SAHARA | McCoy Tyner's MASTERPIECE | Discussion

[@arnaudb.7669]

McCoy rules! The king of EPIC jazz. The guy is a genius. Love Sahara, don't know if it's a masterpiece...so many fantastic albums to choose from his amazing output: - Atlantis (the title track is a mindblowing epic) - Fly with the Wind (with the mighty Billy Cobham) - Focal Point (the beautiful Indo-Serenade) - Song of the New World - The Greeting - Horizon -Song for My Lady Tyner is the perfect gateway to jazz for a proghead or a fusionhead. Thanks for this great video Andy!

[@roxannewalsh]

McCoy Tyner is one of my "late discoveries" in music (being one of those 60's childs "I do not like Jazz" when in fact I always did, it just had to be the right branch of it...). His output between 1968 and 1982 is a treasure chest to explore and Sahara and Horizon are the crown jewels. But all in all there is no bad album from that time. I grew up with the jazz fusion coming out of Miles/Zappa but Tyner followed a completely different road. He stayed (mostly) acoustic and instead fused African, classical, Eastern influences into his mix. His piano style talks to my rock 'n' roll heart, extremely powerful but still very subtle and nuanced, never boring. I had Mouzon's albums since the 1970s and I also knew and liked some Sonny Fortune albums from the 70s but I missed Sahara until about 2 or 3 years ago, the same time I finally started to explore and love Alice Coltrane as well.

[@mattdowie92]

A great album. One of my favourites. Trident is awesome too. I love the harpsichord playing on it.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

I saw this quartet live. They were magnificent! I also loved freer stuff of Coltrane, Coleman, Taylor. Live, they were monsters, especially Tyner and Mouzon. Alice Coltrane was also amazing live, even without a drummer! Great job, Andy!

[@oliverlarsen7725]

According to Alphonse Mouzon, Led Zeppelin came in 73' to see The Eleventh House, due to the friendship between Page and Coryell. After that concert Bonham became a keen listeringer of Mouzon. It went so far, that Bonham would practic to "Mind Transplant", becuase Mouzon's heavy playning. As he put it: "The loudest drummer in rock, would listen to the loudest drummer in jazz, which was myself".

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes I have heard that story from RP. Many years later I took RP to see Billy Cobham but that is another story...

[@keithshapland903]

Truly excellent album and first of his I bought on second hand vinyl about 35 years ago. Enlightenment and Atlantis are both live ones released afterwards with Mccoy Tyner : Piano Juni Booth : Bass Wilby Fletcher : Drums Guilherme Franco : Percussion Azar Lawrence : Tenor Saxophone, Soprano Saxophone both awesome too , especially the later.

[@lukameah853]

The best thing about living close to NYC was going in every weekend and seeing and hearing some of the jazz greats up close, McCoy being one of them. One night at a club called Seventh Avenue South, my buddy met Cecil Taylor ( for trumpeter Lester Bowie show,) in the bathroom. My buddy said to him, "Wow. I feel I should bow to you." Cecil replied, "Uhh...not in the mens' room, okay?"

[@narosgmbh5916]

Was! But now? Where is the city you can hear every night jazzmusic?

[@lukameah853]

@@narosgmbh5916 Unfortunately, I don't have the discretionary income I had when I was younger. You need at least $100 to spend to sit in NYC jazz club for a set or two.

[@narosgmbh5916]

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[@scottmyers9360]

I just picked this up at a record store today based on this video. I look forward to checking it out.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Please let me know what you think...

[@benfinlay1399]

Thanks Andy. I bought this album years ago and I love it. Mccoy Tyner's early 70s output is amazing. I've been watching a lot of your videos recently and I found them very enjoyable - I've dug out several old favourites after watching you talk about fusion, etc! Keep up the good work and thanks again.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@domielakrabi3276]

Thank you for reviewing this great not so well known album! I learned about McCoy Tyner through Coltrane and was fascinated immediately. Sahara was his first solo album I bought. It is a wonderful record start to finish. McCoy was an unique distinguishable player one of my favorite jazz pianists. Great video!

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@kevincorrigan7893]

Excellent video! Thank you for introducing an album I might not have discovered otherwise (though I'm a huge fan of McCoy Tyler) and for discussing Coltrane's ideas about harmony and rhythm. Very interesting and beyond the usual KZbin level.

[@jazzpunk]

This album kicks ass... Two of my earliest Jazz LPs were TRIDENT (a trio with "Sir" Elvin Jones & Ron Carter) & FLY WITH THE WIND (larger band with Billy Cobham). Both killed me. Tyner is so powerful! Soon after, picked up FOCAL POINT & SAHARA.

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

My first solo tyner was Focal Point 9 with the great Eric Gravatt on drums. As soon as I listened to it I knew I had to get the rest!

[@jazzpunk]

Gravatt dominates on that album!

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

@@jazzpunk He pretty much stands out on anything I've heard him on. By the way Jazzpunk did you listen to your Buddy Miles Live album? When you mentioned it I went looking for my copy and came across one of his albums called 'Sneak Attack'. If you haven't heard that one I would recommend it. Good stuff.

[@jazzpunk]

@@devereauxclandestine1272 Yes, been listening to BM Live... cooks, a very good live recording, IMO.

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

@@jazzpunk I found the album I mentioned here on KZbin if you fancy a bit more Buddy Miles. Worth saving and giving a listen to sometime if you haven't already heard it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqGupox8qK-kn7M

[@armandom28]

great album with incredible playing

[@gustafcederborg9744]

Looking hella good Andy

[@patrickcosgrove886]

Great discussion. I just listened to the album a few days ago. My copy is on vinyl.

[@RobertVeasquez]

Great review of a masterpiece Andy. Now on to Patreon to see what’s up there.

[@funkallero409]

Love your vids man! Thanks for this content :) great to see the vinyl in background. Always loved McCoy trying to not just sound like him but take little bits from him like my other influences :)

[@postatomik]

I definitely love Sahara, although I think Focal Point is my favorite, with the great Eric Gravatt on drums.

[@stevebrougham3930]

Great video Andy I have this album on original vinyl but was put off it by that long epic track - I will try again after your comments and see if it gels for me. Like your channel, very good for a Brummie! Peace from a Manc ✌️

[@michaelstrong4956]

La Leyenda De La Hora Is one of my faves.

[@volkhardruhs7662]

More of that, please.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I wish I could but these videos don't get the viewers. But I will always do my best to get a video on here with more depth when I can.

[@volkhardruhs7662]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I know. Comes a time… I just signed in as “Patreon”. Not sure, if the money was booked right. Anyway, will on the first of November the latest.

[@paulreuben7343]

Looking forward to this...i am still laughing about the biscuit top 10....

[@mattf9076]

Thank You Andy!

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

My pleasure! Had to do something serious after the biscuits video...but look at the views...real jazz kills my channel!!!

[@mattf9076]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Thanks to your vid, the omnipotent KZbin algo sent me this. McCoy Tyner Trio & Michael Brecker - North Sea Jazz Festival 1996 - Full Concert

[@jazzpunk]

I loved this! An album not really talked about so much...more like this would be great. (Hopefully others will agree). :-)

[@herbertferguson2836]

I just love Super Trios!! Now I have to buy Sahara. Thanks for what you do. You have expanded my ears and my music budget. Switching subjects: Have you covered John Lurie of the Lounge Lizzards. I’ve recently listened to some tunes and I felt some pharaoh sanders vibes. I would like to hear your take on those guys. Thanks again.

[@russspera9359]

Just discovered your channel with your top 10 fusion albums (how you could leave off Cobham’s Spectrum was beyond me), but all else was spot on! Now here you are discussing my ultimate favorite jazz musician. Sahara is up there with McCoy’s best. If you could someday do a video on what kind of alien voodoo chordal splashes McCoy destroys my brain with on Atlantis’ Making Out I would appreciate it! Keep up the great work.

[@BillyDrummondDrums]

Sound Track to my life in 70’s along with your fusion drummer videos. How about Gravatt and Sonship!! Wife is British and loved Biscuit top 10.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I realised that only UK residents would truly appreciate my biscuit top ten...Sonship and Eric Gravatt are the great lost drummers of seventies jazz fusion...

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

Thanks Andy. Tyner had a great run in the 70's on Milestone. His music had a power and intensity that could match any of the plugged-in bands. Alphonse Mouzon doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves when you consider his CV. Weather Report, Tyner, Eleventh House, he played some truly astonishing music. No idea what any of this has to do with biscuits though?

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

No...Mcoys are more crisps....

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I can feel another top ten video coming up.

[@fusionfan6883]

I was just going to make the same point about Mouzon being the “forgotten man” of the great fusion drummers but I think, in part, this was due to the fact he moved to Europe and did more soul and funk based solo albums. Mindtransplant is of course his most famous fusion album, but sadly lacked the compositional quality of Cobham’s Spectrum, which he was effectively trying to compete with. He is stunning with Tyner though, as he was in Eleventh House, and let’s not forget his incredible sideman work, especially the awesome contribution on Al Di Meola’s Land of the Midnight Sun with the incomparable Jaco Pastorius🤘🏻

[@devereauxclandestine1272]

@@fusionfan6883 Alphonse has an album called 'In Search Of A Dream' with Philip Catherine, Stu Goldberg, Miroslav Vitous, etc. It is well worth a listen. There is also 'A Molde Concert' with Bill Frisell, John Taylor and Arild Andersen. Some nice stuff on that one, sort of ECM-ish. Both worth hearing if you haven't heard them already.

[@fusionfan6883]

@@devereauxclandestine1272 Thanks and yes I have them both. I especially like In Search Of because I am a big Catherine fan. Alphonse could be really funky too as evidenced by his work with Herbie Hancock 👍🏻🎸🤘🏻

[@guillaumechabason3165]

Vinnie quoted Eric Gravatt as one of his huge influences but is it the case with Mouzon I'm not sure

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I've read a lot of interviews, I'm pretty sure Mouzon was another influence.

[@volkhardruhs7662]

aaaand right you are. 1976 Fly With The Wind. (I am cheating. I have Roon before me. 😂)

[@Hartlor_Tayley]

I’m not familiar with this one. McCoy Tyner though. I like the one album per video format.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I do too...just wish they got the views....

[@narosgmbh5916]

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