assist you to get an interview and your qualification + experience will assist you to get the job. Job requirements for a Masters degree will be for a Senior position which require experience as well.

[@Dude-1689]

They want to do the bare minimum and get massive results in one day.

[@thapelomakwatanyane4859]

Everytime we apply for jobs they want experience, something that our government and the companies in particular aren't willing to offer to the graduates in SA. There are internships and in-service training, these aren't regarded as experience inducing programs.

[@karenj8406]

@@thapelomakwatanyane4859 many graduates apply for "graduate in training" positions at companies. There is unfortunately a job scarcety in SA as a whole due to the current economic climate. Unfortunately so many people are without jobs

[@sifisonzama3199]

Companies are reluctant to hire a graduate without experience and one wonders where to get experience if they don't hire and groom you for critical positions

[@ndzimu-unamiemmanuelmoyo2028]

When it comes to PhDs, the issue is not that there is an oversupply. The issue is that African Governments aren't investing enough in Research & Development!

[@NgolaNalane]

THANK YOU FOR POINTING THIS OUT

[@SirTedE]

To relate a high level of graduates with employment growth in the near future is to be blunt stupid! SA needs the high graduate count now to help innovate and create for the future. We need to focus on more STEM subjects in our schools and universities not tell the nation we have too many well educated people in the land. I don't hear this kind of talk coming from other nations and so we should not discourage our younger generations to dumb down because of what businesses want! SA forever!

[@liso_lethu]

Louder for the people in the back !!!

[@NgolaNalane]

Thank you. It's usually the people without degrees saying that degrees are worthless

[@mandysteenkamp3421]

As a tvet undergraduate...i have always felt like a failure, with university students and peopl3 looking down on us, but thissssssss thissss just adds to it

[@NgolaNalane]

That's one of the biggest problems we have in our education sector

[@moley623]

I agree with everything that was said. The lack of collaboration between universities and the labour industry is part of the causes of unemployment among graduates because the theory and skills we are taught at varsity are not often the standard in the industry. The capitalist nature of universities to hoard students for profit and not considering the employment prospects and sufficient training, and industry stakeholders not offering skills training opportunities for graduates with no work experience also contributes the unemployment rates.

[@oratilerantao1036]

I hear them talking about Humanities, but can we take a moments to talk about how hard it has become for science graduates

[@NgolaNalane]

Yeah true. If you didn't do engineering or computer science your BSc is useless

[@entleza]

so true @@NgolaNalane

[@bathob3625]

Wanting students to push to PhD is absurd as if it's not depressive enough to job hunt with an honors degree. Most people in the tech space don't even have a degree but instead have online certificates. Doctors and nurses are unemployed does that mean that university are overproducing? Our economy is simply not growing. Most if not all fields of studies is saturated at the moment. Please this is such a triggering and upsetting conversation

[@beeyoutiful4086]

Producing graduates that do not match labor demands is true. Look at the fundza lushaka bursary scheme, there is a high number of teachers now and this bursary should be directed to other careers which are in demand in this country. But now because our government does not take education seriously, it does n't know how to manuever the education system in order and make it developmental to our country

[@anesumuchena]

This problem actually starts at the Basic Education level, there are so many problems there alone. If the roots of a tree are dead, the tree won't thrive

[@trishgutsa]

Her glasses are on point.Amen

[@GracefulYvonne]

There is a lack of access to information. The gap between higher institutions and the workplace is too much....

[@bongumusazondi8098]

We don't need more PHD holders, we rather support small business

[@NgolaNalane]

Shallow outlook

[@ThabisaPenze]

Why would the government allow some useless courses to be taught at universities, Management, Public relations, Human resources🙉waste of time and money

[@MissMBMB]

Travel and tourism

[@reagilerey4649]

Public Relations is a need in any organization. Relations with key publics are what keep organizations alive. Without strategic communication, an organization simply won't thrive.

[@Demawi650]

If you look at health, why are there not more middle level health workers being produced to fill in the screening of hearing and vision of newborn babies and school children???? There are not enough audiologists and optometrists in the country, and screening can be done by one e as long as they are trained, but tvet colleges don't do such trainings.

[@sizwemsilora9553]

If you haven't started with an MBA... Save your money...

[@marwanmahdi647]

plz explain why?

[@Mbaaaalss]

Co ask

[@marykironde]

Really?😮 Please elaborate

[@RedJAM47]

Thank you

[@andile5945]

Jesu! The Growing pains. Blade Nzimande gets on here and touts TVETs. The next day this dhet lady touts PhD's. The message is 'differentiation' yet its not well articulated to be honest. Certainly, the growing pains of a young nation are on full display.

[@davidsindana282]

I concur with technical skills and although currently personally I am studying theology with the aim of coupling it with an MBA in order to serve both the church and community better so I don't think I will search for employment as I want to be a knowledgepreneur. But finally I have and always encouraging young people in my circle to consider studying artisan skills like electrician's and also coupling them with business management in order to become entrepreneurs

[@timothymaphosa199]

So true, Tvet college are underrated

[@HelenOzark]

South African schools don't prepare students for Uni. Ask Grade 10 - 12 students if they know what "Harvard Referencing" is, then see...

[@edb3277]

Seems like you know the problem, now let's act on creating a solution. Reach out to your friends, family, colleagues, neighbours, the wider public etc see if they feel the same way. Reach out to the education board, I know it's not going to be easy so assume that. be persistent, help them to see the problem and the solution you are happy to share with them. This is for our younger citizens future. If we can learn from our life's journey and change that journeys path for our children then we have fulfilled our purpose for this life. All you need is courage❤ ❤ ❤❤

[@maadtee6281]

They taught it at my university because in schools we only used pen and paper

[@nothingbutthetruth1952]

There are rare skills in need in South Africa: Artisans. No phd's needed. Matriculants should be encouraged to go to TVET Colleges. Amen

[@Breadbuzy]

lol there’s no such thing as rare skills in the country. It’s made up to shield the government from failure to grow the economy

[@siyandachonco]

Such short sightedness. Social sciences and humanities is the future.

[@liferesetwithboni]

😂😂😂😂

[@shaun2474]

brother, use the internet wisely, and don't be biased because you're in those fields, we're in the 4th industrial revolution

[@ethanrogers7457]

Yoh😂 self soothing 101

[@GHras98]

😂​@@liferesetwithboni

[@khathurandela737]

🤣🤣🤣

[@sifisonzama3199]

If you hate doing research don't waste time doing a phd because you will be bored, it is meant for those passionate about research. For me i was lucky bcos i started at an entry level position and grew into understanding the applicable skill sets.. after that i pursued honours, masters ....then now hope do a phd since i have passion for research.....just my advice to aspirant bsc students...just try fibding an entry level position and grow from it...all will be well

[@vezivezi6132]

This lady is crazy and obsessed about doctorates qualifications....how is that going to create job ,is talking theory like politicians 😢😢😢

[@Dollykgakishe]

I will be forming a part of the statistics of doctoral students produced and i could not be more afraid about entering the labour market. You get to university and enrol for a qualification that will take you, graduate, hear about the unemployment rate so you study further to doctoral level in hopes of standing a better chance of employment. And then unfortunately you are faced with the same unemployment scares. It is very discouraging

[@andolinesibanda6664]

I think it starts with the field of study you go to. You might get a PHD but if your field of study doesnt address the scarce skills then it becomes a challenge. Having a higher qualification doesnt compensate for the degree not addressing the skills shortage we have in the country.

[@NgolaNalane]

It depends on your field of study. As a fellow graduate I know if I were to do my PhD in Computer science I wouldn't even want to work in SA as I could easily walk into a large company in Europe or the US.

[@Dr_Theodore_Orlando_Duxbury]

I am so happy that this discussion is happening

[@bathob3625]

Also the economy is not growing at the rate at which it should be growing. Most if not all fields of studies is saturated at the moment.

[@thapelomakwatanyane4859]

😂I did molecular biology major in biotechnology and biochemistry. I have enough knowledge to produce vaccines. Boom covid hit and we as South Afrcans we couldnt even produce 1 vaccine. Who should we blame?

[@tendanikhangadela167]

😂😂atleast you felt what I felt during covid

[@Codename_deephousejunkie]

Same qualification, except I think it's not the one hey... Go for bioengineering or biomedical sciences.. BSc is a waste if you don't have plans to continue to research

[@thapelomakwatanyane4859]

@@Codename_deephousejunkie then after research what do you do?😂

[@metalcake2288]

​@@thapelomakwatanyane4859 After and during research you should already have enough knowledge to unlock new industries, solve niche problems and create new products

[@tebstech3507]

We have a lack of technical skills. Cyber-security, data science, AI engineers

[@batlhalifijulius4167]

But these are not technical skills

[@NgolaNalane]

​@@batlhalifijulius4167 just say you don't know anything. Those are technical skills

[@MissMBMB]

@@batlhalifijulius4167go do your research

[@afroisme5750]

...please give me a break..!!...don't tell us about skills mismatch...ln 2004, l presented a report about this skills mismatch when President Mbeki and Kader Asmal raised this issue...Veli; don't be a lazy researcher with this kind of shallow argument. Last week Doctors held protest marches; is that a skills mismatch...Veli; don't recycle a lazy argument...

[@affiliatesssw6940]

Thank you for raising this, because the two guys were telling lies, what a shame!!!

[@GangsterNerd1]

This panel is lost

[@affiliatesssw6940]

Especially the labour specialist and the student Union guy@@GangsterNerd1

[@skyflower0075]

But why would i get a Masters or Ph.D. etc when one cant get a proper job with a Honours degree to allow me to even study further also the information about bursaries is not readily available as u would expect.

[@NgolaNalane]

Depends on the field

[@KevinLub-d1m]

All tertiary qualifications are important. They all have a lot to offer in this country. The problem is when we are governed by the corrupts and now this union guy comes in speaks about his kindergarten class views. All technical, law, humanities, politics, education, medical qualifications have a role to play. But our government does nothing every year on graduates. What does this union guy is really saying? He also doesn’t have the qualifications matching his portfolio of position.

[@riaanvanwyk5374]

As per usual the government is missing the mark - quota systems will bear no fruit. Trying to push X amount of post graduates into the market helps nothing if their skillset doesn't meet the demands of industry.

[@khathurandela737]

Bo Ndlozi did PHD in how his father and the friends ran gangs in the Vaal and somehow this person is supposed to contribute to society with this knowledge.

[@manusbothma158]

This is the direct result of having an ANC government. Garbage government garbage results.

[@jam-fam]

bitter apartheid dreamer

[@themenaceclub6952]

it's not entirely the government's fault but that doesn't mean they're not part of the problem though.

[@thando_tlng]

Yes sir dat is waar!!!

[@davidsindana282]

Let's remember some of the country's problem stems from its past of colonialism and apartheid which has put most blacks and the back line but of course the current government has not done us favour as most of the time it has failed in many ways. Here I mean our problems have a socio _historical course but also some are self inflicted like for example the failures of the current government. I would encourage white South Africans to understand the plight of black South Africans because the better know their history or where the problems stems from socio_ historically.

[@jam-fam]

they like to pretend like that doesn't exist these ones@@davidsindana282

[@randomworldarchives]

when graduates leave the country for better opportunities abroad y'all complain that the country is going through BRAIN DRAIN ,when they stay no opportunities are available to them and they saturate the market .What a weird phenomena this is.

[@dennismabiletsa8390]

There is also a shortage of hospitals, the nurse to patient ratio is unbalanced 1:238 the ripple effect is quite wide spread, all this would need funding

[@dennistshimangadzo4365]

Take your NCV curriculum to secondary schools if you are serious to give students skills...

[@thobi6639]

So what do we, the unemployed youth, do now?

[@rajeshkumardeepnarain2931]

The young people should not be choosy when it comes to jobs.Even jobs such as a gardener,maid,retail jobs,call centre jobs should be taken,even casual jobs.People should have a plan what type of job they want to do in the future and work towards achieving their ultimate goals.Remember Rome was not built in a day. Study courses that have a demand in the economy.

[@maadtee6281]

Even jobs with demand like Tech, accounting, medicine... it is still hard to get a job even when you are not choosy

[@novelakengwilingwili4080]

The country and economists including media workers should stop talking about universities and today so many doctorates by what year. Please people should we not be asking ourselves about why should we be having one TVET college per town per city. Training people there to have practical skills. Have a willing government to assist them To be guided and funded to have their own companies. The SETAS if they were allowed to do what they were intended to do would have been an area where money to do this support and guidance could be done. If you continue to talk about this doctorate this and that. We are still centuries from getting our country right. You give the example of India and Germany those being countries that long looked at practical skills. Even here in our country no white graduate complains of unemployment the reason being they have no shortage of people who give them internship opportunities. The answer is one TVET Colleges to be built. Just now if you need a professional black plumber, welder, builder you have to look for a Zimbabwean. The reason is that the government there took deliberate steps to ensure that not only academic strength is built but took steps on practical skills. Where have you heard that one qualifies for a course only theoretically and have to go round knocking on business that is sometimes not prepared to assist.

[@decentjmkhombo2976]

Beautiful discussion

[@nomvularamballey1754]

Shame this lady from DoE is just lost…

[@thembinkosisithole2053]

what was the initial purpose for Education Vele?, Aren't we supposed to study in order to find solutions for problems?

[@collenlindo6512]

Oh solutions we can find 👀 but who will implement them 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@MpiloMpilenhle]

It’s true but we need to get rid of all those who uneducated from powers. Economy and Government is poorly structured in our country and also we need young people not stubborn old pensioners

[@economicfreedomfighterspol3341]

The other lady is reading and she is answering to wrong question.

[@arokamurombe3063]

She's clearly lost

[@thando_tlng]

😭😭

[@kevindlamini9826]

I feel that the stats aren't being interpreted and interrogated correctly There's too much focus on high level stats and very little focus on stats that provide actionable insights

[@bukhosiemakawa3141]

With all points on all angles mentioned, any solutions though , what is the ideal plan for the way out ?

[@edb3277]

The ideal plan for a way out is to not assume that there is a job out there waiting for you but instead augment your skills with other needed skills. Think what are the problems that need solving in this country, how can you resolve that problem? Your PhD or other degree is just the start, the problem of a country changes every day and technology advances every 14 days. We all know there is a lot to do to get us in aposition where our children can have a choice it's our job to build and pave the way to get us to that point and yes make a little money along the way. Think what can I do for my country not what my country can do for me. All the best.

[@thapelomalatsi1880]

The lady speaker, you are speaking as if you not currently in the country and you deny to face the reality of things. Is a fact the job demand is low and the supply (graduates) is higher. You saying we don’t produce enough graduates as a country is not practical and you can’t compare ourselves with Germany and India, those countries have systems in place to take of their graduates. You and your departments chasing those targets you adding up on the problem we having at the moment

[@makhwelemashale6522]

INSTITUTIONS are aware of high demand occupations. but remember institutions have their own agenda their aim is to make money, they do not care whether the graduate is going to be absorbed into the economy or not. Nsfas do know about scarce skills as well but nothing is done. The power now is in the hands of our students to be well equipped with the information to be smart enough to never enroll for qualifications that are not going to give them employment after graduation.

[@khalalelorathebe604]

South African institutions should do more practicals than theory because at the end of the day , it is all about experience. The problem with South Africa is that they focus more sending doctors in other countries while we need doctors ourselves. Instead , they can send PhDs to other countries to study then bring the skills back home since other countries have advanced education system...Another thing is that how can Universities hire professors who are not familiar of what they are lecturing , if professors do not know the field they are in , then where are we going as a country ?...

[@phenyomatseke557]

The JSE doesn't have the absorption potential regardless of skills due to numbers. Too many job seekers, too little job creators. Historical factors increase the chances of the current situation, as entrepreneurship requires risk appetite.

[@_MizzKea]

So in a nutshell we should all pursue education in ICT as a country…it’s tough given what is being produced at secondary level. Also until when will we have this demand given our slow economy?

[@maadtee6281]

Nope don't it is hard

[@Lindani_Mvano]

Expect a bureaucrat to throw numbers and grand plans at the situation. Completely missing the point that the plan its self if achieved would solve a non-problem.

[@thatomaluleka6562]

mbeki as president could've solved this issue, he was an economist we need more students in tvet than university, more artisans than engineers, more builders than planners, but the funding strategy of the government towards tvet is not attractive to students

[@vuyoninja11_ninja35]

Expecting experience but no opportunities. Some experience demands are ridiculous.

[@festival4101]

if the economy is not growing it doesn't matter what qualifications you have, the economy must grow to create jobs. the capitalist system only create jobs for the few

[@leratomakwela1077]

exactly. this thing of having a one sided conversation and further pushing people into depression because of a system that's doing exactly what its meant to do makes me so sad man. it's not fair.

[@bonginkositshabalala276]

If South Africa was fully developed,it would make sense but saying we have more competence than can be used while there's this much need to improve this country is crazy. I feel like I live in a parallel world.

[@tremblé007]

Produce 100 Doctoral graduates to what end? Tick a box?

[@SirTedE]

Spoken like a true imbecilic champion!

[@fabianpetersen2452]

Its also the quality of degrees that was diluted by the current government to make more pass,..i know this first hand as a moderator and in the private sector mentoring young ones, i sometimes wondered how tf did this person pass 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JamieleeSelamodi]

Exactly some can't even spell but they're doing masters

[@Umlazi_Broadcast]

Lets learn about our Natural Resources and we will be fine as a country not this thing we are doing wasting money but the owners of our economy don't want that.

[@adrianjones7197]

a lot of opportunities are missed because graduates hold fast for the top jobs instead of considering entry-level positions -get your foot in the door first any way you can, humble yourself get to know the managers, once in they will recognize your abilities and promote you or you might be exposed to more companies that will be willing to give you a shot because they know you- trouble is very few want to do that as egos are in the way- do whatever comes your way and work from that point- I realize the income is the goal, but make experience and exposure the first goal and be willing to be patient- instead of just assuming you will be hired for what you qualified for - my 2 cents

[@Fifs_sa]

I can’t believe I find myself right in the middle of this crises. It’s frustrating.

[@sifisonzama3199]

I wonder who said varsity graduates are only taught theory.... i did biochemistry and genetics at ukzn....we did both theory and intensive laboratory work which prepared me very well for my career as a lab professional and i am grateful

[@sifisosithole7656]

Universities need to liaise with general society in so far as teaching and grooming relevant graduates. Government and private sector need to work together. Furthermore, not all need university education but some are more suitable for skills education in vocational training institutions.

[@tsundzukanimhlongo9866]

Thing is, we are led by old people who have no idea of the new ways of life especially tech adaptation

[@kgoeletsomashimphahlele7832]

We are basically an outdated country. And we would definitely need a major update, but how much effort are we willing to put to get back on running terms?

[@khayelihlemngoma2393]

We need trade schools.

[@affiliatesssw6940]

The economy of this country has not increased for a number of years now due to structural and infrastructure problems and this labour experts is not addressing most of the problem which is an embarrassment...!!!

[@MaletjeM]

Let us start by unpacking this thing called "skills mismatch".... what do we need for our economy to grow? we have jobless growth in SA and what other metrics can we use to practically make sense of our economy, the real one!!!! I also "think" a focus on the university curriculum as a response is a bit late for an intervention. Would it be useful to speak the employment sector to get their opinions on this- this is complex!!! post covid our govt said there is no shortage of work- so we have to open those channels where this work sits, for this work to be formalized so people can "employed"!!!!

[@lenko7199]

Isn't it important to specify the fields of phd that need the numbers of graduates because some fields may be saturated?

[@Codename_deephousejunkie]

Simple... Bring back our land and jobs will create themselves. We giving our jobs to colonialist countries like America who purify our gold and minerals to make products. Theres a whole gap in the value chain we are not a part of. We just dig minerals, then car parts are brought back and we just assemble. What about the purification steps of the minerals, the engineering part of it, the creative product development side

[@GangsterNerd1]

We need to be honest about this panel.

[@frikkieramabolo172]

And then there are people who want to vote EFF which will just worsen the situation.

[@tarzanthembani5186]

What should we vote for

[@sibonelombatha5604]

@@tarzanthembani5186 Ke domkop this @afrikier person.

[@felixmakasi148]

​@@sibonelombatha5604 You and that clown, @frikkieramabolo172, are the ones who are doomkops!

[@judyatoro9387]

​@@sibonelombatha5604its true it will worsen the situation

[@SisLinaM]

how will it worsen things? Already graduates are unemployed so how is that EFF’s problem? Face the elephant in the room- ANC government

[@RedJAM47]

Even doctors are not finding jobs?

[@kgaritlake659]

There no funding for postgraduate so how will you produce that number ? Also when you have postgraduate sometimes is difficult to get job because of overskilled

[@thando_tlng]

Kuzolunga. Guys . News is scripted

[@mfezekomakha7281]

Export graduates then. Other african countries would use these skills

[@NgolaNalane]

Like slaves?

[@nhlahlamikemabasa8051]

There is little to no qualification that does not influence the public and private organization/companies, we just have corrupt systems running and there is no investigation, auditing and policies that protect the job opportunities for the people.

[@omphemetsesekhaulelo4261]

I agree with this. The government invests a lot in education ( both basic and higher education) but the Return on Investment is negative. The government does not properly prepare students with entering the job market. The government should properly invest in education by driving students to enroll more for qualifications that are on demand, i.e. STEM subjects, IT, Finance, Business.

[@edb3277]

Agree but let's not rely to much on the government, they are there for the infrastructure. The people are there to build and progress the country, it's why we need to have more graduates in STEMS and arts. If we seek change we first need to look within ourselves. We are here to lead, not to be led.

[@randomvideos-qz1fl]

There's many students that graduate on STEM degrees, but bcz There's no job opportunities for them they end up going to teaching (creating another employment for Education graduates). Commerce and business has one of the highest graduate numbers in the country. There is just no jobs for any degree at this point

[@mtura__amagwijo8361]

This lady came here with script of what she was going to say regardless of what the question is….. ja nhe this is what the University produces, she was just not following what was being asked 😏.

[@glennborrageiro6257]

Yebo study political science humanities social studies women studies see if that gets you a job.

[@compton8301]

Yebo!

[@metalcake2288]

Government workers are studying political science, getting NQF8 to get director level positions in an IT department.

[@Bongi_Grace]

Humanities is such a broad faculty so be specific. There are so many humanities degrees that are in demand.

[@compton8301]

@@metalcake2288 IT director with no science postgrad qualification? Cap.

[@compton8301]

@@Bongi_Grace Let's not lie to children.

[@RoyRamphal-un8sq]

What is the role of the professional bodies in this process

[@loutjiegeldenhuys9496]

How do they pay

[@jabulanindhove997]

People must be careful what they study at Tertiary level I hold a Diploma in Accounting I have never been unemployed for a long time Accounting has a lot of opportunities the youth must study courses like Accounting, Engineering, Actuarial science these courses are in demand in South Africa, South African unemployment it must be specific about which courses lead to unemployment the harder the course the easy to get the job, the easier the course the harder to find employment

[@cloudstrife8791]

Before BEE, qoutas and 30% education, people use to train young students every year many kids/young adults had openings now its purely based on a new conpany that needs to fill positions. IT jobs have graduate positions that state 2-3yrs requirement. Government has talks about removing requirement in reality that changes nothing companies will wait till they find the person who is not probably just far older than a graduate but has experience aswell

[@thisisntokozo]

I'm also studying IT, what's the solution?

[@kel571]

@@thisisntokozoI’m also studying IT in Cybersecurity,the best thing you can do is to get certifications get certified because everyone has a degree in IT lately,companies would hire a person with certifications and over look the ones who just have degrees

[@thabangcalvinchule8944]

IT companies only require skills, you can be employed without any degree. Majority of the people who did IT in SA don't have any skills they can't even code a simple snake game 😂😂

[@NgolaNalane]

​@@thabangcalvinchule8944 that's an extremely incorrect analysis. Not all devs are in the gaming sector. I have a degree and majored in software engineering and can't make any games because it was never an interest. However I do work for one of the largest banks in the country where I work on financial systems that is literally used by millions of SAns.

[@randomvideos-qz1fl]

Before nsfas there was a skills shortage, we know that. Nsfas bursary scheme closed that gap and niw we graduates for every field in the country, there is no skills mismatch there is just no jobs. By 2030 a honors & even some Masters programs will not mean anything in this country. The pace of graduates doesnt meet the country's rate of economic growth thats it. It will just be harder to get into NQF 9 & 10 in the future bcz of this and more ppl will be unemployed and the job market is gonna take advantage of that.