Sonic Prime Was...

[@MarioKartGamerDude]

How on earth did Rouge and Shadow not interact once in this show?

[@erugurara8235]

They once, shadow comments on Sonic and she guides him in the dirección, also wanst mándate by Sega that shadow is no friend of rush.

[@ZeeecksLegends]

Shadow only interacts with one of Rouge’s multiverse counterparts, not even the normal Rouge herself lol

[@KgEclispe252]

Like seriously what was the point of her presence in the show. At least I got some Knuxrouge but still

[@erugurara8235]

you can say that for all the prime friends so is moot point@@ZeeecksLegends

[@KgEclispe252]

@@erugurara8235 Which is one of the problems with this show we barely see the original versions actually do anything. Always trapped in some dimension like always

[@Mars44875]

I’m not gonna lie my entire experience with this show was “i miss Shadow, when’s shadow gonna come back?” Because literally all the best moments happened when he was on screen whether it be fight scenes, the funny moments or Shadow literally helping Sonic grow as a character. He was written so well and yet the writers used him almost like a temporary reward for fans rather than a pivotal character??? They literally threw the highlight of the series in a ravine for a few episodes because why not? Insane.

[@annalynn8264]

Shadow being "stuck" in a ravine for multiple episodes like little Timmy being stuck down a well pissed me off so much, truly the pinicle of horrible writing and plot convenience. Then, to top it off, didn't he say something like "Oh if only I had a chaos emerald, I could have used chaos control to get out of here," uhh...no?! That's not exactly what chaos control even does; that's what chaos *snap* does. Unless I'm mistaken, chaos control slows down time for the user of said move, whereas chaos snap is that little teleportation move Shadow is seen doing on occasion in the mainline games. So not only did the writers make the common mistake of mixing up chaos control with chaos snap, they also forgot that Shadow doesn't necessarily require a chaos emerald to use chaos snap/teleport around in the first place...at least not in Sonic 06, Boom, and Forces. Oh, and the inhibitor rings. Guess they're just for decoration. The writers didn't want to make him too powerful, Sonic's the main character, after all! 😑

[@Mars44875]

@@annalynn8264 literally they nerfed shadow’s physical strength for emotional vulnerability and empathy like why can’t he just have both? 😭

[@Sylvan404]

They had to hold him back because Shadow would've solo'd the ENTIRE cast.

[@sohaibhamdan2114]

I hate how they nerfed him like isnt he supposed to use chaos control without the emerald, same w chaos Spears etc..

[@sohaibhamdan2114]

​@@annalynn8264u said exactly what I thought when I watched the show

[@okamiodonnell9153]

I still can't believe they pulled a Dark Sonic from X and gave Sonic a new transformation in drop 2...only for it to be completely forgotten about and never used at all during the FOUR episodes of fighting throughout drop 3.

[@saltyapple]

19:00 the reason everyone gets right back up loops back to rebel rouge’s plan-it’s revealed that pretending to be beaten was a step in the plan that the audience wasn’t privy to.

[@Atomas69]

Thats a HUGE piece of information you just gave. I needed that, thanks

[@hopegalaxy]

I think Sam forgot about that part. But I don't blame him due to how boring and irritating the entire season was getting.

[@Onaterdem]

​@@hopegalaxyYeah, he probably forgot, because missing it was literally impossible. There was a long, boring, dragged out, super obvious reveal/exposition scene.

[@ashterrifictales7317]

Yeah, it’s just how that plan went nowhere lol. Felt like it was finally the end of the fights! Just for it to go nowhere and we’re back to how we were before the plan…

[@ZachtheRobot]

This show feels like should’ve been rewritten as an Animated movie the more I think about it.

[@mufinboi975]

That wouldve been a sick movie not gonna lie. But it couldve worked as a series if either they cut down the series a bit or just wrote a better story.

[@bwmpii_yt]

felt like they couldve just cut it down to a few 40-50 minute specials

[@TronicSSJ07]

Into the Chaosverse

[@the-paige-gonzales]

Yeah,,, either a movie or a limited series would’ve been rlly good

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

Better up, they could have not made this garbage and everyone would have been none the wiser.

[@basedfrost882]

Quite frankly, I am SO TIRED of Western studios approach to making content with "make as many toys as we can sell first, then make an actually good story second". The writing was on the wall the minute they revealed the different versions of the main cast bc you just knew that it was going to effect how the show itself was written. I really thought Season 2 would break the mold but Season 3 just made me disappointed all over again.

[@AxsorXI]

If you didn't like this animated series, maybe it's because this show is made by WildBrain. Do you know that animation company? Let's just say they did some mediocre animated series for kids. Animated series for kids could be good, but if the production company isn't that great, well, you get disappointing products. In western animation there are some animation companies which think that quality is irrelevant because young audience doesn't care about it. And then these companies don't put so much effort in their cartoons. They still get money from the audience. That's not really a good way to think. Maybe those companies are indeed a little incompetent and selfish. Audience deserves good products by good writers, directors, animators and voice actors. What do you think about WildBrain?

[@Kyterfied]

Can you explain in more detail?

[@AxsorXI]

@@Kyterfied There are companies which care about profit without caring so much about quality. That's simple.

[@basedfrost882]

​@@Kyterfied In western animation, more specifically animation made for TV/ Streaming, everything has to fit into a check box. The highest priority when making any show is "Profit return", meaning, "how much money can we make back?" This idea of "Profit return" isn't wrong. Every company has to think this way so they can protect their bottom line... The issue comes from the fact that western animation studios- like Wildbrain, the studio behind Sonic Prime- approach it in the REVERSE order. They write their shows around the idea of making as many toys they can sell as possible, because that was the original approach back in the 70's 80's & 90's. It worked extremely well for a time, but as the animation industry and story writing became more complex, it's stopped working in their favor, ESPECIALLY over the last 10 years. All of the alternate dimension characters in Sonic Prime (the Egg Council, Boss Cage Mage, Pirates, and New Yolk variants of the characters) do not exist because someone in the writers room was really passionate about them as characters. They were created first and foremost with the idea of wanting to primarily sell them as toys, and secondarily making all of them compelling and well-written characters. This approach ONLY works with new IP it is based around- such as Ben 10, another property by Wildbrain- because there isn't any pre-established foundation for how the story should play out in tandem with toys released. This approach doesn't work with pre-existing IP because there is already an established foundation of how characters should act, and how the stories play out. As a result, they have to retroactively change BOTH of these aspects so they properly fit into the "let's sell as many toys as we can" box first and foremost. The writers and studios care about the source material, sure, but they only care as much as they need to while still doing what they've always set out to do- sell toys and merchandise. This is also exactly why Pac Man and the Ghostly Adventures and the Mega Man show failed miserably.

[@Peasham]

​@@basedfrost882This is one of the very few shows where the prime version of each character was completely in character, what are you talking about?

[@Shadic135]

18:57 regarding the “sudden” part. It was actually planned to happen. Sonic told everyone to pretend to lose, and when he takes care of Nine, and causes him to use the prism to power himself up more, the robots will get weaker because of that, which will give the others an advantage over them. Hence why they “suddenly” woke up after being defeated

[@It_dee_ot]

Yo, when I tell you I did NOT take that sails and mangy "sacrifice" seriously I mean I legit forgot the moment it happened and when they came back I was like, " I forgot about them. " 😂 I don't know what they thought they were doing but it failed miserably..

[@epicman4516]

For me, when it happened I was like legitimately shocked that they werre gone. But then I realized that sega never kills off important character even (minor characters like them so (Bad guys get defeated) they would have to come back in a later episode. Got to say though I wasn’t expecting them to reprogram the girm big.

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

I was thinking that Netflix legitimately killed off two alternative tails.

[@elisabethsun7059]

@@epicman4516 Emerl from Sonic Battle? Shadow was also originally supposed to die in SA2.

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

Same I was like "they ain't dead" and aside from the first moment, the characters also seemingly forgot immediately And then they just returned and I was like "Oh yeah, you were here"

[@manuelinacio4038]

Thepjshow explained perfectly well why the Chaos Council doesn't work. One of the reasons why Nine works as the final villain is because they are nothing but a joke

[@EccentricSandal]

When I initially heard Wildbrain was going to be the studio behind the show, I was skeptical. They tend to "dumb down" and simplify their shows so they're easier for younger kids to understand, but with Sonic, that was *never* an issue to begin with.

[@AxsorXI]

In western animation there are some animation companies which think that quality is irrelevant because young audience doesn't care about it. And then these companies don't put so much effort in their cartoons. They still get money from the audience. That's not really a good way to think. Maybe those companies are indeed a little incompetent and selfish. Audience deserves good products by good writers, directors, animators and voice actors. And if they don't understand or don't care about that, then they don't deserve so much support.

[@obd9660]

Never an issue? Why not?

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

​@@AxsorXIYo why you dissing voice actors?

[@AxsorXI]

@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 I did?

[@akdreamer6497]

So you only played Sonic Colors?

[@Caydeeboi]

It’s so weird too because Sonic was like “if nine doesn’t stop he’s ours” and then for the rest of the episodes he tries to get nine to stop like WHAT HAPPENED???

[@kawaiiskittle3512]

Fr though. I was also confused because it seemed Sonic was mad at nine earlier, wanting to fight him but later he’s like “We can start over!” Or something like that. I mean, I like Nine and all but that was confusing to me.

[@bwtmagnesiumwater]

@@kawaiiskittle3512no fr like he charged at him angry and then the episode ends and he comes back to saying “Nine this isn’t you” like IS THIS DUDE BIPOLAR

[@Diamonddeath]

Supposedly, Shadow wasn't stuck in the crevice because he couldn't leave but because robots kept fighting him down there. The strange thing is more so why he stayed there after destroying all the robots, unless the idea is that he kept fighting even up to that moment when Sonic fell down there.

[@weelolol]

i think they just sent more everytime he tried to leave

[@Blox248]

Surprised you didn't mention during one of the fights in the Grim, a version of Big saved Sonic by jumping in front of him and taking a pretty big hit from a metal Sonic that was charging at him. It was a nice heroic moment for Big that I actually quite liked.

[@twidashfan]

i still feel like shadow should have more screentime and using his chaos powers and taking off his rings to fight the robots and nine in the final battle,and not have the writers just forget about him.

[@Onaterdem]

Shadow no inhibitor rings would immediately destroy Nine's whole army, obv they couldn't do that. But it would be great for a final fight

[@surenderreddy8144]

He doesn’t have chaos powers without the emerald in this show, and the inhibitor rings were only brought up in x, 06, and I think once in the Archie comics and never again

[@Banana807]

The fact that we wont probably get another show in a very long time its sad

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

@Banana807 Sure, we got Knuckles (2024) not long after Prime ended, but that was planned for a while as an interquel series, taking place after the events of the second live-action film but before the third.

[@sonicfan9144]

I want Sonic Boom back. The games may have ranged from shit (Rise of Lyric) to decent at best (Fire and Ice), but the show was gold for me.

[@Goomba1309]

Dude, you summed up my thoughts on Season 3 BRILLIANTLY. I'll be the first to admit, I enjoyed the action sequences and the interactions between the Shatterspace counterparts, but hawt mama, the padding was REAL in this season. Mind you not btw, I went in this season completely blind. When the fight started in Episode 3, I thought, "oh heck yeah, the final battle is on!". But by Episode 7, I was all like "good lord Goomboss, have they seriously been fighting for five whole episodes?!", and it doesn't help that there was this cycle of "Sonic and friends fight Nine and the Grim Robots, win, and the situation escalates so Nine uses more power to build better or bigger robots so he wins and Sonic and Rebel have to adapt and think of a new plan; rinse and repeat, almost ad nauseam". And then when Nine finally realized the weight of his actions, I couldn't help but be a little bit aggravated that they spent five episodes fighting over something that possibly could've been easily fixed if Sonic told Nine to simply look around himself

[@Atomas69]

Nine was clearly being messed with by the prism energy he harnessed, and solely focused on the fight, so of course he wouldnt notice the damage he did until he stopped

[@Goomba1309]

@@Atomas69 That actually makes sense, didn't really think of that

[@JakeTylenol]

Sonic Prime was PROOF…..that Sonic can have cool action scenes in his tv shows and not just homing attack/spin dash spams (Looking at you X, SATAM, Boom, and ATOSH)….as far as the rest of the show goes, I can leave it

[@Angie2343]

What about Sonic Underground?

[@yam9195]

That show is 25 years old now.​@@Angie2343

[@justcallmekai1554]

Yeah that's really good highlight of Prime . Hand to hand looks satisfying to watch. It would be also cool to expand on special abilities the characters have and how they interact with each other in a fight. Basically similar to stuff like HxH.

[@Angie2343]

@@justcallmekai1554 What about Sonic Underground?

[@AsecasJavi]

If you mean the sonic underground by tamers12345 yeah. There's a ton of action there. And abuse. And violence. ​@@Angie2343

[@Camad]

Okay so. As with many other Netflix animated shows, what they did was Netflix ordered one season of Sonic Prime. Only one, but with a LOT of episodes. And as this "season" is finished up, they release some episodes in a batch that they name a season. So what right? Well I really belive that midpoint through "Season 2" the budget really started to dry up and the crunch set in, this led to them having to really reuse assets. Because of this, the third "Season" HAD to stay in that one environment, almost the entire time. Leading to... uh, that season. This also applies to the writing, in my opinion they introduced each area WAY too quickly, they couldve spaced out how fast Sonic moved about the spaces.

[@mitchellbambam5926]

For the chaos council, I think they should’ve also put each Eggman in a different universe. I would’ve loved to see some uniquely goofy takes on Eggman. Like a pirate Captain Yolkbeard with a robotisized sorta cyborg crew. Have a Once-ler inspired Eggman in the jungle world, who started the deforestation originally. As for New Yolk… what if Eggman just was a machine in that universe and wants to run the entire city, and later the universe as a well-oiled machine. Three Eggmen. A direct foil to Sonic in New-Yolk, a rival to Captain Knuckles in the Pirate world, and a proper foil to Thorn Rose in the Jungle. One pure evil villain, and two greedy jerks. The mechs could be cool too.

[@aidanhammans9337]

Yeah. While I could argue about the interpretation, it was always a bit confusing that Eggman was the one character to work like he did. Just make him follow the rules and split him up amongst the Shatterspaces. The Chaos Council could have even formed from them.

[@hopegalaxy]

You came up with better ideas for Eggman and his variants than the writers and executives could try. Bravo!👏🏻

[@tk32502]

and good names for a boss cage maze no place versions of eggmans captain eggbeard the pirate and eggplant

[@tk32502]

imagine if dread meet no place pirate captain eggman in angel island and then he took the master emerald and then dread became dread and maybe boss cage maze eggman is the reason how he cause boss cage maze into being a huge survival jungle

[@kaistudios5536]

So Sam, when Sonic's friends were tired, *they were faking it.* So when Nine saw that and diverted the Prism's energy for other resources and the robots were powering down, Sonic's friends stopped pretending and then pushed back against the robot army.

[@3DoublePoint]

I 100% agree with you. Sonic Prime is not canon to the games. Because Rouge is not that being close friends to sonic, and it's kinda felt weird to see she joins sonic crew, and sonic didn't realize that chaos sonic "the robot" was similar to metal sonic.

[@bwtmagnesiumwater]

Exactly this shit is not canon at all

[@boltthelunarian1405]

Well, Ian Flynn has stated on his tweet saying he's not the one to choose to make Sonic Prime Canon, and plus, he's only a Story Consultant to this show. So, what's done is done, we can't do anything about it.

[@lwrider10andhisstuff52]

True but again that was just bad of a choice no matter if it was changed or not​@@boltthelunarian1405

[@tk32502]

And one question how come sonic didn’t remember metal sonic as a 2d pixel flashback when he encountered chaos sonic

[@bampowbang6898]

Your right about the Egg Council. Honestly, they should've drawn inspiration for a variation of Eggman inspired by SatAM and Eggman Nega.

[@NintendoMeister2260]

I think they could’ve worked if they weren’t just comedy characters. I think it would’ve been interesting to see aspects of Eggman through differently aged characters but instead we got baby, emo gamer, millennial, grandpa, and the only good one.

[@MasonProductions12]

I would’ve perfered it if Season 3 had one grim fight episode, the next episode had sonic’s world returned to normal, and then the final 3 episodes could’ve been a sorta epilogue

[@Bamafan777]

I definitely hope that in the future games and shows and movies shadow has as good writing as he did in prime.

[@mysteryperson1958]

Never mind i re-read what you wrote (oopies). I agree tho. Sega needs to let shadow be shadow.

[@JumperTV33]

Pausing the video now to clarify that in Season 2, Captain Dread purposefully mislead his crew into distrusting Sonic because he was plotting to betray him and get back his beauty. It wasn’t all of the characters just being stupid, just most of them blindly following their Captain. Now, back to the video. Pausing again. In Season 2, those “Ghost Friends” briefly turned into the real versions when Nine was figuring out how to put the shards together. So they’re more real than you think. But in the season 3 opening, there’s nothing they can do for them so they have to leave. Oh yeah, episodes 4 thru 7 dragged WAY too long. The fighting started when Nine insulted chili dogs and Sonic said “Of course you realize THIS means WAR!” XD, just kidding. That “Friends down for the count but then suddenly get back up again” was a plan made by Sonic. Nine even told Sonic it was clever but that “betrayal comes natural to you”. So it was pointed out, just pointing it out, lol. But I understand you were tired at this point. Oh the canon thing was most CERTAINLY a marketing ploy.

[@crystalhampton2240]

It honestly feels like the crew (and Netflix) didnt know how successful the show would be and tried doing too much in a short amount of time.

[@mangodango1733]

This show really feels like something that got rewritten last second

[@mangodango1733]

Like there's a lot of nice things but so many out of left field issues

[@Izzyisneon]

about Nine's motive, if the prism gets fixed the shatterverse disappears along with him he was afraid of that, i don't think he would've cared if he could just live in the grim

[@MaxusFox23]

Counterpoints: 1) When the Prism shockwave brought back Sonic's world for a hot second, Nine didn't disappear nor comments about experiencing anything similar. The show proved all Shatterspaces can coexist including Green Hill both then and by the near end. 2) The show never bothered to explain what actually happens with the Shatterspaces after the events of the series. We don't know if they only came to exist when Sonic crashed into the Prism nor if they were just non-observable to begin with. Tl;dr Nine overreacted greatly but had a point when he said Sonic didn't even consider it. Which is why is SO insulting how the show treats itself with a simple "Well, that happened. So, who wants takeout?"

[@tk32502]

And nine desited to live in new yoke and start his live all over again and forget about the grim

[@tk32502]

hopefully we get new shatterverse gateways from the yellow purple and the rest of the prism that sonic and his friends can adventure in

[@tk32502]

ghost hill got exploded from the prism in the the grim and it got decayed I think the yellow and purple shard might recreate new worlds with live in it and be rouge and bigs own world

[@CastellANM]

The sprite work in Sonic Prime as a whole was a crime

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

As a fellow sprite artist seeing two different character styles in the same scene the way it was ticked me off.

[@jaylenbutler899]

Laserhawk’s sprite work is better

[@sonicnetwork2944]

I didn't think they were bad it's only for a short moment although I didn't know Sprite's had it's own art form thanks for filling me in Sam

[@RaccoonThunderMario_Official]

@@sonicnetwork2944 Even if it was for a short moment you gotta admit it was very weird they decided to keep Sonic and Tails in their classic forms when Eggman looks how he should in Sonic Advance 3.

[@sonicnetwork2944]

@@RaccoonThunderMario_Official I can't admit anything sure I've seen better such as fallen star but you got to take in account that the budget in prime goes to the 3d animation I'm cutting them slack since well this isn't the full show the 3d is now I'm not saying it's as good as the show's animation but it's not badly animated coming to think of it after rewatching that scene it is weird that egg man has his advance Sprite and sonic having classic with green eyes but that's more of the model than making it move I think that's what people hate about it. The Sprite's used because the animation of it is pretty good in my opinion

[@kaobunn]

i think netflix ordering 24 episodes kind of doomed this show from the beginning if im being honest, i personally had fun with season 3 i loved the finale personally, i thought it was cool, tense, emotional and fun but the day prime was announced and netflix was like "it's 24 episodes" i was like "alright how are you gonna take this for 24 episodes?" and honestly.....felt like they were written into a corner because of that episode order- i believe what happened is the episode order came first and the crew had to develop around that amount, and as a result, wrote themselves into a seriously tight corner because season 3 is the epitome of "okay netflix wanted 24 episodes, we gotta give them 24 episodes" but they dragged because they were trying to come up with some way to reach that count to satisfy the higher-ups if prime was a netflix movie or miniseries from the beginning, it could've been amazing and all the pacing would be negated, but unfortunately, netflix ordering 24 episodes was them shooting themselves in the foot, and it's a shame, because i did really enjoy the show all flaws aside, because i can see passion, i can see a crew who loves creative worldbuilding, but it all came crashing down again, due to the episode count

[@geeebuttersnap2433]

Yeah, sonic prime should have been an 8 episode miniseries, and then get cancelled after the first season.

[@roopasampathkumar2333]

@@geeebuttersnap2433 bro why do you need it to be cancelled if they cancelled it it would become a cliffhanger and no new characters it would become sonic satam of 2022

[@tk32502]

Yeah Netflix should make a sonic prime movie where both eggman and the chaos counsel be the big deal then nine

[@tk32502]

And silver blaze having a chance to appear in sonic prime but only in the movie

[@supersonicbro]

The part that was so weird to me was during the "plan" scene, they showed a bunch of random past and future scenes cut together.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

You are so right about the canonicity of this show being marketing ploy. This isn't a problem exclusive to Sonic, but a lot of companies have begun to advertize their shows as "canon" to drum up hype and get hardcore fans to watch. But it's all just lip service and it's damaging the overall canon and trust between fans and the company. If we keep getting told something is canon when it's clearly not, we aren't going to believe companies anymore. As a result, the term "canon" will lose all meaning and legitimacy because it was abused by companies. They are trying to pull a boy who cried wolf. And the ironic thing about canon is that if a pieces of media is really canon, they shouldn't have to tell you that it's canon outside of that media. I should not have to hear a writer say it's canon or read that info in a marketing release. If a show, game, or movie really is canon, it will be clear in that pieces of media itself because it will align with past media and not contradict it. Like there is no debate that Sonic Frontiers is canon because the game makes it obvious. By that logic, you should never have to be told something is canon. And thats worlds the other way too, if something is non-canon that media will make it obvious. But that's ok, fan won't complain if something is non-canon if it was never advertize as being canon, they only get upset after being lied to by the company. If a company is deliberately highlighting a piece of media as canon, you should be suspicious, because there is no reason for them to do that unless that media will clearly contradict the canon.

[@aahiljcat]

19:00 I will defend sonic prime here. Their plan was to pretend to stay down till the robots got weaker and then fight

[@jaylenbutler899]

14:06 I think the reason why this happened was because something similar happened in Sonic Movie 2. In that movie; Knuckles reveals to Sonic that his dad died the same day Sonic was forced to leave his home planet and go to earth. With Sonic sympathizing, seeing how he lost Longclaw on that same day. Only for Tails to intervene, making Knuckles immediately assume that Sonic was trying to bait him into a trap.

[@thesupermayoreo]

What does "Sonic Prime is Canon to the games" even mean anyway? It really means nothing to me.

[@sonicun9907]

the issue with season 3 is that it could have been just 3 episodes, there was A LOT of fluff to pan out the season, a lot of boring filler, shadow was the mvp though, best shadow in any sonic media, period, that last scene of him saving sonic's ass is something that's gonna stick with me for a long time

[@superradicalsquad6617]

I wish the ending of Sonic Prime was like Sonic being happy that his back in Green Hill and got his friends back and explaining what happened instead the ending that we got

[@the_black_belt_drummer]

I know right? I thought it was stupid that Sonic was so happy about seeing his friends again but his friends basically question his mental health as opposed to just going along with their blue friend’s character arc. Sonic’s OG friends were probably the most poorly written characters in the finale even though they barely get any screen time for the entire show

[@tiagocervera5661]

Need i tell You that Sonic wasliterally about to do that he was just about to Say right after prism shaddter before he got interopted

[@frauleinzuckerguss1906]

​@@tiagocervera5661 Cool but the writers literally made up a plot device to interrupt Sonic

[@casualamber]

"don't write urself into a corner" sam: *writes himself into a corner emotionally*

[@NoNamex1412]

Also, i refuse to believe that since this show comes after sonic advance 3, that this sonic is the same sonic we've seen in sa2

[@lwrider10andhisstuff52]

Worst part is if it did took place after advanced 3, then the next arc is shadow facing the black arms which is whole mood change right there

[@toekneemart5597]

I assumed it was around the colors generations era. This sonic feels like that sonic and the existence of characters like orbot and cubot mean that it's certainly not taking place before colors at least

[@GumRobber]

Overall I really enjoyed prime. The character arc sonic went on was a cool change of pace, all hail Shadow he is back again. All these alternate realities of the characters is alright some are great like Nine, Rusty Rose, Dreed, rebel rouge. But I would have liked to see the normal characters. Season 3 I think the first three episodes were good when it comes to pacing but the rest of the big battle in the grim it didn’t need to drag on for 4 episodes but they all had there moments in them. I love that shadow get an interaction with rouge even if it’s not the real rouge. I think the ending is the worst part but here’s how I would do it, keep the fight the same and the last scene plays out the same except Shadow is there and instead of a big shockwave Eggman shows up in a egg mech and that’s it. If I had to choose a spot for this to take place I think after lost world is the best spot for it if it’s canon. Now what I want for the next sonic show (I know the knuckles show is coming out but I mean after that) it would be some of amalgamation of X, Boom, and Prime. Give me a sonic show that has the storytelling from X, the comedy from Boom, and the animation from prime that’s my ideal Sonic show.

[@thesamuraispirit7686]

lol tahts another thing i dont get. Fans are getting so butthurt about wether this is canon or not. IT DOESNT MATTER lol I thought it was a way of references multiple games and also showed the contrast between sonic and tails and sonic and nine. the sonic series doesnt have a canon cause its all over the place

[@3DoublePoint]

Mhm!

[@GoldWristX]

so 3 in 1 your dream series?

[@Xxblade17]

Ngl I didnt mind the season but I understand the hate because it had so much potential

[@ace_7055]

18:56 “Things are looking Grim,” I see what you did there Sam 🗿

[@CastellANM]

If the show were canon it wouldn't make sense for Sonic to ask his friends in Frontiers how "being half ghost" feels He literally became half ghost at the end of Prime istg 💀

[@benluka1811]

IT IS canon

[@CastellANM]

@@benluka1811 yes we all know but it just doesn't fit anywhere 💀

[@benluka1811]

@@CastellANM i know what you mean Sonic feels alot different its hard to See him as Game Sonic

[@BJSolar02]

​@@benluka1811No, it is not. I don't care what Ian Flynn or the show writers say. You can't say the show is canon when it has so many contradictions to said canon. Sam was right. It was a marketing pull

[@surenderreddy8144]

What is canon anymore? The comics are “canon” but that place is just sonic forces land where there are no humans except for eggman and Sonic’s is nothing like his game counterpart past the surface level. “Canon” is just what sega uses to say it’s in line with the brand, not in line with actual, real canonicity

[@twidashfan]

i think the reason why Shadow can see through what Nine is planing,is because Shadow is more observant than Sonic and Sonic is just oblivious to things.

[@MyStellarSpace]

Dude I slept for like 3 episodes of that Nine dimension fight, it felt like I was asleep for hours, when I opened my eyes they were still fighting. The worst thing is that I had sped up the episodes and they still dragged so long

[@boomprower]

Sonic fanbase: Sonic prime is way better than Sonic X. Me: Meth is one hell of a drug.

[@chi-wind8593]

I would like to see a show like Sonic X with improved animation in the future.

[@devthomaskutty]

Sonic x sucked not a fan of the 2d. Only reason people love it is because it's old. Prime is way better.

[@twidashfan]

i agree with Sam,Prime Shadow is the best,i can relate to him too,he is the best version of Shadow,and i like how Shadow was being overprotective of Sonic and wanting to keep Sonic safe and away from Nine,because they both survived getting their home getting destroyed,and Sonic is the last thing Shadow has from their old home left,and he doesn't want another maria situation to happen.

[@goddessyamato5238]

Yea that ain’t shadow at all never once is how he is

[@Lratiobozo]

Shadow needs his own show tbh

[@devthomaskutty]

Yeah in this universe a spin off would've been cool

[@Watchers_Music]

28:57 It's not that 06 erased itself. It was cut off from the rest of the cosmology, but still exists as a splintered timeline.

[@BJSolar02]

Good to find another that found out

[@Endriu192]

It's dumb and breaks already broken sonic lore.

[@thesupermayoreo]

I found out that some of the writers also wrote for My Little Pony. Now I am not gonna say that's bad, but I think other writers who have written Sonic stories like Ian Flynn should have been brought in as the main writers.

[@Hyper_Gogeta]

The last 4 episodes gave me Flashbacks of the "Bleach" manga, only fighting but nothing actually happening.

[@relaxedhoodie7309]

Sum of the season FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT, RESPAWN, FIGHT.

[@AshtonShurtliff]

“Live, Fight, Die. Repeat.”

[@Zylo82]

Season 2 and 3 was plagued with repetition. Thats worst than having to deal with filler episodes. Season 3 had 4 episodes back to back being the exact same. In the end i was so hoping for OG Tails to appear and go 1v1 against Nine and really get through to him..... But no. It never happens and it was such a missed opportunity.

[@infiniteoctopaw]

I'm just happy Shadow is allowed to be cool again.

[@kildaver]

The only AU counterparts that got any interactions of substance and character growth are the Roses.

[@cutepencilcase3170]

Sonic telling shadow he "doesn't have any friends" was stupid cause shadow was trying his best to save HIS FRIENDS the whole time

[@TheDylan0602]

28:14 Ian Flynn said that the Sonic Advance 3 Sprite Animation just for reference but when he said where the timeline took place in the game timeline it really ticked off the fans so he had to fix his tweet to assure that the show is still canon from the 20 years of games and not immediately after Sonic Advance 3

[@Naruku2121]

I feel like that's still a marketing ploy even more so if he had to 'correct' it as to not make people sour on the show even more. I'm speaking for my self on this, but honestly I'd enjoy Prime even more if it wasn't Canon. Sonic's characterization in prime doesn't gel with any era of Game Sonic.

[@AbdulAhad-hx1ft]

@@Naruku2121That’s what I’m saying

[@DmanDmythDlegend]

@@Naruku2121 Honestly yeah I agree, as I kid I always saw Sonic as cool, I don’t see anyway kids today could watch this show and think Sonic is cool, there’s not a lot about this version of Sonic that is cool, he’s more adorkable than anything, Sonic isn’t cool just because he’s fast and fights bad guys, there needs to be something about his personality that makes him seem cool.

[@Naruku2121]

@@DmanDmythDlegend Yeah that's my thoughts. Game Sonic be it Adventure Era throughout to even the Meta Era always had this vibe, he had attitude, sass and sarcastic air to him, but beneath it all he still had a good heart. Prime Sonic seems to be good hearted but without his signature too cool for school attitude. Making him seem like he's just wearing his heart on his sleeve and constantly getting scolded by Shadow like a Child he has to put up with.

[@goddessyamato5238]

@@DmanDmythDlegendyour not a kid so you wouldn’t know

[@etetgg1364]

Season 3 was indeed very exhausting.

[@Aktedya1-jt7vw]

To be fair with Sonic trusting Nine in S3 E3, it seems like it really could've worked judging by Nine's reaction. Nine doesn't necessarily want to hurt anyone, if only because he doesn't care. He just wants to live in his world.

[@ixiahj]

Rouge's plan was hillarious. "The plan failed! Oh no, the plan failed!" Lol.

[@YousefOmar-r3e]

The ghost amy,rouge,knuckles,tails are his real friends but when they put the paradox prism in the right place his friends will turn back to normal

[@phlpcockrell]

The lack of stakes in the finale got to me the most. No matter how many times characters take damage they just keep going. If the characters are invincible who cares how bad they get beat up? They can't lose. The robots can just be rebuilt infinitely so who cares if you blow some up? It's an unstoppable force vs an immovable object. Nine keeps drawing more and more power from the prism and acts like it's hurting him. Holding his head like he's having a migraine, or his chest like he's having a freaking heart attack, so it implies there's a time limit on this. Either nine will run out of power or he'll just die if this goes on too long, but nope. There is no limit it just keeps going. The worlds are all deteriorating, even the one they're on, so there's that time limit again, but NOPE! It's just gonna keep eroding forever. Nine even accelerates the deterioration intentionally in a pyrrhic victory move and it doesn't matter. then eventually looks around like "what have I done?" What was the intended effect of accelerating the world's destruction if not destroying the world? Oh and the robots are implied to be a huge threat. Sonic and shadow had to fight together just to beat one and it took a while (which was a cool fight) then we get to infinity war and even non-combatants like jungle knuckles and Big can easily solo the bots. So are they strong or not? In short the characters can't die or even be beaten, the world can't end no matter how much time they waste, there's just no urgency or consequence to anything so it drags..

[@WanderfromSOTC]

I love the way you express your opinions

[@Diamonddeath]

The ending was somewhat confusing. Was it trying to tell us that the other universes that were created now exist in the multiverse as if Sonic's world is a pocket universe? If so, then the canon changed the cosmology.

[@Sora-tm3tx]

I've never really liked how the way they wrote Sonic's character in this show since season 1.

[@MonkeyGng]

no im pretty sure when sonics friends were laying down and suddenly get back up they actually made a plan that sonic attacking nine would prompt him to divert the prism power keeping the robots active and using it to fight sonic so they could destroy the robots more easily, my guess for why they felt the need to pretend to have lost is to maybe make nine feel like hes in a position where he doesnt need the robots powered still?

[@mehiloll]

They did Sonic Advance 3 so dirty, man. So many people on KZbin have done it way better in just a few days.

[@Axxidous]

Wait... I actually didn't know the ghost versions of his friends weren't really his friends. Cuz I coulda swore they escaped from that ghost form briefly in season 2 and then reverted back.

[@zackblade3856]

For me if I were to pick a team to work on the next Sonic show I would either go Marza because they've made BANGER Sonic CGI animation, or the team behind Dream Team's Intro because it is just too visually stunning to stay an intro

[@jaydeesc2812]

I DREAM of a Sonic 2d animated show on the same level of quality as Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, that directly adapts the IDW comics. Can you IMAGINE what the end of the metal virus saga would look like, fully animated and voiced? Or the Surge fights? Or the Metal Overlord fight? It would be PEAK

[@ChannelPup]

THIS ISN'T YOU, NINE!

[@GumPunk]

I 100% agree about the issues with "its different!" I'd like to add that we haven't really gotten NORMAL yet. Sonic has so much potential by itself. IDW proves that! I just wish we could get Sonic played (mostly) straight! basic premise, Sonic vs Eggman. At least for a season. Lets adapt games again, lets do SOMETHING with this original material. We have to stop shaking things up for the sake of it when this strong baseline hasn't been explored as much as it deserves.

[@boltthelunarian1405]

Well, to tell you this, Ian Flynn has made his tweets on Twitter once Sonic Prime is over, he stated that Sonic Prime takes place some time after Sonic Advance 3(Yes, I said Some time after, not directly after it), but that's not all. He follows up that this also covers Sonic Unleashed and Sonic Colors, given Orbot and Cubot's appearance. Plus, Ian Flynn also said that he's not the one to choose to make Sonic Prime canon, and he was only a Story Consultant for the show itself. Also, the man behind the show(kinda forgot his name) made a clarification about the whole missing episode 8th situation. He stated that Episode 1 in the First Season were supposedly 2 episodes put together in 1 Episode. Also, that cliffhanger ending for Season 3 is always meant Sonic is off to his next adventure.

[@boltthelunarian1405]

But what's done has been done, so we can't do anything about it to change it.

[@lwrider10andhisstuff52]

Again still bad and doesn't make sense, because in unleashed orbot is just a prototype in that game, and after the storybook stuff when it got to colors that's when they showed up fully modeled, so wouldn't it have made better sense to put prime after sonic and the black knight instead of advanced 3, but like you said, "what's done is done." Even though this is still not canon to the original sonic universe and was just a marketing ploy

[@odd-eyesvon]

Y'know what? When the heroes were rescuing the pirates, it made me think of a reverse SatAM situation, where Sonic and Friends are operating FROM Eggman's lair, instead of fighting AGAINST it, and I was really hoping that the season was gonna give us a little more of that. Instead of them fighting for 5 episodes straight, it would've been nice to see them go on missions 3 episodes to gather tools, rescue folks, or scout Nine's tower, all the while having characters reflect on things, before facing off on the second-to-last episode, and then finish the series off with good closure. It's so weird to me that they had the perfect set-up RIGHT THERE, and did nothing with it.

[@JumperTV33]

Kudos to the play by play of the final battle. Was very entertaining and your suffering did not go to waste.

[@JacktheLightningRipper]

I finished up with Season 3 yesterday. Season 1 I really enjoyed but I do agree was lassoed down by a repetitive structure. Season 2 was a lot of fun. Season 3 started out decent but then when we got to Episode 4 it just fell off. I definitely think Sonic Prime is a good show but man did the last few episodes really keep it from being great.

[@RufioTheThird]

I can't believe Sonic in 2024 is already starting off with mid

[@devthomaskutty]

I hope it ends with a masterpiece (sonic 3 movie)

[@RufioTheThird]

@@devthomaskutty Same. Dude, that movie looks excellent

[@NoNamex1412]

I really hoped we saw regular tails interacting with nine, would have been interesting to see someone match nine's wit

[@tk32502]

And see the original Eggman meeting his counterparts the chaos counsel

[@Marv1987]

I just noticed at 20:00. If you look close enough on the Nine's robot army, one robot just straight up disappears to the backrooms.

[@Goomba1309]

I noticed that too. That's gonna be a big ol' yikes from me, chief.

[@kellyalexander4881]

Can you tell where pls 😅

[@SN64YT]

Yeah, robot rouge is no more. 😔 And yes, I had to play it in a slow speed and yes I had to replay it a handful of times just to get the spot the difference realization up to mind, just like the stuff that I had seen in Season 3 but did not really react as serious and hard-core with the criticism stuff as it showed for me afterwards. Maybe just me having the impressions be a bit dumbed down, with sure noticing some stuff with repetition and some off the ball character moments, but I wasn't up towards it compared to other sonic games like frontiers and superstars in a way taking my mental feelings of specific things too serious and objectively with update 3 being a good portion of mid, and superstars I can say the same for the small amount that I played too, and even dream team has the same things with certain things too so I really don't have good expectations due to the mid status that I had seen of sonic recently, and maybe I should stay away from the blue blur for a while, but I did and do still enjoy sonic, even Season 3 at moments, but I feel there is a pattern going with the Sonic franchise with mediocrity in some ways than others in my opinion. :( I know the sonic series is for kids, but I feel that it has something somewhat in common lately with all of the media for sonic that has been stale in the franchise that the developers of sonic media should fix. :) I think I elaborated more on my feelings on the state of the franchise than anything as of lately that can be different from others but that is the way that I preceded it anyways. But I gotta say, robot rouge disappearing is a wild moment in episode "???" of season 3, fight 6. Some fans might be curious what happened to her though. 🤔 I guess we will never know.....

[@trashyCorn.12]

where

[@castome7pi]

18:56 Here what happens is that Nine's robotic army energy gets low for a moment, as Sonic is distracting Nine so he uses all the prism energy, trying to catch him, distracting him and leaving a break to the rest. You can even see the energy reduction and how they get distracted for a moment on their animations

[@austin5019]

Sonic Prime was a way past cool Netflix series, the cast really did a great job voicing the characters and creating their own interpretations of them, the animation was solid, and you were on your toes a lot with the suspense!!!

[@bluephoenix_z3364]

*Cough* cap. *Cough*

[@sonicrunn3r895]

It sucks so bad that every time we get a Sonic show something has to go wrong. SatAM's cancellation, Underground's cancellation (again), Sonic Boom's reputation forever tarnished by a game it was never meant to be tied to. Even if Sonic X and AOSTH didn’t have particular anything crazy wrong, they still had problems. And on paper, Sonic Prime could've FINALLY been great. The animation, the cast, even the premise, but we're once more hit with lost potential in favour of bad writing and merchandise.

[@filipvadas7602]

1. Overall, I thought it was good. But the pacing really was this show's biggest problem alongside the kind of paper thin alternate reality versions of the characters. Also, Sonic losing IQ points in this show got more annoying the longer it went on. The pirate world, No Place, in particular really made me want to blow my brains out. The theme was fun for all of 5 minutes before it got old. And speaking of, they EASILY could have cut 4 episodes worth of content and still had time to spare. 2. Shadow was the best part of the show. Probably the best iteration of him that we've gotten since 06'. 3. I might have been able to forgive the show for most of its faults, if they didn't basically pull the rug out from under us, implying that there's more to come, but apparently that's it.

[@tk32502]

I really wish the spirit of the master emerald appears in no place

[@EternityVoid_]

The animation carries the show in all honestly.

[@FengTheSlayer]

Season 3 felt like the writers don’t know how to progress the plot making it feel like padding half the time especially in a middle of a few episodes

[@magical_pixie_horse7346]

What we had in The Frontiers divergence prequel is what we desperately need!

[@Toastythetroll]

Fight 4 was a plan they made because sonic said they wanted to look like they got beat and that's why they get up like nothing in fight 5

[@tiagocervera5661]

2:41 dude the reason they don't trust Sonic was becuase of dread's líes and they regain thier trust when dread left them for his beuity

[@P._diddy_disciple]

Ian Flinn said that this show takes place some time after Sonic advance 3, and Sonic frontiers. Hence why there is an Advance 3 reference. He also said that if you dont like it, than you can just forget about it.

[@BJSolar02]

Ian is just pulling stuff out of his ass

[@saveourplanet0139]

Yeah, you're right, those fights in season 3 really did drag. 1 fight, I'm like yeah sure, that's cool. 2 fights, okay, I can take it. 8 fights, omg, stop fighting already!

[@MrKing-he3eo]

I loved it. Sure sonic isnt his usual self but he doesnt have to be the exact same in every media. The story was very average too but considering the target audience its not that big of a deal. The voice acting and animation are the high lights of the show.

[@benluka1811]

The Show is Canon to the games

[@Peasham]

​@@benluka1811And Sonic here acts exactly like he did in the meta era, AKA from Colors to Forces.

[@benluka1811]

@@Peasham maybe it Takes place somewhere there

[@benluka1811]

​@@Peashamthen again tails did a Lot more in the First Episode of Sonic Prime than the entirety of colors and forces

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@PeashamNo Way, Prime Sonic is way more Childish and Obnoxious.

[@rufixlegacyproductions2001]

Man screw it. Nobody else is gonna say it so here I go. Sonic Prime should’ve never had a multiverse story line and SHOULD’VE been a Shonen Anime.

[@Kyterfied]

no

[@rufixlegacyproductions2001]

@@Kyterfied shut up

[@Kyterfied]

@@rufixlegacyproductions2001 no

[@RaphielShiraha64]

agreed

[@TheSwordofFlames]

I feel like you missed the point of everyone suddenly getting up before fight #5. The plan was that they were pretending to be beaten so Nine would divert power away from the robots. Just wanted to clear that part up.

[@BlueWolfia]

I agree with everything that was pointed out during the series. It was a huge bumper that the writing did not do the title justice. I loved the animation, fighting scenes, and the voices for the characters. It was well done. The western studios has a habit of trying to see what sells and not give good content in the process. The writers here did put themselves in a corner and really dragged season 3. For the characters, like sonic is not really all there for his personality. The writers here did not really expand sonic's character depth, as he was 'dumbed down a bit'. It was a little off as that reminds me of when knuckles was written in the 2010, sonic boom etc. It seemed like here sonic is the joke and there are refences of what sonic did from past games to make it funny. For an example, sonic falling from the sky and not landing on his two feet. We can compare that to black knight. I do appreciated that shadow's personality is actually on point, not a 100%, but there is an improvement. I did wanted to see more from shadow, but yet like Sam mentions, "We don't see a lot from shadow during the first season". There was not enough interactions from shadow in season 3 either. Which was disappointing. I related more to shadow as he tried to reason with sonic, those parts were annoying, but yet it was funny to see shadow's face as he is "getting frustrated with the writing". Shadow's face was my face, while watching those parts. I do not think this series is canon either. It seemed off when the sprite animation was portraying advance 3. There are some evidence from Ian Flynn in Twitter that Sonic Prime is after Sonic Advance 3. He also mentions that it covers Unleashed and colors, which did not make sense to me. Sonic X is not canon now, but it was lining up with the advance series. Sonic advance 3 was released June 7th 2004, while Sonic X season 3 was released September 10th 2005. At that time the writers were also connecting the sonic x comics to the show and the games. I do not know what happened at the end of sonic advance 3, but this is not a coincidence.

[@SpeederLight]

So even though I havent seen the 3rd season yet, from clips and from what I heard I wish they keeped this season in the oven for like 6 more months because it clearly needed more time. But once I watch it ill come back to this comment lol. Keep up the amazing work and thanks for all of what you do homie! :)

[@abigailhedderly4978]

I don’t think that we should hate on a Sonic TV show for trying something new because change is something that Sonic fans don’t think they want but if Sonic the hedgehog never changes then it’s just the same thing over and over again. Which is something that Sonic prime did; it dragged on too long but it did something different than the other Sonic shows and I give it a lot of respect for that. I personally had a lot of fun with the show! Yes it had MANY issues, mostly the pacing of it. But the characters were fine for what they were and the story brought a lot of interesting ideas and the animation is just beautiful! I would watch this show again just to see the animation; I love it so much. But it was very very dragged out unfortunately. And we needed more Shadow. I truly believe that if Shadow was with Sonic for the entirety of the show it would’ve saved it because everyone loved the dynamic between them and Shadow’s character is the best it’s been in years. But those are just my thoughts. I want to be as clear as possible that this show is FAR from perfect; very far, but it’s also not the worst Sonic show we’ve gotten. So credit where it’s due.

[@szszabolcs9582]

12:33 because he knows The only thing Nine wants is Sonic Not the chaos and the end of the World JUST SONIC'S PRISM ENERGY

[@ashterrifictales7317]

Only good thing about S3 is that we got more Shadow! I admit I was super confused when Sonic teleported back to New Yolk. I thought basically each time he found a shard, he took it with him in a sense that it was now back in Green Hill. So he had to continue looking for each shard in the new universes until he collected them all. Shadow telling Sonic to keep going all the time really made it feel like it was the goal to find the shard in each universe until he had found and touched them all, resulting in the shard going back to its original location and that universe no longer existing. The amount of times that EVERYONE kept telling Sonic not to trust Nine really made it super predictable that Nine was going to betray him… And then S3 just DRAGGED! Like, bro! I’m rewatching the same episode over and over! Can we just get to the end? Plus, THAT’S ALL WE GOT FOR THE END!? Sonic now changing the circumstances to NOT shatter the prism and then Shadow teleports it away? Where? What happened to Shadow and the prism!? What was that blast at the end? Give us at least another episode with Sonic FINALLY with all of his OG friends and at least letting us know what happened to the rest of the shatter verse and Shadow!

[@divineeternity7268]

Sam I think you're craving some Sonic Boom. It's laid back, fun and adventurous at the same time. I feel like they did drag the fights in the final season but I enjoyed the comedy moments. As far as the alternate characters from the multiple universes it would definitely benefit the video games that come out because we would have multiple choices of who we want to use plus that character's unique skill set. This isn't me disagreeing with you though.