Why aren't younger generations buying motorcycles?

[@SeattleForge]

I'm 54 years old and apparently the average age of a rider in the US. Biking is so much more expensive than it used to be. It's not just the bike, it's all the gear you're expected to have now. My last helmet alone cost more than my first bike.

[@youngeroldie5089]

I Can believe that my first bike was £225 and yes the same price as a medium range helmet. Thanks for sharing ride safe.

[@nealeburgess6756]

Biking doesn't have to be expensive. I have just got home from a fabulous holiday in Morocco on my 36 year old BMW K75. Owned and used it extensively for the last 16 years. I bought it after it had been neglected in a garage for 7 years for 150€. There are plenty of good bikes available for less than 2,000 pounds. You just need to think outside of the box.

[@letmeoffthisplanet6208]

Yer right there mind,my first bike back in the 80's was a honda cg125,£80 i paid for that.. My new lid was over £400.

[@youngeroldie5089]

@@nealeburgess6756 Hi, yes there are some bargains about. Biking in Morocco sounds like a good adventure Thanks for sharing ride safe

[@JFS65]

Respectfully disagree that the phenomenon is primarily cost-related. Royal Enfield, CF Moto and now Triumph with its new lineup of 400cc bikes are offering excellent inexpensive options for beginners and experienced riders alike. And riding gear has never been better or cheaper. In my opinion the main reason is the “danger stigma”(which is real), particularly with the rise of highly risk-averse generations starting with millennial’s (I know that won’t be popular). In some ways, this is reinforced by the stats; a precipitous YoY increase in motorcycle deaths here in the US (despite the reality that the increase is due to a combo of impaired riding and rider error). Better rider education, more PSAs protecting motorcyclists, continued manufacturing of economical bikes combined with REQUIRED motorcycle education and adoption of the UK Model stepped licensing mandate would help to increase ridership in the long-run.

[@essexboydave]

Lack of interest from the younger generation plus the age restriction on licensing and the outstandingly high cost of it all

[@chrishart8548]

The licence doesn't even upgrade over time it always requires a test . A1 A2 A most people don't even know whether to wait or what test to do.

[@oldasfolk-km1ov]

in the UK...

[@chrishart8548]

@@oldasfolk-km1ov well the lovely Saffy is in the UK after all.

[@oldasfolk-km1ov]

@@chrishart8548 really? I thought the kentucky accent put her in Australia! :)

[@danielduke5059]

I agree they have almost outlawed young riders, it's a shame although you can still get on 2 wheels but on a 125 with L plates it's better than no bike in my opinion but unfortunately I think it is down to cost more than anything, whether it be just getting your licence in the first or even purchasing a half decent and for some emission compliant which has made it very expensive and hard to find a bike you want at the right price, the big on is choice if they want a car which again costs a fortune now if you want something 10 years old used plus insurance which is eye watering for young drivers, young people want newer fashionable cars and bikes nowadays, when I started at 16 I paid 125 for a mbx 125 which for whatever reason was registered as a 50cc, my Dad got me an AR 125 for my 17th birthday and that blew up after 3 months 😂 and I ended up getting myself a SR125 which was indestructible! My Dad cot me a 1973 beetle whe I was 14/15 years old and we worked on it for years so it was sort of road worthy the insurance for that was £1500 for the year back then 22 years ago! There are some younger people out there that are willing to get an cheaper older bike and car do some work kn it themselves to get it on the road but most now aren't interested in the work they just want a plug in and play ready to go vehicle so it will definitely make it harder for them if they want it they can get it, the licence Is the only bit they can't work around which is a shame as I had to wait until 21 before I could do my full test I think I could have done a restricted licence that not sure if correct on not once I hit 21 would become a full licence or I'd have to take another test? I know now it is much harder higher age and you have the mod 1 and 2 to do so yeah I reckon that's the big issue! Unfortunately they don't make much money from bikers so they just make it harder to get a licence

[@717rocket]

I've been riding something with 2 wheels and a motor since 1972. Most my family think motorcycles are dangerous, I just can't give them up. It just gives me a huge sense of freedom.

[@Kornholeeoo]

Same here. Started riding in 1972.

[@Robert-xs2mv]

Give up what, the bike or the family? Everything we do has an aspect of danger, even getting out of bed is dangerous

[@kurfsolb]

Once you fall for motorbikes, you can't just turn it off. Anybody who's passionate about riding a bike says that.

[@marksaunderson3042]

I have owned 2 cars in my life. Note: have, not do. I have owned 5 motorcycles in my life, and still have 2 of them. My job qualifies for a company car. No thanks, I’ll pass on that.

[@ios_lu]

In London I see a lot of young folks riding illegal electric bikes, with throttle, going above the max allowed speed (15mph) and certainly with engine above the legal limit. They are usually riding on pavement, crossing red lights, with nothing but reckless behaviour. These illegal conversion kits can be bought on Amazon very cheap, they don't have to pay insurance, license, fines, tax, anything, and there seems to not be punished by authorities. Same for e-scooters. Whereas motorcycle access is expensive, complex, over-regulated, demands liability, and overall it's not appealing anymore.

[@BeanieBiker_AutisticRider]

Same over here in Jersey 🇯🇪 the police have cracked down on them now, they now confiscate and crush them 😁👍

[@myelomabiker9637]

They ride electric push bikes , just as fast as mopeds but no insurance , gear and no number plate to tie them to an address

[@kevindarkstar]

True 50cc is dying in the sale figures massive drop in the figures

[@chrishart8548]

​50cc bikes were teterrible that year was hell. All the cars overtaking all the time was so dangerous I don't know why I bothered

[@davidrochow9382]

No testing either.

[@lucywucyyy]

and?

[@sacredgeometry]

For now. Also it doesnt hurt any less if you fall off an electric bike. You can still die or permanently damage your body. Gear up.

[@lawterian]

It’s not that there isn’t interest, or that there’s a lack of safety, it’s the insurance. I’m 24 starting to get into it and I’m being quoted £3000 for a new 125 in London. They’re worried about the bike theft here so instead they steal from us directly.

[@ernststeiner6097]

43 year old German here. I Drive Motorcycles since 1997. I payed 850 Deutschmark/Year vor my First 125cc Bike. Drive a Suzi Bandit 1200 (1998) right now. Tax/Year 85€, Insurence/Year 300€ Bmw 740i e38 (1996) Tax/Year 285€ , Insurence/Year 930€.....

[@gcanaday1]

I am in the US. My insurance on a 2002 Kawasaki is $75/year. You are all being gouged.

[@lawterian]

@@gcanaday1 Indeed we are

[@doghous3]

Insurance is crazy. I live in Brighton - soon to move - and picked a small town to test quotes and the insurance was halved! Bike thefts are crazy common.

[@lucywucyyy]

try not living in london id rather die than go back there

[@helmutsimon8788]

Younger generations aren’t buying ANYTHING anymore! No motorcycles, no cars, no houses, no HiFi equipment, no books, no flowers etc). Partly because they were told, mostly by gigantic US tech firms, that “sharing econony” is the new god… Good night and good luck, Gen-Z.

[@jamesbazel3384]

No drive or ambition , most of the guys I work with that are in their 20s still live at home with mom and dad.

[@lucywucyyy]

in case you havnt noticed grampas we are poor as fuck were never going to even be able to own where we live

[@steve00alt70]

​@@jamesbazel3384 there are many factors other than money why they are living with parents

[@robertdrinkall8947]

Indeed, some of course can't afford things, maybe no job, no hope. Many young people are content with Just a smartphone for entertainment. Times have changed over the years.🤔

[@juliandestroyer8308]

Not all of us, I don’t live with my parents and bought my 1999 gxsr 750 that I have fixed for years now since I was 19. I get the point cause honestly I see how other people my age have no essence and yea the stupid entitlement people but there are some of us who are cool too even though very rare and few to come by.

[@TRISTRAMY]

Getting a license is so expensive and time consuming. Not to mention insurance. The way the world’s gone having a bike is a luxury many young people can’t afford.

[@steve00alt70]

even if young people won the lottery they would'nt buy a motorcycle it would not even register in their mind.

[@oldasfolk-km1ov]

not everywhere...

[@joshuamorin2762]

Not here in the USA. I insure my motorcycle with full coverage for $250 per year. The issue I see is pricing of motorcycles. Early 2000s I could buy a brand new bike for 5-7,000. Now most 600+ cc motorcycles are tens of thousands of dollars. A 2024 zx6r starts just under $12,000. NON ABS model!(In the USA) Back in 2005 the same bike was just over $8,000. You could get a nice low milage used bike for 2-5,000 no problem. Now 5k will get you an old, high mileage bike that doesn't have much life left in it. Or one that was wrecked and patchworked back together.

[@TheLiamis]

People also don't like anything that's not cotton wool these days. You need to be a bit outdoorsy and ruged to ride in brittain especially where it rains d 95% of the year. People today cry if their microcosmoteenyfrapuchino is 1⁰ too warm or cold.

[@TRISTRAMY]

@@steve00alt70 possibly correct, the other thing i forgot was the level of crime in cities where it makes sense to have a bike, any bike not locked in a garage is now almost 100% getting nicked.

[@neilgill2269]

Patrickdoak, hit the nail on the head, I was born in 1949,been riding since I was 16, wife died, daughters left home, dog died, rode solos,trikes,side cars, when I Jump on a Motorcycle, I'm a teenager again! I rode sidecars as a Kid, The record for carrying folks,was 5, A friend of mine had an solid wooden door,bolted to his outfit, He could pick up Brocken down bikes, and carry more people, Any body remember the BSA. M21 side valve!! Just bought a HD road king, with big, fuck off,sidecar attached, I love ❤️ it, I lost mates on bikes, shit happens, One good appo, survived two awful bike crashes, and died in a car crash,I realise i lived as a teenager,through different times, No helmet law! Demin & baseball boots, wellington boots, with fishermans socks rolled over the top! The arrogance of youth! But I won't stop riding,till you prise the bars,from my cold dead hands! I've heard that before, P. S. The government heard motorcycles are fun, soo they'll bust their bollox, to stop it! P.P.S I notice a growing band of women on bikes, what man wouldn't!! You can't beat a woman in leathers, sorry folks getting carried away,again, I'll stop now.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

In all fairness, if motorcycles were merely 'fun' vehicles then the government would encourage it because people doing lots of something they love will get them more tax revenue! The last thing any government would do is outlaw something simply because people enjoy it, come on, get real. Motorcycling is DANGEROUS AS FUCK, and that's putting it politely. Being a "safe" motorcycle rider ultimately just boils down to dumb blind luck. -A little rut in the highway. You don't see it until your front wheel follows it and you dump it. -A bit of gravel on the road. Down you go. -Checking your mirrors and looking over your shoulder before changing lanes! You're *supposed* to do it! You just took your eyes off the road and it takes a little time to re-acquire your mental perception of the traffic situation. For that time, you're riding blind. -Natural oscillation of the steering head at certain speeds. Death Wobble. Enjoy the cool, refreshing flavor of pavement. No matter how skilled you are at riding, many of the factors that make motorbikes mind-bendingly dangerous are completely, utterly out of your control.

[@Normanskie]

One major factor is in 2021, 21.7% (5.4 million) of households were in a flat, maisonette or apartment, up from 21.0% (4.9 million) in 2011. So over the years there have been more apartments where you cannot move UNLESS you have access to a garage or secure lock-up.

[@robertdrinkall8947]

Too expensive now, not just the bikes, but all the gear & insurance. 😞

[@SaffySprocket]

😭 just not the same anymore

[@dallasdandigitalproduction393]

It's not. You just don't want to buy anything used

[@Robert-xs2mv]

@@dallasdandigitalproduction393used insurance, such as novel idea.

[@dallasdandigitalproduction393]

@@Robert-xs2mv I was referring to bikes, helmets, jackets ,boots. This is a LOT less expensive than purchasing a car. Even insurance can be less expensive depending on your bike, age and other factors. The point was that price shouldn't be a deterrent to riding.

[@Robert-xs2mv]

@@dallasdandigitalproduction393 ditch the used helmet, never ever. I still have all my old boots, not sure anyone would want to buy them. Might just donate them to the salvos.

[@thepodbaydoorshal]

The cost of getting a license and then a bike is prohibitively expensive for young people.

[@midlife-crysis]

And insurance is extremely high now

[@qtronicqilt8898]

You can start slow, break the license down in little steps, it will take time but you can do it. Go through the motions as you pass each step at a time and see every step as a milestone, stick with it! QQ.

[@animal79thecat]

How come they are all driving BMWs Mercs and Audis then? Cos thats all I see

[@thepodbaydoorshal]

@@qtronicqilt8898 have had mine for a few years now and acquired it over the course of a few months but either way it’s really expensive for something that is a passion / luxury rather than a need.

[@steve00alt70]

its never been about money they are just too whimpy and scared

[@bearwolffish]

We are putting so much friction between someone's desire and their ability to actually explore a motorbike. Between the legal and financial red tape required to own and insure one, very restrictive laws and speed limits, coupled with no where to legally explore the arts of wheelies or get lost in the mud. If you don't have a link with private land, or a house in a nice area with a garage attached, you need to be grown with a good job to even think about it. Kind of feels like long range personal transport is being phased out, new generations will be sold on scrapping that freedom to save the planet, while sea stay filled with tankers transporting the plastics for that ebike they can only purchase through subscription.

[@davidkeeton6716]

My God, you people are brainwashed. First, go get a job and work at least 40 hours a week. Start paying your own way. Work hard, learn, don't make mistakes, own the mistakes you do make. Always strive to never make a mistake. Do the very best you can at everything. You can afford a used motorcycle to start. Us oldsters did. Teach yourself to maintain it. We did. You have the benefit of the internet to show you and to find parts. WE DIDN'T. Quit crying and grow up and get on with it.

[@lch337]

My nephew started riding a bike in his mid 20's, mainly because his dad (my brother) used to ride in his early 20's and good ole Uncle Lee has been riding for 40+ years. But he never quite found the bike he was looking for. He had this image of riding on empty roads into the sunset on a hog. The journey started well, he got his CBT, bought a little chinese bike (which I suggested he steer clear of), which promptly fell to pieces. So he bought a Yamaha MT 125, which he dropped (short legs), then a Yamaha SR 125 (too slow) then gave up & bought a car as it was cheaper. He had a dream but like a lot of people, he was too impatient & wasn't really prepared to put in the work to realise his dream, especially when he could take his car test for a lot less & jump into a nice shiny Mini to sit in traffic jams on his way to work.

[@phased3941]

Wow the comparison to me literally right now is interesting. I did my driving test passed, and got a mini too. Then a month later decided to I wanted to get a motorbike after having a bit of a background with Ebikes. I got a shit 125 brand. The bike currently needs to be repaired, and my mot for the car comes up next month with it having some issues that also need sorting, so there's a few barriers for sure for biking That being said for me, riding has been some of the best days of my life, cars are fun, but bikes are just on another level, so even if I have to leave it for a few months, I'll definitly be getting that full liscence and a bigger bike when I can 🙏

[@LeeKirkman88]

Because they all use electric scooters. Its become too expensive to tax and insure etc..insurance is extortionate for young people. You buy a cheap first bike and the insurance is more than the bikes worth.

[@kimriley2491]

Excellent!

[@user-gm4kv2my4u]

that and you can bring your e scooter into your apartment. Sadly bikes are ez pz theft targets if you can't keep it in a garage.

[@alexandrecerqueira3023]

Hello. I am Brazilian and a motorcyclist. I watched a KZbin video (unfortunately without English subtitles) very similar to yours, where the KZbinr presented arguments about the current lack of interest among young people not only in motorcycles but in vehicles in general. I'm not young and grew up in a time when young people from my social class had and loved vehicles. It was a common topic of conversation in bars and gatherings, where we discussed engines, accessories, driving, and exchanged experiences. However, I noticed that today's young people do not seem as interested, and I don't think it's because they inherently lack interest. The fundamental argument for this loss of interest is the overall rise in costs, from obtaining a driving licence to the prices of cars and motorcycles, as well as maintenance. There has been a loss of purchasing power in the social class I belong to, and today's prices are so high in comparison that the average young person loses interest. I found it great that you touched on this point, because this makes me very worried about the future.

[@MyFaithShines]

well, i was born in the 90s - am i still younger generation?😅 additionally im from europe and not the US Why aren't we buying motorcycles? - no money for license - no money for motorbike - no money for garage - no money for repairing it in the workshop and no garage for repairing it myself - expensive petrol, checks, repairs and stuff - riding it is not so easy (clutch and complicated operating) - all neighbours are mad cuz its loud - can be dangerous riding among very fast, modern cars nowadays its much more convienent to buy an e-bike to cruise around the city - no fuel, no license, no inspections, no garage needed, no clutch, ease of use, silent, literally almost nothing can break in electric motor, you can go everywhere using it and even pack it to bus, tram or train, you can ride on the bike lane which makes it far safer than going on the road with cars

[@TheTundercat222]

💯💯

[@MajorDrama1]

Pathetic

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Rather than shallow meaningless answers like "no money", the overriding condition is that motorcycling is just incredibly dangerous.

[@Dave-sw2dm]

In the US fewer children are riding bicycles while dreaming about motorcycles.

[@SloboloboVFR]

I recently sold an SV650 to a young lad who had got his full license. His BEST insurance quote was over £2.5k, less than the cost of the bike itself.

[@kimriley2491]

Great! That is one efficient way to get rid of old pollutant technology once and for all.

[@snakeman9902]

​@@kimriley2491Huh?

[@SloboloboVFR]

@@snakeman9902 I think they mean companies pricing out new drivers/riders is good. So they have to buy one of those super affordable EV`s that often cost way more to insure or something...

[@snakeman9902]

@@SloboloboVFR No problem my friend I was looking for the poster to elaborate, as it appears, they are saying ..ICE vehicles need to go, because of their pollution, which was a ridiculous statement to make, especially if they are claiming , EVs are better for the environment..

[@mookyzook]

@@kimriley2491 You wait till you try to get insurance for an EV if you think this is a deterrent.

[@sufeeb]

It’s such a shame, when I was a teenager it was Fizzy’s, AP50’s….a first taste of freedom. Then you’d graduate to a 250 and take your test before getting a bigger bike. It was like a rite of passage. The age demographic is a lot older today, probably in part due to cost….but maybe there’s just not there used to be.

[@Carsonktm420]

Fizzy was the first bike I ever rode

[@No-1.In.Particular]

I don’t know about other countries, but in America, there are far too many people texting & driving nowadays. Also there are times where a car is just the better option, like driving in the rain or grocery shopping.

[@lucywucyyy]

americans shouldnt be allowed to discuss transport

[@stephenpotts8170]

Hi Saffy, enjoyed your tongue in cheek view on declining motorcycle sales, myself I'm towards the end of my wonderful motorcycling years, riding on the road since 1972 only having a short break while my two daughters grew up. You are right with the stat's but on the road there appears to be more bikes on the road than for a long time, and what a wonderful family is the motorcycling world, always available to help should you need it, I'm just trying to stay fit and healthy to keep doing what as given me enormous pleasure through my life. Thank you Saffy you are an amazing young Lady.

[@mervwhitney7229]

Saffy, I agree with the points you raise in the video and would add a few other reasons. It is a long time since people like you and I routinely did their own servicing. Some parents have never serviced a car let alone a bike and they can't pass on the skill to their offspring. It's hard to service modern bikes loaded with gizmos. High servicing costs. The risk of theft and the subsequent penalty imposed by insurers after claiming for a bike theft (I know from my own experience) The UK weather has been atrocious in recent years, most recently the last 7 months.October to April. Standing charges whether bike used or not- Insurance, batteries and MoT. Bike Tyres cost more than for a car and it's cheaper to run a small car than a bike. The car has a roof and a heater! The poor state of the road surface and it's getting worse. I have owned bikes for 50years so I can relate to these issues. Stay safe

[@markwhalebone751]

I have had a full licence for over 40 years but gave up twenty five years ago after a 15 years as a despatch rider in London. I thought I might by a little 125cc second hand job. got a quote for insurance that floored me. Over £3000! Three times the cost of the bike ffs! Way too much for any youngster to afford.

[@SaffySprocket]

That’s a tough break, Mark. 😓 Insurance costs can be really daunting, especially for new riders. It's a shame that something as fun as riding can be so financially challenging. 🏍️

[@mengaw-yong2490]

All points are valid 58 yrs old riding for 31 yrs and one claim and my insurance keeps going up ? Where is the transparency or insurance companies profits. 10m live in London which is too expensive for many to insure. Not enough being done to catch bike thieves and the tests lack of availability makes it hard for many

[@TheYorkie1954]

just popped out today to buy new tyres, frightening cost but fantastic yo be out in the spring sunshine. will never give up biking

[@rhithym]

I'm part of the "younger generation" and own my own motorcycle. This has nothing to do with generational differences in interests, "phone dependency" as some idiot boomers seem to throw around in the comments, or any shift in the cultural zeitgeist. It all literally boils down to one very simple answer: WE'RE ALL POOR AND STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE! Half of the young generation I know are living at home to support their family and save money, the other half are moved out and literally fighting for their lives in this horrible rising rent/housing crisis. I'm of the latter, but it's not easy nor financially "smart" for me to own anything other than a beater vehicle to commute. I'm just a dumb kid who refuses to sell my bike cuz I love the hobby so much, but make no mistake, motorcycling has priced itself into the luxury hobby category for many young folk.

[@albertpeugh9367]

One thing I’ve experienced as an ‘older’ biker (56) is the reaction from the 30-35+ group. Those that have already flexed socially, are now starting to learn how to enjoy life, look to some of the older riders for advice. I have to admit, I’ve been pleasantly surprised at the interest in riding. Sure, down overall, but lots of the millennials are finally starting to see life outside their G-Wagons, and they are realizing that they’ve been missing out. I really encourage riders to support these younger riders, help them when you can, then maybe one day they too will feel what we have, freedom on two wheels.

[@john-wq8kf]

It’s easy I’m seventy eight I passed my test in 1964 bikes, fuel, insurance and of course maintenance was cheap or at least my first bikes were. Now wow high teens into the twenties are the prices of bikes insurance is higher than I can remember it now it’s a major part of the bike purchase. It’s good that the Chinese are putting together some reasonably priced bikes so maybe we will see some young guys and gals getting into biking that way

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

State of the UK roads is appalling with killer pot holes.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

Potholes make motorbikes one of the most entertaining ways to commit suicide ever invented by mankind. Ruts in the road are bad too because the front wheel likes to follow them.

[@dionne8837]

Motorcycle safety - the gear helps but is not the critical thing. the critical thing is getting skills up and learning what to watch for and where to position on the road will prevent the accidents in the first place

[@silverdale3207]

Reminds me of a story I heard of a young guy asking whats the best thing to buy for his bike to make it ride better, old guy told him to buy a jerry can of gas and go practice.

[@MrMystang92]

Most young kids are brainwashed to go get a very expensive and useless college degree. Then they are told to buy a house they can’t afford. Then advertised to buy new toys to impress people that don’t care or like you. By the end of that they have literally hardly any money for basic needs and fun hobbies like motorcycling.

[@FastRuffneck]

Great commentary. 100% agree with the cost, reputation and identity. From having a field bike at the age of 9, having a bike was a right of passage in the 70's and 80's ... I will have one for as long as I can stay upright!

[@devilsoffspring5519]

"I will have one for as long as I can stay upright!" And when you think about it, that's kinda how motorcycling works :) hehehe

[@EvilGav]

Motorbiking licencing can start at 16, but because of how they've altered the bike licences, it's become less attractive. To get an unlimited licence takes a CBT, and an A2 licence (which you cant get until you are 19), after 2 years on the A2 licence, you can then take the full licence. So, it's not possible to have a full licence at less than 21 years old. Compare that to a car licence - pass your test at 17 and drive what you want (if you have the money). Systematic government rule changes have made the lure of bikes less and less for younger riders. Now, compare that to the even younger generation - how many kids do you see that grin when a bike goes past or signal you to rev the engine? Loads. So the delight is still there, it's killed by reality. The real killer is cost. Bikes are stolen at an alarming rate in the UK (about 3% stolen annually, compared to about 0.3% of cars), and aren't recovered as often - it's a lot easier to hide a stolen bike than a car. Insurance is crippling without a garage and most younger people don't have access to a garage, unless they live at home - where most parents will forbid them from getting a bike. As for deaths on bikes, they actually peak at 18 and drop off year on year - lending weight to the adage "there are old bikers and there are bold bikers, there are no old, bold bikers". But that somewhat misses the point anyway, because those stats always get compared to car drivers, who unsurprisingly die considerably less than bikers, however pedestrian deaths are around double biker deaths, and nobody says people should stop walking!!

[@qtronicqilt8898]

A lot more people are walking than riding motorbikes however! "however pedestrian deaths are around double biker deaths, and nobody says people should stop walking" Your not looking at the statistics or probability rate correctly. QQ.

[@brucecurtis6281]

⁠most accidents happen at home! Most people die in hospital. Dangerous places! A third of marriages end in divorce…which reveals that two thirds end in death! Which would you prefer?

[@oldasfolk-km1ov]

obviously thats because people are just more smooshy on your side of the pond....environmentally friendly but not build to last... :)

[@gk73man51]

Stupid stepped licensing laws. If I had to wait while 24 to ride something that would pull the skin off a rice pudding I wouldn’t bother either. Back in the day I had owned two 100bhp plus bikes by the time I was 20 years old. 47bhp wouldn’t have cut it I’m afraid. You can see why it’s so tempting to pass your car test and get a relatively fruity car on PCP rather than muck around doing two lots of bike tests, having to ride something you don’t really want between said tests and you still get cold and wet. I think kids getting a full licence these days are those that are bike mad from an early age, probably from parents influence or racing.

[@kevindarkstar]

Exactly

[@JeroenvKL]

Yeah, they should also introduce this for cars :) it’s because the brain is only matured at age 24, before that it can’t do a good risk assessment. But why only for motorcyclists and not car drivers. I guess mostly because people drive their parents cars first and it would be impossible to impose. Bikes are more personal transportation.

[@chrishart8548]

Even if you do the CBT at 16 it runs out when you are 18 (2years) can't even do the A2 until 19 there's a problem straight away.

[@kevindarkstar]

@@JeroenvKL and why not limit the amount of power new car drivers can use for say 2 years

[@JeroenvKL]

@@kevindarkstar yes, that would be nice. But a lot of young drivers drive there parents car first for a few years or so. Specially with insurance and car prices so high these days.

[@07szim]

just got one! the young crowd is coming!

[@MajorDrama1]

Halleluyah! Welcome to the brotherhood/sisterhood! 🙂

[@trevjones1315]

Hats off to people like you and Henry Cole who have done more for biking since Barry Sheene. I do a lot of old school bike rallies and the average age of people must be at least 50. Nice video saffy. 👍

[@bento_travel]

Hi Saffi. I think that the main reason it that younger generations live more online and less face to face. That doesn't give them need of traveling as much as we always did and grown to love. The "ancient" social media was a group of friends face to face and for that you needed to go out. And the motorcycle helped a lot.

[@franko8572]

We can’t even afford houses, I’d like to have the luxury of affording toys, but my priorities are on establishing a good foundation.

[@07szim]

The american dream to own a luxury car, luxury house, and luxury bike. $$$$$$$ we all arent rockstars. get what we can afford :) and enjoy life

[@MajorDrama1]

Enjoy your foundation! ;-)

[@lucywucyyy]

yeah its rent or food nowadays it sucks

[@plumetheum7017]

Bikes aren't luxuries, cars are. Two wheels in the form of Bicycles, Scooters, and Motorcycles are the most common personal transit in the Third-World.

[@franko8572]

@@plumetheum7017 Yeah, great. I’m not transporting my family on a motorcycle, riding it in the snow, carrying groceries on it or whatever. I buy one thing.

[@Strider9655]

Same reason there are less car enthusiasts and home mechanics, car finance and badge enthusiasm. You used to get a bike because it was cheaper and faster than a car, then you'd have biker mates and you'd get hooked, but now with car finance you can have an 80k supercar at 18 years old and a lifetime of debt. Also massive amounts of single parent families, moms raising fearful soft kids who'd never cycle never mind own a motorbike. Most of my friends got into motorbikes through their fathers, at the absolute disapproval of their moms.

[@zweispurmopped]

I can only speak for Germany, it's been ages since I last was in the UK. Over here the streets are full of driving schools doing motorcycle lessons. It's ridiculous! It seems that soaring fuel prices and clogged roads inspire loads of folks to go for a motorcycle license here. Apparently tax and insurance are way cheaper in Germany. When I last checked, the 411 Himie would have roughly cost as much tax and insurance per year as my car costs each month. We're talking about a 1600cc Renault Mégane I here. A Himie will get you around 100 Kilometres for a little over 3 litres. That flashy 25 year old BMW 3 still costs as much as the brand new Himalayan and is full of complex tech that got old and starts failing expensively as you need corporate associated garages for all the electronics shite, and that bugger has a good thirst! New cars almost cost the equivalent of an apartment. Bikes actually are nicely cheap means of transportation after all!

[@SaffySprocket]

That's really interesting! Hear we see a lot of electric push bikes especially with deliveroo

[@upload2352]

Don't know if it's a thing affecting motorcycling, but as an aging Boomer who survived childhood in the '60s-'70s, I'm amazed by the amount of fear I hear today's young moms transmitting to their kids about getting hurt, germs, stranger-danger etc. And . . . I hardly see ANY kids on bicycles anymore. Where'd they all go? As I kid, I was never off of my bicycle. It was my passport to adventure - I could go anywhere I wanted. I was free to get lost and/or injured, and I did, repeatedly. I was chased by dogs, knocked off my bike by bad kids, had mechanical failure to be overcome, etc. I learned from all of those "negative" experiences, making me a better-prepared adult for the real world. Today's 20-somethings might actually have their mum/dad go with them to work to explain to the boss why junior's a poor worker, after a trigger-warning and safe-space are provided for all, of course. Glad I'm old. Good luck, World.

[@SaffySprocket]

I feel like kids today are missing out on all those epic "learn by doing" moments. Falling off your bike (or in my case, my motorcycle... a lot! 😂) really does teach you so much.

[@dadmadforgot4050]

Bikes are lethal, it’s not a case of if, but when. At that point it’s a roll of the dice. Especially on modern roads with the amount of traffic. I think younger folks recognise this and they just don’t want to know. Can’t blame them.

[@SaffySprocket]

Cars a lethal

[@nem447]

Bollock! I've been mostly riding motorcycles as my main form of transport and have never had a serious a accident, while many of my friends have had car crashes. Its easy to be distracted in a tintop...

[@peterwilson8039]

@@nem447 That's a clear denial of reality. Statistically you're about 30 times, (per mile travelled) more likely to die in a motorcycle crash than in a car crash. That is skewed though because automobile crashes more often result in multiple fatalities. As the operator you are about 50 times more likely (per vehicle mile) to die on a motorcycle. Now there are caveats to that. About 80% of motorcycle fatalities are riders with less than two years experience on a motorcycle. So if you survive the first two years, you've probably developed some skills and some good habits, and your risk of death declines significantly. But on the other hand that first two years are deadly. This is exactly why countries like the U.K. have the graduated licensing scheme. If we can get those riders safely through their first two years, thereafter they will be safer riders, and less likely to become statistics.

[@brettmiller3246]

In my city, there’s tons of kids riding. They’re zooming around town on Surrons and other EVs. The problem is they’re riding on sidewalks at speeds approaching 30mph and not observing traffic laws. Oh, and they’re only SOMETIMES wearing a bicycle helmet.

[@alastairtheduke]

Surrons are the new motorcycles for youong people

[@dennisreid4428]

In a way I agree with your comments in all their forms. the problem is that many people will not look outside their little bubble. Lets take India as an example,they've now started building the Royal Enfield Himalayan which sells in vast numbers there. India has 34% of 2 wheeled bikes,Malaysia has 50%. Yes many see that as a poor man's transport but,it's transport! The English are mainly focused on weekend warrior superbikes not as a mode of transport.

[@EWAScotland]

The training and licensing is ridiculous, but mainly it is just too damn expensive. I just managed to stretch to a RE Super Meteor (I’m a retired woman rider age 63). How can youngsters afford £10k, £15k, £20k plus, for what will inevitably be a weekend toy. Insurance is also utterly ridiculous. I live in Scotland, and every weekend the roads are full of aging mainly male riders, some in their 30s, mostly late 40s early 50s. Bike manufacturers need to wake up to the fact this is a dying demographic, literally!

[@youngeroldie5089]

Hi, good content with a lot of true facts. As a volunteer instructor we get a good flow of 16/17 year olds doing a CBT so they can ride a 50 or 125cc depending on their age. When speaking to these trainees they just want the bike to get to work or college until they can afford a car, they have no interest in progressing further. The people settle down have a mortgage raise a family. years later the kids have grown up mortgage is now small or gone and they decide its time for them to have some fun and get a bike. Most of our trainees are over 50 as less tests to take and cheaper to insure. The average age for a motorcyclist in the UK is 54.

[@MRmUIREND1]

I think your comment represents a very accurate picture of modern motorcycle. Been riding for 35 years. And as almost everyone about me at biker places, helmet comes off, hair is grey, if there's any left?

[@marksimpson5218]

Yes I have to admit, at most bike meets most are 50+ including me. When we die off, there will be very few bikers around.

[@youngeroldie5089]

@@MRmUIREND1 Yes I agree, my 2 fave meets are mostly older riders. thanks for sharing ride safe

[@chrisgermann6658]

This needs to change from Gov level. Motorycycles should not just be an old mans thing and if our leadership are really serious about "net zero" thing then they would be making advanced steps in making the point of entry more desireable for the younger generation. We need to go back to the old way of training ....the one test!.

[@youngeroldie5089]

@@chrisgermann6658 A very good point Chris, thanks for sharing. ride safe.

[@JeroenvKL]

In the Netherlands motorcycle sales have actually been rising since covid and the last year even more. First due to people didn’t have much to do so they got a bike to be able to get out there. And later due to the increase of traffic jams a motorcycle can be a good time saver commuting to work and back.

[@patrickdoake6022]

In 50s 60s motorcycles were cheap transport used by families (sidecar outfits) easy to repair in shed, but as time wore on, people could afford cars so sidecars went out of fashion. In 60s and 70s bikes were popular test was easy (20 mins, 1 part!) gradually test has become harder and expensive. Youth today want cars not biles, you get cold wet on a bike, not a choice for pampered youth now. Rallies now mainly over 50s. Gear, i use full face helmet, cost about £80 2nd hand black leather jkt (marketplace good for lots used bike gear) overtrousers lightweight black!!) lace up boots and i ride all year as self employed gardener. Had spill recently, (mud gravel ice mix!) bike written off, landed on my front visor badly scraped. Back on bike 3 days later. My back up bike. As for clubs, good and bad in all walks of life. My age group (65) grew up watching club scene grow, part of biker culture. Music in 60s influenced biker culture immensely. I have a cb 550 chopper a friend is building for me and 3 other bikes. 2nd hand always for me never had a new bike dont want one either. Cheaper insureance and historic no mot or tax!!

[@mookyzook]

Passed my test in 1969 sixteen years old on a 125 Bantam, simply ride around the block with the examiner stepping out in front of you for the emergency stop, health and safety virtually non existent. Could have ridden anything up to 250cc in those days on L plates. Insurance, tax etc was cheap and it helped me learn roadcraft and appreciate how vulnerable motorcyclists are. As a driver I always keep a lookout for riders, I'm sure most drivers could do with a year on a motorcycle before learning to drive.

[@Leonard-kd7uj]

And another point the EU are now going after classics So in the end a fight to keep our passion but will we stay safe

[@oldasfolk-km1ov]

pampered youth....bingo!

[@0Zolrender0]

I have been riding motorbikes of some kind since 1985. I have been riding a sports bike as my daily commute since 1992. My family hate me love for motorbikes but I will never give them up.

[@anjahadicke4849]

I think apart from money it is also less interest in any kind of adventure. It all has to be safe, no risk, online available, not making yourself dirty or sweaty… everything has to be convenient.

[@shauncarlton5563]

Glad you are speaking to the broader issues around ridership. I am in Canada, and a quick scan of the interwebs shows that both North American ridership and sales are all trending upwards and showing growth. I have been riding for decades and I am glad to see brands like RE and CFMoto working hard to offer decent and affordable bikes to ensure new riders keep signing up like we could back then. Insurance as an industry needs looking into for sure, vehicles, houses and travel have all been trending the wrong way. As Orwell said "Four wheels good, two wheels better!" Great topic.

[@georgeg7840]

I think that cell phone dependance in younger generations also plays a role.

[@ThornyA_D39]

Me and a friend did a tour from Germany to venice, italy. We were the only 19 year olds. Everyone was at least older than 40. it kinda suprised me since its such a nice hobby.

[@ellistolchard4400]

I've recently found a new KZbin channel called TipToe Bikers. Young women riding around on there little sport bikes and having fun. Take a look...

[@SaffySprocket]

Ill have to check it out

[@ellistolchard4400]

​@@SaffySprocket 👍

[@kct9967]

My kids and their freinds have done a deep dive into 70s style choppers, and stunt harleys, they're constantly working on their or there friends is kinda cool to watch!

[@DJAssassinz]

Motorcycles have always been considered luxury toys where I'm from and most people couldn't afford it. With that being said, I just bought a 24 Indian Scout Rogue in black smoke and she is gorgeous

[@NatsWright]

Very interesting subject, having come back to biking after a 4 year absence, I bought my first modern bike and after getting back in to bike culture, was surprised how many affordable bikes are around these days. From the triumph speed 400, to the Himalayan 450, you can pick up a new bike that's super fun for under 6 grand! Oddly I see more bikes these days and I've been riding on and off since 1990 lol. Bike gear is very much better these days, and dare I say it, trendy? But for youngsters, its expensive. I remember picking up a shiny new 1991 RD 350LC, it cost £2999, and I bought it new. At the time I was earning around £9000 per annum and was just qualified after my apprenticeship. I got into biking from my work colleges, well, one guy called George, who was a 50 year old biker with a love for an old R90 BMW boxer, so I kind of bucked the trend a little as I'm the only biker in the family. However my daughter is certainly interested in bikes! I guess we fix this with the social aspect of biking. Creators such as yourself do an amazing job of spreading the word of just how much fun and adventure can be had on a bike. I guess its something a focused group of creators could tackle together, a UK bike tour to raise awareness of biking? Thanks for your thoughts, this is a great video and very thought provoking

[@lajo70]

I'm 53, have been ridin since my 20's and still is. I really like your channel bcs your honesty and courage. Keep it up!❤ Ok, on topic then.. Only one celebrity comes to mind as a genuine biker. Keane Reeves!🤘🏼😊

[@kevintyler7900]

I do like this new(?) format. You are very eloquent and a great ambassador for motorcycling. Keep going Saffy.

[@SaffySprocket]

🥰 thank you so much 😊

[@russellnapier3884]

The question is, as we love bikes, do we really care what other people think? This is our hobby/love, if they don’t want to get involved and only want to dream about something they will probably never own, then let them get on with it. Their dreams and ambitions are not my dreams and ambitions so I’m not sure I care. Keep up the great vids.

[@NOYB1776]

My dream bike was a Yamaha R6. Back in 2015ish, I remember looking all over for one to buy (even though my parents didn't allow me) and I remember seeing all sorts of used R6 bikes, each and every one was less than 6 grand. Even a brand new 2014 R6 was $10,998. Now there isn't a single R6 for less than 8 grand. I just looked right now to prove my point, and there is a 2016 R6 with 25k miles for sale near me. It is listed right now for $10,995. I could've bought a brand new 2014 R6 9 years ago for the same price. I had to settle and buy myself a brand new CFMoto 450ss. Out the door was 6 grand. And I think I made the right decision.

[@orbitalair2103]

Inflation and the fact that Yamaha stopped making the 600 4 cyl. Twin cylinders aren't the same to me.

[@MichaelJones-ir3cc]

I'm 59 YOA, been riding since I was 18. I currently have (4) bikes in my garage and ride them all. Sadly, My two sons, aged 31 and 26 respectively don't ride any of them. They are too busy playing video games inside 11 1/2 months out of the year, instead of riding and enjoying the great outdoors 🤨😵‍💫🤬. Maybe that's why the younger generations aren't riding motorcycles anymore. Social media and video games are a curse to the young folks.

[@WildBikerBill]

I can remember being young and the adults yelling at us kids to go outside and play. And we did, and it was great!

[@theyorkbiker.8214]

Well put together and tought out,older rider here(58)as i do my daily commute filtering past hundreds of cars in traffic i often wonder where all the bikes are?i can't think of anything worse than been stuck in traffic going to work in a morning. ❤❤

[@silverdale3207]

Went for an joyride yesterday,about 100km round trip and only passed one other bike, gave each other a big wave. Mind you it was pretty cold as nearly winter where I am.

[@peterparsons3297]

65 now ive ridden a bike since i was 16. took my test same week i turned 17. if the test had been as complicated, expensive and took so long i just wouldn't have bothered. speaking to a girl who has a full bike licence and a licence for a light aircraft... her comments were interesting and that it was easer cheaper to learn to fly

[@kaylep6135]

Great video - very insightful. Im 28 and started riding at 16 and was sad to see how few people my age ride. I think the costs and ultimately utility are the biggest issue. When I was a single student it was easy to live with just a bike but with a wife and child you need a car. At that point the bike loses its utility so you have to weigh up its value when your bank balance is tight. Sad but given how car prices continue to soar maybe the utility value argument will become more relevant

[@FlyingFun.]

I gave motor bikes when my girl was born some 20 years ago, roads were busy and didnt feel fair to risk leaving her with no dad. I am looking to get back into it now but the cost is off putting and the roads are FAR worse so actually enjoying ebikes instead and staying off road for the most part.

[@weddincoyote2440]

I have had 2 offs. One were I broke my elbow at 5 mph. I yanked the front brake during slow speed maneuver practice. Second was also my fault. I lost concentration after 4h on the road for a millisecond. I hit the curb at 45 mph and went down. Mostly bruising. Very lucky. I still love bikes and still ride. I have the bike prepped for the abr and will be riding from Scotland. Though I will be taking more breaks.

[@BigYouDog]

I'm 74 and have had to sell my last bike as health problems have taken over. Until Covid, we used to two-up tour the Alpes every summer, and I would do a couple of solo trips abroad, in spring and autumn. The thing that would stand out was the lack of 20 to 30-somethings doing the same, it was nearly always the middle-aged on the Eurostar or ferry going by motorbike to somewhere other than the beach. Also, this bank holiday weekend the BSB T.V. coverage was reduced, why? it was the snooker final. It seems that bike racing coverage is always dumped, or cut short for a "sport" involving a ball, or in this case, balls.

[@coacho7256]

My main reason I don’t want a plate in something I drive, so I prefer something like an E-bike that can go 50 mph or more, It’s easier.

[@torvamessorem6686]

I'm a biker myself, but I always found a resemblance to fighting games in the sense that it isn't fun until you get good at it. And much like fighting games, I think a lot of people aren't willing to invest the time.

[@MajorDrama1]

Interesting impression.. And quite at odds with my impression I found it enormously fun the very first time I tried riding! The fun never correlated with time or ability to me

[@PhantomMark]

I've only had 2 off's on the road worth mentioning, both times was because I was being a dikhead, self inflicted. Been riding 37 years :D The only thing you need to worry about on public transport is drills which lead to explosions, and/or being stabbed and robbed.

[@MajorDrama1]

👍🤣

[@simontaylor305]

Hi Saffy, I'm 48yrs young and I'll be all over North Wales this weekend on my tenere700 👍

[@eds5977]

I watched the club here in Florida every weekend they go out for rides one bar at a time.

[@user-fv1576]

Excellent video . Great format . Keep up the good work 👍🏻

[@SaffySprocket]

Much appreciated!

[@davidcoleman6211]

In the US we have lost most of the off road opportunity for riding. You now have to be able to load your bike and travel to a distant location to ride. We used to just ride a mile or two down the side of the road to a makeshift track at a shell pit or bar pit. The dirt mounds around every pit had some kind of track. At 15 you could ride legally on the street with a learners permit any bike less than 5 break horsepower.

[@Stroopwaffe1]

Too expensive nowadays, plus roads are a deathtrap.

[@julio0514]

In the province I live in in Canada, it costs me 713$ for licence plate + 400$ for insurance. Yearly. This is really expensive. Plus if you live in an urban environment, there's always traffic now. Being stuck in traffic on a bike is a really annoying experience.

[@AwTheGears]

I think it's the way trends go too. 15 years ago, if u asked a 20 year old who Valentino Rossi is, I bet a bigger percentage would be able to tell you, compared to asking a 20 year old today, who Marc Maquez is. But they can name all the Kardasians tho! 😂 BTW, Loving the setup, Saffy. Your production value is awesome. 😎👍

[@SaffySprocket]

Let's hope it comes back in style

[@mikek882]

When I think of how easy it was for me to pass my test compared to the current test. Great video. A break from your usual, in a good way. More of this👌

[@virajvrooms]

Oooh 🔥 The studio is dope! Just hide those two wires on your left. About EBs "The whole scope and capability of the concept of electric vehicle mobility is highly overrated. It's the result of mixing the laws of physics incorrectly and also by mis-reading the laws of energy," Stefan Pierer. KTM therefore chose electric scooters.

[@TheDudeFromAus]

You can't hold a phone in your hand while riding. They all freak out if they have to put the phone down. We don't employ young people at work anymore because they complain about everything and they won't do anything without the phone in their hand.

[@chrisjolly6954]

All I will say is that I currently live a mile from the TT course! 😃

[@davepcx]

I suspect there is an element of risk aversion as well ... some folks are terrified of their shadows 🙂

[@waynedowney1555]

I've been riding for 18months to beat the commute. No more train strikes to worry about and it costs less to run than taking the train for two days. And my mental health is far better now than when I was on the sardine train. I only have an MP3 by Piaggio but it's changed my life for the better

[@jimmyjam8795]

Nobody I have ever known, connected motorcyclist with any negative connotations! I've been riding nearly 40 years,I experience plenty of young riders in my county in the UK, and they all pass me on the speed limited area.... usually on the inside!!!

[@SmashTheAdventure]

Most people that own a motorcycle also own a car. With the rising cost of living in particular the cost of home ownership/rent, motorbike ownership is becoming an indulgence that is most likely to be indulged by the older generation that are in a better financial situation mostly down to being mortgage free.

[@EvanEdwards]

Some US statistics: There were 4.3 million motorcycles registered in the US in 2002 and that more than doubled to 8.8 million in 2023. And in a poll by Statista, "As of December 2023, 15 percent of respondents aged 18 to 29 years stated that they owned a motorcycle." That is over twice the 7 percent of 50-64 year olds who answered yes. Harley sales have collapsed (in the US; it's up in Asia and Europe), and sales of new motorcycles slowed overall when the economic collapse of 2008 hit (but has been rising since). The answer is that the United States, young people do have motorcycles. If they ride... well, that's a different question. But more people have more motorcycles, including the youngest age demographics. And a sad pointer to the fact that it is likely that people do ride all those motorcycles and they aren't just sitting in garages is that crashes are increasing. More motorcycles on the road means more crashes.

[@AdamRogers]

The women refused to keep fathers in the home and tried to raise the children themselves. No dad's to overrule the moms. You reap what you sew.

[@SaffySprocket]

Eh?!

[@ghost0441]

One thing when I was talking to young people about getting in to riding was how daunting a manual transmission was to learn for them. With manual transmission cars getting more and more rare, it's harder for them to crossover to bikes.

[@ThaKenMan]

My dad used to ride motorcycles. I’ve been riding for 10 years and my toddler seems to like bikes already so hopefully we can keep the tradition going!

[@rewis3d]

Is there an effect from most cars being automatic transmission now, so it would be more difficult for younger people to learn clutch?

[@MajorDrama1]

🤣🤣🤣

[@diptenkrom]

good video, and i think the cost is a large factor at this point. I bought my first bike about 12 years ago for $1300. finding a road ready running bike for that now is very difficult to do. also - nice looking PC in the background there. are you into computers at all? did you build that or have it built?

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

Because they can't work a clutch. It's too hard. Same reason we no longer see as many manual cars.

[@denniscunningham2041]

Great theft deterrent though.

[@shaun8256]

They cant play with their phones on a bike!

[@jevgeniardassov]

I ride motorcycles, outside my country only rentals. I cannot own my own. My mothers small brother rode himself dead leaving a wife and two small kids… I have two boys to parent so me and two of my brothers promised not to one one…

[@tH0d0RHs]

The younger generation have e-scooters now! They’re more practical and less adventurous. The rest of us grandads still ride our ADV bikes 🎉

[@riskysway2542]

The hell we are not? I am 16 and got a job to pay for my school and bike, final exam in july and currently have saved 1000 euro

[@GixxerRider1991]

For all of the problems the US has, I'm glad that getting a license and insurance is relatively easy. Used bikes are still cheap if you buy from a private seller.

[@kipkipper-lg9vl]

In the UK, insuring any vehicle inner city for somebody under 30. It's going to be absurdly expensive

[@Duckie313]

Where I live riding season is kind of short, official launch of season is May 1st every year, with thousands of bikes riding a set route together. Leading the parade are police riders. People line the streets to watch and cheer, often bringing their kids with them. So even if the parents aren't riders, these kids get that kick of watching all the bikes go by, waving and cheering and having a blast. I am sure that plants a few seeds in young minds, giving them a positive impression of bikers. Today was a stunning day for it, got lucky with the weather, 24°C and sunny. So a lot of bikes showed up, official count half way through the route was 3876 bikes.

[@kimriley2491]

Disgusting. How about horse riding? Far less noise pollution!