Coky Guy Challenges Muslim Got Educated! ABASS immanent and Visitor Speakers Corner Sam Dawah

[@scaryjoker]

If you read the newest edition of the study by Al-Jallad, he CLEARLY says he is going to "explore the circumstances that could have led to this curious example of shirk." This is him clearly stating polytheism existed in Arabia. Not only that but he mentions in relation to the INSCRIPTIONS that "These are often followed by prayers to the GODS that are thematically connected with what precedes: authors going on a raid will make an invocation for spoil, those pasturing request security, others keeping watch for the rains may petition for precipitation." Again, polytheism. Here is an example of polytheism, which is confirmed by the Qur'an by the way, that they worship others besides Allah: "...and he kept watch for his family while camping near water so O ḥd and O Allāt may he be secure; and may he who would read (this writing) have spoil.’" This research paper literally confirms what the Qur'an tells us. The author concludes "ḥd" is most likely a local polytheistic diety from Palmyra, or less likely, an influence from Jewish Arabian communities. The author also mentions an inscription where 5 different dieties are mentioned by one person... Polytheism again: "O Allāt, grant retribution against Ḏkr son of Ẓlm, and again, O Lt, let there be retribution! And O BꜤlsmn and śꜤhqm and Dśr and the god of Tm and the Tyche of Ḍf and the Tyche of the nabataeans and the god fals, let there be retribution!" This Christian man has no idea what he has read. Everything confirms what the Qur'an has told us, that the polytheists worshipped other deities besides Allah, and that Jewish tribes existed in Arabia.

[@tylerdavid2569]

Subhanallah like I always say with out lies christianity dies and with sincerity Islam takes over Allahu Akbar

[@Nobody-qh7hk]

Cherry-picked, out of context!

[@skhan3855]

Can you post a link to this newest edition, does he say these inscriptions that you have quoted are dated?

[@scaryjoker]

@@skhan3855 You'll have to find it yourself brother: "Al-Jallad. 2021. The 'One' God in a Safaitic Inscription" On a separate occasion he mentions that in Northern Hijaz there are three Gods being spoken about on inscriptions dated to the 4-5th century, therefore completely debunking any of these strange claims of a purely monotheistic Arabia in that time period.

[@gondala]

First of all, you have to clarify or define what shirk or polytheism is? Because some muslims even today, they pray to God only (Allah) but they actually do shirks. So, in depth investigation is needed to understand the whole picture.

[@rjakbar]

Talking to a mentally gone case is a true test of patience. Kudos to brother Imran 👏

[@michaelmike8216]

Mentally was Mohammed when he thought he was having sex..not arul

[@Badri31333]

Mental bus 🚌

[@rosdykalat2620]

@@michaelmike8216 WTF are you on about mate ?? That comment doesn't even make sense ! Like this Indian guy...you christians LOVE to make things up !!

[@ispandishariff5598]

@@michaelmike8216man (Mohamed) having sex is normal, but to believed Christian GOD impregnated Mary the mother of Jesus Christ(also GOD to Christian) is really Mentally people and you are one of them🤪

[@nothuman1640]

​@@michaelmike8216looks like someone's a*s is on fire since they can't bring a single evidence against Islam 😂

[@hafeezminhas]

Coky guy prepares all month for the exam using his self-certified Philosophy and Ideology, realizes the exam is from a different book. This guy is nuts Really.

[@michaelmike8216]

Nut are you crazy bring evidence that Mohammed existed not in islam

[@Wdrzzz]

😂😂

[@remondmsa]

❤JOHN 20 17 TRINITY EXPOSED ' (This Hebrew word means 'master'.) 17 'Do not hold Me,' Jesus said. 'I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go to my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to my Father, who is also your Father, to my God, who is also your God.

[@MohamedShou]

Watching people like Arul makes my Iman stronger 😂

[@michaelmike8216]

Strong how ..i didn't not see imran refute anything

[@wildgun95]

Arul is a Nasli Chura, his extended family and his ancestors are gutter cleaners. They dive in gutter and run public toilets. On one side they have public toilets and on the same premise they cook breakfast.

[@hudairkhan7771]

​@@michaelmike8216Hahaha human worshippers🤣🤣🤣

[@shehzad5495]

Always

[@hereweare9096]

@@hudairkhan7771Yes I note that as well… Muslims idolise Mohammad

[@bashardawood8743]

He just picks and chooses what benefits his argument from the history shelf, no one on earth argue in this way

[@remondmsa]

❤JOHN 20 17 TRINITY EXPOSED ' (This Hebrew word means 'master'.) 17 'Do not hold Me,' Jesus said. 'I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go to my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to my Father, who is also your Father, to my God, who is also your God.

[@VoicesrilankaSinhala]

Arul is Not a Preacher, He is just doing his JOB the money he gets for doing a mess.

[@michaelmike8216]

Money...he is not Mohammed....

[@dcanebreezy5784]

@@michaelmike8216 what an argument wow Money.. he is not Mohammed? if u mean Mohammed was looking for money That just shows how ignorant and dishonest you are

[@TheTruthfulOnes]

@@michaelmike8216you’re obsessed with Islam and Muslims, aren’t you? Just become a Muslim brother, your obsession with us is obvious.

[@MohamedShou]

@@michaelmike8216 ok how much did the Prophet have in his position when he died?

[@michaelmike8216]

@@MohamedShou ...this what he had....study your religion (mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Messenger Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) . She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) `Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to `Ali and `Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhri said, "They have been managed in this way till today.")

[@khaledkhaled6299]

I love brother Abbas, made me laugh really hard mocking this heckler

[@vaastafraja5685]

I really laughed hard too.. Really! Allah swt bless him.

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

😂😂😂😂😂 the show man ARUL is killing me with laughter why imran taking him seriously 😂😂😂😂😂😂LIAR WONT BRING ANY PRINT OUT 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Lailahailal laaa

[@MrMudassaranwar]

When you're paid to do this, you'll never budge.

[@nsm487]

arul is a comedian😂😂

[@actibonoh]

That makes sense :D

[@rosdykalat2620]

That's an insult to comedians !!! lol

[@Patriarchy_69]

Arul won. God bless him.

[@rosdykalat2620]

@@Patriarchy_69 hahaha...geez, you christians are funny !!

[@cbruata5198]

​@@rosdykalat2620Following the slave trader is worthy🤣 he is also a pedophile

[@buzzing8365]

This weeks: “ I would like you to present you with the print out of the evidence next week”!! Next week: “my printer was not working” !!😂😂

[@myuzairy7324]

The week after that: "I never said I would present you with anything!"

[@ibrahimstevens3926]

​@@myuzairy7324and following that "here's a printout of some stuff I've written down"😂

[@IqbalHossain-vg8vr]

😂

[@Issaullah]

Another next week: ''My printer step on a bee!''

[@hamzamalik5550]

I like the way Speaker Abbas smile😄🥰

[@alialmansoori9417]

I don't know why this guy still some people take him seriously..... Look like it was raining and nobody was there except him 😅 may Allah bless you and gives you patience

[@mouhamadoutaffa5064]

This guy is a pathological liar Safaitic (Arabic: ٱلصَّفَائِيَّة Al-Ṣafāʾiyyah) is a variety of the South Semitic scripts used by the Arabs in southern Syria and northern Jordan in Ḥarrah ...these people lived in and around Syria and Jordan. That's it!

[@WelcomeToTheRezvolution]

What do you expect from these Missionaries? Lies is what they use.

[@thereisnodemocracy5070]

TWO SMART AND INTELLIGENT MUSLIM MEN WASTING TIME WITH THIS IGNORANT VISA PREACHER, WHY?

[@taimur74]

Ignore this call center agent .. he is just desperate for attention 😂

[@hamzanocap]

Saar do not redeem saar why did you redeem

[@Sal_A]

Surprised he didn’t ask for a Apple gift card lol 🤦‍♂️

[@ahmadgazbeh8070]

أحبكم في الله دكتور عمران وأخ عباس جزاكم الله خيرا عن سائر المسلمين

[@nothuman1640]

Only legends know that Arul's daughter has accecpted Islam 😂

[@Gmayastudio]

bro really where plz tell me

[@thetravellerforhydrauliceq7523]

Bro evidence

[@nothuman1640]

@@thetravellerforhydrauliceq7523 bro I don't have the exact link but I saw a video some time ago where arul was arguing with a speaker who wears a khimar on his head... There they were laughing when arul himself said that his daughter is caught under Islam's influence and that she accecpted Islam... I will try to find the link 🤣🤣 you should see it it was hilarious

[@nothuman1640]

@@Gmayastudio I commented the link bro

[@thetravellerforhydrauliceq7523]

@@nothuman1640 s if u hv the same please share link as reply to this comment bcz I will get the notification.

[@ebrahim010]

This guy just throwing names around 🤣Alhumdulillah for Islam☝🏽

[@KunjuBakar345]

He is from millions of gods to 3 gods...wat a relief...he only needs to eliminate 2 more gods

[@farisdani]

😂😂

[@mohammadahmad5372]

This character has no knowledge of his own religion. The man talks from his backside to put it mildly

[@safetv6368]

😂I am going to unsubscribe Netflix as I found this is more entertaining with Gentleman like Mr Arul. 😂

[@TripTrekAdventure]

May Allah bless you. The way you are inviting people to Islam in the rain, may Allah reward all your team members well, Ameen.

[@angelosaleh8344]

For the sake of Allah swt, I will NEVER like Arul because He does not come there to want to hear the Truth.

[@5eurogauw]

Sneaky Christian hindu

[@itzmewaleed]

Brother Abbas's "Chu Chu Chu" Was Funny

[@siraj3255]

When Arul claims something we all know he is digging a massive hole for himself.

[@peace9265]

It's funny how he makes claim then he doesn't have it with him. The guy doesn't get it that people went away from Ibrahim's teachings to idol worshipping. He calls himself historian

[@illibega3953]

People like Arul can not be understood at anytime and should not be taken seriously.. He's been trying so hard to come out with the madness, thinking he's tough but not until he realizes the fool he's making out of himself..

[@mohamedabdulrahman3218]

This Christine man alway make fun of himself 😂

[@rjakbar]

2:39 😂 brother abbas is saying, "Are you sure?" Because he knows the Arul total bull is a certified nutcase

[@hasansyed692]

this is probably the calmest i've ever seen Arul hahahaha

[@X_x_kingfisher_x_X]

Not again, not with this shameless guy, not against Imran vai!!

[@Cyrano1971]

He can’t hide is heavy Tamil accent no matter how hard he tries! Same is his arguments that is burst into smithereens by the Muslim guys😂😂

[@sifaniniyama5319]

we are waiting for the printout😂

[@nahinisrat1182]

I loved the comments section because it is full of “😂” emoji specifically for arul. ……………😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 also love the reaction of brother Abbas.

[@VenomHK]

Arul is the type of guy who sweat even in -30C 😂😂

[@bagabossa9970]

When you no longer have arguments against Islaam then what is left other than trying to prove that Muhammad did not exist. This is a clear sign of desperation from Arul and his comfreres...

[@noobs2239]

Islam is the way forward

[@luqmankiani]

Imagine being related to this man and having to hear him every day 😂

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

IMRAN ALLAH BLESS YOU ABD PUT YOU AMONGST THE BEST OF COMPANION FOR YOUR PATIENCE

[@siddiquemalik]

Can we have a new title; Mental patient visits Doctor.

[@khabarnak]

Anyone who hates his honour among society, engages with this man

[@omom4248]

This is good debate, where is the other part please

[@sirajhassan1746]

Thank you Arul ,you are helping people to leave Christianity.

[@bla3827]

Bro Abbas may allah bless you as you made my day tututut with that smirk alhamdulilah 😂

[@mohameddassouli6930]

I don’t know why we keep talking to this guy. He is really a lost cause but instead to be open minded and honest; he keeps circling around and keep lying 🤥. We need to ignore him moving forward

[@call050]

You killed this Christian disbeliever in the end of the video 😂😂😂 ALLAHU AKBAR ❤️

[@sportstadka2185]

Where did the contemporary guys goes😂😂 Uthman

[@zaidimaissa329]

Arul every time make me laughting

[@fromtheperiphery]

I listened to a lecture by the man he referenced named Ahmed Al-Jallah. He basically stated the opposite of what this christian guy Arun claimed. ie. Safaitic inscriptions confirm that there was no monotheism in Arabia, rather there was a large number of dieties to which many stones were erected and to which people at that time presented burnt offerings. A complete fail on Arun's part, yet again. If you are interested just check the video, "An Invocation to Jesus in Safaitic Inscription" go to the 9:15 part of the lecture to confirm what I have written.

[@scaryjoker]

Yep I have also read the report myself. It's literally a confirmation of the Qur'an. Many inscriptions with multiple deities.

[@zainhoosen4659]

This guy said the same thing when Sheikh Uthman visited.

[@francescocosentini9264]

why is the video cut off ,... ????? what are you not showing????

[@pamieshuaib7]

arul is the real clown 😂😂😂😂

[@zaiffhussain3353]

Salaams brothers, this guy Arun is a guide to Islam.

[@michaelmike8216]

That why Aisha busted Mohammed and learned tricks from him "Wouldn't a woman feel too shy to offer herself to the Prophet?" Until Aileh revealed; "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will.” She said: "Then I said: 'Your Lord is quick to make things easy for you."'

[@GamingVidzs]

That guy is more fun to watch when he is in his true form which is angry & frustrated… i like his train of thoughts and how its derails😂

[@redparallax4442]

The fool sweats even when it’s raining

[@switchchannel2574]

When you go and debate with someone and point your argument but you yourself didn’t bring any evidence to back up your own claim! Like? You go to a war without bringing any bullets!!😂😂😂😂😂

[@FantaLilt]

I love the faces they make when they contradict themselves or the penny drops. I literally just wait for it. Priceless Alhamdulillah for Islam. A pure message from Allah the Almighty Creator and a clear way of life.

[@withtanweer]

Where is the full? And then the next?

[@AhmadSulaimanFahim-p3q]

When you are taught in a wrong way and in the exam you memorize some words given by your (false) teacher just to pass your exam. 10 years later when you graduate and have a presentation or debate with others.😂

[@truthspeaker12]

Rain came at the right time disturbing someone 🤣

[@MM-gu5tj]

THIS GUY IS AWARE OF THE SCRIPTURES YET HE ARGUES AND DENIES THEM COMPLETELY. !!!!

[@NadeemHussain-rt3fd]

It’s back to the SCAM err Call Centre for FOOL Arul!! 🤦🏽😂🤣

[@IqbalHossain-vg8vr]

From Indian scam call center job to here. What do u expect! Arul: Saar i get more earningg here saar than previous job saar

[@hishambaptist7742]

The way brother Abbas laughs really makes me laugh out load ...

[@michaelmike8216]

Like how Mohammed saw saffiya for the 1st tym and wanted to sleep with her..same night

[@King_David794]

Hey coky sam why not upload the full video ?

[@Ntwadumela266]

Ah yes Arul and his degree from the Sainsburys toilet

[@boughrietmohamed9411]

Allah Akbar ☝️😢

[@patronzulfan]

Allahu akbar

[@SohoKnights]

This Arul always talks sense! Prove him wrong? No! You can't!

[@muhammadayyob]

Please upload second part

[@takilee6925]

Same, my Allah grant him understanding insha-allah

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

😂😂😂😂😂ARUL THINKS HE IS DONAL TRUMP ABD HE CAN EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH 😂😂😂😂 LOOK AT HAND GUESTURE WITH HIS THICK INDIAN ACCENT 😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉

[@addinhowtobasic]

When arul starts debating it rains so hard lul

[@onyruddhorezaaurup6873]

Arul allredy has learned a great lesson which is not shouting while talking😂...

[@abcvzz]

rain is pouring down but coky is relentless in his nonsenses

[@KAD1935]

Wher is the full video

[@satria044]

This discussion which was supposed to be an academic discussion turned out to be a funny conversation to watch because Arul superficially arguments and vogue statements. Funny guy!😅

[@uthman2281]

Hindu christian pagan

[@yogs807]

2023 Coky guy still confused😂😂😂

[@rockyattar]

Arul is making up BS lol 😂 Arul knows deep down Islam is a true religion. Allah Hu Akber ☝️

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

😅😅😅ARUL PANTS ON FIRE LIAR 😅😅😅

[@yousufsadat9243]

Can we have the entire conversation please?

[@shus5787]

He sweated buckets when Hijab destroyed him

[@GeographicalWatermelon]

Hope A-rul is seeing a psychiatrist.

[@mohammedahmad8039]

Safaitic is a variety of the South Semitic scripts used by the Arabs in southern Syria and northern Jordan. there are still tens of thousands of inscriptions that need to be studied, and also the inscriptions tend to be predominantly either from the north or the south of the Arabian Peninsula, which tells us mainly what people in the north and south could have believed but not enough was discovered that conclusively confirm the argument that Arul is claiming. I have seen a couple of lectures of Dr Ahmad Aljallad and Arul is totally misrepresenting the argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is putting forward. Dr Ahmad Aljallad has documented stone Safaitic inscriptions predominantly in the northern part of the Arabian Peninsula from various centuries prior to Islam, and has shown that few centuries before the emergence of Prophet Mohammed there were inscriptions supplicating to various names of different gods but as the inscription approaches the emergence of Islam, more and more inscriptions shift towards supplicating exclusively to “Allah” as the supreme deity, but Arul is claiming that the findings of Dr Ahmad Aljallad challenge the “supposed” conventional narrative which Arul has distorted by claiming that the Muslim narrative says that Arabia before the advent of Islam was totally polytheistic and that only Islam introduced monotheism in Arabia that didn’t exist before which is not at all what the Muslim narrative says. So that’s the argument that Arul is claiming. The traditional narrative does identify monotheism as being part of the religious landscape, and they are referred to as “ḥunafā”. Moreover, the traditional narrative also identify that “the mushrikoon” already believed Allah was the supreme deity that created everything. The problem with Aruls argument is that Dr Ahmad Aljallad himself have used verses from the Quran itself that show how “the mushrikoon” who are usually referred to in English as “the polytheists” themselves refer to Allah, as the name of the supreme deity so, to my knowledge, “the mushrikoon” were not claiming that their idols were the supreme Creator of the heavens and earth, but rather their idols were intercessors and intermediaries to get closer to Allah, the supreme deity similar to what is still happening in Catholicism in using Mary and the Saints as intermediaries to get to God, despite Catholics not claiming that neither Many nor any of the Saints are the supreme Creator of the Universe himself, and even Jesus Christ himself is used to get to the father (which is a whole different discussion). The same rationale is found in Hinduism as well, with Brahman being identified as the supreme Creator, while devotion is given to multiple entities taken as lords, which makes the findings of those stone inscriptions as evidence confirming what the Quran is saying anyway. You can see that in Quran chapter 39 verse 3 Indeed, sincere devotion is due ˹only˺ to Allah. As for those who take other lords besides Him, ˹saying,˺ “We worship them only so they may bring us closer to Allah,” surely Allah will judge between all regarding what they differed about. Allah certainly does not guide whoever persists in lying and disbelief. Also Quran chapter 39 verse 38 If you ask them ˹O Prophet˺ who created the heavens and the earth, they will certainly say, “Allah!” So we know “the mushrikoon” knew Allah was the Creator, so it wasn’t necessarily that they claimed that their idols were the Creator himself, But what they did was use intermediaries between them and Allah, the supreme deity, and claimed their devotion to those intermediaries gets them closer to Allah, the supreme deity. I can literally see so many Quran verses to further demonstrate this point, but I think the reader gets what I am saying. Arul appears to be too desperate to discredit Islam, that he straw manned the Muslim narrative and also straw manned the work of Dr Ahmad Aljallad himself. Maybe Arul didn’t concern himself enough with digging deeper into the subject matter he is debating

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

Briliant explaination

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

Briliant

[@adamaourara2942]

Great conclusion, been observing Al Jallads work for a few years, it absolutely excites those that seek to prove islam as false, the commentaries on these lectures and ludicrous countless over arching conclusions implying , islam established in Jordan or, mohammed ( saw) didn't exist, now they salivate at the idea Islamic monotheism existed a century or 2 before mohammed (saw)

[@mohammedahmad8039]

@@adamaourara2942 But that is the explicit claim of Islam which is that the islamic monotheism existed since the time of the first man on earth, Adam PBUH and was distorted along the lines by people who came after only to be polished to its original form by the prophets of God (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus…etc) while people who came after the death of those prophets distorted the truth of the message again so no Muslim ever claimed that this form of monotheism was exclusively “islamic” or was something that prophet Mohammed PBUH started but the very idea that you are describing that it was, is one way of how these charlatan missionaries try to confuse people. (And I believe they would be better off trying to be truthful and sincere with their approach to these matters) I don’t concern myself much with the opinions expressed in the comments section under the videos of Dr Ahmad Aljallad, or any other scholar for that matter, and neither should you or anyone else do. It is more productive to spend the energy instead on understanding the arguments, analyzing the evidence which, ironically, once done, demonstrates that people like Arul, and other missionaries, and those posting the comments who you are referring to are straw manning what is being discussed anyway. The way Arul presented the argument, he has distorted the issue by falsely framing both what Dr Ahmad Aljallad said and also what the Muslim narrative says, So let me try to unpack that for you, and please feel free to respond with your thoughts (and I apologize in advance if I repeat myself). The first false framing is straw manning the Muslim narrative by claiming that the Muslim narrative says that Arabia before the advent of Islam was totally polytheistic and that it was only Islam that introduced monotheism in Arabia that didn’t exist before which is not at all what the Muslim narrative says nor is it what Muslims believe. So that’s the first misrepresentation of the facts that Arul is making in his argument. The traditional narrative does identify monotheism as being part of the religious landscape, and they are referred to as “ḥunafā”. The historical narrative also identifies Judaism and Christianity as being part of the religious landscape but the real question is what do people mean when they use the word monotheism. Because the confusion that Arul is inserting into the discussion comes from referring“the mushrikoon” who are usually referred to in English as “the polytheists” while implying that the definition of polytheism and the defense of monotheism are identical to the way we understand and classify polytheism and monotheism in the twenty first century. But, to my knowledge, this is totally unhistorical even according to western academic consensus. If you listen to lectures by Dr Bart Ehrman, he himself makes that point about how people nowadays misunderstand how people understood divinity in early Christianity. In our current times, we tend to think of God as the Divine that is separated from the Mortal creation, which wasn’t the case in those days in early centuries CE who viewed divinity as a spectrum instead of two polar opposites. So peoples understanding of the Divine in those centuries was more fluid (which I believe Islam totally helped in challenging the old understanding and accelerating this current understanding of monotheism with its challenge to how people viewed the Divine in those days and helped crystallize our understanding of monotheism as we understand it today as a total and complete distinction between what is Divine and what is not Divine particularly when trinitarians to this day have a murky definition of what they consider Divine with their views on the relationship between the son and the father. You can add to this that based on my understanding of the lectures I regularly watch of scholars like Dr Bart Ehrman and James Tabor and other, I can see from their work that we can trace the Divine/Mortal fluidity not only in early Christianity but also in Judaism and the rest of the elements of the religious landscape in those early times in the first half of the first millennium)

[@mohammedahmad8039]

@@adamaourara2942 Also Keep in mind, the traditional Muslim narrative also identify that “the mushrikoon” already believed Allah was the supreme deity that created everything (and its even referenced in the Quran itself) so it’s not surprising to find inscriptions supplicating to Allah like those that Dr Ahmad Aljallad described, especially when he himself made reference in those lectures to verses from the Quran itself that further enforce this point, so to my knowledge, “the mushrikoon” were not claiming that their idols were the supreme Creator of the heavens and earth, nor were they claiming their idols were coequal to the Creator of the heavens and earth like what a person could understand to be the case if this person applied our current impression of what we understanding to be polytheism, but rather “the mushrikoon” were claiming their idols were intercessors and intermediaries that only helped them to get closer to Allah (which Dr Ahmad Aljallad made reference to the position that Patricia Crone had which is that these old gods represented by those idols were reimagined as Angles and subordinate beings to God that received devotion from “the mushrikoon” and were intercessors and intermediaries that only helped them to get closer to Allah, which is consistent with what the Quran says anyway) Interestingly enough, for me at least, is that the argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is putting forward, shows how the religious practice of “the mushrikoon” is similar to what is still happening in Catholicism in using Mary and the Saints as intermediaries to get to God, despite Catholics not claiming that neither Many nor any of the Saints are the supreme Creator of the Universe himself, and even Jesus Christ himself is worshipped to get to the father which Christians conclude from reading John 14:6 (which is a whole different discussion but it helps demonstrate this point further). But I am saying that this point is interesting, because some scholars (who tend to be either Christian or secular but funded by Christians) have made the claim that the Quran made a mistake in thinking Mary was part of the Trinity in Surah AlMaeda in the verse where Allah asks Jesus Christ “"O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allāh?'" Jesus will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right.” And the interesting part is that the argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is putting forward, addressed and responded to this claim by enforcing the Divine fluidity that existed in those days, despite his point not being a core argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is concerned with !!! Because we know from the Quran that “the mushrikoon” knew Allah was the Creator, so it wasn’t necessarily that they claimed that their idols were the Creator himself, or necessarily part of the Creator in the form that Trinitarians proposed, but rather this divine fluidity is more expressed in a way that is similar to how Catholics don’t claim Mary or the Saints were the Creator himself or part of the Creator, But rather what “the mushrikoon” did was use their idols as intermediaries between them and Allah, and claimed their devotion to those intermediaries gets them closer to Allah, who, in their belief, was the supreme deity anyway. So apply that logic to Catholicism and you get your clarification of the point I am making on what those missionaries claim about what the Quran is saying

[@SharudinMd]

Arul the joker.......lets laugh😂😂😂😂

[@shawnysean76]

arul likes to use terma like 'contemporary evidence or artifacts'in his silly argumemts and claims...😂

[@noorulameen804]

Arul finally scored his own goal!

[@rapidblaze5664]

This is what happens when a known heckler..someone who is known for shouting and talking rubbish is actually questioned and put in a situation where he has to actually provide proof . 14 minuted of utter rubbish and no proof provided

[@sanamo86]

Abbas'd tut tut tut is what i live for

[@azimak75]

subhanallah Allah exposed him BAD

[@mpaturkey8027]

First of all Does he know the difference Btw idolatrous and monotheism 💀

[@updell6817]

😂😂😂 Arul do you still get paid

[@khalidpervez9927]

Looking forward to part 2)

[@aboalighazali9597]

Last time he denied khalifa Othman. He said there is no in history a man called Othman!!!

[@robbyatmaja6896]

Arul again????? Really????? Come on brothers... It's arul

[@shus5787]

Mr sweaty messing with the A team

[@hasifsoffianchannel6494]

Him again😅...Arul....Arul....u arrr....trying hard to prove something by bringing down others beliefs....

[@inatesoultruefitra291]

❤❤❤ARUL FALSE CLAIMS AND DEMEANOR IS A GUIDE TO ALL DISBELIEVERS TO COME TO ISLAM

[@Alex21441]

This is how Muslims should discuss these affairs, calm, listen and let the person speak without jumping in.

[@fahadusmani2184]

Imran and Abbas amazing