SAKO RK, Valmet RK, Feg85 comparisons.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

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[@hawk6111]

Finland. Home of good heavy metal and the best AK rifles in the world.

[@eetu2875]

hawk6111 true dat

[@LEMON-hw5go]

Not best but awesome design

[@kessu1863]

@@LEMON-hw5go he mean best AK variants

[@LEMON-hw5go]

@@kessu1863 oh

[@gotindrachenhart]

Thanks for the video! I remember being a kid in the late 80's and drooling over Valmet rifles over here in the U.S.. Now that I can finally afford one of course, we can't get them. Ah well, at least I can still enjoy watching Kimi drive F1 so I can enjoy something from your great country! :D

[@HarpDBigglesworth]

This video was great! I wasn't expecting to be so thoroughly informed. Thanks for posting this.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

No problem dude, i don't have much time at the moment. But i'm setting up for higher quality cameras so that i can get more involved. I'd say within the next few months i'll be having a table top review of each of the rifles separately

[@jannerahkamaa1011]

Sehän ampu enemmän ekan 5min aikana kun me saatii koko intin aikana ampua!

[@MatalaLento]

Oh miss62, i miss you so much... It was my service rifle

[@yankeejake]

After shooting all kinds of hunting rifles before the military, I was totally blown away by the accuracy of RK iron sights. I could hit targets and make groupings of 20 cm 150-200 up to 300 m away at which point I barely even saw the target anymore. It felt like magic. Edit: For the sake of reference, I would focus my moose rifle scope to 75 m or 100 m max. - a scope. With a fancy scope and a strong zoom you feel like your hands tremble like a vibrator up in Michael J. Foxes butt.

[@MikeLitoris66]

Me too. I hadnt shot before but with RK62 i had no trouble hitting targets at 400m. It was a flipping target and i had only few seconds of time to shoot and the target looked so tiny through crosshairs but i hit it anyway.

[@JENi-vx3yn]

In Finnish military training it's pretty common to get groupings like that. The normal shooting ranks goes from bronze, silver and gold. Most of the jäegers are in silver and gold ranks and it means you have to get over 100 points on timed targets from 150 meters with 10 bullets.

[@jiipeeish]

@@JENi-vx3yn In my time... doing the service...(in 1984)I got 6 days extra leave from the army... First I shot 98/100,10 shots targeted 150 m on lying on the stomach...RK 4 (15 hits) ...shooting standing on the knees... And 12 hits/15 shooting 5 seconds each shooting on the target... (first standing,then standing on your knees and then lying on your stomach)This makes 3 home-leaves extra plus 3 more for being an excellent marksman.

[@jiipeeish]

I got gold...

[@jiipeeish]

And... If I am allowed to tell more memories?... I once met a Major from the U.S army in the airport in Frankfurt,Germany... He was on his way back home to the U.S... We shared a beer in the bar... He asked me where I come from so I told him from Finland...And my flight leaves in 45 minutes to Helsinki and I come from Sao Paulo from our wedding ...He said:"Well... The Russian red army walked over the nazis in WW II... But they could NOT BEAT THE FINNS!" (The same fighting spirit is with the Ukrainians now,I think?)

[@Llamanator_]

Now for the real question: Can you field strip and reassemble the weapon in 15 seconds?

[@ThomasRonnberg]

i'm not sure about the reassembly part. xD

[@SO-Negative]

Around 12-13 was my record, this included cleaning.

[@StPaul76]

Nice video my brother in arms. You didn't mention the difference of the triggers between AK's and Valmet and Sako variants. In my experience AK triggers are like rubber bands, they stretch and stretch until brake and then the reset is almost undetectible. Sako and Valmet rifles have pretty nice two-stage combat triggers with a distinctive reset. At least compared to stock M4's and AK's, FAL's and such for that is.. For what I've heard the Sig 550/PE90 has the smoothest and lightest trigger of any modern standard military rifle. Sniper rifles and DMR's unicluded off course. Thanks for the video. Keep them coming!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+StPaul76 I'll definitely keep them coming! Yeah, i could make a new video with a comparison of the triggers. I haven't had the opportunity to go out to the range as i'm pre-occupied hand forging knives. But soon, especially when the weather clears up around here! As for the triggers, you're pretty much on point. I feel like the Valmet's downward angled buttstock reduces the ability to put the trigger to it's maximum potential. Otherwise they're both great!

[@ChrisUrsiny]

excellent comparison. all are excellent weapons. the milled receiver weapons seem to operate smoother and are generally more accurate when compared to the stamped steel akm rifle.

[@bozo5632]

Ian at Forgotten Weapons on YT has done lots of videos on Finnish weapons, and several videos on these rifles in particular. Finns who like guns should love Forgotten Weapons.

[@chrissphar211]

This is the best KZbin vid I've seen. Wish I owned one and rails suck

[@thelastking8702]

I always watch videos 2x, The Gentleman was so rushed he probably had a date that evening, he was so fast and so efficient in how he was sliding those bolt carriers back in, that he made me question myself.

[@carfreakenby99]

good video.. definitely helps me out when i go to army in next 2-3 years... it's good to know all the things about this rifle... thank you :)

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+needspeedboy33 No problem dude! I strongly recommend you do Mechanized Infantry training! (Panssari Jaakari). I'll have some more videos uploaded soon enough!

[@riiatalaja4932]

Thanks for this video, it really enlightened me about my considerings of what gun to buy.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+Riia Talaja My pleasure ;)

[@SilentRazor1uk]

Terve Thomas, nice Pukka's on the sheet there, even one with a damascus-steel style blade pattern edging/hamon.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

made one of them and the other is a Takeda forged blade!

[@iLikeDMR]

Ahhh the SAKO RK-95, what an awesome assault riffle that was

[@akilrl85]

Had a RK62 in military when i did my conscript service. Non folding. Don't know much about weapons but it felt like a well build machine.

[@VladKepes]

The folding stock on the M76 became loose, and the cleaning rod in the one-piece stock started to rattle after much wear and tear after 1000's of conscripts. That's why the M95 has a two-piece stock that you squeeze to turn. The upgraded version of the M76 (called M62M due to the original version) will have a telescopic stock, ditching the folding possibility. The folding-stock M95 will be reserved to tank crews, urban troops and UN peacekeepers. And due to the thick barrel the weapon is very frontal-heavy with the stock folded. Folded it's not a desirable platform except for urban warfare,

[@mistermelvinheimer3238]

Great video, very informative on what the differences between the three models. Is there a chance you can make a video about your countries gun laws?

[@nyandyn]

Note the simpler return spring assemblies on the RK. The pre-seventies models have an AK style one (and those ugly handguards :P).

[@TehRasia]

where are you from? I can't notice finnish accent

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+TehRasia Hahaha, it's a tough question. But i did learn all of my english living in Finland. Born in France with a dual Brit/Finn nationality.

[@blakeslide6919]

Can you please explain Finnish weapon laws? Thanks!

[@atheist6598]

First of all, all Finnish males have to serve in the Finnish defence forces for 6, 9 or 12 months depending what want to be. After military, people are part of reserve military and if they want, they can join some reserve activities clubs where they can maintain their shooting skills and tactics. And for that purpose, reservist can buy themself own semi automatic assault rifle. We call it a reserve rifle. But before people start to make police applications to assault rifles, it is highly recommended that people join some hunting clubs and buy a shotgun for the first gun, then hunting rifle and if you are member of some military reserve activities, you can buy the assault rifle. So in Finland, you can start to buy weapons when you are 18 years old, requirements for having weapons are, hunting, shooting sport and military reserve activities and you have to be a full time member of some of those and prove it to police. Most common first weapons are shotguns and hunting rifles. Police decide if you get weapons permit or not and make tests for you. In the end, it is really easy to get hunting weapons, hard to get assault rifles but if you are active reservist it should not be hard to get. Pistols are the most hardest to get. Me myself, i have a shotgun, hunting rifle and a assault rifle.

[@Nimimerkki]

+Fenghuang Semi-automatic rifles and assault rifles (select fire, fully automatic) are not the same thing. You have the former, not the latter.

[@kajautus]

First I was troughn off about the very fast sterressed way to present this. Then the accenct. Obviously you aren't from Finland originally. But what the heck, you did good job! Seriously, those shoes while shooting?? made me laugh! :D

[@TalkIsCheapNM]

Great vid! I wish the Sako M92/S was available here in the U.S. The Valmet RK76 (or M76/S as sold here in The States) in 7.62X39MM Russian is a super scarce rifle in these parts. It was nice to see one in action! I will be posting a vid soon with my Valmet M76/S Tube Folder in 5.56x45MM NATO, be sure to check it out!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+TalkIsCheap NM Thanks! I'll definitely check it out.

[@kehtux]

You are supposed to keep your thumb on the gas piston guide while disassembling. Also the 95 seemed very dirty or the piston got bend because of previous disassemble as it got hold back.

[@tundraotto]

Great video! So nice to see the Rk series being explained by a person in civilian clothes.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+tundraotto Thanks! I've gotten tired of all the IPSC and Tactical clothes. When i go to the competitions I'm the only one wearing a collared shirt with flowers on it! IPSC/Tactical clothes cost more than tailored clothes, and i find that tailored clothes are actually way more effective tactical/IPSC garments. So by spending less money on something that actually fits my shape perfectly, i can shoot faster and sweat less. Civilian clothes are also lighter, prettier, and more functional than IPSC/Tactical clothes in the civilian world. The same clothes i use to shooting competitions i can use for clubbing. So by spending less money i actually have more functional clothing.

[@manvirsingh5609]

Where did you get these guns from? Are you from the U.S? Any pointers on where i could go about finding the SAKO RK

[@GugureSux]

He's clearly Finnish, and these are Finnish guns. Valmet did export small batch of RK-62 variants to USA during Cold War, but they're quite rare and expensive. The manufacturing of both RK62 and 95 came to complete end already in 1990s.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Exactly

[@gonzisonsbc]

Very nice rifles! The Finns make some awesome guns. I love my 2 M39 rifles. One is Sako and the other VKT.

[@taistelusammakko5088]

i think best weapons what we had done are our ww2 weapons.

[@cjl1586A]

Fantastic video! Out of those three, which one do you prefer?

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+cjl1586A The Sako 95 by far, I've shot many thousands of rounds through it before the military service where i was assigned one for a whole year. Got to shoot with it some more in military exercises every week for a year in combat style situations. Like guerilla warfare tactices and urban warfare tactics. So i know how this system functions in pretty much every single aspect of its design. The Valmet is a great rifle but the ergonomics on it are old, not designed for close range rapid shooting. The Sako on the other hand is incredibly devastating for a Kalashnikov. It shoots smoothly with extremely little muzzle rise and the iron sights are ideal for my style of shooting. I don't like using scopes or aim-points, iron sights allow me to shoot much faster and more accurately in competition. So for a kalashnikov without optics, the Sako is perfect for IPSC competitions. It doesn't even really need a compensator, although it would be smart to put one on.

[@FrostbitePeacekeeper]

This was a really good comparison of the 3 rifles! You could have mentioned some differences about the flash hiders, attachments and so forth, great video anyways! Served 2 years as a marine commando recon. Used both the RK62 and the RK95tp, nothing to complain about them! Where do you live nowadays, and are all the 3 guns your own, how did you get them and for what price? Keep up the good spirit and make more videos!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+FrostbitePeacekeeper Yeah dude, soon enough when the weather clears up around Finland i'll be heading out to the 300m range and doing some more focused attention to detail with the rifles. I've been planning some video ideas now for a few months.

[@AKAngelKingAK]

Wish we were still able to get these here in the states, price on the prebans are 4,000+... Awesome video by the way.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+AK47(AngelKing)AK74 Thanks dude! I'll be using in competitions all year, so be prepared for some potential headcam footage. (i dont have a headcam)

[@AKAngelKingAK]

+Thomas Ronnberg I gotta ask, can you get your hands on any of the prototype mags over there? Also any of the black mags with the castle stamp on the side?

[@mikkolappalainen2618]

Is that folding stock RK full automatic? Because in Semi auto version, there is rarely folding stock due to gun laws.

[@402KILLE]

and when you flip your rear sights on RK 62 it is not called combat sights but night sights. It is true that it is helpful to use it as a combat sight (close quater combat) but you will lose the accurasy on day time if you have to shoot to longer distaces.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+402KILLE Yeah they're called night sights but they're useless in the night. You literally don't see anything while aiming in the night, and in night combat situations the best thing to do is point and shoot in the general direction, unless you have a night vision scope. I call them battle sights because they're perfect for combat. You don't rely on accuracy as much in CQB conditions as you do on concentrated firepower. This logic applies all over the guerrilla battle field. Having the sights lowered like that allows you to shoot more and faster in the same space. The accuracy difference is really not that big unless you're shooting groups at 150 to 300 meters on paper. But otherwise the kalash style iron sights are really the perfect sights for most realistic combat conditions. Although i found myself constantly swapping between the peep sights and the combat sights.

[@GugureSux]

The idea of "night sights" is to allow you to SEE where your own sights are, and align them on your target in pitch black darkness. I personally couldn't hit jack shit with them, no matter how well I scored in live-fire tests with the normal diopters.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Yeah, but basically they're close quarter combat sights with night vision glowing things implemented in them. With my extended experience in shooting over the years, i have to say that this setting is way more effective for combat because it allows you to shoot faster for acceptable combat accuracy requirements.

[@davebona9592]

Excellent video

[@kentony7672]

Are Tavor and Galil ACE available there?

[@cagatayteoman5640]

As far as I know Early versions of Valmets made from stamped metal. Sako is machined. You can see differences your on magazines. I would like to know which one is heavier?Sako or Valmet? Do you have .223 versions? Many thanks from Turkey.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Cagatay Teoman Sako is waaaay heavier

[@spd579]

Outstanding! A great collection! Now all you need is A Polish, Bulgarian, Romanian, Serbian/Yugo, Russian, and Chicom variants and you would have a cross section of modern made rifles, in Kalasnikov form. Watching that gas venting backward was as bad as an AR with a can on it! Oh Wow! But, the SAKO can handle the extra carbon build up. When looking at the Valmet and listening to your comments about the stocks and their differences, I agree with your eval. I would (given a choice) take the Valmet. But, the under folder on that Hungarian would be a better bet for vehicle ops, as you mentioned before. Just a crappy shooting platform. I just recently picked up a Rom-Kalash, standard issue. Oddly enough before the word got out from James Yeager and MrGunsandGear, about Romania suspending AK/WASR-10 exports to the US, due to Military contracts. Timing was good for me!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+SP D One thing about the valmet, is that the front grip isn't actually very well designed for double tapping and modern forms of shooting. A double tap with the valmet has 15cm difference compared to the sako

[@spd579]

That much?! Ok, SAKO is doing something right.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+SP D Yeah there's a real difference. But a lot of that difference comes from how shooting techniques have developed over the years. Which you can tell with how the buttstocks are aligned with the boar and how the front grips are shaped.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+SP D Yeah there's a real difference. But a lot of that difference comes from how shooting techniques have developed over the years. Which you can tell with how the buttstocks are aligned with the boar and how the front grips are shaped.

[@spd579]

Techniques, I'm not so sure. As former or current military, all of us, no matter the country, were taught the fundamentals of rifle shooting. Then, aggressive marksmenship. The big difference is manual of arms. That I can see. Stocks and grips, yeah I've seen that! The Hungarians and Romanians seem to love the front grip stile on the handguards. Crazy thing is they've been doing that since the 60's and we are just now getting back into it. Yeah, Model 1921 and 28 Thompson SMG's. Oh yeah, Hungarian AMD-65. Its folding stock goes to the side and is off center to the right. Finally, stocks on milled receiver AK's tend to be alil downward on the but-plate stock angle. Both under folding and fixed. The stamped receivers, tend to go straight inline. The newer one's from Bulgaria, they have theirs straight like your RK-95. I gotta be forgetting something.

[@liver_boxman4481]

Its not a guiding systemn of the piston, its about to clean castube .I did not know they sold m95:s to outside of the country. I have the same rifles but valmet is not folding buttstock. Nice video bayteway.

[@woodywoodlstein9519]

Dude, very cool video. Intense but Very well done. Because these aren’t toys Makes we want to visit Finland.

[@2009Infidel]

You're welcome!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Thanks man, appreciate it.

[@TheRulzux]

how did the slide lock back on rk 95?

[@tundraotto]

+TheRulzux he explains it in the video...towards the end.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+TheRulzux The hammer has a circular bulge on it that fits into a circular wedge on the bolt carrier. By pulling the bolt back slowly, you can lock it to the hammer. I'll have to make a more thorough video on the dis-assembly of these rifles.

[@XoravaX]

On the RK 95 military model you can also use the selector lever to hold the bolt back. It has a small notch at the top of it for that, unlike the early civilian version seen here.

[@jeffshootsstuff]

Cool video. Nicely done.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+jeffshootsstuff Thanks I appreciate it! The firearm community on youtube is great, I'm hoping to slowly make my way into it! Do you have any constructive criticism for me to work on for the next videos?

[@jeffshootsstuff]

Maybe slow down a bit, have a static camera rather than a hand held. I am terrible at this but it's what people tell me. :D

[@jamilaku6133]

Ai sullakin on tuo BR äänen vaimennin,oli aikas kallis 600 markkaa.

[@dusanbasta3020]

m 70 AB-2. Beast of beast

[@michaelx1809]

Sako RK..OMG!!! I need one.

[@anttioikkonen1409]

so you have gone a little visit on finnish defence force ??? i did regocnice a military style gun catridge cleaning style :)

[@ThomasRonnberg]

PSJK AUK in Vekara

[@anttioikkonen1409]

Cool :)

[@Jaeger958]

I served in 1st Mechanized Jaeger Company (1. Panssarijääkärikomppania) the best company in the Brigade! Jääkärit kärkeen!

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Back when Loihuranta was around?

[@Nekrofoobikko]

2.PSJK, the best company in the Brigade*

[@markhernandez3860]

Awesome thanks for the Video

[@petrusinvictus3603]

Wow! Learn if we live. I was with these in Finnish military boot camp before sent to Navy. You have&know!

[@thejoyofpainting2911]

Hey dude, there is room for a cleaning set inside the stock.

[@LevisL95]

He mentions it at 4:35

[@thejoyofpainting2911]

Kden

[@JwpGaming]

Good old sidefolder rk. The treats of being a motorcycle scout.

[@Lowkicksfordayz]

Hyvä! Suomalainen sotilas

[@arecold4222]

You sound norwegian, is that where you're from?

[@MrBahjatt]

They could easily make the Rk.95TP with Picatinny rails on the receiver and sides of the fore wood: nothing complex about it.

[@Fasnfip]

+Bahjat Tabbara There's no production of the Rk's anymore and modifying the already obsolete 95 would cause additional costs. Instead of that, they are modifying the older Valmet/Sako M76 service rifles (upgraded version of the old 62) with mountings for rails and collapsible stocks.

[@MrBahjatt]

+sdFdM Give me a license and I will restart production of the modified version.

[@Fasnfip]

That'd be sweet.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

+Bahjat Tabbara Yep. I've held an RK with a front picatinny and it's ridiculously heavy. It would require quite a minimalist approach.

[@MrBahjatt]

+Thomas Ronnberg Not too heavy; I think it is a well weighted gun.

[@pexii7320]

here in finnish army, we do use those both models, old and new one.

[@pexii7320]

new one, rk95. old one rk62

[@originaali]

Are u in a hurry =)? please calm down.. it would be more pleasant to watch

[@thelastking8702]

I actually liked it, and I always watch videos 2x, he was so fast and so efficient in how he was sliding those bolt carriers that he made me question myself.

[@zapman88]

Why are you saying that the rifle is an rk-95? ;)

[@gkoppisgkoppis2049]

Sako rk best👍🏼

[@pieterwillembotha6719]

the socka and the vomit??

[@luisalizondo4973]

Nice video

[@autorage5337]

u can remove the gas tube from ak tho, just twist the little nod nex to the sights and lift from the upper half of the "wooden" handle

[@bozo5632]

Dude's American English is nearly perfect. Just a couple of slightly odd pronunciations. Just enough to catch him if he was a spy.

[@urbankotto9685]

If you take a step forward you can probably beat down the target whit your head.

[@umarmars47]

Nice denim jacket

[@gzitterspiller]

Actually a really good video, I thought it was going to be a shit.

[@joniknookala6674]

Sako rk95 allmost recoilles and reliable i dont miss any of my past girlfriends as much as the times in the finn jägers with this piece of art😂

[@matti9186]

the Russian version can be folded with the knee

[@karijantti104]

Best worlds rifle.

[@rogxd6650]

O

[@jiipeeish]

Whatever people make in life... The Finns make ´em BETTER!

[@MrBillcale]

why do you have an English accent?

[@ThomasRonnberg]

it's technically american, even though i've lived never in england or us, growing up i generally got along best with foreigners, canadians and americans. I think deep inside i actually have an american soul hahahaha.

[@tomelroy]

@@ThomasRonnberg Well my brother....if you are ever in the US and need a place to stay, you are welcome here....one small request, I am building an "airsoft" Sako clone and could use a few parts :)

[@liver_boxman4481]

Jaa ootkin vissiin suomalainen :)

[@eetu2875]

Adolf Putler ei ollu

[@andro7862]

Lmao Americans think their ARs are best. They haven't seen this yet.

[@mikkosaaranen4216]

selkeesti esitelty...

[@freddieelohopea6961]

Taidat olla tavallista hitaampi yksilö.

[@patzino7701]

Äiti ei ole vissiin kertonut sulle että jos ei ole mitään järkevää sanottavaa, kannattaa olla hiljaa.

[@hannesholmborg4769]

he is so funny when he shoy

[@hannesholmborg4769]

shot

[@karijantti104]

Finnish rifle best riflr.

[@imaherrrbb]

that silencer didn't do very much. in fact, maybe made it louder :]

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

imaherrrbb you're hearing the supersonic crack and the steel target ringing.

[@yoyomatafaka]

hyvä video!