Sailboat Haul out & Inspection! Will the Beneteau 393 be the one?

[@bjswope8797]

5:47 RE: Lady K Sailing, agreed, a very informative channel!

[@brownnoise357]

Tim is great, a bit too Sailboat Racing Oriented, but Tim will get there. For me, anything Sailboat Racing oriented as a Cruiser, is like Garlic go a ampire tbh. 🤣 Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿⛵️🌟🌟🌟

[@brownnoise357]

Got to the end. Frankly Your Offer of 80,000 dollars was way too high, I’d go back with a Take It or leave it offer of 35.000 dollars, for two reasons main reason - that in Mast Furling and - it looks to be a 5 ft 1 inch Draft. Then you can give the boat the full service, cleanup, Electronics update and retiring, plumbing , heads and galley refit, and know exactly where you are with the boat. If the big Crash that’s coming hits in this Coming October, you may well get it for 10,000 dollars or even less - as the present owner clearly can’t afford to even keep the boat ? Sit tight, that Sailboat isn’t going to get sold for serious money. Bob. 👍⛵️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🌟🌟🌟

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

Fun fact I toured that boat last year and it's still for sale as the 100k mark 🤣🤣🤣

[@bjswope8797]

Bummer about the boat. But happy you discovered all this early enough.

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

Only had to pay for haul out and inspection. Better then getting a bad deal

[@humbertosandri2053]

Amazing Marina!

[@YTMegiddo]

I'm going to be looking at a 393 in PR at the end of January and would have loved to see what you found inside. I am adding your items to my list just so I can keep and eye on possible failures. Glad to see you found a boat! (BTW, you have some great comments on your video)

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

Thank you!! I have had a short break but am looking to upload more videos in the future here! Which marina are you looking at the 393? The biggest thing with Caribbean boats is to look for any hurricane damages. And try and get the full history of the boat. Check the current list of repairs, and get a surveyor you trust.

[@YTMegiddo]

@@SailingLifeAquatic one in Fajardo (deep draft, too deep for the Chesapeake) and the other in Humacao with a shallower draft. Oh yeah, I'll be looking into that hurricane damage. I'm sure there will be lots of issues.

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

Lots to look for that is for sure!! Nothing that can't be fixed with a few boat bucks!! But they are great boat! I would say very comparable to my Bavaria. If it's an owners version, I like that a lot more then the layout I have on my current boat.

[@albertofourie3294]

Condensation inside the Beneteau 393 clipper is aweful unless you enjoy sleeping on wet bedding and water dripping from the ceiling! ☔ Best of luck with your search!

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

What would cause that on the 393 more then other boats? Anything to do with those large sunshades in the center of the yacht?

[@albertofourie3294]

Combination of poor insolation and ventilation. Hull cored or not?? 🤔

[@brownnoise357]

PS. the Mast of an in Mast Furler must be within an inch of the Base ofvthe mast, so no Mast bending tricks that Sailboat Racersxare prone to doing plus no Flat topped Sails as you do not want wind leverage from high up the mast. Bob. 🤔

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

I add a bunch of backstay when needed, but it has to be all put back prior to furling it it will either stretch the foot or the leach improperly... But I love the ease of sailing it single handed!

[@brownnoise357]

PPS . I lost my last Sailboat in an attack by a Wrecking Gang working New York Harbour, almost everything I had in the World was on that boat, and am still waiting on a Piggybank refill to be able to get my next Sailboat, so money donations to anything right now are impossible, and the only things I can offer are tips from things I have learned from Cruiser Sailing for 60 years this coming Summer, that have resulted in some pretty serious rethinking in recent years. I was about to go Sailboat Racing when the 1979 Fastnet Race Tragedy happened, and I have avoided everything to do with Racing Sailboats ever since. Ive only ever lost one Sailboat and that was down to the attack by Wreckers. I still get to places in decent times without overstressing Boats, and shallow Draft Boats with about 5 feet of Draft tend not to be a problem for even bolt on keels, due to having satisfactory Leverage moments on the Keel Bolts. Bob. 🤔🌟👍

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

6' draft on this one! But on my next haul out I plan to inspect the keel join and make sure all of the torque of the nuts on the studs is correct. That way to hopefully best prevent any water intrusion in the future.

[@brownnoise357]

Tip : Do Not allow yourself to become fypnotised by the Words - Bluewater Sailboats - they blind you to essentials and the obvious. Pretty much any boat can be made safe enough to cross Oceans, and with that aspect, things like Centre Cockpit and Ketch Rigs can be a real liability. Centre Cockpits generally are almost as bad in the Tropics, in turning below deck into a Sauna, as slapping a fully glzed Deck saloon on top of a Monohull. Things can get really unbearable, and with pady eyes and jack lines to clip into on entering an Aft Cockpit , they are at least as safe as being stuck in a generally cramped Centre Cockpit. On Passage, being able to stretch out and relax in cimfort behind a nice sheltering Dodger is bliss, and when you get where you're going an at anchor, in the shade of the Bimini that Aft Cockpit becomes the most used room on the boat, plus with Sugarscoop or Bathing platform, you have a secure Dinghy Dock to get on and off the tender, and easy access into the Cockpit. Cruisers tend to spend about 80% of their time at anchor. I used to like Fast too by the way, and was a keen Motorcyclist and Motorcyle Tourer. But Cruising requires a different mindset entirely, and a bit of adjustment to get used to. With things becoming about savouring the journey and the Destinations being a bonus. To me, being Becalmed in the Doldrums for up to weeks has become Bliss. with plenty of Sunshine, happy batteries, a Watermaker, and a few months of food onboard what's not to like ? Best Wishes. Bob. 🤔🌟🌟🌟👍

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

First thing is saving up enough money to be able to shove up with a boat im happy traveling in😊

[@brownnoise357]

@@SailingLifeAquatic A good insight is that there are production boats traveling safely on every bit of water on the Planet. For me, my priorities are for a Comfortable Aft Cockpit Shallow Draft Sailboat with in Mast Furling Mainsail, and it must be under 50 feet in length - annual Costs Skyrocket at 50 feet, as everyone thinks you are rich, plus there can be a Real Problem getting a Marina Berth for a 50 footer when you really need one - It's far worse for Catamarans, if you can get a Berth, it's generally double the cost. as boats have got beamer under 50 feet are pretty roomy and comfortable, and if you look at the below waterline Hull design, many are really very good seaboard with a comfortable motion in poor conditions. If below the waterline looks like a surfboard, it'll be a slammer built for speed, and very uncomfortable to be on. There are some lovely sweet spots in the 40's and around the 45 ft mark with a good displacement have always been very comfortable and good Sailing boats I've found. There's some belters in the 30 to 40 ft range as well, and one of those you now own. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍🌟

[@brownnoise357]

Tim of Lady K Sailing is great but he does have a Sailboat Racing leaning which has to be borne in mind. 🤔

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

I was also a racer for years before cruising.

[@brownnoise357]

PS. See my other post as a reply to another comment below, about making a very sane low priced offer. That seller clearly cannot afford to keep a sailboat, and is dumb enough to even kill the batteries? Did the engine run well ? Undoubtedly needs a major service, gearbox too . This is a major project boat, and the seller is hoping for a Sucker to come along. Deflate his ego with a really low Offer, thinking again, I would provide a list of prices I’m prepared to pay - 30,000 dollars September 1st 20,000 dollars October 1st and 10,000 dollars November 1st. I bet you’ll get a call by December 1st ? 😅Bob. 👍🙁🌟🌟🌟

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

I had already moved on, as a good friend once told me, you are buying the owners as well as the boat. They were selling the boat through a broker who was not willing to negotiate any lower so I took back my deposit and moved on with my search and journey 😊

[@brownnoise357]

@@SailingLifeAquatic Best Wishes and good luck finding the right Boat. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️

[@peteh8077]

We are not KZbin. You are KZbin. 😅

[@brownnoise357]

Hi. Don’t get hypnotised by that Crazy irrelevant and meaningless Word - Bluewater - Focus instead on the words Cruising Sailboat also, don’t get hung up on Centre Cockpit either. Most CC’s are almost as bad a nightmare in the Tropics as Glazed Greenhouses slapped on Monohulls called Deck Saloons. Most are like living in Saunas, and really a CC is all false sense of security, and limited luxury - pretty Cramped - when you are at Anchor, which is where Cruisers spend about 80% of their time, and that Aft Cockpit with Shade and Rain protection is the roomy and most used Room on the Boat. Plus with Cockpit Pad dyes and safety lines to clip harnesses onto, they are just as safe as a CC. Another Advantage is the potential for a Rear Cockpit Arch, to put Rigid Solar Panels and Davits on. If in the Tropics, for UVProtection of valuable Sailcloth, ideally you need in Mast Furling for when at anchor and ease of Sail Handling if single handed, and furling headsails. To have a greatly extended Furling Mainsail service life, go for a Battenless Triradial Construction to eliminate having wear and tear, and with aleting you can have that sail last at least ten times longer for about double the price Cross Cut Sails with Battens, are pretty much finished and blown out with Fabric Stretch after two years, same for headsails. The 393 also can have the Shoal Draft Keel with a Draft of 5 ft 1 inches, not too bad for Cruising, but you can still get grounded in theICW, the Bahamas, and a lot of other places, so a bit of extra care is needed in the shallows. I’m seriously thinking of getting a cheap 393 to do up to tide me over until I can get an Island Packet IP 439 construction slot. Best Wishes. Bob in Wales. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧⛵️🌟🌟🌟

[@SailingLifeAquatic]

Wow thanks Bob!! That was a really well thought out reply! I appreciate all of the honesty about the center cockpits. I had decided the boat I have purchased "later video". Is going to be my Caribbean cruiser for a few years then it'll be back to the drawing not to find something a little more long term for extended cruising! I actually toured a nauticat 44 and absolutely loved the boat! A very cool ketch rig motor sailor. But I plan on touring lots more boats during my adventures here in the Caribbean as well😊! I hope all is well and fair winds! Also the new boat has triradial sails as well🙏

[@brownnoise357]

@@SailingLifeAquatic tbh, I'd be happy crossing Oceans on a 393, and may even go with the Oceanis 370, and still be ok crossing the Atlantic on that a fair bit South of Cape Verde to North Argentina, and reverse direction coming back. the 370 shallow draft has a nicely under 5 ft Draft. Issue with Ketch Rigs, they're a pita for Solar Panels and shading effects, plus for heaving to, The beauty with in Mast Furling, is if Triradial Construction - no need for Battens, you can get them built so that if conditions are bad- I'm actually going to get one with 3.5 Reefs withbthev0.5 split into two heavy Duty Reefs, with all the loadings get spread into the layers of furled Sail underneath, so if bad enough to roll in 3 Reefs, andcthings deteriorate, then I can furl in 0.25 reef and leave only 2nd 0.25 unfurled Why ? all wind forces are at the Mast, and central on the boat. I hate Sailcloth at the Bow and or Stern tbh. Yes they Can, and do work when things get bad, but for me, that Leveraged SeeSaw motion has always broken a Heave To. Plus Talk about Easy and Safe Sail Handling. Everything back to the Cockpit, If its not nice out there, clip on from the Companionway, under the shelter of the Dodger, adjust what's needed, and back below and get the kettle on. Works for me, and looking at the Preduct Wind,mif it fits with what's happening in the Real World, can fire up the inboard and start making Steady progress in the right direction out of the bad weather. Some people swear by Cutter Rig and Ketch Rig, Contrary Me, I Swear At Them. 🤣 Just kidding, everything pretty much, can be made to work. All the Best. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️