Sage (Breville) Dual Boiler First Look Review (Part 1/2)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for watching, comments welcome! Also, happy new year! Check prices here: geni.us/BrevilleEspressoMach (Breville/Sage affiliate link)

[@JoeyBeeFit]

Does anyone else watch because of his voice and demeanor? Lol. Excellent, informative content as always.

[@gyanusitott4939]

his voice resembles Mark Whalberg's voice

[@JoeyBeeFit]

@@gyanusitott4939 what!?!? 😆 🤯

[@MrAppoline]

A timely video because after months of procrastination I have just upgraded from a Delonghi Dedica to the Sage Dual Boiler. Plus I went for a Eureka Mignon Specialita as a bundle because of a great offer. I shall be following your progress with interest! Apart from the cost, my main concern with the SDB was reading about reliability issues but I hope by using filtered water (I live in a hard water area) and following all the cleaning recommendations it will serve me well. I am using a Brita jug as recommended by the supplier, and was relieved to see that the filtered water only registered one red square with the water hardness test strip, so the Brita appears to be working well. I have been really happy with the Dedica, bottomless portafilter and Sage Smart Grinder Pro, but when making more than one coffee it would struggle with speed, temperature consistency etc. The BDP is ready in around five minutes, and for the first time ever I produced four flat whites one after the other in no time. There is so much to learn after the Dedica. After a little tweaking of the grind dial (around setting 2) to achieve the 9 bar extraction, an 18g dose and the default double shot setting makes great coffee. This will be my starting point. I really look forward to hearing about your experiences and learning from them.

[@toddpower4674]

I bought this combo yrs ago. Could make excellent coffee better than most high-end cafe's. I did upgrade to a higher end machine after few yrs. But these can make wicked good coffee and do anything.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Agreed! The texture of the milk in particular is awesome on this machine.

[@edibumbaru]

Oh God, this is an very interesting machine, is the absolute setup for home…dual boiler is insane and that grinder is really good from what i know. I will just dreap to this🥹 Happy new year, Tom!

[@JamesNTaylor]

No, you need a better grinder for this machine

[@xAzarathx]

Very nice review Tom, can't wait for the next one! I hope you also do a video with the slayer mod, I've heard it's pretty simple to do on this machine 😀

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I will have to keep that in mind. Thanks for the idea!

[@gabrielblue]

This is exactly what I want to get in the future to replace My Breville Barista Express! How do you like the Sage/Breville grinder? I have a Baratza Encore ESP currently to go with my Delonghi ESP3420 (on your recomendation) as my inexpensive office set up! Thanks for your videos! What is your home country BTW?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Without giving too much away, I like to think both the USA and Germany are my home countries. Cheers!

[@alexandermashkin2395]

Hello Tom, it would be a great review continuation if you disassemble this stuff and research how it is built inside! )) there might be lots of surprises as soon as usualy this brand is about a high price which is 90% for exterior and only 10% for interior)) Happy New year!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Noted. I will likely take one apart soon enough. Cheers!

[@lastpme]

I currently have the Infuser with the Smart Grinder…if I ever upgrade this is the machine I want 👍🏿

[@jacqalas]

Thank you Tom. I would definitely go for this or the bambino plus. I'm happy with my current grinder but my little espresso machine is just not fast enough for a few cups in a row. The steam tap is worn out in any case so it might be a good time to upgrade. I'm currently using a Kambrook espresso machine. Supper cheap but the results after hack is amazing.

[@martintazky]

Perfect video, I saw also part 2. Will you do video on the grinder? It would be interesting, I have currently dedica Grinder with upgrade to gridne finer - your video ;), but still not good results. Currently I dont have budget for grinder aroud 500€, so I was wondering if this could be reasonable upgrade. Thank you. You are making great content 👍🏻

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I made a video about the Smart Grinder. Also made one about the Opus, ESP, and D40+. All good options around $200.

[@martintazky]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you, somehow I missed them.

[@juniorleyva7168]

Nice , keep us updated on any issues dream set up there , i have the old smart grinder needs a new impeller so waiting on it to wear down more so i can print a new one in tpu so i dont have to take it apart to put in a new one.

[@petes_CE]

My endgame machine! The dual boiler design is quite interesting. The water path for the brew boiler is routed through the steam boiler, pre-heating it before entering the boiler. Has Breville upgraded the burrs in the Smart Grinder Pro? The models with upgraded burrs have the ESP’s 6-point inner burr vs the previous gen 5-point burr.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The model I reviewed still has the 5 blade burr. Maybe they updates other batches, I am not sure. Cheers!

[@Kbaum752]

The bdb has wheels that can be accessed under the drip tray. No need to wrestle with it. They really put a lot of thought in their machines.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Heck yeah they do! I love that they consider such every day details, that most manufacturers don't think about.

[@brunoleitemilkie]

Dual boiler looks fantastic. What machine would you go for? Gaggia Classic Evo Pro or Breville Dual Boiler? Here in Australia they cost the same. I feel like Gaggia is better constructed, but I also feel they can last forever if well maintained. Dont know. Whats your thought? I ended up buying GCP 2 hand for half price. It is nice! Im learning a lot from your videos, keep going! Thank you and happy new year, mate!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The GCP costs the same as the BDB? For me that's an absolute no brainer - go for the BDB! It sucks having to heat up from espresso to steam mode, and cool back down from steam mode to espresso mode on single boilers. Also, the GCP has a small 120ml aluminum boiler, and the ergonomics leave a lot to be desired imho (see cup clearance, and steam wand articulation). The GCP is iconic because it's the cheapest 'good' machine, but the BDB is way better in all aspects in my opinion (2 boilers, PID, pre-infusion, dry steam, cup clearance, steam wand, manometer, water sensor, illuminated water tank, you name it).

[@brunoleitemilkie]

I found the BES920BSS for $999 AUD but it is out of stock (maybe its was boxing day promo and they dont sell it anymore at this price, I dont know). and the Dynamic dual, in stock, its $1699 AUD at Bing Lee. GCP (Evo version) its about $1k AUD. The breville smart grinder is about $300-350 AUD. Yes, i have to agree with you. I ended up buying the Gaggia 2hand because it was $400 only. @@TomsCoffeeCorner

[@Tass...]

is there an option on this machine to not heat up the steam boiler if you aren't using it? Or do both boilers always heat up?

[@ferincr]

Hi Tom, just a quick question...mine is few months old and when i turn it on in the mornings it makes a gurgling noise while reaching the temp (kind of like an electric kettle)I guess it's normal but I think I remember reading it might be an oring issue (it's only 6 months old) does that one does it too? Only happens while heating up but I don't remember doing it at the very beginning. Thanks and happy new year!!!🎉🥂

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh sure, you can hear the heating element in the machine, because it is a boiler. Nothing to worry about as far as I know. Cheers!

[@phoenixr6811]

Awesome review 😊Does Breville have an app for this espresso machine?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Not that I know of - maybe in a future iteration. Cheers!

[@ebutuoy763]

Is the Dual Boiler noticeably better than the Bambino Plus?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh my gosh, big-time, yes! So far, it’s the best machine I’ve used.

[@Mega000Alex]

Why exactly? Curretly using a Bambino plus. Considering about upgrading to a 58mm, maybe even the dual Boiler.

[@ivogiulietti8873]

What would be one of the most affordable espresso machine with full stainless steel boilers and pipes? Thank you!!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Sorry, I don't know that! Anyone else wanna take a swing?

[@jeet-Seattle]

Do you recommend Tom? $1500 machine. Thank you for the videos..

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Oh, yes, this is my favorite machine so far that I’ve used. It makes Café quality drinks for me, and I think its biggest advantage is the super dry steam it gives, which leads to heavenly milk foam. 👍🏻

[@jeet-Seattle]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you Mr.Tom you are great...

[@full_metal2452]

I could be wrong (based on your water source) but you shouldn’t use Zero water filter pitcher along with Breville water filter. Use Breville filter when using tap water. If using Zero/Brita filter pitcher or distilled or RO water you need to add minerals back in or you will have bad tasting espresso/coffee. As well the low PH of straight RO water will cause corrosion internally

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks, you're probably right about that. I use a Brita, which especially after a couple weeks, does not filter out the majority of minerals anymore. But it does help to reduce major scale in the machine. It's just force of habit for me to use filtered water, since it's crazy hard where I live. Cheers!

[@alexandermashkin2395]

I wondered today that Instead of buying such monster, you can buy two dedicas or even stilosa + dedica )) it will cost mush less and grab the same area on your kitchen. And drink quality at least will not be worse. Just.. Just less show-offs :D

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Lol, I could probably fit 3 Dedicas in that space. But the BDB does do quite a better job, with espresso and milk steaming. I know it costs a lot more, but the texture of the milk foam is incredible, and the shots are tastier too. But you're right, the Dedica is awesome in its own right.

[@roobeshbalaji9282]

Hey Tom! Would be great if you could do a video on the Graef cm800 grinder. And also talk about the internal adjustment and how to do it properly

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi there, I did a kind of sloppy video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmK7d2ymd62Nn9k It's on the CM702, but the CM800 is the same, just with a switch on the side. Cheers!

[@roobeshbalaji9282]

@@TomsCoffeeCornerohhh Tom you never disappoint

[@someguy9520]

If you have space for a Sage dual boiler you have space for a small home roaster XD I think that you could show ppl the basics on coffee roasting in a very down-to earth way

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

That's very kind of you to say! My wife already vetoed that idea though, with the claim that I already have too many hobbies - she's not wrong, lol. Cheers!

[@someguy9520]

@TomsCoffeeCorner Oh. I think I already asked before, but now I know the reason. Happy Waifu, happy laifu! And she probably won't like the smell that lingers for 3-4 days in the kitchen after roasting. My fiancée also doesn't think highly of roasting at home.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Happy wife, happy life! But she's right - too much going on right now to start such a hobby. Maybe later in life. Cheers!@@someguy9520

[@danielebergonzi8461]

Very nice

[@dennispronk6403]

Comparison with the hibrew h10a.

[@kitcraft9516]

My fear with the Dual Boiler is all of the horror stories on it getting an error (that doesn't seem easy, for me, to fix) after descaling. I have the luck that if something can go wrong, it will, lol.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Haven't heard that story yet...

[@kitcraft9516]

Many threads on reddit, home barista, plus others and Dylan's Home Espresso bar made a video about it.@@TomsCoffeeCorner

[@johne7100]

Single baskets... fill it up, tamp it down, twiddle the Razor over it, tip it sideways to dump the scraped-off coffee and well, well, the whole puck has slid out. This is Real Men™ drink doubles.

[@lipardfilm]

Coffee became a trending hobby in every level in the recent years. But bigger machine manufacturers tend to follow the tech companies' method in the 90's. Only give new upgrades or functions step by step/year by year slowly to get the sales and revenue. The smaller companies advance more faster. For example this machine could have a better digital screen not a simple quartz one with dimm light and low contrast. Even the cheapest pulse oximeters have oled screens. Maybe in the next version.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Well, this design is already quite antiquated. I think it first came out over 10 years ago. Maybe they'll be updating it soon enough. Lance Hedrick hinted at something similar recently. Cheers!

[@valeo1988]

Cool

[@Jzak25]

Same machine but without the name "breville" and minus the grinder, it's ~$700 WTF?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Breville and Sage are the same. This is a dual boiler though, not the Barista Express with thermoblock. Cheers!

[@abdulaziz_me]

Please make it a full video . I really don't like it when there are two parts .

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I hear ya. Thanks for the feedback.

[@moukafaslouka4796]

$1700 for the machine and grinder is out of the budget of most working class people.

[@JB-pk1jx]

Get your bread up

[@devotedpickleball]

While I agree that it’s a lot of money. For the dual boiler machine this is a great price. I’d skip this grinder though. For the price of the machine I would want to have a better grinder.

[@CDPA7]

I would hope the “working class” weren’t buying these products 😏

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@devotedpickleballAgreed.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@JB-pk1jx😂😂

[@jakeconnelly2441]

So, a decent machine paired with a kinda crap grinder? Save yourself the hassle and skip this bundle, imo.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The grinder is fine, but I agree not up to par with the BDB. I'd pair this with a grinder from the Eureka Mignon line, or maybe something like a DF64.

[@jakeconnelly2441]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Honestly, even this with the Baratza ESP seems like a solid combo. At least until ya start getting into burrs and different grind profiles :P