Joining the Joja Family - Stardew Valley

While we're all familiar with completing the Community Center, what about the other path? The option that most of us didn't even consider due to the moral complications of it? I'm here to take you through the path, along with everything you'll gain and lose by taking it!
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[@AntiKira20]

You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy JoJa Corp, not join them!

[@Nck-my3yw]

but buying auto petters it's totally worth it

[@cricketandgraham8644]

@@Nck-my3yw Yeah.. the auto petters are great, but I still regret going that route. Not a lot I missed though

[@boiri]

A star wars ref

[@sneezyfido]

You might destroy them from the inside

[@corallinelayla3181]

You’ve become the very thing you’ve sworn to destroy!

[@TerrariaTree1]

The joja route is not as bad as people say it is, you dont get really get locked out of any content, the route is much easier to do than the quest like system of the community center route, you can buy seeds from the joja mart any day unlike pierre and having the same price as Pierre's with the exception that the sunflower seeds are cheaper, you can buy auto petters which is normally a very hard and annoying thing to get, you get there version of a trophy the vending machine that basically gives you money everyday via the joja cola it produce, you can still buy the junimo huts, the location of the theater is better, you can easily complete the route in year one, sam and shane don't lose there jobs, the villagers schedules will remain the same unlike the CC route which changes the schedules of the villagers, and the only true cons of the route is you're morality and losing out the free 3 points you get from completely the community center route, the points are a part of grandpa's evaluation

[@mrnobody9611]

Let me try to change your opinion on morality. If you go the community center route, the community projects fail, while going the Joja route makes the project work and now alot of places can enjoy help from Joja! Also if the Joja store shuts down, It kinda takes away the choice where to shop and Pierre has a Monopoly on the Valley, you literally did what you accused Joja of doing! So this is why i think Joja is the most moral route of the two.

[@timberflame8750]

One big pro the joja route has over the community center that I don't see many people talking about is that how once you finished the community center, certain people on different days will hang out there during their usual store hours. The worst though is Clint where on multiple occasions Ive wanted to crack some geodes/upgrade a tool and he just simply wasn't there! I don't think I could ever do a full farm with the joja route though. Only speed ran through it for the achievement Lol

[@fluffysprout]

Clint also does this on every friday when you complete the community center, so you unfortunately can’t really get out of it

[@mrnobody9611]

Another good thing about the Joja route Is that Joja are actually the good guys and you help their project to help the community work and now Joja can help out the community!

[@apollolux]

I've never done it myself, but apparently watching at least two other videos of Perfection runs on KZbin shows that the end cutscene on the cliff changes depending on if you do Joja route for Community Center or not. It was very interesting to see the difference, especially considering that I've only recently gotten back into Stardew after not having played it since before Perfection and Ginger Island were added.

[@Jefferson-us5vl]

To be honest, movie theater in the uphill is the best location. Shorter from farm and it fit perfectly with the village. I hope 1.6 Dev make more update for Joja route

[@_Aidelweiss_]

man i really love your content, you filled the place of DF since he no longer made stardew valley content

[@Marialla.]

Joja is useful for a challenge run. Imagine: Evil Joja has imprisoned you on your farm. They will give you one day out if you bribe them by buying a membership or one of the form upgrades. And they'll let you out for one day to celebrate their Warehouse Opening. But they only free you from your prison once you buy them the Movie Theater!

[@kailomonkey]

You need to do this route for a trophy on PS4 (and presumably an achievement on other systems) so I do think a fair few have seen it. Plus I'm playing co-op right now with a newcomer to the game and they chose exponential profit growth and Joja as our path. Thank for the video though your videos are always the most thorough :)

[@AxelQC]

This feels like the Sith version of Stardew Valley.

[@wolfsrain1978]

I tell you what, going the Joja Route was one of the best things I did, I already completed the game before and wanted to see what was different. I will say however that I still utilize the Junimos despite going this route, I made sure to translate the text and get the essence of the forest before I got rid of the CC. Now I have forest fairies while also being a capitalist

[@schizophreniagaming1187]

You... You're worse than a capitalist!

[@wolfsrain1978]

@@schizophreniagaming1187 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

[@MatheusRodrigues-gm5tf]

@@schizophreniagaming1187 Juminos are basically slaves.

[@heatherschulz1458]

You don't even have to do that. Junimos are never blocked from the wizard tower. You can have the huts no matter what route you take.

[@wolfsrain1978]

Sweet, I didn't know that

[@nosignal2240]

To be honest, I much prefere this route. It's such a pain in the ass to remember to go out of my way to get cc items, and it just feels un-satisfying to have to store stuff that I could just sell instead. With the Joja route, I can focus on the main goal of the game, making money, without having to worry about anything else, especially animals, which I never engage with since they barely make you any money and are so expensive to get going.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

Wait, animals are decent money. Cheese and mayonaise sell well and truffles are great profit. Rabbit legs are friendship cheatcodes and even wool is useful.

[@alamrasyidi4097]

​@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 honestly, id be remiss if i didnt admit that animals are so high maintenance and time consuming compared to other methods of making money. they need to be pet everyday, their produce need to be dealt with practically almost everyday especially for cows and pigs, and as much a great money maker pigs are, even aside of having to take the time to gather their truffles everyday, theyre neither consistent nor all season. growing crops is easier, the most attention intensive part you have to do is at the start setting it up. once you get them planted on your sprinklers, you only need to wait for harvest, and plop them in kegs every few days where you can sleep skip. i do have to disagree about the main goal of the game. the main goal is not just making money, but to collect various items. its the only way to progress to the end game, even if you go Joja route. sure, you paid all your cómmunity development form, but in the end, you still need to complete the quests and special orders, you need to get the ginger island stuff to use forging your weapons, you need various items to use in finishing Qi's special orders, basically i always feel like im gonna need _something_ that _someone_ is gonna ask in the future, so i just tend to hoard. the worst part is i feel animals take up a significant portion of the day to keep them financially viable, cutting the time i need to venture about collecting stuff. crops feels a whole lot more stress free to me, but i guess people play the game differently

[@m.ya.9032]

The main goal of the game is making money??????? Lmaoooo jeeeesus

[@bluelfsuma]

I dunno about anyone else, but pure cash bundles would take _infinitely_ longer for me to fill out than the base ones. I need that money for upgrading my farm.

[@foop145]

This reminds me of a guide I read a VERY long time ago for one of the old school harvest moon games. Most of the guides were aimed at helping you experience as much of the game as possible, telling you about events and birthdays, and providing information on romanceable characters etc. This guide, however, was about pure profit. The sole focus was how to absolutely min-max your money generation to be absolutely filthy rich by the end of the game. Taking time out of your day to give a GIFT to someone? Wrong, sell that shit instead. Events going on in town? They're obstacles you have to plan around so you're not wasting a day without investing in new sources of money. The guide was so silly, but so serious about all of it. Every strat detailed was aimed entirely at making as much money as humanly possible. From the routes you took through the mountains to gather resources, to efficiently upgrading tools and energy so you could squeeze just a few more crops onto your field without passing out after watering them, it had it all. For those who have played harvest moon, it was also advocating for full 3x3 crops from the start, which added a ton of headache, but was the most lucrative strategy. I read quite a few guides for a lot of games back in those days, but this particular one stuck with me. It was such a silly way to play the game, because it actively spurned 80% of the content in favor of making the number go up. Except it wasn't even about that, because money in your wallet isn't making you more money! So you basically spent the entire game as absolutely broke as possible until the very end lol

[@AntSimpson]

If you think about it the bus is actually more expensive.. you forgot to account for the Joja membership.

[@FoundationAfro]

I'm doing Joja in my current run, and...yeah, it's like, a kajillion times easier but doesn't give you much and is a kajillion times more evil. Oh well, it's part of the game and I wanted to try it.

[@JaxLittles]

Pierre ripping me off makes me feel better about going the Joja route

[@albertusaswin2012]

I am doing my 2nd save and in my 9,999th save I might do this. Joining Joja. Then reform it into Jo-jo. If it were DangerouslyFunny's video: Lewis facing the abandoned Community Center: what an eyesore DF: yeah, but you are even worse with your forbidden love and corruption. Or DF: right next to me is someone even worse than that.

[@codyschroeder4766]

Technically, jojamart is corporatism and true capitalism is the standard playthrough

[@raegonyoom4681]

Almost all my farms I go the Joja route but I swear I have a good reason I love Morris

[@notruminari5668]

i cant wait for the day where more people have vector challenge achievement than joja route achievement

[@Thiegocolla77]

“Way before you normaly would” oh how you don’t know

[@baileywisenbubbs2325]

So my current playthrough I'm on the beach farm. I completed all CC bundles except the bulletin board, then proceeded to get my joja membership. And I'm not sure if its because I completed bundles before signing my life away to capitalism or what but, I have 2 junimo huts. For other info, I am playing on the switch.

[@bilboorange]

At 2:23 there is a hello there there is another one later as well 😂

[@chunga689]

you forgot to mention that you wont be able to get the junimo statue to respawn every year behind the cc

[@brandtvargas2767]

I dont plant anything ever so I'm convinced joja it is. Yes I sell the beginning parsnips seeds because I don't plant anything

[@sneezyfido]

Did you ever consider why the mines and caverns get their monsters restored because you planted monster bones and irrigated them with monster blood?

[@pulsefel9210]

considering the 5k start price the bus costs 2500 more

[@JadedJasantha]

I think Shane might be in the Joja lineup! Second from the left

[@s7121n9s]

I just went the Joja route for the first time on my beach farm on mobile and I have access to the junimo huts...

[@Remnants_]

The only thing the community centre does is randomly hide towns people when you actually need them & stop Clint working once a week 😂 Hate that. Though I still have never done the joja path

[@slugmuffin]

your character is exactly the same as my self character !!!

[@jamesbrincefield9879]

I’ve always wondered if anyone ever played through this game thinking this was the intended progression route. And what they thought about it.

[@dandydwi6_6]

It is. Normal human cant see fairy and its imposible for fairy to fix something like brige or bus

[@leaffinite2001]

​@dandydwi6_6 its not.

[@carolthe13th60]

The thing that I disagree with Concerned Ape over is that for all the good story telling he does for the CC, the Joja route is basically a boring evil cardboard cutout. I mean it would have been so much more interesting to see the good side to Joja Mart and a little of the bad side to the CC. For one thing, why did no one fix up their so called beloved CC? Why leave it to a newcomer who knows nothing about it? That always bugged me, even the first time I played the game. And further, Pierre is no better than Morris, worse actually, since Pierre is the boss of his store and Morris is at best lower middle management (Morris himself actually says this) who has to follow orders. Lastly, going the CC route always made me feel slightly queasy. Why does Morris have to be kicked out of town because he has different views from other people? I mean, if you go the Jojamart route Pierre doesn't get kicked out of town. Doesn't that seem a little fascistic? I never felt good about finishing the CC for just that reason. I got perfection going the Joja way but I did end up with a surprisingly touching ending with Morris on the mountaintop along with Mr Qi. Basically Morris said that he had worked very hard for years for recognition and was given a managerial position in a small Jojamart in a tiny village no one had heard of and that he had been devastated. But over time he began to realize how special Pelican Town was and how much he had come to love Stardew Valley. So in the end, Concerned Ape did let Jojamart shine a little, which he should have.

[@Sabrianag91]

I just started to play and I don't want to unlock the JojoMart because I don't want to disapoint Pierre 🤣I may try it on another save tho

[@megmc80]

I haven’t done the joja route yet because of integrity lol but what pisses me off about the community center is that I almost never see anyone in there once it’s completed. Sure, I get the perks of completing it, but it’s disappointing to go through all of that and the building is completely useless.

[@ChaosAngel9151]

They go to joja mart more often then they go to the completed community center

[@ChaosAngel9151]

They go to joja mart more often then they go to the completed community center

[@doktorsmiles2034]

I did joja for the archievement But it felt wrong

[@jeffstangl1471]

I just started the game. What happens to the general store?

[@Nick-yp6uf]

Bro the joja route is best for beginners

[@adrian3747_]

So going against Joja will leave Shane and Sam jobless then.

[@salmence100]

Sam gets a job at the museum, but Shane does in-fact end up jobless!

[@adrian3747_]

@@salmence100 That’s sad tbh. Very sad. I love Shane too much to make him suffer like that forever in the game

[@adrs1380]

Shane hates his job.

[@adrian3747_]

@@adrs1380 BUT he said despite him not liking his job he’d rather work there than be jobless

[@jichu6337]

I never understood why people like jodi and pam shop at joja, they say its because the prices are good, but its literally more expensive then pierres

[@youmukonpaku3168]

Pam and Jodi have memberships, which at least for the farmer drops Joja prices to equal Pierre's.

[@kadapbanar]

Morris give discounts coupon to villagers tho, u see his cutscene in Pierre's shop.

[@l0remipsum991]

'discount' is just an illusion, it's the actual price

[@NoraNoita]

Capitalism Ho, well I didn't call you a Hoe, a tool for tilling soil, but it's an expression of excitement. Did a 2nd farm recently to get that achievement route, and it was surprisingly smooth if all you have to focus on is getting the Money for it.

[@xmgentertainment]

or you can finish all the bundles in the community center and then go to joja to do the greenhouse

[@cheesegood55]

Also he frogot to say that you sell a small part of your soul 70% yeah just a little mistake not important

[@christianj5950]

I feel like both Pierre and Morris are capitalist (they’re both business owners who take credit for others work), but I end up being more annoyed with Pierre because the game pretends he’s sooo much better and like you’re “saving the town’s soul” by buying from the capitalist who’s got a cottagecore aesthetic. He’s not. He’s just pretentious. Morris is at least honest about who he is.

[@DQBrandywine]

You Are The Best

[@raerae304]

Isn’t Pierre not open on Wednesdays too like he is open when you do the community center route? Or am I crazy?

[@Marialla.]

Pierre's shop doesn't change after Joja wins. But Joja's prices do go down to match Pierre's after you have membership! Plus they are open until 11pm, seven days a week. PLUS, after Joja wins you don't get Clint suddenly taking fridays off to go stare at the boiler room. So that's good.

[@l0remipsum991]

Pierre's shop is open on Wednesdays after completing the CC route

[@ToxicTeemoOCE]

I wish I had gone the joja route, then I would have access to the auto petters.

[@ch3m1c4l_c0ff1n]

Lol I hate joja but also pierre Get alot of Money complete the community center and fill ur greenhouse with starfruit

[@thegamingflower6649]

I already live in America how much more capitalism do I need

[@GBM0311]

Lol I always do joja route. Auto pet just saves too much time

[@saustin2287]

Correction: I am playing the Joja run and I have the junimo hut. I think so long as you learn the language and do that cutscene you'll still get the Junimo Hut.

[@heatherschulz1458]

I didn't even do that. I still got the junimo hut.

[@jichu6337]

I heard it was only obtainable from the wizards shop but idk

[@heatherschulz1458]

@@jichu6337 it is still in the wizards tower, but you are never blocked from accessing it. Even if you go the Joja route.

[@Dustifer]

Same, I got the quest tot learning the language because I opend the bundel, than did Joja, days later I went to the wizard, and in year 3 (I wasn't in a hurry) I could still get the Junimo hut

[@khai6604]

Im playing joja route to, cuz joja clearing the path to the mine for free not the mayor or even pierre

[@kathypierson1128]

Its truly amazing how ConcernedApe captured the soulessness of megacorps via the joja route. Not only in dialogue and artstyle, but the gameplay itself. The community centre bundles are like quests, making you do a wide variety of activities and exploring the whole map. Bundles corresponding to seasons, areas, and activites gives the centre more personality. By contrast, you can complete the joja route by only engaging in a couple of activities, barely leaving a couple screens, engaging with no one, and checking off numbers on a bland sheet of paper. In the end celebrating with nameless nobodies you dont even know, someone else taking credit for your work and getting a promotion. You dont just see the message in art and dialogue, you feel it. Something most games really fail to capture, even if they are trying to portray a similar message.

[@potato.pancake]

this is perfectly worded and captures how i feel about the different routes, thank you for sharing 💙

[@Chris_winthers]

Yeah, but you get auto petters, so that kinda balances it out

[@cricketandgraham8644]

I regret picking the Joja route on my year 17 farm, it'd be so fun now seeing as how far I've come. Too bad there's no way to reverse it!

[@w33dsmoke61]

@@cricketandgraham8644 i always go to the joja path. mainly cause on all the runs where i did rebuild the center, they kept robbing me of my items. how you gonna have a community of under 50 people and you got mfers robbing people who faint.

[@thatguynar]

The npcs are pretty lifeless anyway so they’re not worth interacting with tbh. It’s all about the $$$

[@pharoahcaraboo9610]

I’ve never messed w the joja route not for any moral reason but just because I literally always forget about it. It’s just more out of the way than Pierre’s shop.

[@june9914]

I think the bus stop-town-joja pathway is slightly faster than heading two pierre, but the only real advantage of joja is that it’s open 24/7

[@MalekitGJ]

​@@june9914also, it doesn't messes the other citizens schedules, since most tend to have odd days they visit the finished community center

[@JGT-yd2wx]

Anti capitalism out of laziness

[@cardboardking577]

​@@JGT-yd2wxPierre is also a capitalist

[@spectrealangritch]

@@JGT-yd2wxit’s not really anti capitalist… you actually are a capitalist in the game… and if you cut Joja out, you cut out the free market, which is…. greedy as hell.

[@smudolinithegreatdragobear2433]

Normally I hunt for all them achievements. But the one achievement I will never EVER go for is the Joja Membership one. I mean the Farmer came to Pelican Town to get AWAY from JoJa.

[@KindandDarkOne]

i agree completely

[@jenamount2007]

I would give it a try but I agree

[@ADerpyReality]

You went to the farm to leave these guys. First scene is you at a joja call centre.

[@Akirasip]

Yes, you will finish it. Just right now you are telling everyone you won't.

[@smudolinithegreatdragobear2433]

@@Akirasip No I won't. I bought stardew Valley the day it first released in march 2016. I have over 600 hours in the game and about 7 or 8 different playthroughs. Not once did I even contemplate joining JoJa.

[@13DarkForce]

You forgot about the most important thing you lose by going the Joja route, tho. Your soul.

[@sneezyfido]

I'm more of a metal person Besides, the frothing guy with the big book was very clear about my not having a soul since I listen to, y'know, Pb. I'm safe

[@thatguynar]

If it fetches me a lot of $$$ then who cares

[@justaclock4768]

But I’m just a clock, a machine. I don’t have a soul.

[@ABulbmin]

im just a controlled bulborb, i dont have a soul either

[@jeremym4451]

Make with seeds yourself you are not a moral person Pierre just wants to become Jojo

[@DavidBoser]

To be fair. When you give the Joja route bothe Shane and Sam get to keep their jobs. They don't really have jobs after you complete the community center.

[@adrian3747_]

Facts! Im surprised not everybody’s talking about this lol

[@plutoandpolaris]

Sam works at the museum/library after Joja shuts down but idk about Shane You’d think Marnie would let him work at her store or something

[@sofaeaway]

@@plutoandpolaris Marnie is never at her store so everyone would benefit if shane took over

[@l0remipsum991]

Sam works at the museim while Shane is tending the coop

[@squishy7542]

​@@sofaeaway literally like where tf does she go

[@lilminsterful]

The auto petter does raise friendship hearts with the animals and you can still get the junimo huts after getting the talisman as well.

[@Thunderhawk51]

True. So much misinformation in this video.

[@MalekitGJ]

For those curious, mechanically the Auto petter works by adding friendship at the 06:00 hour. 06:00 check: 1. If the animal wasn't petted previous day, apply -10 friendship 2. If there is an Auto petter in building, apply +10 friendship You can also pet the animal the same day for an extra +10 friendship, cutting almost to half the time needed for 5 hearts.

[@iTrapa]

Honestly, Joja route really need more love. I mean Morris and those workers literally worked overnight on all the constructions, pure physical labor with no magic involved.

[@MalekitGJ]

Try Stardew Valley Extended. A funny spoiler: you get a better mayor that really get things done.

[@dntdmt]

I still think Morris is a thief that runs my pockets when I pass out on my front porch billed 1000g for what

[@ThouShaltSneed]

@@dntdmt its obviously Pierre, Morris would not waste time just to make 1000g

[@shyowl3453]

I get they were going for the evil corporation is evil route, but honestly you don’t see them really do anything evil, they fixed a landslide and they offered to pay for a building the community let go to ruin of their own lack of care, it’s meant to be a negative thing but I honestly don’t see them doing anything bad enough to treat them as completely evil, I love the community center and wholesomeness of that as much as anyone but it’s unfair to hate morris’s joja just cause imo

[@beansforsalewahoo]

​@@shyowl3453 Joja is actually really subtle about being evil, but when you're taught about the unethical things businesses do, you'll find snippets of Joja doing the same stuff and the link between them gets stronger. One obvious example of this is the overproduction of Cds and Joja cola, which leads to all this trash polluting every in-game water body. You could argue that it's the consumer's fault, but Pelican Town is such a small population that it can't possibly be *their* fault. The landslide they fixed was implied to be their own fault, as well. Them bringing up the Joja amendment to keep the villagers hushed is likely a shield to avoid accountability for crappy overburden(the discarded soil above a valuable deposit) management. Plus, the fact that there's a Joja amendment shows that crony capitalism is thriving in the Ferngill Republic

[@TimeLady8]

Whenever I do the Joja route, I complete all but a single bundle and then buy the membership. That way I get all the rewards and don't have to spend a ton of gold. EDIT: Probably should mention that I also only do the Joja Route in the Stardew Valley Expanded mod because it has so much more content. Oh, and Morris becomes Mayor and, well, that would be telling.

[@MalekitGJ]

SIGN ME IN! It seems even Shane on his lowest would be a better mayor than the one we have now.

[@zaineoakley5555]

@@MalekitGJonly Clint would be would be worst

[@knightogourd]

Would a capitalist crony really be better than Lewis as a mayor? Why would SDV Expanded make that happen? Does Morris get actual character development or something?

[@TimeLady8]

@@knightogourd "Does Morris get actual character development or something?" Short answer: Yes. Anything else would be spoilers.

[@knightogourd]

@@TimeLady8 Oh that's good to hear, would be weird if they just left him unchanged. Though I'm reluctant to download the mod, I've heard varying things about the quality of the writing haha

[@blackbeardbarkbark]

Love that joja route requires straight gold. Many hours speedrunning joja route. I usually do in this order: minecarts, greenhouse, bus, bridge, then panning last. There's always a small chance you'll get a prismatic shard from a mystic stone in the quarry -- makes it a better choice than panning for me.

[@zaineoakley5555]

I like to do greenhouse 1st to get starwberries in there not too long after the 13th

[@Missingno0479]

Oh that sucks they must have changed it. You used to be able to buy the membership right away and then you could do the cutscene with Mary Lewis but the community center would be transformed into a warehouse it's kind of funny

[@croma2068]

"They" being the one guy that develops this game 🙃

[@Missingno0479]

@@croma2068 well yes concerned ape is the sole developer of this game there are many other figures in the publication of the game such as companies making it available for their respected console. Don't really understand the need for a correction on a year old comment but thanks you must feel like you're really helping 🙃

[@zek62482]

It makes no sense to leave a soul-crushing job at Joja just to work for Joja elsewhere.

[@BoingotheClown]

I just did a Jojamart run, and got that sweet sweet achievement. It took me one in-game year. I imagine I could have done it sooner if I had put more effort into it, but I still did it in two real-world days, and that is good enough for me.

[@zaineoakley5555]

Sleep until winter and clay farm if you are good at clay farming you should finish in under 2 hours

[@zaineoakley5555]

Sleep until winter and clay farm if you are good at clay farming you should finish in under 2 hours

[@Estarile]

I'm currently trying to sneak around the achievement by getting all the cc bundles except the bulletin board, buying the membership - since the upgrades carry over I should immediately get the Jojo achievement. Then rerolling my save. The in game explanation will be it was a horrible nightmare my character had.

[@MushroomEater64]

Even if you do complete the community Center, it's still gonna be empty and soulless.

[@kenzielogic9405]

Minor correction - The Wizard will still sell you Junimo huts if you go the Joja route. I have done a pure CC run, a hybrid CC/Joja and a pure Joja run and have the huts on all three saves. :)

[@salmence100]

Oh huh, that’s interesting. I guess I never checked I just assumed

[@MalekitGJ]

​​@@salmence100hat's because you didn't went to the wizard for your soylatte. As long you drink and become "One with nature" you get the junimos. EDIT: you should anyways, since it works as an energy replenishment food.

[@ChadyotheWallnut]

This route is against the spirit of the game, you escape your horrible office job only to invite it back in at the country side?

[@meyy3667]

Its a simulation game, you choose what you want to do, not because the game told you to. That is why we have a variety of things to do in game. We can either choose to a farmer solely focusing on plants, artisan goods, mining or fishing. Having the choice of choosing between Joja or the Community Center shows that you as a player can choose what ending you want. You don't have to wrap yourself with "oh that is not how the game intend you to play". You play it the way you wanted. Whatmore, if you have played Stardew Valley for a long time, of course you would want to play it differently in other game files right? I did too. In my first game file, I did the community center route, in my second one I became a Joja member, on my third one I chose neither because I decided to become just a miner, in my fourth file I remixed the bundles to make it harder and played it again in the community center route. So on and so forth. You can play it however you want, add some spices to make every play through different. Play it in a way you enjoy. That's how you will get hooked and addicted to the game.

[@leaffinite2001]

​@@meyy3667 yeah but none of that changes the fact that the joja route is pretty clearly contrary to the games introduction and general vibe

[@ch3m1c4l_c0ff1n]

I can't believe that on my first ever playthrough I did the joja route. I think I was just overwhelmed by how difficult the community center looked but now I've completed the cc twice

[@liquidmetal9647]

You don’t have to lose out on all those bundle rewards. Just do the ones that you want.

[@triteraerlangga7917]

The only reason why I pick joja route is because I hate pierre so much

[@Lumophobia]

Thanks for covering this so I didn't have to dirty my hands and my switch w the joja route lmao

[@TheOliWatches]

I never go the Joja route unless I'm trying to go fast. in my mind, since the farmer is seen working for Joja at the start of the game and then leaving because the conditions are bad, why would we go back?

[@nanashialfarr]

he had a deskjob and worked for joja, but I see instead of him working for joja he is hiring joja's services.

[@laternerds7722]

I am part of the small minority who prefer the Joja route simply because I am a minmaxer at heart and the community center is way too frustrating

[@SilverDragonMoon18]

To give this route some credit, Joja does improve the town. The things they fix have varying importance, but they do fix them. Without the junimos, literal magic, nothing otherwise gets done either because of Lewis or what we can assume to be local politics

[@ashleyblack7419]

this is basically like the spongebob episode with the golden spatula. while spongebob makes one burger that everyone would love to eat, Neptune massproduces trash to feed to people.

[@jeffreyblack666]

But you left out the most important thing; by going down this route you haven't made Shane and Sam (and the nameless female character) jobless.

[@obi-wan-pierogi]

I haven’t done a Joja Run yet, I’m big on getting money as fast as possible so idk why I haven’t tried it yet tbh seems like it fits lol

[@salmence100]

Yeah I’ve never even considered doing a Joja run before, I’m surprised at how cheap the bundles are!

[@obi-wan-pierogi]

@@salmence100 I wonder if a modder could make the bundles more expensive to make the joja route more or a challenge. Or even add more things that happen at the end?

[@meekalionheart4981]

does siding with Joja mess with the ending score you get with grandpa?

[@salmence100]

Edited this comment: Yes, it turns out you do actually miss out on the 3 points that are awarded for completing the community center, and watching the community center cutscene.

[@UrbanOutlawsSk8Co]

The first run I did was the CC route for the satisfaction, but I’ll only do JoJa from now on for one big reason, JoJa has the auto petter for sell

[@kingdavid7516]

i get the intro is just a joke, but when it comes to "capitalism", you owning your private company, working hard (whether it's farming, fishing, mining, foraging, cooking, etc.) and selling the fruits of your labor is 100% capitalism. and even the community center is charity. you're not forced to give to the community, but it's the right thing to do. along with helping others, doing quests (jobs) for people in town. it's the most capitalist game i've ever played. i'm sure more capitalist games are out there, but i haven't played them. the joja mart way is the soulless, big corporate route - but it's no more or less capitalist than what the player is doing. i suppose if you had 4 players online and all shared, that'd be like a form of capitalism - and it'd work rather efficiently, too, because communism can work if you have a really small sample size, as opposed to an entire country.

[@Kee715]

Recettear is definitely more capitalist, running an item shop in a fantasy world.

[@Meowmeow.36dzielneprzez9]

12:03 i chose joja and i have junimos!! You just need to read the scroll and go to wizard. Then go to joja ^^

[@trueffetbysyqual]

i did the joja path with a farmer named Joja, farm named JojaMart, Joja shirt, blue skin, blue pants, blue hair, named my cat JojaPet and favorite thing was Joja.

[@randallraygoza9397]

love the joja route in gameplays after my 1st one when pierre closes i can still get seeds from joja as well as the movie theater is in a better spot

[@annika_0702]

I am doing the Joja way in my second playthrough where the farmer is kinda 'evil' (even named him Kai after Kai Parker from TVD 😅. I just want to see what happens when I choose all the 'negative' choices in cutscenes and questions. Probs would end up marrying the farmer to my least favourite NPC, have pixelated kids, divorce the npc, and move in with Krobus to start their illegal underworld empire hehehehehe ok.

[@TempoLOOKING]

....yup you just made another witch.

[@MidoriMushrooms]

In SP I do community center, I like the incentive to engage with all the game systems but in MP we do joja because my friends are stupid and organizing them into some semblance of a well-oiled machine is easier if I tell them to just grow a fuckton of parsnips and live in the mines while I fish and carry most of the weight.

[@angelganon8213]

After finally finishing my first community center run. Ill happily say joja will always be my choice to complete the cc from now on. Helping thr junimos was not fun or worth it

[@enbeast8350]

Can you still get shortcuts and Pam a house upgrade through Joja? I know those are normally Robin upgrades to town after the CC is done

[@philipwrighton]

Correction: The total amount vs. the bundle is 5000 off, making getting the bus via the community cheaper because you never paid for the subscription. So you have some money left over. Honestly, such a small amount doesn't change in reality.

[@1tiptip187]

First, it is a game and meant to be fun. It's something to play to relax and mentally detox from real life and have fun. People enjoying and having fun is what matters. So that said the Jojo route is simply a way to play a relaxing game if you aren't into the waiting for seasons or the cart to bring those last items the games hidden chance dice roll suddenly decided to be annoying about getting for some reason. Like for me the tiger trout that decided to not show until second year fall. And then as soon as I caught it and completed the bundle Krobus sold it the next day. Not even kidding. I do admit the game isn't very good at really bringing home why Jojo is so horrible. Other than disapointing Mayor Lewis and an occasional comment from people nothing really bad happens. You still Junimo huts, marriage options, talk to a bear in nature. And you get the auto petter easier LOL. While I know removing things to punish players for a option is bad it just seems story wise they could have done more. Like maybe have goals the other character had not happen. Actually show it hurting Peirre and shutting down or JoJo having vastly different options. I mean, Jojo could sign you up as a supplier so you can sell to them like you can the other stores. Maybe Jojo start offering other people's in towns services and such. Replace Junimo huts with Jojo perks.

[@sirk603]

What about the prices initially being lower than Pierre’s. Once you go down the route, his shop will be closed and replaced with a Joja one. The villagers could begin to talk about how the prices at joja rose to more than Pierre ever was. This wouldn’t actually happen to you, (maybe Morris can be like “oh since you helped I’ll give you a discount”) because that would be shit for gameplay, but you’d have to deal with the guilt from that. This would help to show the negatives of joja, without making the gameplay frustrating. Talking to villagers (especially people like Pam who are already struggling) and have them tell you about how Joja prices going up make it harder and harder to afford the cost of living. Not to even mention that Pierre lost his job, so him and his family would not be doing very well.

[@Kege-]

the weird fact that I have junimo hut but I'm on the joja route (too lazy to complete community center)

[@typofrick]

This would actually be great for speed runs though, not mentioning the moral implications.

[@SmacksWoW]

you can still buy the junimo huts on a joja run

[@silverofdrake7212]

not true, joja bus is more expensive then community center bus, is you see what you need to pay totally community center cost 42.500, then Joja boss cost 40.000 + 5000 so you can get the bus this way, so the bus will cost you 45.000

[@coolDude-sx6we]

Boiling Hot Take: But community center sucks

[@KaRaZorg]

I did this just for the steam achievement, and i'm surprised by how little people did this.

[@Tigerlady248]

You forgot the very best reason to sell you soul to Jojo Mart: the achievement!

[@mistypeaks1375]

Bro you sound like a young DF lol

[@bennydreamly]

I would honestly go for the bulletin board completion before starting on joja because then you get friendship! yay

[@Kaspigo]

Everyone shall fall to the might of the Joja!

[@Caffeine_Fueled_Gamer]

Hi you might see this with the video is older but found your videos , working my way through them, this playlist is soooooooooo helpful thank you , I'm not a major achievement hunter , but i do achievements on some games, i would do this jojo thing just to get the achievements i wouldn't make my farm special or fancy I'd just throw the farm together so i can get this achievement , then I'd delete the save , hope you do more Stardew Valley content , or walkthoughs on different farms maps.

[@elizabethshaw7472]

I'm surprised you didn't give your character the Joja Shirt. Are you sure you're part of the Joja family?

[@juliencolicchio1628]

With Joja path, I managed to get the greenhouse before the start of summer and enough experience in Farming allowing me to make strawberry seeds. I entirely filled my GH with strawberries and BAM, got rich enough to create barns and bought pigs a few days later. In my opinion the GH is better than the minecart.