Enter at www.omaze.com/SamCarLegion for your chance to win a custom DeBerti Ford Bronco® and support a great cause, The Warrior Built Foundation. 2022 Lexus IS500 vs Lexus LC500, same engine, same result? Drag and Roll Race.
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@youngbrevy2 жыл бұрын
I’d probably go with the LC500, it’s not ALWAYS about who’s faster guys. Winning or losing a race doesn’t necessarily mean anything. The real winners are Toyota/Lexus, they make beautiful cars.
@donaldbanner21852 жыл бұрын
AMEN....finally an intelligent gray matter response!
@HTX-pk6mu2 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. Car manufacturers these days worry too damn much about 0-60 times and track performance, and so on. Not everyone buys a car and take it to the track. Just throw me in a RWD car with a big N.A V8 like these lexuses and I'll be a happy camper
@kylerichard57032 жыл бұрын
beautiful or reliable. pick one, rarely go hand in hand.
@zachhammond70132 жыл бұрын
100 percent disagree but if that’s your opinion that’s your opinion
@storm-shadow12372 жыл бұрын
Mercedes
@brandongiron43822 жыл бұрын
Coming from an previous RCF owner, the LC500 doesn’t feel as fast but I’m much happier in it. It’s beautiful
@Odin8512 жыл бұрын
You should put the IS500 as a permanent car in these races. Gives us fans a perspective of how fast or slow any other car is that you have on this channel, win or lose.
@RoryEditsOfficial2 жыл бұрын
Or just use the RCF or GSF that are actual F cars lol
@Odin8512 жыл бұрын
@@RoryEditsOfficial does Sam have a RCF or GSF? Cause if not, then your comment was pointless
@RoryEditsOfficial2 жыл бұрын
@@Odin851 someones salty
@Odin8512 жыл бұрын
@@RoryEditsOfficial it was a genuine question wym
@yousefal-assaf29852 жыл бұрын
@@RoryEditsOfficial You're the salty one because the IS500 is probably faster than any full F model that is out there currently...
@little1234567882 жыл бұрын
The IS 500 is the more practical car with 4 doors and a bigger trunk, but the LC is something special. I would daily drive the IS and set the LC aside for weekend cruises.
@dabby6596 Жыл бұрын
Thatd be nice, one day lol, but unfortunately i dont have money like tony montana 😂💀
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
That was expected. The 400 lbs more weight on the LC with same power makes the biggest difference. From 50 km/h roll, the gear ratio best for the 8 speed is the 1st gear since 1st gear goes to 85 km/h. Not auto mode (which will select 2nd).
@moonman_89352 жыл бұрын
I've got a IS500 Launch Edition. Recently swapped the OEM Potenza's with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4s (summer) tires. Wow the car likes to hook.
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
It needs tires desperately
@TriniZx32 жыл бұрын
Yes swapping to Michelin PS4S is a must on any car
@54tristin2 жыл бұрын
I lost a is 350 due to the base tire
@dnegel95462 жыл бұрын
What you do with the old tires?
@TheKingc202 жыл бұрын
Nice I need to switch my tires on mine. I got my is500 up to 140mph last week and it wanted more
@Soh902 жыл бұрын
Wow! Both of those cars sounds pissed off. What an engine! The LC benefits from its 10 speed transmission greatly. The IS benefits from being 300lbs lighter. I’d take both in a heartbeat
@TeeWadeG2 жыл бұрын
Weight is midigated from a roll tho. Think about it. Hellcats take Ls from a stoplight But from a roll they blow the doors off.
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
Weight difference is around 400 lbs.
@blake0312992 жыл бұрын
@@TeeWadeG that's just not how physics works. Weight is inertia, inhibits acceleration whether you're starting from nothing or starting from 50. The hellcat can't launch because it has way too much power and way too little tire (and poor launch control capabilities); all those problems are mostly mitigated from a roll.
@TeeWadeG2 жыл бұрын
@@blake031299 with has to be mitigated some.
@mrt2734 Жыл бұрын
100%
@sharktin2402 жыл бұрын
Beautiful race. Loved the smile on your face on the roll. I was smiling equally wide
@is4life8622 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting these 2 cars together. Nicely done you guys!! 👏
@aarond81102 жыл бұрын
SAM! Awesome video yet again...bringing out the IS 500 (beautiful car) I loved this one the LC is a elegant yet beautiful beast also but seeing these matched up was still very exciting to watch. Thank you and everyone once again soo much for this one.
@m.b82572 жыл бұрын
Both cars are absolutely beautiful, and don’t forget reliable.
@aus10li2 жыл бұрын
I have a GSF with a few mods and would love to have a few friendly runs with my siblings here lol. The Lexus v8 never gets old
@rubenportillo6642 жыл бұрын
ISF wins all day let's run jt
@aus10li2 жыл бұрын
@@rubenportillo664 No it doesn't lol
@arthurl.9985 Жыл бұрын
I miss the Gsf.
@Mario_RX72 жыл бұрын
Those Lexus 5.0 V8s sound glorious!
@thegoodman38102 жыл бұрын
I want to see more races with the is500
@timlam24532 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I drive a ‘14 is350 Fsport and was awaiting them to put that beastly v8 back in the IS. Something I do want you to know, as there has been some misinformed information floating around, you can do burnouts in this car! Also if you want FULL control of the transmission you need to completely turn off traction control and put it into manual shifting mode. This entails putting the car in park, holding the traction control button for 5 seconds, then your good to slap that sucker into manual mode and it will rev match when you downshift. It’ll be especially satisfying with that v8!
@bigchocolate85472 жыл бұрын
YES YES!!! That's what I'm talking about and thank you for finally drag racing that piece of beautiful machinery. Congratulations I think you're the first one on KZbin to drag race the Lexus IS500. 👏🏿👍🏿 I can't wait to receive mine. My man you put a smile on face thank you.
@TheDodgeboy872 жыл бұрын
Definitely nice cars. Will last quite a while. Love the information box that you put up for the cars!
@tubedude922 жыл бұрын
great vid.. well needed too. just one question, how were you able to launch that IS500 so well? that was pretty impressive
@PP-ic5cs2 жыл бұрын
@samcarlegion absolutely one of your BEST drag races and reviews EVER! Congratulations to you on your Japanese Beast!
@crossphaded2 жыл бұрын
Love the rumble of those V8's! If sound was everything, the IS500 would rule the super midsize sedan segment. Unfortunately, the M3 would destroy it in all performance tests. Same with the ATS-V. I give Lexus props for sticking to its guns and staying naturally aspirated.
@jackd2322 жыл бұрын
It's compact size sedan.
@ftr911drvr2 жыл бұрын
An M340i would also beat the IS500
@crossphaded2 жыл бұрын
@@jackd232 is it? The size of the cars in this segment has grown. To me, they look like midsized sedans. Compare a Gen 1 or 2 IS to current Gen. Or an E46 sedan to a G20 BMW 3 series. They dwarf the older models.
@jpizel10702 жыл бұрын
I really don't care. I would still take the Lexus over any BMW or GM product. I don't track my cars.
@krasnaludek2982 жыл бұрын
ATS-V is last gen. The CT4V-Blackwing will chew both of these Japanese cars up & spit them out on most courses.
@josephiousbrosif2 жыл бұрын
Awesome races! The audio level changes are killing me though
@Kimchiguy792 жыл бұрын
First drag race vid of the IS500!! Can't wait to see more!!
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
More coming
@fusioneer842 жыл бұрын
Great race! IS500 vs. IS-F would be interesting though
@NissanAltimaGuy2 жыл бұрын
It’s a good feeling having a 4 door sedan that hauls ass. I can only imagine driving that beast of yours!
@wchrvp2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual, but please could you add the 1/4 times so those in overseas countries can compare them with our local models?
@cemkazaz9082 жыл бұрын
sweet video, I like the editing
@Caydendayoutuber2 жыл бұрын
IS 500 Vs M340 anyone????
@CaimenSyder2 жыл бұрын
Hey great video, idk if it was the tv I was watching it on but the sound levels were all over the place; other than that great job.
@Toyota4Life2 жыл бұрын
Finally some Lexus content 🔥 Beautiful vehicles and those 2ur engines are magnificent
@FINALV82 жыл бұрын
2UR, you mean?
@FB6K24Z72 жыл бұрын
@@FINALV8 2UR-GSE QUAD CAM TOYOTA/LEXUS V8 engine in these two vehicles
@ted64622 жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@SouthernCrossMotors2 жыл бұрын
Great to watch. Shame you did not have a dragy or similar so we could get an idea of performance. Curious to see the IS500 on a sticky prepped track.
@yanisbouzidi53072 жыл бұрын
i think the difference here is in the weight distribution,aerodinamics and the transmission of the cars. The Is500 maybe lighter but it is surely less weight balanced than the lc500 for having the best traction plus the aerodinamics of the lc500 make it just look like a spaceship compared to the Is500. to finish the transmission in the lc500 is newer than the 8speed in the is and surely has less friction and is faster to shift. what sums the drag race for me is that the IS500 is more of brutal beast and the lc more of sophisticated one imo
@Trueamerican122 жыл бұрын
It’s mostly gearing to be honest.
@RoryEditsOfficial2 жыл бұрын
@@Trueamerican12 neither... lc500 has 2 extra gears and 400 extra lbs...
@kalmmonke50372 жыл бұрын
lc sounds better for sure
@RoryEditsOfficial2 жыл бұрын
@@kalmmonke5037 LC the only one acoustically tuned by yamaha would be why lol
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
Actually the 8AT transmission speed according to Lexus in brochures at full throttle is 100 ms vs 120 ms for the 10AT. It is a modified version of the 10 speed out of the LS500.
@MrM4rvelous2 жыл бұрын
I see you rocking the oak and row swag Sam 👀 nice video, liking the changes to the quality/transitions. Kinda curious how my car would do against yours...could be very close
@jimwallace41642 жыл бұрын
Sam was gracious enough to wear the hat I presented to him that day at the track. Always thankful for the opportunity and his generosity to wear it during the filming. Plus he looks great with it on!
@MrM4rvelous2 жыл бұрын
@@jimwallace4164 sure does
@automotivetv98612 жыл бұрын
That lc500 is hot af
@RedHuntsman2 жыл бұрын
The 10sp on the LC500 is just far superior. I've got the IS 500, but I wouldn't mind an LC500 for a little more room (width wise).
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
At full-throttle according to Lexus (in the RCF brochure), the 8AT shifts at 100 ms vs 120 ms for the 10AT. However, possibly the software tuning on the IS500 is different for the same 8AT.
@scoop20592 жыл бұрын
What kind of problems your is500 was having? My friend was having issues with his at around 3000 miles.
@gunzorkgaming78472 жыл бұрын
Your IS500 sound very good man! Good races.
@aurorajones84812 жыл бұрын
4:37 Curious the added weight of the LC plants it down so the tires maintain grip while the lighter IS breaks loose. Personally I like the heft of the LC. It feels substantial and the rear wheel steer gives it nimbleness. It only becomes apparent under hard breaking and turn in but 99% of the ppl don't come close to that. Hell I drive this thing like a maniac racing anything and I've felt it just a few times under those harsh conditions. Im sure you'd really feel it at the track.
@aurorajones84812 жыл бұрын
LOL i was gonna say i thought the IS would be faster, your following launches confirm it. Well done.
@aurorajones84812 жыл бұрын
I still like my LC best. I mean I picked it over the M5, M5 Comp, E63, and 911. Dont care its not as fast I have motorcycles for that. Its fast enough and feels the most amazing behind the wheel.
@Kate-ix2xp2 жыл бұрын
i like seeing this IS 500 in action & would a ❤️🔥 to see a race with a IS F
@wbwayne88872 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling we'd eventually see you out there in that IS500. Good showing by that Lexus. 🤔😂
@philhenderson35162 жыл бұрын
OMG! You finally got an IS500. So happy! Can't wait to see a drag and roll against the G70, Stinger, Q50, and TLX Type S.
@JremV2 жыл бұрын
I’m more interested to see this Vs the C43 and M340i which I’m sure the bmw would walk the IS500
@philhenderson35162 жыл бұрын
@@JremV Yes, we all know the M340i would take all of them, same for the C43, but a head to head against the rest of the Asian offerings is something I've wanted to watch for a long long time.
@JremV2 жыл бұрын
@@philhenderson3516 definitely interesting to see 😃
@jpizel10702 жыл бұрын
@@JremV Of course genius. Natural aspirated vs forced induced.
@yousefal-assaf29852 жыл бұрын
@@JremV It will be close in roll races
@colby33332 жыл бұрын
Next race add ISF, RCF, GSF and RCF track edition. 🎌🦾😈
@TeeWadeG2 жыл бұрын
Why the IS500 vs. the GS-F? Is it just the updated tech?
@__DaplugTJ2 жыл бұрын
Exaust sounds proper 🔥
@05fastcars2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting I do plan on buying another car at the end of the year or sometime next year I've been torn between the IS 500, Audi RS3 and the 2023 BMW M2 but after watching this it will be the Lexus Thanks Again!!!
@thomasdeshler2187 Жыл бұрын
Ok. How exactly is the 4 door 5 seater significantly lighter by the 2+2 from the same company?
@wilsonguerrero17102 жыл бұрын
We need more drags with the Is500!
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
Coming up
@Toyota4Life2 жыл бұрын
big props for being a IS500 onwer also
@C-M-E2 жыл бұрын
The LC is a beautiful car no doubt, though for practicality and passengers (and keeping the V8 alive for a few more generations), the IS500 is a car I REALLY want to add to my garage! Definitely the engine they should have put in the Tundra, and I'd even like to see a hybrid of that and electrifying the front end just because.
@sahelnazat47132 жыл бұрын
Nice video ❤️ can you please do a drag racing video between LEXUS IS 500 & BMW M340i
@tipidastan52092 жыл бұрын
It would be great if he does it
@garys21572 жыл бұрын
@@tipidastan5209 I think the BMW would take it, would like to see a Mustang GT, it's a bit lighter, but the engines make almost the same power.
@evoixmr8426 Жыл бұрын
would using paddle shift make any difference?
@MikeForsythe2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid. I’ve driven and tracked and modded these cars more than anyone. The huge difference is the LC has a bespoke Aisn 10 speed that transforms that same V-8. The IS 500 has the same 8 speed from the RC F which is solid but it as good. This enables the heavier LC, even with some carbon fiber construction, to be quick or quicker in most cases and on the track. So happy the IS 500 is here, such a great car!
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
The AWR10L65 first appeared in the LS500. The LC500 10 speed is a slightly modified version of the LS500 10 speed. The hardware for the IS500 8 speed is the same as the RCF (minus the transmission coolers), but having driven the IS500, software tuning definitely feels different in SPORT+/MANUAL modes. In RCF, it feels much more violent with whiplash effect while the IS500 8 AT is focused on being smooth and comfortable rather than being as frantically quick as possible.
@MikeForsythe2 жыл бұрын
@@2ZZGE100 yeah i was told differently but tend to agree with you. The unit in the LC and LS couldn’t be any different in execution. Trying to figure out changing some RC F gear ratios to IS 500.
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
@@MikeForsythe The gear ratios are the same in RCF and IS500 from what I can see in the documents. It is something they did on the software tune level. The IS500 shifts are softer/smoother in SPORT+/MANUAL than they are in the RCF. My guess is, it is probably because they wanted to make it more comfortable to shift at full throttle on the streets (like the rest of the IS500).
@MikeForsythe2 жыл бұрын
@@2ZZGE100 maybe we should exchange info. I show different. I agree on the shifting logic the 500 is much smoother. I think it fits better in the 500.
@2ZZGE1002 жыл бұрын
@@MikeForsythe I will try to send you my email
@user-pq1fz2qo7s2 жыл бұрын
My friend, it’s a nice race, you should drag race with the old isf 😊
@timw20832 жыл бұрын
I have an IS500 and LC500. The races went exactly as I expected. The IS is much lighter but the LC sounds like a beast. Sam, what was wrong with your IS500? Automotive Press' IS500 had an exhaust issue. Is that a Canadian thing?
@DLPTonyATL2 жыл бұрын
No...the exhaust issue happened in the States too. I think the first reports of them where in the West Coast. It seemed to pop up within 100 miles or so of ownership, but a gasket replacement fixed it up. I'm sure the constant plant closings were the culprit, but no one (online) has been able to pin point which build dates were affected. I'm at 3300 miles on my IS 500 and didn't have any issues, thank goodness.
@timw20832 жыл бұрын
@@DLPTonyATL ok, I have 2k on mine now and no issues yet. I just heard an exhaust from RR Racing. It sounds great but I need to see if it has a drone at cruising speeds. And I'm looking for tires options, I need to see if Michelins are the only answer.
@DLPTonyATL2 жыл бұрын
@@timw2083 It’s very smart to find out about the drone at highway speeds. Good luck!
@yousefal-assaf29852 жыл бұрын
@@timw2083 Michelin Pilot 4S is the way to go
@omarelsayed79972 жыл бұрын
Please do IS500 vs M340i!!
@b58forever6 ай бұрын
m340i is faster for sure
@normt4302 жыл бұрын
The Lexus IS500 that needed fixing? Quality control?
@desioasis23782 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the Stage 3 tuned accord vs tl type s video!!!!
@unexpectedbloop Жыл бұрын
Going through random car videos and I didn't realize it was Shimmy that drives the LC500. I haven't seen him in a long time
@lutherchinn4462 жыл бұрын
Love seeing the IS 500...being a owner of a 2022 IS 350..this makes me want to trade it in when the 500 becomes more available and markup comes down..awesome race!
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
Don’t trade it in lol
@StackXBT2 жыл бұрын
@@SamCarLegion whys that? Actually curious to know
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
@@StackXBT because he will have to pay an arm and a leg for the IS500. I got lucky, but in Canada prices will triple. And honestly this car isn’t worth more than MSRP
@kawhiiee Жыл бұрын
@@SamCarLegion I got my IS500 MSRP. I traded in my Camry. Still have all my limbs.
@sitikholifah2212 жыл бұрын
Superb review
@ryb21892 жыл бұрын
That IS500 pure soul love ❤️ it.
@duhduhlovo16702 жыл бұрын
Can we see your LC500 vs a charger SRT8 or Scatpack or maybe a Camaro SS and Mustang 5.0?
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
I have 7 videos in the hard drive
@jimwallace41642 жыл бұрын
Good looking hat my guy! Love seeing this V8 on V8 battle. Shout out Shimmy with his epic LC500. ...........HOLD THE PHONE. I did a run in Shims LC and its in the video?! Hahah!! Epic.
@MrM4rvelous2 жыл бұрын
Was about to say Shim? Kinda looks like Jim
@jimwallace41642 жыл бұрын
@@MrM4rvelous Shimmy had to take a call and he asked me to hop in and give er - hilarious that it got into the video. I didn't even have a chance to strap on the seatbelt. Solid 12.5 seconds gotta be honest
@MrM4rvelous2 жыл бұрын
@@jimwallace4164 I love this 🤣
@DzikiMoronHackshield Жыл бұрын
Is the sound of is500 the same like in old isf?
@DarkPhysicx2 жыл бұрын
LC500 is one of the prettiest cars on the road for me, next to the Alfa Giulia QV which I adore.
@kyle6182 жыл бұрын
good taste!
@Gdesign959 Жыл бұрын
Two completely overlooked cars. The LC is a gorgeous and the IS is an incredible daily driver.
@TheKingc202 жыл бұрын
I have the 2022 Lexus IS 500 Launch Edition #420. I love the car.
@zendy042 жыл бұрын
i wonder how it would be if the is500 also had the same transmission, the old 8 speed is dog compared to that new 10 speed
@boot_4162 жыл бұрын
Good race 🏁
@kamran69982 жыл бұрын
Sam please say the weight in kilogram too. everytime i should convert it
@mr.boostang20648 ай бұрын
That LC500 looks so beautiful
@fabian-isf53102 жыл бұрын
Really wanna race my ISF against the IS500
@jr.sciencebros.84112 жыл бұрын
You'd lose for sure.
@fabian-isf53102 жыл бұрын
@@jr.sciencebros.8411 line it up
@arnaldourena84902 жыл бұрын
Isf wing ☺️
@drewthrower45092 жыл бұрын
@@jr.sciencebros.8411 doubtful
@northstar54052 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I got one and she's being GARAGE QUEEN since March.
@phedeks2 жыл бұрын
Can we see your IS500 vs an M340i. I have an M340i and love the IS500 . Very interested in that match up
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
It will smoke me lol
@slickdaddycc75062 жыл бұрын
Oh man that's a nice vest brotha
@nerminmehinagic27022 жыл бұрын
Next race your car vs mustang gt 10 speed 😁
@davidwade76812 жыл бұрын
From a Dig the F will beat the stang but stang takes the roll everytime
@davidwade76812 жыл бұрын
@@layne4376 the gt would lose from the dig yup because of traction
@yungactivist2 жыл бұрын
Should bring all the F’s and lc’s
@Arturito20172 жыл бұрын
Good to see the Redbull Racing. Best team🔥.
@MrDahkilla2 жыл бұрын
What’s the fastest Lexus model ?
@marcohayauxdutilly48892 жыл бұрын
the designs that Lexus is making are just glorious
@JSchaefer932 жыл бұрын
Race starts at 3:50
@montestu55022 жыл бұрын
Which one would you rather own….
@Shadowdancer777 Жыл бұрын
I would put lighter wheels on the lc500. Would definitely help acceleration.
@ted64622 жыл бұрын
The LC is still the better car but that's good fun.
@jeffl14846 ай бұрын
I do really like the IS500, but I love my LC500 a bit more.
@acatnamedscamper33072 жыл бұрын
I want EITHER one!!
@AndyMac5082 жыл бұрын
Still driving my 2016 is350 f sport RWD. I want the is500 sooooo damn bad.
@salimrandall2 жыл бұрын
IS500 vs RC-F next please.
@TriniZx32 жыл бұрын
Y'all raced with traction control on? Why?
@jonathanjones18142 жыл бұрын
The LC500 is a great car and will purchase it over the IS anyday but the lack of power is the reason the LC isn't selling. For the amount of money and weight of the LC it needs to atleast have 550+hp
@andrewandrew80022 жыл бұрын
What problems did you have is there a video going over them?
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
Gaskets - small issues
@djardy072 жыл бұрын
The IS500 is a great car and I have done hot laps in it at Road to Atlanta. Definitely not an F, but man it is great
@RoyFJ65 Жыл бұрын
Two beautiful cars with an engine thats art defined.
@euripidesroques66482 жыл бұрын
Any plans of more vids again y the 500?
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
Yep 10 More
@Da__goat2 жыл бұрын
The LC500 is truly stunning. We know in 10 years, the LC500 sold today will still be ticking over when the same BMW/MB/Audi's sold today will be getting scrapped. It's very expensive as a car, and I get the appeal, but I wouldn't buy one brand new. In 2/3 years, for around $65k, I think its a better bargain. The IS500, I would pay around $55k for, so again, not a new one in the current car market where dealer markups are insane, but a used IS-500 from say 2019/2020 in one year from now, will be a very attractive option. Even some 2016/17 GS-F, which uses the same proven engine, is absolutely epic. Just good luck finding one.
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
IS500 is only a 2022 model
@hrt66692 жыл бұрын
Dude I think in drag 1 you thought you were in a drifting competition. I am just so sad they don't make the ISF any more. Have driven both cars and they are absolute awesome. LC not an everyday car as its too hard to open wide door in shopping centre. LC is eye catching in the Street when you drive.
@samuelwh47752 жыл бұрын
The one thing is that the LC500 just sounds amazing, a believe it’s actually a lot louder too
@yousefal-assaf29852 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Both are much louder in real life. Mics just can't catch the full depth of their sounds.
@davidwade76812 жыл бұрын
Now you have to put the Is500 against the Rcf
@SamCarLegion2 жыл бұрын
Defo
@scottroberts55292 жыл бұрын
You should do a drag against ur is500 vs the is-f
@normt4302 жыл бұрын
Cadillac Black Wing has entered the chat.
@CJmk3supra2 жыл бұрын
Different class of car bro
@normt4302 жыл бұрын
@@CJmk3supra yes, the Japanese do not compete here and never have. Even the $49K CT5-V 3.0TT has 400 lb-ft of torque.