SAILING Without Engine Is a Recipe for DISASTER

[@bowersish9489]

Thank you for giving the KZbin community a perspective from an experienced sailor and world traveler that's not looking for popularity or to use people as a means to finance their short-lived sailing dreams. I respect your opinions and hope you continue to talk with sound judgement about many topics.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words🙏🏻 This is the meaning of BE FREE ⛵️ Feeling free to live my life, and voice my opinions. I never demand people to agree with me, only to accept that it should be aloud to disagree and be honest on opinions. To me this is some of the key ingredients to BE FREE ⛵️

[@onsdag2k]

You have become completely unfiltered,, followed you for years now, and the mild gentle viking is now suddenly sharp and confrontational.? i do not dispute what you are saing, facts are facts and i agree,,, no experienced sailor would say you are wrong,, but why this change?

[@tomwolf9420]

@@onsdag2k maybe it’s because these channels are popping up more and more, luring inexperienced newbies into danger. At some point I think one can’t stand the BS anymore no matter how gentle one once was.

[@rak3151]

Hello Thomas, from New Hampshire, USA! I don’t think anyone is doing the content you’ve recently dropped. Your raw, no-holds-barred monolog is refreshing. Thank you for your educational content, I appreciate it so very much and I know that you will save lives with this content. See you in a year or so on the open blue and here’s wishing you fair winds and restful sailing.

[@andypdq]

A simple mechanical injection diesel with no fancy electronic engine management system,and a good reliability reputation is the way to go.

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

@@andypdq 👍🏻 Ford Lehman 80hp

[@milanmarinkovic3016]

@@andypdq And installed with easy access from all sides, not tucked somewhere under the stairs as an after thought. Best in apart engine room, if boat is big enough. Other wise in the middle of the saloon, easily accessible and centralised and low weight.

[@ufodude1000]

I put a tractor engine in my boat cheap parts

[@SailingWorldonWater]

You also didn't mention that most of the KZbinrs are not competent sailors. Usually RVers who buy boats. Thanks for this series Thomas. Legend

[@tonyhalsall3170]

This is all about risk Thomas. It is not just in the sailing environment where some people don’t carry what I call “common sense insurance.” The people in life who tend to make sure that the cards are stacked in their favour might not have the most exciting or dramatic stories, but they tend to live to tell their stories. Having options is what it is all about.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your wise words 🙏🏻 All the best

[@mark211257]

Sensible words, 👍🇬🇧 I cringe when I watch some channels

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

Redundancies

[@Andre-yu3qs]

Don't forget that for 99.99% of the sailing channels on KZbin, 30 knots of wind is a storm or 5 metre waves a monster! Thanks for sharing.

[@SailingwithThomas]

True but this is also related to what most channels have been sailing. This is the purpose of my illustrations with the waves showing how perspective changes depending on what angles you observe it from. What feels like a storm in a 35 is a nice sunny day out sailing a 55 Thank you so much for being here🙏🏻

[@captainjimolchs]

@@SailingwithThomas So you think that sailing in less than 50 feet is foolish?

[@will5989]

@@captainjimolchs I think Thomas has stated quite clearly it’s whatever you & your equipment is up to within a margin of safety.

[@captainjimolchs]

@@will5989 But his comment compared 55 to 30. Is he saying that he needs more to feel comfortable?

[@will5989]

@@captainjimolchs No, I think he’s simply stating that a larger boat literally provides greater comfort and safety in larger seas. Of course I can’t read his mind, but at least to me, that seems to be the point he’s making.

[@mattipollari8905]

I appreciate your honesty- and agree. My current vessel has a wind generator, water generator and a great Volvo diesel. The rib has a two stroke engine so I can lift it when required. My supplementary power is used to keep my batteries charged when I am away and at anchor- if conditions permit! You have a great channel Thomas!

[@GregoryStrauss-tk7pe]

Note to self, ... don't get drunk on the green magical drinks....😂😂😂😂😂...great sense of humor Thomas....

[@SailingwithThomas]

You know you can’t sail properly without a good rum punch! 🍹The green stuff just makes you…. Oh well you know 😆 Thank you for watching 🙏🏻

[@RNVOS]

Tomas you always have are safety in mind! Good on you for being honest! ❤ from 🇨🇦 BC

[@dancarter482]

I saw a wonderful little film of a _Folkboat_ with electric motor on a short passage where they had to run a noisy petrol generator and eventually change course and put in somewhere way off the intended route to get more petrol!!

[@SailingwithThomas]

This is the reality for every single “fully electric” I have met on my way. If they showed it they where at least transparent 👍🏻 Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@dancarter482]

@@SailingwithThomas I remember _Uma_ having to put their noisy generator on the foredeck to try and avoid the noise and fumes when they were struggling to make headway!! I got stranded in the Gulf of Mexico having refueled in _Cozumel_ and being sold contaminated diesel after we refused to pay a bribe - that was bad enough! _CHEERS!_

[@seagull4800]

some people get away with it, as people have since antiquity, but things happen, you could die because you don't have one, I had a board get stuck, wind died, current picked up, drifted helplessly toward rocks. its easy to get into big trouble without one, that one would have saved you from and delivered you from. it can save your life.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your experience. I’m pretty confident in the statement removing engine from the equation is 1 major safety element lost.

[@seandepagnier]

and those same people drive dingy without oars, and dont carry epirb and sailing sinkable boats yet swear the engine is more important for safety. In reality, a fast boat without an engine that can out sail weather systems is already safer than a slow one with an engine that cannot but the majority of people choose slow boats with engines that often break down.

[@jobertvangool9961]

I fully agree with you about the beard, Thomas, but your track record is more than enough evidence your opinion does not fall out of the sky, at least that’s my opinion! Keep up the good work! 😂

[@SailingwithThomas]

HA HA😆👍🏻 Thank you so much for watching and your support 🙏🏻

[@drewmillerful]

100% agree with you thomas. Even if electric boat had the range, the cost and complexity doesn't make sense compared to a reliable diesel marine engine. Like you say normally not much diesel is used each year on a sailboat but it is important to have the ability to motor a when it's needed

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your comment 🙏🏻 It makes absolutely no sense with hybrid either, if you take the added complexity and extreme costs for average sailor. You will never be able to defend such investment. All the best

[@will5989]

@@drewmillerful *Never mind the weight of the batteries you carry around on each & every voyage.

[@GregoryStrauss-tk7pe]

'... just because it's possible does not mean it's intelligent....', profoundly wise words...🙏💯⚓⛵🌟🏆👍😀

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

Not wise but an opinion

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for being here🙏🏻 It’s evidence based science. Not opinions some would claim. I have worked with preparedness and risk management. This was one of the takeaways from my former carrier. All the best

[@Matt-e4x]

The iron jib (engine), can get you out of ugly situations.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Yes it’s hard to argue against this fact! Thank you so much for watching and for being here🙏🏻

[@captainjimolchs]

Good seamanship will keep you out of them.

[@kev-the-windsurfer.]

Great video!! Proper sailing channel!!

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your kind comment, I'm happy you enjoyed the video.

[@Jim-jh9bd]

Agree 100% some like Uma and Beau & Brandy sailing have electric and have just been lucky on longer passages . When you have a range of under 40 KM . You do not have enough for currents and no wind. It affects how they sail as well

[@Sailorboynumberone]

Hello Thomas! My long time hero is Kevin from How To Sail Oceans. And you are Norwegian! I'm sure you work for an oil company!!! Haha, joke aside. Thank you for shedding light on these things. I wanted to go full electric, and you have made it clear that I can concentrate on other things. Thanks Again.

[@PaulWetStuff]

For the reasons you have given I've gone for 2 electric outboards (2 x 10hp) for my 43 foot catamaran.. I'm replacing an old unreliable 30hp diesel with sail drive with a new 30hp diesel. It's for all of those serious safety situations. It has 125A alternator which will be useful for charging the 30kWh combineed 12V and 48V batteries. I have 3kW of solar to put all over my decks to speed up charging in those no wind times. While it's twice the engine hardware. It does have the advantage of the best of both worlds.

[@roadboat9216]

I carried 270 gallons of diesel fuel on my 46’ ketch. And that’s without jugs. Didn’t need jugs.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Epic! Most production yachts comes with to small diesel capacity in my opinion. I am lucky having a big capacity, and also space in my tender garage to carry extra. I prefer to have the capacity of at least 50% of my passage by engine in case of emergency

[@louisavondart9178]

Dear Thomas, as someone who normally sails backwards while drunk, I can concur that getting around the world without an engine is harder than talking Mermaids into giving you a tow. That normally takes at least three magical green drinks. Each. I don't know about petrol outboard engines though. I rode my motorcycle into a lake once and it stopped working almost immediately. But maybe that's just my bad luck. Did I tell you that I've sailed around Cape Horn NO times at all and that time I was blown inside out? But, I'm sure I could travel the world without an engine if I could only learn how to untie the boat from the marina. However, I can get a litre of beer for only $4.00 at the club bar so why would I ? Congratulations on another fine episode. Cheers....

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Love your humor and thank you so much for being here! It’s obvious you actually watched this video 🙏🏻 Enjoy the cold ones and have a great weekend 🍻

[@nottoolatetofly371]

Thomas, your channel has become one of my absolute favorites. You call it as you see it, and I have yet to find anything I don’t agree with. On the twin rudders I had a different opinion before your video, but realized that it was not based on any reality, after watching. As for this topic about the engines and the green dream, you are spot on. Unfortunately you are going to upset a lot of people who have bought into the green agenda, but please keep going and say it as you see it. It is a breath of fresh air!!!

[@nooneanybodyknows7912]

I'm not getting drunk on the green magical drink or buying the 🐂💩 they are selling, either. Even Captain Rick has changed his mind on the electric outboard he tried, liked at first, and then discovered its pitfalls. Thanks for sharing your experience and honest viewpoints. 🍻

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your comment as well🙏🏻 Yeah I have been mocking Rick a lot for his Electric dinghy when we spent some time together. It’s a cool thing, but no range and to slow. Also I believe the constant hassle of charging and the power consumption even at his floating power plant was a challenge. Have not discussed this with him though. But has more power and solar onboard than most sailors out there. All the best ⛵️

[@MiQBohlin]

C'mon folks and give this crazy guy at least a thumbs up! 👍🏽 After all his efforts making and sharing videos, from remote places, on your favourite subject, he's worth a 👍🏽 don't ya think?

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much my friend 🙏🏻

[@will5989]

I always do 🇭🇰.

[@captainjimolchs]

His title was sailing without an engine, then talks of electric, hybrid, and anchoring. I feel betrayed.

[@rolandstockham1905]

I know you focus on ocean sailing but just wanted to add that these days even coastal sailing without an engine is becoming impossible. I sailed the west coast of the UK for some years without an engine but that was 45 years ago, Since then the seas have seen an increase in traffic and harbours have changed. Back then sailing into an anchorage was generally fine, now it would be full of morning buoys and other boats so you simply wouldn't have space. The other issue is that out to sea you always have the option to hove too or lay a-hull close to the coast this could put you on the beach, the less sea room you have the more you need the engine.

[@SailingwithThomas]

I completely agree, the sailing world has changed significantly in the last 45 years. Thank you so much for pointing this out. Even approaching anchorage full of fishing gears and lots of things making it seriously challenging. Thank you so much for watching and for your valid inputs here! Very much appreciated 🙏🏻

[@stevenbodum3405]

i only have a 26ft boat, but a good diesel engine and a oversized anchor are safty for me.

[@SailingwithThomas]

It’s basic sailing safety 101! Thank you so much for watching and for being here🙏🏻

[@Grand-paws]

Chris did a nice shout out for your channel! But by all means he is the most rudest dude on KZbin. I’ve been watching him for a couple years. I agree with this topic 100% you need a motor you nailed it with the safety issues

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching, and for your comment. The shoutout for sure has given many new subscribers. For this I’m very thankful 🙏🏻

[@markthomasson5077]

Thomas, thanks, all good points. Though I think they apply more to larger boats, like yours, than smaller more easily sailed boats, where an engine is a significant load and there is no way you can carry sufficient fuel to motor hundreds of miles. That said, How to sail oceans is one of my favourite channels. No engine…gaff rig…..lots of skill. I am of the view that in a sailing boat you first learn sailing skills, how to manoeuvre, anchor etc in all conditions, under sail. Otherwise you are a motor sailor, as most are. When you watch so many KZbin sailing channels folk end up on very expensive complicated boats, and spend more time fixing stuff than sailing. They even rely on electric winches to operate sails etc. Ask yourself what happens when you are hit by an electric storm which takes all your electrics out. Be prepared, as advised by Emerald Steel, always anchor with a double reefed main, so you can sail out of trouble. Sure if you have the cash, (and a big boat) get a brand new Yanmar inboard. That said I think hybrid, electric propulsion with a diesel generator will be the future for larger boats, with freezers, dishwashers etc. ..but I have to admit for the sailing I do a motor is pretty much essential. I am 10 miles up a Scottish loch with two tidal gates. On small boats, engines are always smelly, noisy and intrusive. I do like the idea of a smooth quiet electric motor, being able to make even a couple of knots on a calm summer day. I do hear of sailors who have converted to all electric and cruise extensively and are happy with their choice.

[@iam57yearsold]

Good show Thomas, thanks. Ontario, Canada.

[@christophrenner7941]

Thanks for the illustrations and the storm overview at 16:52 . Haven't seen that before so compressed and complete 🗯

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much 🙏🏻 I made that illustration for a video about how to understand weather and to best plan your circle navigation. Might have to finish that video one day

[@Andre-yu3qs]

Jimmy Cornell was also going to prove that he could sail on a 100% electric circumnavigation, the journey on the catamaran started in south of France and was abandoned in Gibraltar! It just doesn't work!

[@SailingwithThomas]

I was not aware about that, but he is definitely a man worth listening to. An icon within sailing that knows more than any living sailor. Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏻

[@Andre-yu3qs]

@@SailingwithThomas he's definitely a sailing guru!

[@kruzweg3860]

I was very fortunated to have the opportunity to speak in person with Jimmy Cornell twice in the last years. And yes after I asked him what would be his preferred boat in his next adventure, he told me that if, despite of his now very advanced age, he would consider an expedition again, it would be a Garcia with a diesel engine 😊

[@seandepagnier]

because jimmy does not sail in harbors. he never learned to sail in tight harbors in strong winds. A decent boat can tack in a channel width of 3 times the boat length.

[@kellycarney8485]

Great episode! Before I bought my bav46e I dreamed of an all electric system while drunk on green cool aid. After crewing on a boat that needed to out run a storm, I got it. Several times my Volvo/Penta has compensated for my navigational and weather forecasting opportunities. Perhaps those perusing hybrid systems will have better luck. I like the regenerative aspect of an electric motor. From a safety perspective if you’re doing longer trips where the weather forecasts are less accurate, diesel is critical.

[@roneberle8954]

Thank you Capt'n Thomas In Reality diesel is a Divine Gift for us to use. Net Zero is totally Anti Divine: and exactly that: zero economy, zero energy, no go anywhere, no safety when needed, no sanity! All poverty. Sail on sailor. Capt'n Ron

[@PeterS-r4o]

Isn't the ability to use our intelligence to understand the world around us and how it works - and to use that knowledge to avoid potentially disasterous consequences a 'Divine Gift' as well ?

[@raibtube]

We need more channels like yours explaining the facts that debunk those youtube charlatans. Thank you so much for sharing your point of view!

[@kspo193]

I'd be curious to hear your opinion on in-mast furling versus a conventional main.

[@SailingwithThomas]

This is a question you will receive just as many different answers to as the people you ask. It for sure has some advantages and I do only have good experience with it. Sometimes I wish I had it. But for long distance solo sailor simple solutions are better, even though a furling is easier to sail with. But if it’s jammed you have a big challenge. I guess it’s just as many positive things as negative on both solutions. End of the day maintenance is key. Thank you so much for being here🙏🏻

[@Ole-vu9yj]

The first German single-handed circumnavigator, Wilfried Erdmann, sailed around the world several times without an engine. It was not until 2015 (at an advanced age) that he treated his ship 'Kathena Nui' to a 14 hp engine.

[@robinstepanek1345]

I like the way you share your experiences with much common sense. Our 1978 DownEast carriers 100 gallons of diesel and uses about 2 liters an hour at 1800rpm. We only need to refuel every 3-4 months as long as we don’t mind going 3-4 knots😛 But if we need it to run in no wind or really bad weather or get in an out of marina with current we have it as backup for our safety and know it is always an option. Having options can be a lifesaver in ocean conditions. Keep up the great videos, I always learn something from them- thank you!

[@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck]

Thomas. One point I am not clear on. Do I need a generator? Can I not just use my diesel to recharge my batteries. It seems to be a better use of precious design fuel... recharging and moving the boat with same gallon of fuel. I do not plan to cross oceans but coastal cruising is in the future hopefully

[@SailingwithThomas]

Hi there, you definatly do not need a generator. Today you can have serious effective alternators that will provide you with the electricity you need. Also this comes with a cost though, and main reason why many bigger yachts have generator is sound and vibration is significant less than running your main engine. Also you save engine hours on your more expencive engine. At least when in bigger yachts. But yes I would say it is a huge advantage running generator from the same fuel system as your main engine. I have had lots of problems in the past with my generator before I found out what was wrong with it. So I do have a fair amount of experience being depended on a petrol generator. Very noicy and restricted in use due to either weather or the fact you dont wanna drive your neighbours nuts. Also the average portable petrol generators are not that powerful comared to a proper diesel generator. When running my generator I do lots of things simultaniously to save hours and fuel. I run watermaker and charge batteries whilst doing vacum cleaning and lots of other things. So it do have its benefits with a solid power on demand solution. And it doesent burn as much diesel either, and by far more fuel efficient than even 4 stroke petrol generators. Thank you so much for being here

[@jackdbur]

You would want to have 2 alternators on your engine both high capacity. Liquid cooled is definitely better. 😊 This is because your runs will probably be short and you want to get the maximum amount of Charge in a short time, this will also help with loading up your engine if you charge your batteries on anchor.

[@Frog13799]

How does the yarn go? "You haven't been cruising untill you have given the Pardey's a tow into port"

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆 Well I have towed quite a few sailors, some with a KZbin channel as well. All I can say it’s often a bit of a distance from what you see to what’s the reality. Cheers 🍻

[@erlinghaugnes8481]

Thanks again, for your honest point of view.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your kind comment 🙏🏻

[@johnmajewski1065]

Hello Thomas, you have once again done a very instructive video! Who knows how many lives, boats and egos this will save? I never considered moving my boat if there was an engine less one near me. You’re experience through observation are very welcoming! Thanks SV Skoiern lV

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words! If I manage to point sailors in some directions for independent thinking and broaden perspective I am very happy.

[@kruzweg3860]

Hi Thomas, it is always a pleasure to watch you videos full of knowledge. I like it because even as an experienced sailor I consider myself there is in every video a take home message. At the moment it seems that you are on a war path with the usual sailing KZbin bullshitters and click-baiters. Unfortunately even you with tons of experience will not be able to win this war. The KZbin system prefers the bullshitter because he/she creates heeps of content. Shouting out loud especially when it is bullshit seems to be the common sense these days. We have seen this in politics recently 😁 Two things from my standpoint of view why you are right here with the two main claims of your video: 1. you need an engine. There is no good reason to give out hands a major safety tool. Even if you rarely use a motor in your usual sailtrips, there will be the time one day when your life will depend on it. And there is a good reason why most Mediterranean harbors refuse sailboats without an engine. 2. still it is my in full silence kept dream to see the first reliable carbonic-energy free sailboat one day. No more waiting at gas stations any more, no more impellers to change, a.s.o. But yes, true, unfortunately you are right: at the moment there is not one single electrical system designed for a category Class A sailboat that would not need a Fisher Panda or else as a backup. Some first catamarans are now out with an Oceanvolt system or else, but always either as a mixed engine design or with a generator. The limitation factor here is still the same as in the car industry: the transport of heavy batteries is ineffective and the recharge is the key element for reach. And looking more closely to other KZbin channels where the owners did a conversion, you always detect the same downsides of these electrical propulsion systems. Either they have to undergo a lot of compromises (not to speak of the horrific costs of the conversation, including batteries and solar panels). Or they have an at the end ineffizient electrical generator, where they could have kept their diesel engine for half of the investment and running costs. I hope you keep doing your very informative videos, even if some bullshitters are not happy with it😁 But that‘s the way she goes 😁 Always fair winds! Mitch

[@alexforget]

Yes. So many with jump on this with Delos, Wynns, and many other youtubers. It's expensive, risky and impossible to fix or change in remote locations. Compare to an outboard that is cheap, available, easy to swap. I have see so many stranded or that just stopped crusing and brought they boat to specialist for month to get them fixed. If you want to sail, you want simple and classic stuff, things you can fix with tape and bits of wire.

[@FatGuyInaTruck]

The Wynns at least have diesel engines they can use.

[@sails3538]

Delos has a diesel too......

[@alexforget]

@@sails3538 Yes, that kind of make sense. I think you could skip the electric propulsion, save a lot of money and trouble. The quiet propulsion it probably cool for small things, anchor, docking, etc.

[@alexforget]

@@FatGuyInaTruck Yes, the electric regeneration didn't work very well, compromise between propulsion and generation. I think a lighning strike will be very expensive on this boat and will be impossible to fix in the middle of nowere. This is very common in the warms oceans. I have look into this with my last boat (EE engineer) my conclusion is that a huge and expensive battery bank is was not worth half a day of motoring with the tiny outboard I had. The only positive is the noise reduction, that must be great.

[@SailingwithThomas]

@alexforget thank you so much for being here🙏🏻 Lots of good points! Many seem to forget the re generate is something new revolutionary invention. It even existed when I was teenager. It has been more efficient and extremely expensive. Yet the tech and pro & cons still the same.

[@susan319]

thank you sooooo much for the education. we need to hear the truth!!! Some will make their decision but at leadt you have gone to the trouble to try to educate. Fantastic video Thomas thank you so much and keep this kind coming. Be safe

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your kind words 🙏🏻 Safety is nothing to play with. I’m not gonna talk people out of doing things, that’s not my mission in life. But if I can contribute to see things from different perspectives helping to question things it’s something good. At least that’s what I believe in. But some things are for a fact, and offshore you are left alone. My Diesel engine also double as a powerful bilge pump that can run nonstop for 10 days. In most cases this would been sufficient to stay afloat and either make repairs or reach land. Thank you so much for being here

[@bobcornwell403]

I think you have really good arguments that date back to almost 100 years ago. John C. Hanna was making them back then. Nowadays, with just about every anchorage crowded with fellow cruisers, your arguments are stronger than ever. Now, there is a bit of social responsibility thrown in. That being said, an electric boat, with a generous amount of solar capacity, is not as helpless in an extended calm, as one may think. The solar power could get them maybe 20 nm per day. This isn't much, but it's better than just sitting there. I think certain types of boats may be more suitable for this sort of propulsion than others. Huge, light-displacement boats, such as yours, are not good candidates. I see an engine as having a very ornery crew member aboard, who uses up more than his share of the stores, cusses a lot, and demands constant attention. But, this very same crew member has your back in a real emergency. My favorite KZbinr boat was Redaviva. It's engine was under the settee seat, not crammed beneath the companion way. It was very easy to get too to work on. And every KZbin sailor I have ever watched, who had an engine, was working on it constantly. I don't know your situation. But it seems you are financially well off enough to afford this giant yacht. Maybe you should do a video on how you manage that.

[@Rob-r2s]

That Tetris example was really funny especially the play again for double or nothing challenge.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆 Thank you so much 🙏🏻 It was a shitt show in one anchorage inspiring me to make this. Just unbelievable! Thank you so much for watching and for being here

[@desertchild3550]

Unless you know what you do. I meet a couple many years ago who sailed twice around the World without a engine and they continued to sail for another 5 years without it till they sold the yacht.

[@SailingwithThomas]

It’s totally doable but as you correctly point out it for sure requires above average knowledge and understanding. However it’s for a fact even though it’s possible it doesn’t mean it’s the way to go. I have also met several and they often become a burden to others. However the main problem in my opinion is you have removed one significant part of your safety options. This alone is stronger arguments than anything. If you loose your rig you are out of option, and will be depending on being rescued by others. Thank you so much for watching and for being here

[@desertchild3550]

@@SailingwithThomas I agree,but then also,we are from the old school. That was the days long before floating solar stations

[@chrisleigh-jones5492]

We have a twin engine modern explorer yacht fitted with 6.5kW of solar array. The reality of solar is maximum 1.5kW peak and about 8kW.H even when optimised for the installation. The idea that this is sufficient to power her is laughable. Whereas its useful I would not consider it as anything other than an add on. From direct experience I thoroughly agree with the sentiment of this video. Well said.

[@wayupnorth8367]

It is better to sail thinking we don't have an engine, then to sail wishing we had one.

[@billwilliams9527]

Thomas, very good sir.

[@SailingwithThomas]

It’s good to be appreciated, thank you so much for being here🙏🏻

[@sailingsandy7971]

Just subscribed to your channel, love your style 😊 Totally agree and I would go as far as to say that even hybrid systems do not make sense even from an enviromental perspective, let alone all the compromises you have to make (system complexity, added weight, reliability, lower performance, how do you get things fixed remotely). I did not know about the Panama Canal min speed requirement. Learnt something new and have never heard anyone else mention this

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video! The Panama Canal is a good example of what I'm talking about, regulations are quite strict and can be impossible to follow when you are limited to only sailing. I'm not trying to talk people out of following their dreams, only trying to help their dreams to become more realistic and hopefully safer. The hybrid solutions were not a topic here because many struggle to separate this from the "fully electric" nonsense. But totally agree with you a modern serial hybrid makes absolutely no sense for the average sailor. It's an incredibly expensive alternative to something that's working. The benefit such a complex solution brings to the table can not defend the added costs, nor the footprint in total CO2eq if people want to be honest. In my opinion, hybrid solutions are the fast track to keep ordinary sailors off the market to buy a new yacht. Who wants to buy something costing 100K more with extremely small benefits besides the illusion of going green? In my humble opinion,n it can not defend its place, and it is experiential tech for those enjoying this. But when it comes to offshore sailing you want more reliable and simple solutions. But hey if people can afford it and want to play with the newest tech why not.

[@jiggydrones367]

I learned a lot. Thanks.

[@SailingwithThomas]

I am glad you learned something new, I hope it helps you make informed choices for your own sailing adventures! Thank you for being here

[@MikeSantis]

Your videos are getting better and better Thomas. You are putting a lot of effort. I really hope your channel will grow even more. Thank you for your expertise and honesty, and for this video as well. Fair winds.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and your kind words. Yes videos like this takes a ridiculous amount of time to make, and I often feel the challenge where to draw the line in details and information. So I am very thankful to see its appreciated. Thank you

[@MikeSantis]

@@SailingwithThomas Making videos my self I pretty much know the amount of time taking. Thank you for doing that. Maybe the reward will be big, carry on!

[@SailingwithThomas]

@MikeSantis Thank you so much 🙏🏻 Then you know the amount of hours needed for such videos more than most people

[@MikeSantis]

@@SailingwithThomas you can bet I know and my appreciation is huge.

[@gregsage1605]

Rocky leeward shore, strong unfriendly currents, no wind..... I love my reliable engine. I like my back up plan with a strong outboard on my dingy too. And when the winds are right and sails are full, I like keeping them in reserve.

[@bishopkinlyside8477]

Hi Thomas I agree 100% with you I think it’s absolutely ridiculous for sale around the world or even post or sailing without a diesel engine I wouldn’t trust electric motors Here in Australia, there was a big Push to get electric cars 🚗 I wouldn’t buy one or even if you give me one I have no interest in it I just did it for 1715 km in two days driving an electric car would be just a nightmare , Just like an electric motor on a yacht and most and carry a generator with them is going green is a joke ever electric car catches on fire you have no chances are putting it out and I believe would be the sectors same with the yacht you don’t know chance to put it out anyway keep up the good work maybe I’m old-fashioned Cliff from Logan city, Queensland, Australia 🇦🇺 i’m on the big island 🏝️

[@danoalex2977]

The British rule the seas, but Viking had their moment lol

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆 True! They forgot to think big. Guess they where happy with what they had and partied it all away with woman’s beers and loud music! Cheers

[@norml.hugh-mann]

wanna compare Navies with the US?

[@danoalex2977]

@ Vikings are like thugs

[@danoalex2977]

@in history, Norway is a woman

[@danoalex2977]

@ Norway is a lil backwater

[@rickcreel3657]

I had a young friend who thought you could stand in a metal wash tub and pull yourself off the ground and be suspended in the air. So when he tried it the rusty bottom ripped out of the tub and he was left holding the sides around himself. Diesel engines are too reliable and the fuel is lighter than many battery banks. The problem with modern diesel engines is all of the electronic controls. The Mack Trucks had air starters and a drill motor battery could supply all of the energy that is needed to turn the engine over. Modern automobiles don't need a heavy battery if they had an air starter.

[@Antipodean33]

I wonder how they sailed for 1000's of years before the internal combustion engine was invented?

[@sleethmitchell]

some people will tell you putting out to sea is not all that intelligent. by 'intelligent', they mean 'safe'.

[@sanderdol1]

Thanks for sharing your wisdom, again :)

[@Ken-fe4cg]

Wise words Thomas!

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for being here and for your kind feedback

[@crestedtern1390]

Warning, the rabbit hole is not ready for truth.😂😂

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆 Good one! Thank you so much for being here

[@darthkek1953]

Sailing on electric is not the problem or issue, sailing on BATTERY ONLY is the issue. There is no issue if you have a genset and diesel. A Silent Yacht crossed the Atlantic... but they had the generator running 24/7.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Correct! But that’s a different ballgame than claiming to be 100% electric. Diesel electric has been around for long time. Several offshore vessels use this solutions with pod systems. Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@surfart5448]

I really like 'Be Free'. I have spent 56 years working for someone else to enjoy life, not me! I listened to the BF theme song and danced to it because it felt natural to do so, in the second verse I stopped and decided to retire, go surfing, get laid, have a couple of beers and talk some shit. More people killed by a claw hammer than a n electric wiener

[@rickpyne]

It is a well known fact that all it takes to own a yacht is "Money". How many "Utube" vids feature novice sailors and complete in-experience? We witness so many near catastophies and foolish errors on the water, its hard understand how some survive. In Australia we have to be self sufficient, with many back-up systems in place to make sure we can get out of trouble without having to rely on being rescued, A reliable engine is one of these systems. There are many Yacht clubs in the world and their goal is to promote the sport of Sailing. Having competed in many Southern Ocean races, the rules and recommendations having to be complied to are all about safety. I always say before you buy, go to your local Yacht club and sail with some experienced sailors to learn basics. A reliable engine is one of the most basic facts of safety at sea. Electric motor? Not yet, maybe in 10 years. I hope people watch your video and learn from your sailing experience. Thank you Thomas

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for your well reflected comment as well. I have seen so much, and even lost several sailor friends over the last years. It always surprised how brave some are, but maybe not so educated. Thank you so much for being here 🙏🏻

[@sinan1752]

Over 3000 years of sailing without engine against 100 years with😊

[@nottoolatetofly371]

And 3000 years of people having an extremely high risk of never getting home again. Is that what you are arguing for? Ridiculous. What about 3000 years of walking or riding an animal agains 100 years of internal combustion mobility?

[@SailingwithThomas]

Yes and sometimes I wish I could travel in time to get a first hand experience. But when being out here sailing I’m always thankful for having my strong Yanmar below deck. It has served me extremely well with zero issues since leaving Europe⛵️ Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@HikerBikerMoter]

@@sinan1752 w/out engine, w/out gps, w/out weather reports, w/out sat-phone, w/out insurance, w/out citrus, .. and the countless who died because they did without ü

[@laurapitre5797]

Ever wonder why there were so many shipwrecks before the diesel engine was invented??

[@Garo48]

@@sinan1752 your point being?

[@onsdag2k]

i charge about 1-2 kw a day in the summer and that runs my freezer, lights and charge my phones and pads, well now its winter, yesterday's total charge was 10w 🙄 thank god for my diesel engine that will charge my bann and get me out of a bad situation 😎

[@robinmalina2645]

👍👍👍❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎👍👍👍exactly right..... it is just a fashion to pretend green and sell something expensive

[@Lio-OG]

All mounted electrical engines are hybrid and combined with a generator.... 1 hour to 1 and half hour range with electrical engine, that's it, then you need to load up your batteries. Electrical engines are made for docking in marinas ! You need to have a lightweight performance boat for electrical engine, a modern race boat can manage electric engine due to its performance under sails ! Thomas is right !

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

Hi What is your honest thought about having your 2 stroke outboard that literally pumps it's exhaust and lubricating oil out with the cooling water. Well mixed you use probably 50:1. So every 50 gallons of outboard gasoline used you pump 1 gallon of oil into the world's oceans.

[@SailingwithThomas]

My honest thoughts about that is you then have a problem! Normally the symptoms your pointing at indicates serious failures or wear internal to the engine, such as excessively worn, valve guides, worn or broken piston rings, failed head gasket, etc. So my take on this is that’s not good at all. Thank you so much for watching

[@ottifantiwaalkes9289]

@@SailingwithThomas what? I was asking about your two stroke outboard motor. No valves there. Normal use with perfect functioning and running engine pumps oil into oceans.

[@hurdurdur7rl696]

My lake sailing boat is 100% electric. But that's on a lake, a safe environment. I would not take that to big seas.

[@casmms8362]

Fantastisk og er helt enige med deg, hilsen fra Stavanger

[@SailingwithThomas]

Tusen takk! Sender en varm hilsen tilbake fra Indonesia

[@KeepItSimpleSailor]

Smaller boats of 8 to 10m or so can easily operate very safely without an engine. This really comes down to the boat and sailor. Your disdain of small boat sailors is misplaced, and fails to acknowledge the beauty of low cost entry for those with limited means or a high desire for simplicity. Most sailors will however be best served with a sailboat with an adequately sized mechanical injection diesel engine. An engine with heaps of electronics wouldn’t be my choice if possible.

[@jackdbur]

@@KeepItSimpleSailor Which are not boats that most would circumnavigate in these are totally useless and Dangerous in south-east Asia!

[@markthomasson5077]

@@jackdbur explain

[@kimmacdonald8873]

I have been designing solar systems for 32 yrs in Africa and would not put to sea without a good diesel engine. no chance. The remote game lodges and islands we have have installed upto 150Kw all have diesel generators for the occasions of no sun or an issue with the solar plant.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thanks for the real-world perspective, I think it really shines a light on the importance of reliable backup power. Also out at the big blue you are left alone. Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@helgejnakken4116]

Veldig poengtert og tydelig Thomas, og som noen her har kommentert, så kan det hende at det berger liv. I alle fall får man noe å tenke på.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Tusen takk Helge 🙏🏻 Det er noen temaer som er fine å dele som bare er feelgood og meninger. Men når det kommer til sikkerhet tror jeg på å være så tydelig som mulig. Tusen takk for at du er her 🙏🏻

[@sempertalis1230]

Well the important point here is to look for all the guys who did not make it without engines. The few who succeed should not be your guideline. On the otherhand look how many with an engine made it without big problems. Then ask yourself if you feel lucky ( Punk) 😂

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆👏🏻👏🏻 Yes I feel lucky! That storm I had could blow my head clean off… to stay with your references Man I have seen and helped lots of dreamers over the years. It’s totally crazy sometimes. Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@theovanstaden5766]

Nice video! i live on the east coast of south africa, You right, better be safe out there!

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻 It’s not so easy to just pull over and wait for help out at the big blue. Thank you for being here

[@theovanstaden5766]

@@SailingwithThomas Thank You for the Reply! Love watching Your videos!

[@Glaucidius]

Reacting to your intro: While I'm not sure that age alone generates wisdom, being old at least proves that you were able to survive for many years. In my case not trying to circumnavigate the world in a sailboat my have helped in that. 😂 Should I consider me wise?

[@SailingwithThomas]

I would say you are smarter than me 😆👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Great comment! Thank you so much for being here🙏🏻

[@peterwhite7252]

Unless you are Captain James Cook.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha ha😆 I guess his value of life’s and my views on safety are on opposite ends of the scales😆 Chers

[@sails3538]

No engine is a hazard to navigation. Electric is ok if you have the generator that will run the electric motors. Remember, with electric you can not get away from the marine architects formula of 2 to 4 HP per tone of boat. 2 HP is an absolute minimum and for coastal sailing only.

[@IWANVOLLEBREGT]

After doing a Atlantic circuit this year on my own boat with generator solar wind power, you are RIGHT! 100%!

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your experience as well 🙏🏻 Much appreciated

[@Leonwhu73]

New viewer. You sailing a 55ft solo?

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for coming this way🙏🏻 Yes I’m most of the time sailing solo and BE FREE is a 55. I had a girlfriend first part of the pacific, but from Tahiti to Indonesia solo again. Many many thousand of miles solo here. Ever since even before KZbin and before sailing what I’m sailing now⛵️

[@sailingin-tuitionwithchuck]

Also another great video

[@milanmarinkovic3016]

"..... sailing without engine... " People did it for thousands of years. Captain Cook sailed all over the Pacific and drew very precise charts of Australian coasts and many islands that were used until 1970's. Using very simple equipment. Sextant, compass, lead line for depth and sort of bottom measurements. British Navy hold naval blockade of France for years during Napoleonic wars. Through all seasons. In some of the most dangerous seas on the planet, like Biscay Bay in the winter. And closer to us, "Tres Hombres", 30 meters long, engineless brigantine, crosses Atlantic from the Netherlands to the Caribbean and back, carrying cargo each year för the last 15 years. All of these ships were/ are much more cumbersome, more difficult to manouver and sail to windword badly, compared to the light weight, fin keeled, high aspect ratio rig, yacht. Yet they did / do it. There are a lot of traditional skills, part of the training of sailors during the age of sailing ships, that are worth learning and preserving. And what could be a better way to do it then engineless sailing. I wouldn't do it, but I understand people who are doing it. I met people who run "Fair Trade" company. (Tres Hombres and one or two other sailing ships). They are very experienced, capable and certified as captains of modern merchant ships and square rigged sailing ships of unlimited tonnage for unlimited ocean sailing.

[@laurapitre5797]

@@milanmarinkovic3016 just because it's possible doesn't make it smart or practical.

[@milanmarinkovic3016]

​@@laurapitre5797 "...... practical....." Different people, different tastes. Some are finding pleasure in high teach, shiny , most modern and most complex equipment and technology. Others in simplicity. Most basic and natural DIY stuff. Depending on their own skills. As self sufficient as possible. Escaping modern world. Depending on the intuition and instincts in place of technology. These are two extremes.. Most are somewhere in between. Oceans are big enough for all.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Sorry but from my point of view your arguments are just not valid. Removing engine from the safety equations is like saying only some decades ago people where sailing around the world just fine without EPIRB. Even though it was invented in the 50s it was not put in commercial use before mid 80s. When it become more affordable it even reached the smarter part of the sailing community. Only in 2010 alone EPIRB saved 2388 lives spread out on 641 distress situations. Yes its totally possible to sail without it, but its also plain stupid. Back in the romantic days of sail ships people died like flies! Starving, running out of water, ending on coral reefs, sinking in the middle of oceans. Man you need to get your stories straight. Only one ship Zoya killed 130 of their slaves being stuck in the doldrums running out of food and water. How many disasters in total we do not have good and valid data on, but it was far from as romantic as many believes. Going without engine is still possible, so is riding a motorbike without helmet. All the best

[@milanmarinkovic3016]

​​@@SailingwithThomas "....starving..... dying like flies..... not as romantic....." True. I know that. All things maritime, sailing,.... are life long passion of mine. I read a lot of maritime history among the other things. I am a Dutch. We have a lot of very well preserved original history accounts, archives, voyage diaries, ship building books, ect, ect. For the most part available to the interested public. There is also beautiful professional merchant marine school in Enkhuizen. for education of officers for merchant ships and for square rigged sailing ships. They have a very nice library with many original books, charts and instruments from the age of sail. I spent many hours there. And I finished course for the captain of the sailing ships with tonnage of 500 tons max. in coastal waters. I sail quite a lot, locally, no ocean passages yet. On different boats/vessels, modern and traditional. A lot of deaths on the sea in previous centuries, were result of poor hygiëne, malnutrition, lack of vitamines, exposure, bad clothing, bad treatment of the crews, pioniring voyages in unknown, unchartered waters. Not really the case for present day sailors who choose to sail without an engine. It seems relatively easy to do on the smaller, modern boat. Say 30 feet water line or so, where boat and equipment are quite light and forces involved relatively small. Confined coastal waters are bigger challenge then open sea. But confined waters are also doable. With patiance, good anchors and good rowing dinghy. Long sweep or yulloh. Defensive sailing. Anticipation. If I would go to sail around the world solo, I would like to do it in something similar to L. F. Herreshoff's Marco Polo - long, narrow motor sailor. Very fuel efficient. Original was from memory 55 ft long and just 10 ft wide. With enough fuel capacity to cross an ocean, if need be. And enough sail area to be a real sailing boat in a bit of wind. Stability curve in the case of capsize close to 180 degrees. Mine would be steel hull, divided in 3 water tight compartments. Everything as simple as possible. Transom hung rudder. Working boat finish and systems. Traditional, Dutch style short gaff, relatively high aspect rig. Very simple and cheap to install and maintain, with basic tools, by me. Spliced galvanized rigging. Apart, water tight engine room/ repair tool shop/ cargo space. Good rowing dinghy. (I dont like inflatable boats much). I would avoid marinas like a plaque. For maintenance out of the water, I would try local, working boats facilities. It should be way cheaper and in some places easier to find. And I would also avoid Panama channel and go around Cape Horn or through the Drake Passage instead. Many ways to skin a cat I do like your channel. You are making interesting videos. Keep the good work.

[@seandepagnier]

@@SailingwithThomas polluting the environment to the point of ww3 is also stupid. Even if the engine had significant safety advantages, a few human lives is not worth wrecking the environment and killing all the reefs for. Furthermore, using an engine to evade a hurricane few will question. If that is the only use and it is ready to go for that, most sailors would never actually use their engine but could have all the safety advantages.

[@hasanemir262]

If a war breaks out, where will I find electricity? It doesn't make sense.

[@captainjimolchs]

Where will you find fuel?

[@hasanemir262]

@captainjimolchs Natural rapeseed oil

[@hasanemir262]

@captainjimolchs Have you ever seen combat OR war? I am a soldier.

[@captainjimolchs]

I suspect that will also be in short supply, or needed for other purposes. --Either way, the ocean would be a bad place to be.

[@captainjimolchs]

I once stopped a war by refusing to participate.

[@theespjames4114]

Thanks for the common sense.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for being here 🙏🏻

[@ufodude1000]

You are correct

[@AnthonyParr-do5jk]

Tell us what you really think 🤣

[@SailingwithThomas]

I guess I just did 😅 Not often I take to this strong statements. Thank you so much for watching

[@sammyvh11]

Sven Yrvind

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@captainjimolchs]

Sven is competent. He avoids situations where an engine is necessary, He does not suggest that everyone be like him.

[@MiQBohlin]

16:02 👍🏼 Stupidometer

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ha Ha😆 Its all In the details

[@seandepagnier]

As someone who has sailed on many of those regions, it is simply false to say "no wind for weeks" unless you think 10 knots of wind is "no wind" and many people do. This is telling... this video is full of fraudulent information trying to justify pollution and exploitation over knowledge and seamanship and respect for the environment.

[@johnstott1431]

In brief I think you are completely wrong. You start by saying we all have different ideas and philosophy. But you demonise those without engines, that is a contradiction. Good seamanship with or without engine is the key. Bad seamanship is found more and more. I would argue that being able to do without an engine, if you get something around the prop for example is essential. I have sailed around the Caribbean and Venezuela on a 46ft engineless yawl, without anchor winch, where we would sail the boat up to the anchor using the main and mizzen. I have sailed the west of Ireland in a 33ft engineless yacht. I have delivered Bavaria yachts between the UK and Ireland, and got a net around the prop, we sailed into a tight anchorage and the skills I learnt from sailing engineless yachts were well worth knowing. I have raved a 130ft J class that had no engine in the round the Island race. Knowing your boat and crew and being prepared is key. An engine is useful but should not change basic principles of good seamanship and smarts. I find the fin and spade boats sail around there anchors and cause more problems in anchorages. Boats like these and cats are usually the ones to cause the problems as the anchor badly, care less as they are very well insured, less likely to be live-aboard so don’t care as much.

[@seandepagnier]

So... you dont know how to utilize wind power. Relying on an engine that fails at a bad time has killed many more people than those who sail without engines. I have sailed around the world without an engine.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Ehm.. okay! Im very happy for you that you have been so lucky. Not everyone share this privilege, even pretty skilled sailors not being around anymore. Its possible to sail around the world without sat phone, without life raft, and even without EPIRB as well. Many sailors I know about are still alive and still practicing this. Still in my experience based opinion this is not the brightest thing to do. Skilled as sailors or not. All the best

[@theosphilusthistler712]

Brave man. Fully agree. I'm even starting to think that a small motorsailer (ie with very simple rig as auxilliary) might be the greenest way to go. I think if you plotted size, weight including ballast, complexity and cost of rig against minimum usable wind speed you'd see diminishing marginal returns. That weight and windage has to be pushed when you then do need to motor. And as for electric boats. Fire on a boat is bad. Fire that can't be extinguished is worse.

[@SailingwithThomas]

Not the worst idea, I mean most popular catamarans are basically sail assisted motor yachts. And in my opinion it’s nothing wrong with that. Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@forresta65]

i hear electric motor and I unsubscribe.

[@jenshenriksen3030]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@Leosarebetter]

If you do not need an engine then by that logic - you do not need and anchor...

[@SailingwithThomas]

Funny and quite true😆 I sailed without engine and without anchor for three years. It was so about saving weight on a 34 footer. But never used it for anything else than club racing ⛵️ Thank you so much for being here

[@robertgold2643]

😎

[@SailingwithThomas]

Thank you so much for watching 🙏🏻

[@The_vincepryor]

Yes It's a scam.

[@SailingwithThomas]

At least when not sharing the truth and reality. Thank you so much for watching and for being here🙏🏻

[@hasanemir262]

Thomas, this video was very good, thank youThomas,

[@AWBepi]

skoal!

[@SailingwithThomas]

Cheers 🍻