Salt Lake City's Trolley Empire - Trolley Square

[@snazzy]

Fantastic video! I googled “Trolley Square” out of curiosity after picking up food at the Old Spaghetti Factory and was amazed to find such an information-dense, excellently researched, and fantastically presented documentary. Great work!!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!!!!

[@patrickoguinn4553]

I never knew Salt Lake City had such a large trolly system. Great story. Thanks.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Amazing right? And mostly gone.

[@spotts9668]

incredible history. thanks for another informative lesson on part of Utah's development

[@ToyManTelevision]

Amazing history. Really like to know more about Harriman and the UP relationship with the Mormon Church. What a great trolley system!

[@Mark-Milw42]

Street Cars.....Great! Wonderful approach to this mode of "modern transportation". I was in Trolley Square in the early 70's passing through while skiing in the mountains. Waited 45 years to really find out it's true history. Thanks "Teach".

[@ToyManTelevision]

I knew Wally. Long story, but great guy. Wonderful place, but never paid off. Sad. But still going, just not making any money. New owner, hope he does not screw it up and hope he figures out how to make it work.

[@cambridgeh.lutece6658]

The San Francisco Bay Area and Los Angeles also had a excellent trolley / interurban system! Man I love hearing about trolleys!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yes in San Francisco still has part of theirs. Not very much but certainly more than Los Angeles which has nothing left of the red cars

[@michaelmorgan9824]

I Loved Trolley Square my wife and I were married in 1973 and in June of 1974 decided to to travel around the U.S. we went to visit friends in Salt Lake City and Trolley Square had just opened and it was so cool and very memorable. Glad we were able to see it when it was new!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Not the same anymore. Was so much better then. Still.. not bad. Still a grand day out.

[@kenshores9900]

Never boring, but more than likely unique and a bit on the unusual side. I now know more than I ever wanted to know about the Great Salt Lake. Waiting for the next installment.

[@jacoblyman9441]

My favorite part of Trolley Square, the bridge from the parking lot to the mall over 600 South was an ore bridge at the Tooele International Smelter, and one of the few intact structures from that operation.

[@ToyManTelevision]

That's cool!! Wally got it for scrap value too. SCORE.

[@MikeP2055]

I always loved that bridge as a kid. Now I drive underneath it so many times a week that I barely even notice it. Thank you for reminding me of such fond memories.

[@averyfinewoman]

Hello, enjoyed the vid and history! I acquired a large 1:12 scale building commissioned by Barbara Wagner, that was supposed to be a replica of an emporium in 1900’s in or around trolley square, in SLC. She was sister in law to Izzy Wagner, and this building has 9 stores in it which I am rehabbing circa 1940’s era. I was told it was a trolley/bus barn prior to becoming the Wagner Emporium. Barbara passed away this fall so it has been difficult to get accurate information about this building, so this video was helpful, thank you!

[@buddyblair8878]

I loved the history of Salt Lake.We love to travel and see the museum's in the small towns, you get such more variety of things, than in the larger city's. Seattle Stoll runs electric buses to this day, but only in the downtown area.

[@ToyManTelevision]

We see them everywhere, except in the city that invented them. Sort of odd.

[@buddyblair8878]

Toy Man Television sad they lost that history

[@vincenthuying98]

Dear Dale and Karyn, found this golden oldie in my feed. Great episode on Salt Lake’s trolley system(s). Guess the Salt Lake trolleys fell victim to the Great American Streetcar Scandal, just like the fine mazed trolley and streetcar systems in so many other US cities!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Sadly yes. Huge trolley system in a town of 200,000 people. At least it’s sort of coming back. 10% as large in a city of 3,000,000.

[@azgrapefruit]

What great memories! We used to shop at Trolley Square when I was in med school...our kids loved The Old Spaghetti Factory! Thanks so much for your fun video😇

[@binghamcanyonandcopperking6339]

love the show, I have now watched them all, (182?) some over and over, of course my show on Bingham Canyon Mine is my favored. The one on Evanston Roundhouse is magical, great job keep it up Tim.

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

tim dumas Thanks for watching! And we will be looking for your posts on the Lark and Bingham Canyon pages on Facebook!!

[@jospenner9503]

Thank you for creating this video. I've recently become interested in the history of SLC trolley system.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jegas6796]

most thorough railfan i know.... and your narration etc ...right on both of you... very cool,great stuff

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks!!!

[@emeraldvalleywoodworking]

Fascinating history. Wonderful story. Look forward to your videos every week.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks

[@FightinAggieFarmer]

As soon as I saw the pictures of the trolly barns I was like wait I know that place. So cool to see it is still there.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Keeps changing. Less trolley barn all the time. Still a great place though.

[@humble801]

Love your videos I’m a sign painter here in Salt Lake City and I do a lot of historical work I would love to do some trolley inspired pieces!

[@ggsumner1947]

Very cool history lesson, and I loved the content. Thanks!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Love history. Except in school.

[@Blindguy919]

The one place I visit a lot, I would have love to see those old trolleys rolling throughout Salt Lake City

[@ToyManTelevision]

I’d love to see even one old trolley running on the Main Street line in the summer. San Jose has 4. Really nice addition to their lite rain.

[@Blindguy919]

Toy Man Television I think it would be nice if uta could run at least one trolley in the downtown area.

[@lancebastnagel1350]

Another truly great and super informative video. I always look forward to my TMS ... Toy Man Sundays

[@pbyfr]

The Trolley square looks like an amazing place. It is a shame that the trolley(bus) were removed without another mass transport system. But most cities removing trams did it (I know only about Tokyo which did not, replacing each tram line by a subway line).

[@ToyManTelevision]

San Francisco kept much of theirs. And the rest became trolley busses. And still are. Fun to see. AND they are now expanding the whole system.

[@jameswest8280]

Am I the only one that wishes the old trollies were still in service?

[@tjorgensen2007]

Great Video!! I always liked the Trolley Square for its structure and its stores. The Spaghetti Factory is the place for some great food and environment. Ruths cafe is also a one to get some wonderful food.

[@ToyManTelevision]

And great history!

[@nxkworld]

You two are so fantastic. Thanks for sharing these experiences. You present the information in such a neat way. Your editing is also quite nice. You're so good and keep it up. Thanks for sharing.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Our pleasure! Thanks!!!!!

[@stikibunn]

The Trolley Barn is really impressive. Here in Melbourne we are famous for our trams but we have lots of smaller tram depots instead of one big impressive structure. I also like the look of Trolley Square today and I think it looks nice today.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Great place. Interesting to see what happens when a huge railroad opts to build a trolley system.

[@wolfbyte3171]

Seems I'm a little late to the party here, but I really enjoy your videos, super informative and I love the sound effects! I shall add, as further compensation, some trolley facts from the area I grew up in: the Twin Cities of Minnesota! The Twin City Rapid Transit Co. was quite a bustling system, with streetcars running all over the place, and even Lake Minnetonka having these so-called "Streetcar Boats" that ran across the lake to connect the lines! There's an interesting book about it you may really enjoy: Twin Cities by Trolley. I had the opportunity to meet the author of this book, John W. Diers, and he was a really swell guy (at the time I was considering becoming a train driver, so I had met discussing railroad careers, but he was still a nice guy). There's a few preserved trolley lines up here, alongside the new light rail, and I was attempting to volunteer once as an operator for the Como-Harriet Line, but those plans fell through. If you and Karyn ever find the time to head to Minneapolis (probably in the summer), I'm sure you'd find a lot to enjoy!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Been up there a few times. Went to a "Lake Festival" at Fulda because my friend was from there and we thought it would be fun. Lots of drinking as I recall. Sort of a blur as there was lots of drinking. As I recall.

[@MikeP2055]

I live straight north of Trolley Square in The Aves and can look right down 600 east from my balcony at the islands in the street where the rails used to run. I've always been fascinated with the Trolleys. I'd love to find a map of all the lines because I've been told they ran east/west along 6th and 9th Avenues. (I think it was 9th . . . ?) It's wild to think of trolleys going up the hills into The Aves, haha. Very cool video! (Also, seeing all the old pictures of Salt Lake from 100 years ago bums me out a little. SO MANY historic buildings have been razed to make room for hideously ugly structures, and they're still at it. The fate of the Salt Lake Pantages Theater is a crying shame.)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup. Did you see our series on the railroads of John w young? The salt lake and fort Douglas ran 3 foot shays along 1st Ave.

[@odalesaylor]

Great stuff. Love learning history like this.

[@ToyManTelevision]

We love finding old stuff and stories.

[@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674]

everytime I see your little spaceship I am reminded of the old Flash Gordon television series spaceship I always chuckle when the smoke from Flash Gordon's ship went faster than the ship did

[@ToyManTelevision]

In one episode they open the door to toss a bomb out before it blows them up. BUt the wind on the door almost makes it impossible!!! Speeding along at light speed really makes it hard to open the door!!!!

[@HighCoup333]

You two really do make a such good show! Real fun to watch and full of so many interesting factoids and tidbits. You've done more than adequate research, the show is always well written, and you are always so careful with production and vocal recordings. Pro level. I'm always impressed!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Thanks! Had a bunch of fun with this one!!

[@davidcurtis5398]

I'm told (by my Dad) that there was a good trolley system in central Indiana where I grew up at one time. I found parts of it while hiking as a scout. We used the track bead for a trail and eventually they made an actual trail out of it. There were the low bridge remenants and all of that. It went from Indianapolis to New Castle to Muncie and most all of the small towns between these cities.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Seems every city had some sort of trolley. Even the heart of automobile land.

[@coolrides]

Lots of interesting things about those trolley lines! My home town had two, both ending in amusement parks...ensured ridership on the weekend! :) Jack

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Jack R I also remember the story you told about what nearly happened to your mom, living in Spring City, PA. Quite some interesting times back in the day.

[@coolrides]

Hey, Karyn! Yes, those big old cars could be scary if their brakes failed, going down a hill! :) Jack

[@SuperDutch56]

Always learn new and interesting things from your videos Dale, this one included. And as you said "Fun stuff"!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Great story!! And I only made up a little bit. Shame it all vanished. But great to still have trolley Square

[@kerridillon3120]

Hello Dale, Karyn & the Rat Fink!Your commentary & subject matter is always so interesting & informative! I especially like the Western background music with the violins. Keep up the good work of screwing around! When you come visit me here in Southern California, I'll take you to the Olde Spaghetti Factory, which is located right next to the Amtrak station in beautiful Olde Towne Fullerton. You can grab your meatballs & spaghetti & take the train down to lovely Mission San Juan Capistrano! ;)

[@karynfelix-the-Cat]

Ahhh.. Fullerton! Been through there many, many times! Rat Fink likes to visit Pep Boys, not far from there on South Harbor Blvd... He likes to talk shop with Manny, Moe, and Jack!!

[@businessbuilding1]

Absolutely love your commentary! Keep these videos coming and greetings from Canada!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Do you guys need any politicians? We have plenty of ones we can spare. Love you people!! Sorry we are not better neighbors. We figure to screw around having fun one way or the other so all good.

[@AndyCrawford_NorfolkWestern]

I agree, but I don't think much of anywhere in the first world wants our politicians now.... :) I don't think many of us want em. But on the good stuff, your commentary makes it, and you often drive serious interest in me in topics such as traction, that I may have never had that interest in. I am a historical modeler and history buff, modeling a accurate to prototype layout of a portion of the N&W in April-May 1950. There will be electric helpers up the hill under wire eventually when I get to model to that portion. Thank you for your efforts, I as many do, really enjoy your work and look forward to them weekly.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I modeled the Salt Lake and Garfield traction back in the 8o's Gone but not forgotten. oscaleguys.com/sites/layouts/BandS/salt_lake_news.html

[@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674]

thank you for your knowledge and expertise history lesson and photographs are very much appreciated General Motors was the demise of the Trolley system in Detroit

[@ToyManTelevision]

People love cars. Detroit loves money.

[@macguysgarage]

That was so cool! :) (I feel like the "accidental tourist" cause only running across this episode now lol) That was really interesting, I only got to ride the trolley's here in the Pgh area a couple of times when I was a kid and my grandmother took me down town to see the sites and stop for a "special lunch"--we then would usually end up over at station square (which was always loved). The other "cool" thing I like about trolley's is they developed the "trolley park" (aka amusement park...another thing i love) to get riders to ride more often (former Idora Park and West View Park come to mind! :) )This was a another awesome show! I love all the train history(and other thngs too) that you guys have (you remind me of the Rick Sebak episode I would always watch). Please....Keep screwing around! I love it! (no emoji for beer glass :( haha)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. Yeah I love the old trolley inside love riding trolleys even the most modern ones and a lot of people don’t know that bit of history about the connection with amusement parks and trolleys. They really oh their existence to each other. Starting in about 1900 or even early or amusement park started spraying it up all over the place as a way of building business for the trolley lines

[@joellekarma]

the 1st photo of the trolley with the mules pulling itis so cute I love mules they are so smart,

[@ToyManTelevision]

Started with horses. But soon went to mules. Better I assume. BUt expensive. As soon as electricity came, boy did they change fast.

[@trainroomgary]

Hi guys / Cool tour. / The automotive companies in Detroit, had them all removed in 1956. We are the motor city and no room for trollies. Sad. • Cheers from The Detroit & Mackinac Railway 🚂

[@ToyManTelevision]

Shame, but people wanted CARS!!!!

[@wmjwell]

Wow great history as always!!!!!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Do you watch a week from Tuesday we’re doing more stuff on Solitaire and a week from Tuesday were doing something on trolley Square as well

[@billvassar7473]

love your vid on OT&W train show at thanksgiving point i was instrumental in getting the show there as i was the president of OT&W and we were looking for a larger venue for our shows

[@ToyManTelevision]

That would be great. All train shows are FUN. Big is Funner!!

[@jegas6796]

toyman said funner! what awful grammar sounding so darn fun... lol ENJOY the train shows! yay it is funner all the time to be railroading... unless installing track with spikes and a mallet lol

[@ToyManTelevision]

Funner is funner that funnerer. Yet I don't think you can ever have too much fun. By I don't think I don't mean I don't think. I think, therefore I screw around. I think.

[@ggsumner1947]

I need to vacation in Utah, and especially Salt Lake City. So many cool things there

[@ToyManTelevision]

Fun stuff!!! And Mormons too. What more could you want?

[@dadfk52]

Great video I love old trollys. we had trolley buses in Chicago.

[@ToyManTelevision]

They had them mostly EVERYWHERE. Except in Salt Lake where they invented them. Just weird.

[@TroublesomeSlateTruck]

Good Work With The Video.

[@patrickoguinn4553]

Love your show. You two are so much fun.

[@BariandHamza]

Went to Tolley Square Back in 1976, on a trip from England.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Hi. It’s changed a lot. But still wonderful.

[@jonheller2307]

As always, great info, great production values. what ever happened to the idea to electrify the UP?

[@ToyManTelevision]

They still keep talking about it! Over 100 years, and still talking. They did put in a short test section back in the 90's but it came to nothing. As long as gas is "cheep" they never will.

[@jonheller2307]

National Cities Lines, conglomerate formed to eliminate trolleys in favor of motor vehicles and buses, out most large metro systems out of the rail business.

[@royreynolds108]

The big problem of electrifying a railroad is the cost of stringing the catenary wire and associated electrical supply. It is a large first cost to save operating expense that makes the change uneconomic unless there is a lot of traffic. The Butte, Anaconda & Pacific RR electrified in the early 1900's for economic reasons but changed to diesel/electric when the maintenance costs of the electric system rose past operating with d-e locomotives. The original GE locomotives were used till the end. The traction voltage was 1500 V dc. There are several industrial railroads around the country hauling coal from the mine to the power plant using 25K or 50K V ac 60 cycle or hertz. These lines are strictly one commodity dedicated use. The NE Corridor has enough traffic density to justify the expense of electrification even though the Pennsy did it in the 20's and 30's.

[@jonheller2307]

Understood, thanks

[@johnsampson9204]

Between 1938 and 1950 Firestone, Standard Oil and General Motors used a shell corporation to buy up and scrap trolley systems all over the country. GM busses then took over the service formerly provided by the street cars.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Probably why the trolley busses were in Salt Lake for such a short time

[@CSLenhart]

Thanks for the fantastic video! very informative and extremely well made. Could anyone point me to the quote by Harriman, that building infrastructure is always the right thing to do? Thanks!

[@ToyManTelevision]

I missed it just a bit. 1906 Harriman to W.H. Bancroft. VP of the OSL and Pres of Utah Light and Railway. " I cost's something of corse, but it makes a city. It builds up a State. Let the good work go on". I found this quote in Utah Ghost Rails. by Carr. But it's been quoted in many places.

[@CSLenhart]

Toy Man Television Thanks for your response! I wish more of our modern industrialists had the same love for creating infrastructure as people like Mr Harriman and Andrew Carnegie, to name a few.

[@ToyManTelevision]

There is a "con job" going on these days that "saving money" is the key to success. Reminds me of the guy why found that when he slowed down for 80 MPH to 60 MPH he saved gas, so he slowed to 10MPH and when that made matters lots worse he stopped thinking that would really save gas. After a day he ran out of gas sitting idling in his driveway wondering what went wrong. Ford would tell him that you make money by investing money, and getting the government to build and improve roads.

[@megalosaurusstudios2]

What if the trolleys where brought back in service on the light rail system in Utah?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Several cities have done that include in San Jose. I would love to see a couple of restored trolleys running on Main Street between South Temple and sixth south. They have crossover tracks so it would be really easy for the trolleys to just go back-and-forth across that approximately 1 mile stretch of Main Street.

[@Blindguy919]

I am visually impaired, the streetcar system that uta has right now is good. However, it’s not as great as it could’ve been like it was back then. Never saw it myself. As I walk through the streets of Salt Lake, I wonder and think of the rail lines that used to pass through.

[@ToyManTelevision]

It’s a darn shame they took it out. Now putting in back in. It was great. It’s becoming great again

[@Blindguy919]

Toy Man Television yes, I am glad that they are putting it back in. Although there is no longer 146 miles worth of streetcar tracks. There’s only about 45, it is still good. It is expanding more. I enjoy your channel very much, it is very interesting. Would you do some more research on the Salt Lake and Utah into urban line? I live in SpanishFork. That line pass through here, I would like to know more about it

[@danieljames4405]

My brother and I live near trolley square in the early 60s we would climb the fence as the whole square was fenced in we would get up into the water tower and get some pigeons as they were very docile in there. We put them in our burlap sack and took them home. We sold some to the neighbor kids also. taking them out of there and sell them to our friends for cheap. one day someone saw something there we were just little kids and they called the police and the fire department ended up coming out and made us stay up there and they got us down. Then they took us home and my mom whooped her butt. It was the worse whiping I've ever had !

[@ToyManTelevision]

Wow. You should not of gotten a beating! Hell anyone would have done that!!! Perhaps not even he birds… but heck yea!

[@utahcoasterenthusiasts]

There have been 3 incarnations of Saltair. I'm writing a book on the resort.

[@ToyManTelevision]

I got to see two.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Planning a show on doing some archaeology at the site of the first two

[@utahcoasterenthusiasts]

@@ToyManTelevision That's cool. Its fun to go out there and explorer. Once my book is finished, I'll be doing a documentary to compliment my book. Are you going out with the Utah Division of State History and their two guided tours they are giving?

[@farmerdave7965]

At one time the Salt lake trolley system had 3 grand unions which was a rarity.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Right! All in heavy rail too. Amazing system.

[@1800clyde]

Don't do what momma said: Keep screwing around you guys! The more you present of your area the more I want to go grab the wife and head out there. Thank you so much for all of the information, history, and awesome videography. Very entertaining fo' sho' ;)

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yup!! Hi. Were back from an adventure that failed. Sort of. Still a grand day out. But a road we thought was public is UP and no trespassing so we left. No matter. Saw some cool airplanes

[@nowayjerk8064]

iv done a little calculation and no the eagle will fly if you threw it(im no rocket scientoligest though). nice vid thanks for sharing . cant wait for the eagle vid soon.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Perhaps if we scan and 3D print the thing.....

[@HDPersonal777]

Great videos! Have you researched Tartaria/mudflood/reset theories? They go into old tech and architecture, mudflooded, etc. There’s a few youtubers that focus on that and the Jon Levi channel talks about Utah a lot too. Utah is a major hot spot I think and I grew up there! Pity the nice things were all pretty much gone by the 1980’s. Thank you for sharing!

[@michaelrollo6518]

if you guys have a chance while screwing around check out Bill Everette's trolly empire on youtube video he has a massive layout all scrach built all the way down to the over 5000 trollies plus layout

[@kermitthefrog1873]

I heard that in 2007, there was a mass shooting in the Trolley Square. Was that true?

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yes. An off duty cop shot the guy after about 30 minutes of him shooting people. Horrid. I just don't get it.

[@brandonschurman5797]

I wish trolley systems were in Detroit that would be fun

[@ToyManTelevision]

They are coming back, so who knows....

[@candleflame4355]

don't forget Gm helped kill trollies using it's subsidiaries, buses and cars.

[@ToyManTelevision]

That they did.

[@tylerciurej8818]

he is a suggestion you should come to Fort Collins, Colorado and learn about it history and a good place to go to is fort collins museum of discovery

[@tylerciurej8818]

this town history is awsome

[@dunnyboy4]

Ruler of the Universe Adventures yes

[@ToyManTelevision]

I have (somewhere) footage of the trolley. On our plans. Soon!!! Cheyenne, south to Ft Collins, south to Denver, shooting everything along the way. South to Colorado Springs and Manitou Springs then Florence back to I 70 and back to SLC. HUGE TRIP.

[@tylerciurej8818]

take the cog railway up to pikes peak when in Manitou Springs it is a great ride

[@dunnyboy4]

And come to La junta and say hi

[@brushcreek42]

Nicely done, but you referred to the horse drawn cars as "trolleys". The term "trolley" refers to the trolley pole and wheel of the electric streetcars. The horse drawn cars were known as "bobtail cars", "streetcars" or just "cars". I see that Toronto, Canada finally removed their horse drawn streetcars in 2016 as shown in this article: syruptrap.ca/2015/05/toronto-to-phase-out-horse-drawn-streetcars/

[@bobross3080]

GM probably gave them a deal on new diesel buses, so they scrapped the trolley bus. Just like they did in other cities when GM paid to have the old trolley tracks ripped up.

[@ToyManTelevision]

People back then were into "modern" Tear out the old!!! Buy the new!!! Shame they didn't see trolley buses as "new".

[@karenwright3683]

Interesting, but the origin of the stained glass dome is not correct.

[@Intransitman]

The problem is that government is anti-rail. Roads are not expected to be profitable to survive.

[@ToyManTelevision]

Depends. Some in government are very pro rail. Teamsters and truck companies hate them. Environmentalists love them. Pro trade people need them. Just depends on who is buying the politician.

[@chorton38305]

Hopefully, someone won't get the bright idea of "remodeling" or "updating" the Old Spaghetti Factory and ruin it!

[@ToyManTelevision]

Yes. It's all thats left of Wally's original dream...

[@Mike-tg7dj]

I know our city is kicking itself for dumping its trolley system. The city is struggling with mass transit. We voted down a tax increase that would have strapped us with the highest sales tax in the country. The backers should have sold us on the plan rather than a multi-billion dollar tax package. I might ought to mention that it was presented by a mayor that resigned from office as part of a plea bargain arrangement that suspended felony charges brought against her. It seems that she took party funds without the authority and took a personal trip to Washington D. C. with her personal bodyguard. This was a personal trip and not on government business but it was on the Democratic Party's dime only they weren't aware of it. I guess she must have thought that seeing that she was a Democrat then she was entitled to that money after all she was the mayor and member of that party, she was entitled right? right? In the end Nashville like Salt Lake a state capital with a rich history and trolley system history as well however, that where we differ Nashville has turned its trolley barns into loft apartments and where ever there were tracks they either ripped them up or paved over them. I love the idea of a solid mass transit program but I don't want it shoved down my throat. I'd be the first to say that automobiles are the bane of our existence with its mass consumption of hydrocarbons and expulsion of CO, CO2 and various other gases. Like junkies we don't want to let go of the stuff in this case gasoline using automobiles. In Nashville's case no one has laid out a solid plan that would work. A few years back the eastern part of our region has experimented with commuter rail service. It operates Monday through Friday basing it on when I hear the departure horn which is about 6:18 am and the last is about 8:40 am this is the morning run it doesn't pickup again until 3:50 with the last train departing Hermitage station at 5:55 pm. They do run a late train on Friday night that departs inbound Hermitage at 7 pm and last run outbound to points east 10:35 pm. This only benefits people east of Nashville and those who work 9 am to 5pm. In short we have a hot mess here and it isn't beneficial to any one. No uses because who wants have to interchange with downtown if going from east to south? The disadvantage to those who struggle economically spend enormous amounts of time waiting for the bus. This is really a sad state of affairs. Sorry for the rant Mr. Television.

[@ToyManTelevision]

We had a republican mayor who got involved with a real estate scam and the courts told her she could avoid doing 5 years IF she paid back the missing 2 million. SO all the developers kicked in money to cover the 2 million in exchange for zoning changes, building permits, loan backing and so on. And the locals were OK with it because she was a republican. We need to stop looking at peoples party and look at their actions. Crooks is crooks. Black, white, republican, democrat, whig, mormon jew, If they break the law...... AND the political hacks need to stop getting their way by attacking. No trolley!! We need cars!! Trolleys are evil! How about we need both. And busses. And when they need to rase money, be honest about the costs. As a voter I can't make an informed decision when all I'm given are lies and misinformation. When they started rebuilding the Salk Lake system it cost way more the the proponents said it would. AND it was way more successful than the opponents said it would be. People LOVE it. AND are willing to spend the REAL amount of money it takes to build more.

[@20hztimanderson85]

Amazing how the settlement went from wagons and tents to insta city just add Mormon?

[@ToyManTelevision]

In 1869 when the railroad came it changed everything. But well before the civil war it was clear that that would happen and salt lake would become, for a time, one of the most important cities in America.

[@20hztimanderson85]

The new salt lake city? According to your narrative.....it was just founded..... This is so fake....