Salty Sunday #30 - RANT!

Reynad can be a salty guy but I think there is merit to what he is saying. What is your opinion on Hearthstone card design?
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[@psy5930]

He's salty but he's right.

[@dharcsu]

true, but why do people keep trying to think of hearthstone as a competitive game, because it has a competitive scene? that shits retarded, just treat it as a fun. casual game. please people.

[@sadsheep]

Too much rng ruins the fun of it being casual though.

[@dgv594]

+Durk Derk the entire ranked system forces you to be competitive to ever get above rank 15. also saying that the game shouldn't be competitive just implies that it isn't a good game, but just some random trash phone game that you play 2 hours and then uninstall. Hearthstone is the most popular card game period. A game that used to be so great doesn't deserve to go down into the casual mobile game realm

[@sadsheep]

William bock This is the best counter argument about hearthstone just being a "casual game" You don't get to make the most successful game in an entire genre, promote the esports scene and then try saying "it's not a competitive game" Like you said, the only way to be successful is using good competitive decks. Want to try and build your own control deck that is geared towards completely countering aggro? Too bad, aggro just does the same thing against every deck and STILL has a good chance to win against these control decks. What a fucking joke.

[@dharcsu]

sadsheep And why would they change anything? no matter what they do people will still play. The game has a longer life span if each game is RNG based.

[@Drip.Drop.]

Even though it may seem like reynad bitches a lot, his points are always valid and accurate.

[@elledul6287]

nice try reynad

[@Drip.Drop.]

got em

[@frickckYTwhatswrongwmyusername]

Yup, he lost because he couldn't answer his opponent's minion. I totally agree with him.

[@SgtBrutalisk]

+AllegedPhilo amazing comment, you hit the nail on the head. Chakki once mentioned how he got scolded by Blizzard for spotting missed lethal, resulting in future casters memeing the shit out of tournaments.

[@crimsonfury949]

Reynad provides top quality salt on consistent basis 10/10

[@taylorfiksdal2895]

At this point I play my 40 gold quests (60 gold quests take too long) and I am done with hearthstone for the day. If I can get away with it I only play hearthstone once every 3 days for quests then I am done.

[@lucianogonzalez8597]

I log once a month, get to rank 20 and then keep waiting for a expansion to fix this game

[@paulofaquin]

same bro....same...just played on the old gods expansion...but since then...just waiting 3 days...logging once per day just to change quests to get something easy,and doing the 3+ getting the tavern pack,I used to play with my GF,she doesnt even wanna log to do the quests anymore...

[@tenrecc]

I did that too untill a month ago when I actually quit, because I had this exact realization. Doing the quests was a grind I did because I wanted the gold, not because the game had an ounce of fun left. And I've given up hope really, Blizzard has clearly shown that they don't want their game to be based on skill and insight, they want it to be based on tons and tons of RNG and just decks going face.

[@playlistsefavoritos]

Why even play then? It's not your job.

[@viniciusdenucci96]

I was doing the same til OniK, now not even doing my quest, just tavern and rank 20

[@rnelson1415]

I agree with this 100%. I am that guy that he mentions that quit the game because I saw with the direction the game was taking after Naxx. Instead of trying to keep up with the RNG I quit because I'm a control player at heart and I got sick of losing to crap you can't plan for and play around.

[@randomerpro]

Ricky Nelson Yeah, I'm a priest main, and I got tired of Blizzards shit. "It's an unfun class" excuse can fuck right off. Shadowverse is great tho.

[@catch.22]

i love duelyst

[@Miklaous]

@ReapingChronos Priest main here too. I agree, and what's more annoying is that they "try to fix' priest with pushing an RNG type of deck which is resurrect priest. It can be insane and trash at the same time. It's unfun to play, and unfun to play against. I played 2 years mainly priest, but i just can't anymore... Unfortunately i am addicted to the game, but at least there are some fun bad decks, ot i can play priest on wild. I might try weebverse though. I liked Duelyst, it just couldn't keep me playing. So i stopped.

[@Miklaous]

So my point is that they said priest was unfun, and after that, they made priest unfun. Nice job Blizzard!

[@Overthought7]

Just switched from HS to Shadowverse. Not a fan of the art/graphics, but I just ignore it. Honestly, I did that with Hearthstone as well, to a lesser degree. Hearthstone has always been marketed at least partly to kids.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

8:28 Translation: "I'd fire those fucking idiots that are responsible for the current shitty state Hearthstone is in."

[@ruiolavo2426]

"people are quitting hearthtone more and more often" And again, he is 100% right. Its sad how no one listens to Reynad and he is the one who is right. Just because he is salty? Don't fuck with me saying that most of the gamers aren't salty. If blizzard would listen to him, i'm sure that the game would improve, instead of the complete RNG its been since Naxx. Plus you got shaman that went from worst class, to broken.

[@christopherhall1216]

He's not "the one" who's right. Many streamers talk about how Hearthstone isn't very good. Even Kibler, who tries to spin everything to the positive, discusses how hearthstone would be better if they had listened to him. Hearthstone isn't a competitive game. Not when there are so many decks that can just kill on turn 5-7 with little to no counter plays available.

[@nguyentienchung9913]

You do not want Priest to be broken, trust me. Event currently when they're bottom tier, whenever I have to play against their constant stream of resurrected 4/7 and Entomb I just want to kill myself.

[@ruiolavo2426]

i want balance with none of the classes broken

[@dmv4343]

Because blizzard realized that plebs just love RNG. Yogg saron prooved that. Its fckin crazy that blizzard even came up with that idea, but even more sad part is - people liked it. And then they were forced to nerf it because it basically were included in every fckin deck and were deciding alot of matches. I think they need to nerf ragnaros to 9 mana now , because i think this blizzcon is gonna be decided by ragnaros.

[@reedg4542]

That would make priest even more trash then he already is lol

[@mani225456]

Casualstone is a competitive joke. Game is absolutely horribly designed strategy-wise and it is getting worse with each expansion. Creators don't communicate with playerbase and don't give a shit for anything other than expanding the consumer circle while actual quality of the game comes last. Behind flashy animations, increasingly faster, dumber gameplay and non-interactive game elements. If it didn't have Blizzard's promotion and Warcraft universe behind it, nobody with IQ higher than 80 would play it. Most of the playerbase is in denial and that is understandable. I was for some time too because of the money and time I spent, hoping things would go for the better. They won't. Sometimes I get the feeling that Reynad is the only HS streamer that sees how bad and shallow this game actually is and that 95% of community is somehow oblivious of that fact. Guys, no matter how much time and money you already invested into the game, if you are not enjoying it, just stop playing. Send a messagge to these lazy money-grabbing creators not worthy of your time and money. This game is simply bad right now and it will probably stay bad because they don't have skills nor intention to fix it. They took the lazy money-grabbing aproach and adapted the game to super-casual public and their only interest is milking it as much as possible. I was playing since beta, invested a lot of time and money because I saw potential for a great, competitive, strategic but accessible card game based on a fantastic and well known universe. Instead, I got more and more furious with their game design choices, starting with GvG, quit a few months ago and never looked back. Probably one of the best decisions I've made this year. But I still can't stop watching Salty Sunday series when it pops up on my KZbin suggestions.

[@aliyahdel2721]

Now look at the game... completely dead. Blizzard is doing everything they can to get people playing again. Lol.

[@bratukha204]

>I have a great joke to tell you guys >hearthstone as an e-sport competitive game >crowd laughing for 5 fucking decades idek XDddDDDdDddddDdD

[@myexistenceisamomentarylap815]

All games or at least all card games by their very nature are competitive; it's only a matter of how much. When you play a game *against* someone where the objective is to defeat them, what do you think that is? It's *competition* and to say otherwise only makes you sound like an idiot.

[@bratukha204]

I was talking about the actual professional competitive scene of the game but ok man

[@myexistenceisamomentarylap815]

Soomin Chae And I addressed that by saying that it is only a matter of *how* competitive the game is. But also, Blizzard is mostly to blame for Hearthstone being seen as competitive on a professional level because they send horribly mixed signals by doing things like holding Hearthstone tournaments, if they don't want the game to be seen as competitive than they shouldn't do that because it is confusing and sends the wrong message.

[@bratukha204]

But thats the thing though? The game swings based on your luck and randomness, how can it be an actual "e-sports" when the skill doesnt really matter at all? I hate when reynad shits himself all over when he gets unlucky or some shit - you know the game depends on luck, you fucking know it, stop crying about it honestly

[@myexistenceisamomentarylap815]

But think about it from his perspective - If he stops playing Hearthstone most of if not all of his subs will stop watching and then he loses the only source of fiscal income he has; so he's basically forced to keep playing the game no matter how bad it is or becomes. How would you feel if the only way that you had to make money was something you completely hated doing (I don't know you, maybe it is but still) it's a shitty fucking feeling being forced into something you hate just so that you can take care of yourself. Then add people getting to watch you go through the shit and laughing and making fun of you for it (Twitch Chat) that just clouds and builds onto the problem and you find yourself in a living hell. I actually don't blame Reynad for being salty under those conditions and respect that he can take it with as much emotional maturity and in as much stride as he does.

[@undeadnightorc]

2:26 Did he unsquelch his opponent?? This isn't Reynad. Who is this imposter??

[@shaneSAYSlawlballs]

He was just checking to make sure he had him squelched.

[@minifatben]

Barnes should be a rogue legendary that's acceptable not a card all classes can use because it becomes broken for example anubarak is kind of underwhelming but you put that card in priest or warrior and you literally break the game card balance needs to be focused more on class interaction

[@TzarNicco]

olong jhonson make him a 2/3. That way it's a wager to play him. If he's a yeti in worst case... he's broken. Make it a risk.

[@buildings_and_food]

you're right. he even fits that new Rogue theme mechanic

[@mannoesgehtnix]

I agree that would have been way better, but unstable portal was the same, still hated for when it won you the game. They should generally keep high rng cards out of the game, cards that either summon a 1/1 or a 10/10. How can this be fun. I think RNG cards should generally be BAD, like Yogg now. Compared to Barnes he should be a 1/1 himself, most of the time being bad but okay if you build a deck around him always hitting highmanes or yshaarj

[@minifatben]

But that's the thing he shouldn't be able to hit high mane right that's where the problem is like in rouge he can get good things auctioneer tomb pillagers etc but in hunter for example everything he gets is just obnoxious and hunter didn't build the deck around him the dude just went well I run high mane kindly grandmother infested wolf etc the power level is just way off and the ysharrj thing isn't really a problem like its so stupid and like 20 things can go wrong it's just a meme really

[@minifatben]

There needs to be more class legendarys and they need to be thought out more for example herald volazj just isn't a priest card it literally doesn't fit and makes no sense but that card in Mage or rogue in particular would be in everyone's list for sheer value imagine tomb pillager into volazj into auctioneer with two coins that's pretty good or tempo Mage copying flamewakers the girl so you can play out your hand for free or just plain spell damage they need better card designers blizzard dosent seem to pay attention to how their own game actually works it's frustrating

[@TheJay104]

They push their ideas way too much even if people don't like them and not enough listening to what the community wants to see instead, just look at the priest drama which just happened.

[@luminous3558]

The money went to their head and they have a way too loyal fanbase

[@Zerphy08]

what? People are finally figuring out that hearthstone is 98.678543% luck and each game is a fucking joke. Thought that was common knowledge.

[@FellTheSky]

Dud, this is blizzard we are talking about. Blizzard fangays WILL play any shit that comes out of blizzards butthole and will defend it against anyone. People are just that brain dead. Thankfully i uninstalled HS and just watch reynad and forsen from time to time

[@chimmychunga]

+Indialien Jones Most TCGs and CCGs are random. The RNG in Hearthstone is ridiculous though. Blizzard says it is to try and bring in new players. All they are doing is driving away their hardcore HS fanbase.

[@trackpadpro]

Uninstalled many years ago and never once felt like playing again, but the Hearthstone days had the best music, streamers, and sound effects. Gotta consume some content now and then still.

[@EyeTry203]

I cringe when reading Reynad's chat. He has almost managed to ban everyone that isn't a drooling fanboy.

[@BioChemistryWizard]

lmfao yupppppp

[@mamspugeti6931]

pretty sure that was sub mode...

[@BioChemistryWizard]

An lol tell em

[@emberwaves311]

I hate hearing this. Yes Reynad has a "dream" job because he makes money playing video games and people pay him to do so. but it is a job and people only watch him(in the numbers he is used to) when he plays hearthston, a game he clearly hates or at least cant stand some aspects of it. He is a slave to keep this dream job and stream a game he doesnt want to play just because that it what the people want. idk I could rant more but you wont respond in any reasonable manner so scooter banjo porkgrind bye

[@AlmostAnyGame]

An lol, If you complain about your job, do you just quit on the spot and find a new one? Because that just sounds ridiculous. It just so happens that this guy's job is on display to people whenever he's working. Don't pretend that your job never sucks so bad that you never complain, because that's just rude. Everyone's job sucks pretty bad at some point. As it happens, this is that point for this guy. And he's right, for what it's worth. His job has been shitting on him, but he won't quit because he enjoys it. It's obvious from the way he talks about Hearthstone. He really does, or did, enjoy Hearthstone enough to play it religiously. Besides, he couldn't just "switch the game" because that risks making a significant portion of his viewers stop watching. Hence, I think, the paid promotions a lot of Hearthstone streamers have been taking recently; they're testing the waters to see how much their viewers want to see of these new games.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

3:05 total bullshit, he's been seething since that Barnes drew him a good card.

[@connortrempe2884]

Can we just acknowledge the fact that at 9:00 the shaman not only was able to roll a spell power totem, but when he maelstorm portaled he got fucking flame imp. People just don't realize that Reynad is truly unlucky.

[@danielbiddle1096]

So refreshing seeing you speak my feelings towards Hearthstone Reynad. Im an MTG player at heart and this game just has too much RNg stacking to make it feel actually rewarding when you win. When i win it feels more like a "phew i made it through that one alive" instead of genuinely feeling like i outplayed someone.

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

3:07 biggest lie in the world.

[@dule2887]

The game is just shit on a competitive level. Matter of fact that game should just e made for casuals.

[@dtczyk8976]

This video should be sponsored by shadow verse. I don't like hearthstone anymore and decides to switch games and I like it better

[@aarOuOn]

In a better world, we would all just switch to Shadowverse...

[@aarOuOn]

Well, Faeria is a good game but I think it's not as comparable to HS. Shadowverse is basically just HS's model done better in every way.

[@holyflygon]

i think when it comes to this card he over reacts a bit. but when he bitched about yogg yea i can see that being dumb rng and tustkar but i never got that pissed off about one game in hearthstone that i just out right stopped playing and hated the world because of it

[@luminous3558]

this card is worse than yogg because atleast yogg comes at turn 10 and needs some build up. barnes just spawns a random deathrattle or rag and wins the game

[@Slimpack4321]

Did barnes really win the game for the opponent in this video? It definitely swung things in the hunter's favor. But if that deadly shot didn't hit the best target, and that Rag didn't hit the best target, Reynad could have won that game. I think it's an exaggeration to say it won him the game. There were quit a few choices and interactions that mattered after Barnes was played.

[@MrClarktom]

+holyflygon one game does not make him hate life. it is a culmination of the thousands of games of shitstone that he and others have played that have been decided on nothing but rng. I commiserate with him, being addicted to game so soul destroying as facestone/rngstone is genuinely harming peoples' souls. this was so good and people cant stop playing even years after it went to shit, myself included. every other day i log on, see my dailys sigh and think fml i hate this game

[@holyflygon]

Tom Clark I'm talking bout how he reacts to every card and rng watch all of his salty videos about rng and his rants I didn't make the point only for this one rant but for all of them since he started playing hearthstone

[@Seeric85]

"Imagine I was a normal player..." Then you wouldn`t get this salty about loosing to RNG because you wouldn`t be such a tryhard.

[@heckmontagne5224]

on the other hand, i'm having a pretty good time playing all sorts of yogg, resurrect, barnes and even alarm-o-bot priest around rank 10 and yeah it sucks to lose to bullshit rng, but i think it's hilarious to win with it, too. he says the hunter probably wasn't proud of that win, but i bet he fist pumped and called up his mom to check out the board state . reynad doesn't get very excited for anything

[@MsManuales]

Old man yells at cloud

[@klee329]

I just don't get how his channel is so popular. Watching someone complain constantly isn't enjoyable to me. If you don't like the random effects, Hearthstone is not the game for you.

[@nodusman6445]

So he prefers THIS Chat with dumb subs spamming their funny emotes and stupid memes over the real twitch Chat ? FeelsBadMan

[@Nix1668]

only random basic totems

[@remeisn]

Just stick to the rank 20s and give up when u hit 16 then you'll always win and don't have to complain.

[@MrClarktom]

noxious does that and even he is starting to seriously hate playing this game

[@nguyentienchung9913]

Noxious loves wacky Priest decks and we all know how those decks perform these day.

[@TheLuxma]

8:45 validates his whole point

[@knightofpartyknightofparty5294]

It kinda annoys me when people say Reginald is the saltiest person on earth, because this is about as salty as he ever gets and he's not that salty

[@hathbeenslain]

I don't think anyone can deny that unless you consider all RNG to be positive, Hearthstone is a bad game. It'd really popular because it's free, it's digital, it has cool animations, it's available on multiple platforms, etc. but it's a deeply flawed game relative to other competitive card games.

[@DandyAnnieTime]

"This was like a month and a half before BatStone" Yeah okay Reynad we get it, you're the best. You can stop now...

[@SgtBrutalisk]

I played Cardstone as a F2P for over a year daily. I stopped last month and feel great without so much RNG in my entertainment. The biggest issue is how slow you gather gold and dust as F2P, meaning you'll never have a full collection. Blizzard's pandering to aggro dirt cheap decks also makes me sick to my stomach.

[@AJNguyenYT]

I left after TGT, the game balance is a joke. More than six months for a balance patch? No thanks.

[@RysnDBS333]

I tend to disagree with reynad. Hearthstone needs the rng elements to keep the design space open and the games entertaining. Consider a competitive game with no random elements, like chess. The lack of random actions makes chess a purely skill based game. It is still complex and competitive, but you cannot add anything new to the game. If you were to apply the same logic to hearthstone, you'd see a similarly limited design space. As for the entertainment value, while chess is entertaining to some extent, I find it is generally boring to watch. Hearthstone, on the other hand, is one of the most watched strategy games. One reason this is the case is because of the highs and lows associated with those elements. Obviously the community is one of the main reasons for the high viewership, but the joy associated with winning something random is a more subtle way to keep everyone coming back. Maybe the best course of action would be to introduce less polarizing random elements, so they have less effect on the early game plays.

[@justinmadrid8712]

No. Card games already have enough RNG inherently. Adding cards with more RNG is just silly.

[@FameCaptain]

damn man, barnes isnt that bad. i feel way worse when my opponent plays ragnaros and hit snipes my top minion on the battlefield

[@scarlettea5960]

it can be much worse,if your opponent summons ragnaros out of barnes, and that 1\1 hit snipes your top minion on the battlefield

[@FameCaptain]

Scarlet Tea yeah true, didnt think of that - fuck barnes and ben choad

[@Slimpack4321]

that's true, but I would think a 1/1 rag is easier to deal with than an 8/8 rag. I would also think having your 4 drop sniped by rag isn't as game losing as having your 8 drop sniped by rag.

[@brosephstinson1297]

it is WAY worse because barnes is literally a 4 mana 4/5, kind of a Yeti with the benefit of having the chance of winning you the complete game. Pulling rag early for instance, 1/1 rag might be easier to kill, yes but you have to invest mana into killing that rag => that ragnaros already impacted the board => you loose mana AND board control to total RNG. But sometimes barnes is just meh but if he pulls something good its over

[@Konde1]

Barnes is not a 4/5, it's worse. It doesn't trade with a totem golem for example, and the 1/1 is vulnerable to many hero powers. 3/4 and 1/1 is easier to clear than 4/5.

[@aelkettani444675]

I agree with u noodle we need some fresh card design

[@mazuzki1]

barnes totemic tuskar fucking golem thing - Reynad 2016

[@arcadius3257]

I mean...it took awhile but he got his wish. Pretty sure Blizzard feels shame regularly these days 😂

[@ChoopReport]

You can't fire designers that continue to show an ability to create and then develop a game that generates the enormous revenue that Hearthstone does. It didn't start with this enormous player base either, it grew and continues to do so. I appreciate you don't like certain choices, but that doesn't mean it's inhibiting growth.

[@CalamityCanyon]

It's hard to say that "The community" didn't like 3/4 expansions because the people who are vocal about it are a minority (Reddit). MOST hearthstone players don't speak out, don't say what they think is wrong, and some don't see anything wrong at all. It's literally the same as League of Legends. It's hard to make decisions when a great percentage of your players don't give any feedback and the ones that do are subject to tendencies, circlejerks and might not be suggesting things that the overall playerbase would enjoy.

[@lovelife2728]

The really funny thing is the rag hitting his arcane golem probably lost him the game more than the Barnes did. Also the side he doesn't tell is that cards that rely on Barnes like rng make the deck inconsistent and give you a lower winrate when they don't work out, sometimes losing the game. He seems to have no problem with this, yet when it does pan out he throws a huge fit. Barnes really isn't that op: take the games where your opponent playing him wins you the game without salt, and take the games where your opponent playing him loses you the game without salt. Play enough, and they will even out.

[@spr1ngcactu5]

Basically in the end Reynad declares we have reached a state of Portalstone

[@TypingHazard]

I want to know where these numbers come from. I don't mean "oh just look at /r/hearthstone everyone's pissed, it's so obv" i mean like... show me on paper where players are leaving in droves and are markedly less happy than when Naxx came out. It's not that I necessarily disagree, I've been playing a lot less HS lately, but I mean, it's all just anecdote unless someone has real figures on who's leaving and why.

[@iftkics4067]

check Reddit and hearthpwn...he's probs overreacting but it's happening...myself included

[@MrAnimeFan4Eva]

It's depressing how relevant his rant is post United in stormwind

[@ConsoleCleric]

Whenever a creature with RNG enters the battlefield, Reynad takes 2 damage.

[@rexsa66]

thing is the hunter wasn't sad or not happy to win, hunter was like: Yeaaa get fked I got highmane I'm amazing at this gameeeee

[@joker28666]

by blizzard making more rng bullshit cards, they are effectively lowering the skill ceiling of the game, making it more like jackpot than a skill game, which appeals to new players since people would rather win more, think they are good at something, than lose alot and have to learn and adapt

[@404errornamenotfound6]

joker28666 this. Holy shit hit it right on the head. By creating more rng cards which blizzard interprets as a "fun" card, they are inadvertently lowering the skill cap more and more and making this game more luck and rng reliant

[@ARaider510]

I stopped playing Hearthstone during last month. I haven't even played with the new nerfs. All the ridiculous cards just took all the fun out of the game for me. I'd go in with a pretty solid deck that I've played enough times to limit mistakes but it means nothing when the other guy could just tuskarr a golem or card draw. it meant nothing when they can just Yogg and oh well the game decided they win this game. some RNG is fine but when it decides the game itself, then what's the point of even playing

[@flashybangy]

WE SHADOVERSE NOW

[@PKPAPN]

Yep, that's why I've stopped playing Hearthstone and just stick with Shadowverse for card game fix.

[@WickedDealer]

I'll agree with Reynad on one thing, it is lazy card design. It also seems like a lot of the time Blizzard tends to forget that there a digital card game and instead of going in and fixing the problem, they wait another 3-4 months and don't even nerf the real offenders a lot of the time.

[@stev019]

Let me say something that Reynad seems to forget in every single one of these videos: He's playing garbage decks to entertain the masses. He's trying something new to try and find some new, interesting, powerful stuff. But he's playing garbage a ton of the time. Of course this deck can't handle barnes getting highmane. Do you know what can? Almost every other tier 1 & 2 meta deck. I'm not even scared of Barnes into highmane most of the time. I can either ignore it and it's slightly strong, or I can deal with it without losing too many cards, while providing my own broken stuff that makes the other person spend their cards inefficiently. Getting a win on ladder is a tug-o-war, not a plate of food that is either fed to you or not. You weren't "robbed." You chose this fate.

[@ripstainmcripstain3753]

HS needs RNG to make the games different.

[@Iso_Varvas]

There's good rng and bad rng. Let's have good rng

[@tssmith1701]

ThePiru1 This is so easy to say and so hard to implement. Even Reynad only gives vague examples as to what constitutes "good RNG". Blizzard tries things and some work and some clearly don't. They just need to be more transparent and more willing to change cards.

[@reedsut]

a card should have random effects without vastly varying in powerlevel. Barnes pulling a yeti is a 4 mana 4/5. Barnes pulling a rag is a 4 mana 4/5 with "deal 8 damage to a random enemy". Thats the problem. if the card is slightly below curve to begin with with potential to skyrocket over it, its an unfun card. either it does nothing or it does everything. thats why so many people thought implosion should be reworded "deal 2-4 damage, summon 4 minus damage imps", so that instead of either dealing 4 damage and summoning 4 1/1's or dealing 2 damage and summoning 2 1'1s, a huge difference in powerlevel, it could maintain its randomness and the "soul of the card" while fixing its huge powerlevel difference.

[@alfredodembie8480]

is there a yogg type druid deck without yogg? Ramp is a little too heavy for me but I don't know what my win condition would be

[@glaive120]

i think they did the new portals right, only one that i dislike is firelands portal. On the other hand thats kind of mage's class mechanic to get some of the more obnoxiously strong spells.

[@thyred3167]

kind of: the warrior portal can give you a 1/1 taunt, a 2/4 or a 7/7, that's too much variance

[@Jukantos]

The real problem is that they've managed to swing hearthstone into a social position of unattackability just like WoW, because people you know and play with play Hearthstone, not Duelyst, Shadowverse or any of the other better card games out there which just dont have the player bases (and have some balance problems of their own but duelyst in particular has REALLY impressed me compared to hearthstone, like GOD would Hearthstone improve if you could replace 1 card per turn with a card from your deck in addition to drawing one, it would make control decks SO much more consistent and useable compared to brainless zoo spam) The problem is Hearthstone has BAD rng design and a ton of high cost mandatory cards. As in, if you're a new player, if you dont toss down cash to exactly replicate a net deck, you're not winning anything and you get literally zero progression in hearthstone unless you win your match. That's the real problem. It's so frustrating to lose a bunch in a row because you actually lose all of your time as well. if you just got 10 gold every 25 turns played in ALL even lost games in addition to your winning gold, it wouldn't be as frustrating to lose and just know you're not getting forward at all. i've grinded the game literally since the account reset within the closed beta, that's now what, 3 years ago? and my collection is a fucking shitshow, i JUST got HALF the basic set legendaries because i actually put money into the game for the first time and bought the "welcome bundle" which gave me king krush (ha ha usefull / 10) like, sure there are some decks i can copy paste play, but like you said, those are mostly boring. The one deck i built which im really proud of (dragon battlecry control shaman with rumbling elemental, blackwing corruptor and fire elemental to remove a TON of minions) is great but loses to barnes and deathrattle decks too often (while shitting on aggro decks, that's what i built it for) It's just gotten too hard to have a satisfying experience because you cant really outplay your opponents when a very thin line of decks exist that can only be beaten by the decks inside that line of decks and just trump everything else with too consistent high card values and winrates. That's the really frustrating part. Experimenting is punished HARD, trying to innovate is nearly impossible.

[@ketuekigami]

Shadowverse has a very impressive following in Japan, it's lack of player base is only in the West. It's constantly in the top 10 of Top Grossing for the App Store and almost 250k followers on their Japanese Twitter. But you basically said it all with "hearthstone into a social position of unattackability". When a game in the West reaches the top it takes a giant fuck up to take them down. Any superior games that comes out after are just ignored.

[@87teevo]

if reynad spends less time and energy whining i think he could be a billionaire in 20 years.

[@teoarrk]

I have to disagree that Barnes is overpowered. I will say however that the playerbase have used it in ways that the development team did not anticipate. I run it in a Herald Volaj deck that I used to try to counter the c'thun ladder meta, with mixed success, and apart from a few good pulls, the pull is hardly relevant. That does not mean that every use of it is fair, and I feel that programming a limit on when it can be put in a deck is the only way to really limit the cheese seen in ladder. But doing whats fair is not the modus operandi of the dev team, that clearly don't understand the playerbase that play this game more than once in a blue moon.

[@StylingVV]

Barnes should not be able to summon ANY minion from your deck.

[@777KingRich777]

Greetings from KFT! Looking back, his points on Barnes are still pretty relevant. I'm not saying that EZ BIG EZ PRIEST is broken (I don't think it is) but there are games that you really do lose to Barnes on 4, and it just feels bad. Even playing the deck, it's cool the first few times, but after 50 games, pulling Y'Shaarj with revives in hand just feels like you highrolled your opponent for a free win.

[@HopelessXzavier]

theres nothing strictly wrong with barnes. His effect needs to not be legendary status, but almost every card game has multiple cards that will bring another card out of their deck. If anything it couod cause yaasharj decks or blood of ancient decks/ other decks with few minions to actually succeed. IMO if they just made barnes not random and a tracking that lets you puck minions out of your deck with a higher mana cost, it would be an amazing designed card. However the fact that its a free copy of a card that you already have, means that it empowers other cards that cant be used without it.

[@AtroLine626]

reynads not wrong meteor, glyph, quest rogue has turned this game into a rngfest that requires almost no skill

[@Tyrael02]

Had to play Paris Swing in the background. Wasn't the same saltiness without the song.

[@mikkelvang9724]

The rare species of Reynad also called the animal of ton o' salt

[@4Methylendioxy]

you should make a video about the patch

[@Thomas-ix5pm]

4Methylendioxy he did

[@HaloLvl43Legit]

there's a spider on your avatar bro.

[@4Methylendioxy]

Thomaez where?

[@4Methylendioxy]

+Valentin Richter this was before the patch even came out. i want to hear how it turned out

[@4Methylendioxy]

***** because its fun and liberating to hear him rant and that's the only reason why i watch his videos.

[@solkvist8668]

Is he talking about league of explorers being good? Because that was my favorite expansion, with nothing truly broken in it

[@jostyfreak]

Yes, the discover mechanic is really appreciated by the community and cards like reno were meta-defining in a non-RNG way. (unless you count card drawing as a heavy RNG mechanic)

[@matthiasjanhaska]

well card games tend to draw cards...sooo...well you can technically call what you draw if you are really a master in it...but...yeah

[@captainred122]

I played hearthstone for a while and recently quit playing it seriously because of the exact reasons Reynad gives. You have these bullshit RNG cards that will randomly decide who wins or loses that frustrate me whenever I lose against it. Even when one of those cards wins for me, it still doesn't feel satisfying because I know i only won because of a RNG. Infact, I feel bad for the other player because I know I'd be frustrated losing like that too. This resulted in me quitting because more often than not I'd be frustrated rather than having fun or being satisfied because I won from being skilled.

[@stenli002]

Imagine if you played with actual cards and had to flip a coin every turn to see the outcomes of rng cards. This game has gone to shit.

[@JAN0L]

That's why I'm playing Shadowverse now, the only times I play HS is when there's an interesting brawl or a single player adventure comes out(and the last one was pretty weak).

[@nickmagrick7702]

Reynad, I think your confused. Your talking about blizzard as if their profits wasnt the number one priority in their game design.

[@soulance8342]

I usually think Rayna's makes much noise but says nothing... but the more I play SaltStone... his words grow meaning to my ears...

[@frickckYTwhatswrongwmyusername]

Only one mode (actually 0,5 to be exact) in Hearthstone is Saltstone. Stop playing high Standard Ranked, there are 7 other modes (9 if you count low and high ranks separately). Casual, Wild, Wild Casual, friendly matches, the single player mode ffs etc. Stop complaining and don't try to be comfortable outside your comfort zone.

[@edwardrecord5305]

The rant at the beginning is amazingly true 😂😂 I gave up hearthstone for 2 months, because of the bullshit past rank 13: if you haven't bought the expansions and packs, you can't win. Not to mention I have the worst pack luck ever which ends up pissing me off. If you grind for 100 dust and then get shit, it makes you hate the game. I tried playing arena, which is nice when you get about 7-6 wins, but then you get utterly shit luck and it's even more frustrating. And I quit because they decided to kill priest for F2P players. I started again, and I'm kinda enjoying it, but it annoys me because of these cards and because of their design decisions. Anyways, rant over 😂😂😂 agree totally :D

[@LastSider]

I think quitting Heartstone is pretty healthy. Maybe, boycotting Hearthstone is better and waiting to see of they do better. They tend to make random ass cards that min max on outcomes. And it shows they have not learned a damned thing.

[@bigjavo36]

so if reynad loses to anything he makes a 10 minute rant about why the card is unfair and no one can possibly enjoy it because how dare something have a good effect that he can't easily counter act and run over. i bet that hunter would be real pissed if he could do jack shit against that bullshit board of weenies reynad built because any card that would help him is banned or nerfed because it hurts reynads feelings to lose a card game. how dare he have an answer to your token bullshit how dare there be an answer to your decks and cards. how dare anyone beat you.

[@dave6056]

Holy hell... that Hunter deck was literally 80% RNG cards. Barnes, Rag, Fiery Bat, Huge Toad, Deadly Shot, Animal Companion, King's Elekk

[@MWHgaming]

what sucks is that blizzard won't even care if the game dies

[@IYPITWL]

What is the chance of playing Barnes on curve? (or any specific card)?

[@maikerukage816]

Reynad to your point - I thought the in crowd had massive potential. You guys just needed a better animator (the animation style you chose wasn't good for what you were aiming for) and to hire any random writer. Hell, there are several who would have probably pitched in for next to nothing because of who you were (*cough* *cough*) point is I think you should revisit the idea eventually.

[@Lightprayer]

Thank god I stopped playing HS. I feel bad for Reynad to be trapped playing this game. Making it good wouldn't even be that hard too.

[@xiaoxiao01]

yh im starting to play hearthstone less and less.... im so fucking glad i havent spent money on the new expansion, otherwise i would probably kms since my ragequits come sooner and sooner with every day... tried darwin shaman recently... first 4 times i used evolve with totems on the board i got fucking doomsayer... and then i get bmed by my face hunter opponent, fantastic community... and i still cant "autosquelch" people because it would make the options menu to complicated (?!)...

[@DrSpasticat]

Blizzard wants there to be RNG so that new players can get lucky and win games to keep them playing, why do you think they destroy almost all combo decks

[@tomatoesofdoom]

"If a regular player loses to Barnes like that, he's gonna drop the game and not come back because it's bad" I dropped the game when Dr.Boom was literally every turn 6-7 of every single game. Came back when GvG was rotated out.

[@frickckYTwhatswrongwmyusername]

You remember Ben Brode's video about bad cards? He explained how some bad cards are noob traps that help them learn. The difference between them and you is that noobs learn from those traps. And Ranked mode is a big noob trap. When you hate the competitiveness and lack of balance in Hearthstone, and you're playing on rank 9, why don't you find the obvious solution, aka one of the ideas below: -Lower rank -Casual -Wild -Wild Casual -Friendly matches -And the best one: SINGLE PLAYER! You hate the multiplayer aspect of the game, avoid it.

[@frickckYTwhatswrongwmyusername]

And Barnes doesn't even win the opponent the game here, look at turns 6-7. And even if it did, he's saying "WAAAH I didn't have an answer to my opponent's threat, unfair WAAAH". Ffs he's playing Stand Against Darkness and still was winning the game few turns after that Barnes that was supposed to be so unfair and game winning.

[@Makyura43]

He played a 4 mana card that is a 3/4 and a 1/1 with deathrattle summon two 2/2 minions. In total 8/9 stats for 4 mana. That is called lack of balance. It didn't win game outright but it contributed a lot. Whats the point of playing strategy game when opponent can play a 4 mana card and if he gets lucky with the summon from that point on he will win probably 80% of the time. Stats behind tuskar totemic nerf showed that when Shaman played it on turn 3 and it got them totem golem they will win that game 70% of the time. In a game when its rare for any deck to have more than 50% win rate geting lucky with one 3 mana card will boost your win rate to 70%. Such skill much wow. In other games you need smart decision making to win and that should be even more true for game that is all about smart plays. However with cards like these decision making takes a second place behind luck.

[@frickckYTwhatswrongwmyusername]

It's also RNG dependent and split among multiple bodies, only half of which are immediately on the board. It hardly contributed to the outcome of the game at all. Look at the board on turn 7. You can't seriously be calling Hearthstone a strategy game. And you didn't answer the point of my first post.

[@Makyura43]

Blue Banana We at least agree on something , HS cant be called a strategy game since it requires almost no strategical thinking and its just RNG fiesta. That is the problem Raynad has with this game and thats the point I was trying to make. Playing higher rank , or wild or casual does not change that in any way.

[@WanaBgamer]

Nah Reynad. When Naxx came out I lost to undetaker hunter and quit and didn't open hearthstone again until blackrock mountain.

[@ab-vj7vc]

I like the point reynad has with new players quitting the game because of unfair conditions. I was trying to get a friend of mine into hearthstone and people kept having 3+ legendarys like rag and sylvanas barnes etc. i really understand why he is not playing anymore, since after seeing his losing to these players tilted me and I myself closed the game for a week. Blizzard should really think of how to design cards, because the way it is right now is that new players just quit and the "old" players will quit eventually. I completely agree with reynad yet i understand why he is feeling "bad" blaming blizzard for their cards.

[@Darthgipsyjoe]

How would I fix Barnes? By giving it the Ancestral Call treatment, so he summons a random 1/1 for both players. This way it would work statistically better in greedy decks, and it could have hillarious fails vs those decks even when played by the opponent.

[@Tehstool]

I agree. I quit hearthstone because of shit like that.

[@mjw665]

Hearthstone suffers from a systemic simplicity. The game is only board control. No matter how many cards they print the game will not escape the singular deciding factor of games. He/She who plays better creatures sooner and/or more often wins.

[@UltimaterializerX]

Right because Shredder and Dr. Boom were so much better for the game than Barnes. Give me a break.

[@iiCamaxtli]

Should start calling these SUPER SALTY Sunday.

[@jesperkarlsson597]

The last point that you made was bs. You said you tried to improve your work, couldn't and then dropped it, that's not really something blizzard could do. Like, would you like them to stop making the game if the community doesn't like what they are doing?

[@Aztec8273]

I main N'Zoth Hunter. You would not believe how offer Barnes pulls out N'Zoth or Houndmaster.

[@viewtifuljoe2123]

You can't really change Barnes without fundamentally changing the way the card works. Sure they could increase the mana, but then nobody would ever play it. Imho Barnes is fine...Reynad just needs to play something different. When you are this salty about someone playing a 4 drop...it's time to move on.

[@_Daim_]

I completely agree with you Reynad, I've pretty much quit HS and I don't think I'll be back until at least next standard cycle. I haven't played in over 2 months and I've been so much happier playing other games with much less rng and much more skill. Naxx was the best time to be into HS, barring Undertaker. I'm glad at least you have been so vocal for change and hopefully Blizzard will take some hints and get their shit together and finally fix this game. I would love to see the game be rid of all aggressive cards, which is nearly impossible, and for it to be control and midrange/zoo like it was back in vanilla.

[@MarkerInTheSand]

Reynad's psychological response to something that irritates him about the game is exaggerated, and he chooses to blame the game instead of himself.

[@morya9]

why would he blame himself? not to mention that he's absolutely right, you might see this as being exaggerated but in fact he didnn"t even say half of what people that have been playing this game for a long time, actually think about the game.

[@MarkerInTheSand]

The normal, healthy psychological response to "my opponent played Barnes and ended up winning the game" is *not* "that guy did not deserve to win, I'm so pissed that I'm gonna walk away from this game for a week". I'm not saying that the game is perfect; far from it. But Reynad gets *too* salty, *too* irritated about things. It's more about *him*, about his personality, than about the game. Yet he makes videos like this and a legion of his fans end up taking his views as the truth.

[@morya9]

Well, it's called " Salty Sunday " for a reason, right? And yeah, you're right, he gets too irritated, considering the amout of time he spends on playing HS, plays like these shouldn't affect him that much, but oh well, what can u do?

[@xraysteamlord]

i dont think its lack of shame. i think its their egos, they arent willing to admit that they made mistakes so they will just continue releasing shit like that until the game is dead and its too late.

[@expertb6348]

Blizzard doesn't feel shame that their content is bad. This is the problem right here. They are not passionate about their game. They don't care. All the care about is making $20+ million every month, and that is it. This is why I stopped spending money on it after GVG. Because they don't have any respect for their game or fans. but In a few weeks Ben Brode will make a video, and sugar coat everything, and people will love Hearthstone again.

[@kneckebro]

blizzard just taps themselves on the back for how good of a job they have done again