A Meditation and Teaching on Suffering - Atmananda Krishna Menon - Advaita

Selected excerpts from the text "Atmananda Tattwa Samhita: The Direct Approach To Truth As Expounded By Sri Atmananda" on the nature and experience of suffering.
A shorter version (by the person who formatted these quotes) without music can be found here: • How can I end my suffe...
Śrĩ Atmananda (8 December 1883 - 14 May 1959), also referred as Sri Atmananda Krishna Menon, was an Indian sage, guru, and philosopher. He has been described by scholars as a "neo-Hindu". His teachings have become a foundation for a spiritual method called the Direct Path.
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[@HenryTucker7]

I have been studying with Rupert Spira, non-duality teachings and discovering you this morning is a beautiful addition to my studies. Thank you for your beautiful voice and sharing these recordings. I am blessed to have been given them this morning (I didn't find them; they found me). I feel such joy in my heart right now.

[@kathymichaels2108]

You found each other I think. The more I learn, the more it appears that the 'I' and the world appear at the same time..or are one and the same..

[@movinstills]

Same, I found Rupert after doing an etymology research on transcendence and the rest is I am on Direct Path History

[@tomherman2144]

Yes, yes, yes. This is the lesson I have learned from so many teachers and through my own experience when I go deeply into my suffering--it ends. It is always resistance that hurts us, not the OBJECT of our suffering. This is so beautifully presented, so simply put; in so few words, so that it is graspable.

[@paztururututu4864]

:) Thank you, Tom. 🙏🏽 ❤🌍❤

[@riccardo357]

Thanks

[@thomasbrouwer2771]

That is gold. Thank you for all the effort of bringing this into the world.

[@ramabangalore]

Just brilliant!! Fire does not burn fire. Suffering arises in me, so it has the same base material that I am made of. Suffering is me. What harm can it do to itself? How profound! The fire analogy gets the message delivered with utter clarity. Thanks Samaneri for this awesome rendering of the great master's wise words 🙏

[@MoMagha]

Wonderful way to look at suffering. Suffering is a state where something that existed before no longer exists now or similarly something that did not exist before has come into existence now. In both instances it is attachment to one’s former state is what creates this false dichotomy of subject and object which is the nature of the gross mind. But as pointed out in this beautiful teaching, the one who is suffering is not separate from suffering itself. Neither suffering nor the one who suffers can’t independently exist of the other and are one phenomena as it occurs in the mind only. But the gross mind is not a permanent entity either as it can’t be found apart from one’s conceptual thoughts that are like clouds of vapour, arising and subsiding without any staying power! Thank you for posting this, I bow down to you in silence🙏🙏🙏

[@allpointstoone4346]

Very good

[@tonygiannetto8490]

Thanks again, the more ways, the more different words, the more it helps

[@hedevindaniel3747]

Fire does not burn fire. This comforts me in the idea that everything has a reason for being and life cannot escape itself, and therefore seeking to make the suffering disappear, which is the emanation of life itself seems to me a farce. Thank you for this video which goes to the heart of the problem of the illusion of suffering

[@IAmWord]

Thank you Jayasara. It feels like you gift me the exact pointing that I seem to need. In no other time has a person had access to such diverse and profound teachings in this way. I know I'm a broken record but THIS is Grace and I am grateful. Thank you

[@vijayaranha9018]

To know that I do not know and I will never know is true suffering, in that knowledge is the true being and realization.

[@metamezaushi-discoveringou3154]

Beautiful reading. Much love and gratitude. 🙏

[@ai172]

Direct and deep as Ramana Maharishi 's teachings. Thank you so much Samaneri. Very grateful🌸🙏

[@johnburman966]

The way these talks are structured is pure genius, slowly taking awareness deeper to its transcendental nature - thank you.

[@martynbent436]

The light in our troubled times ❤️

[@arvi2010]

Finally all the questions I had when I started to be conscious of my individual life are being answered. Thank you so much for this liberating knowledge.

[@malaselvarajah242]

Beautiful! Just about to hit school run listening on the way ! 🙏🙏🙏🕉

[@pradeepmenon2240]

Blessed u are

[@arungupta734]

Actuallity. So beautiful. Loved it. Thank you so much. Regards. 💥🏵️🌺❤️🙏

[@lukystaify]

Amazing, :) these words, brings us to the edge of discovery to be as we are. thank you

[@michaelsager5688]

Very insightful and so beneficialtk hear!

[@Azazel-ben-YHVH-26]

You do not suffer! Ego suffers in you and you identify to it... You never suffer anything and you will never be able to suffer anything forever. Even hell is just a suffering perception to the ego... But not for yourself.

[@Kevinszzz]

Loving your content from Atmananda Krishna Menon!

[@dreasil113]

Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@sweeetly]

This becomes so clear in this time. Thank you!

[@snakefich]

Thank you, Namaste

[@kevvroussel2838]

Gratitude 🙏😊

[@praveshdhawan3842]

Awesome as always. Thanks alot 🙏🙏

[@richstureman4229]

🙏💙🌈deepest thanks

[@Katrinagreen5252]

Thank you 🙏

[@moksha2280]

Thank you, loads of gratitude. At present those teachings can be found in direct path so Rupret Spira, Greg Goodge, Francis Lucile. Love.

[@tencups2778]

Wow!! ❤️

[@devinramos6317]

Wow!!!❤️♥️♥️♥️🙏♥️♥️❤️❤️

[@joysblues]

Somehow, I think a really good test for this teaching is, try it in the dentist’s chair. Swami Kriyananda did. I’m certainly not there, yet. Thank you for this perpetual archive of your elegant renderings of all these teachings.

[@DilbagSingh-ox8li]

Love you joysblues love you, me too not there but yes it's certainly a good idea to be there and do it, as there's no escape but i tried and tried only to be grabed And grineed at over and over again, pain, dear scary pain ,seems to be my only lover who stubbornly keep coming back .

[@michaelmcclure3383]

I once had a dentist friend convince me to have dental work without anesthetic 20 odd years ago. They were also a devotee of non duality. It wasn't as bad as you think. It's hard to try it if you dont know the dentist. Might not be considered ethical Haha Actually had quite strong toothache for the last year, but couldn't of course do anything about it with this covid stuff So it's been interesting in a way. Sometimes its very much in the foreground. Sometimes lingering in the background while I'm mostly just happy and at peace I'm pretty sure the acceptance of it takes away the drama and resistance. I doubt anyone even knows Its happening.

[@michaelmcclure3383]

But I'm not sure he's referring just to physical pain, but existential anguish and emotional pain. Many of the best sages screamed out in physical pain or attested to high levels of it. Not sure realization is going to make anyone immune to pain. But it might eliminate the psychological element of it, the me and the suffering.

[@andreamuller8468]

Not suffering, is not working on me :P Maybe i do something wrong with the nonduality :)))

[@michaelmcclure3383]

@@andreamuller8468 haha probably nothing wrong, in my case at least it seemed to bring up more suffering as the core knots or complexs started coming to the fore. Especially the core one, that of (fear of annihilation or non existence), that was excruciating and terrifying. Yet illusory. Once that unraveled, then it became smooth, because there is no sense ot being different from the surpreme. Eventually it dawns, because ananda is natural to us. So lets not make it a big deal.. because we have never not been this. Once we stop insisting we are this limited self that'll be clear Haha

[@christopherjordan9707]

But the screaming cat that slowly burns in the fire does suffer. Beings do suffer. Because a human can find a way for THEMSELVES to not suffer, does not mean there is no suffering. I have listened to this 3 times....is he not teaching detachment from one's own suffering? I suffer at the suffering of the burning cat, and from that suffering I cannot escape. Nor do I think we should escape from the suffering of others.

[@jensmaass9056]

if you manage to understand and put into practice this teaching efficiently for yourself please comment how exactly you do; in return I give you the solution for the cat (you shouldn´t burn cats) the problem which caused my most pain during half I of my life. deal? ;)

[@sherrimcinnis1783]

@@jensmaass9056 My vet once talked to me about how animals do not have an attachment to pain. If my dog has a hurt leg, the pain is experienced without emotional attachment. As humans we tend to do the opposite.

[@arunatamang3783]

It was indeed a forgotten wisdom.

[@pandawandas]

This guy is based

[@kathymichaels2108]

'Suffering cannot suffer when we go into it.' 'When you find yourself there as suffering, then where is suffering? 'It's only when we separate suffering from ourselves that we suffer.' On some wavelength, I know i understand this, but i can't grasp it. Does he mean that the concept of suffering doesn't exist, so it's an illusion that we have become it.? 'When you find yourself there as suffering, then where is suffering?' This last one really resonates, however yet again, I can't explain it.. Can you help, Samaneri?

[@anuradhasuraj8495]

🙏🏻

[@onlymelodic109]

Interestingly enough, Jiddhu Krishnamurti in his teachings would say the exact opposite; yet almost come to the same "conclusion" or approach. Since he proposed there is no higher self, no one to act upon this suffering, οr think he is different from this suffering, there is at that moment only the suffering present. Upon this realization the mind would become silent and stop all efforts to overcome or escape from it. This in turn would stop all the wastage of energy, gather it, and from this aforementioned silence and the surplus of energy, suffering could ungergo a transformation into clarity, among other things.. In essence the suffering would be left free to unfold, tell its story and go back to where it came from, like a thought that didn't manage to lure a response, but certainly had a story to tell. to be cont..

[@onlymelodic109]

All the above do not mean that one ignores as foreign all that is going on but attends to everything that comes to the surface, unattached. This begs the question, who is the one who attends, and is there anything else than thought; or is it just awareness, attention? In any case the moment the mind decides to act upon "what is" an entity is created as the self, who is to pass judgement and put order. From that split, logically there is resistance, battle, and conflict begins.. As in every battle there are casualties, and all the suppresion and control cost energy which would be essential if one is to attend closely to the lightning fast inner phenomena; and the lost opportunity for that energy to be implemented otherwise; to facilitate an insight, understanding and transformation, all at the same time without "doing" anything else. The End.

[@SamaneriJayasara]

This is wonderfully elucidated. Thanks for sharing.

[@onlymelodic109]

@@SamaneriJayasara You provided the inspiration and the space, so.. all thanks to you!

[@jesseward5861]

Who does the suffering belong to?

[@flaviasouza8724]

Dear madame/sir Where o where can I find his books which he translated into English. I need them and can’t find anywhere- to buy or download. Please help. Much obliged.

[@jensmaass9056]

I don´t get it. a. suffering is my own being thus i cannot suffer; logically valid, as is "since I am misery itself I cannot be miserable"; b. I witness the suffering thus I cannot suffer, exactly opposed reasoning to (a.). Both arguments can be turned either way, be it to prove or deny suffering. Yet - - I suffer. Someone here to reason me out of the pains of existence a bit more convincingly, or am I this hopeless case which will forever fall from the thrike??

[@SamaneriJayasara]

You have to challenge and deeply investigate this very notion of suffering to understand what is being pointed to here - which it sounds like you are doing anyway. 🙂 When you see within the depths of your heart - in the silence and stillness of your own being - you will realize that fundamentally "suffering" is merely a label or concept. In Reality there is no such thing as 'suffering' and no 'one' who suffers. Both are delusory notions. But don't believe these mere words - find out directly for yourself. 💜

[@harrypotter7917]

Thank you! Do you think you can do some shams Tabrizi? 😊

[@SamaneriJayasara]

I recently did some Shams Bobby. You must have missed it. Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHrEYYhqebKHfNU&ab_channel=SamaneriJayasara

[@harrypotter7917]

@@SamaneriJayasara thanks you!

[@krishnakumarkumar1918]

Krishna menon house were you ..kollam????? Please..🙏🙏

[@JKBABA1947]

In malakkara near to chengannur.

[@ghulamsarwar4512]

what is the sound track title in the background please?

[@nesdrok]

I would also like to know the response to your question, thank you,

[@garymac5321]

Thank you.