"I'm not really advocating private roads or whatever." Now, let me advocate for the complete privatization of roadways.
@summertime694 жыл бұрын
If you're against public roads, and not advocating for private roads, then you're asking for no roads. That last part tends to escape libertarians
@matthewcaldwell81003 жыл бұрын
@L That's half true. Jet packs would exist. But only 3 rich assholes would have them.
@mrsax137 жыл бұрын
He's been saving up for over a year to unleash his whole arsenal of libertarian talking points on you, Sam. And this isn't even his final form! It's over 9,000!!!!!!
@DavidHeffron787 жыл бұрын
I saw “libertarian” and my heart soared. I was not disappointed.
@summertime694 жыл бұрын
I agree, let's end government subsidies to Walmart, by forcing them to pay their employees enough to not need EBT and housing assistance.
@ThisPageStaysREAL7 жыл бұрын
Man I've been waiting for a fresh one of these. These libertarian deconstructions are my favorite Seder videos.
@nosuchthing83 жыл бұрын
Its hard to believe anyone would make these libertarian calls
@owelofminerva5 жыл бұрын
I REMEMBER THIS DUDE, he was the one that sounded like a 12 year old Libertarian Noam Chomsky.
@jewsco3 жыл бұрын
He sounds like a 12 year old comic book guy from the Simpson’s
@havit945 жыл бұрын
I actually like this guy, he seems so innocent when he's getting the piss taken out of him.
@justinmack63517 жыл бұрын
Sam, you cant beat libertardians over the head with logic and reason because they are already da best at logix according to themselves.
@danheuser51484 жыл бұрын
Some classic Michael Brooks comedy in this one. It gave me a good laugh. He will be missed.
@blistu4 жыл бұрын
We have a system in my town where the home owner is responsible for a percent of road repair in front of their home. The city does all the maintenance its just replacement that has a bill. No one wants to pay it so they go to city hall and protest. The result is terrible roads.
@Toywins Жыл бұрын
And there goes libertarianism up in flames! 😂😂😂
@nilkonom9 ай бұрын
@@Toywins forcing people to finance (repairs for) public goods failed? its over for libertarianism
@TheEvolver311 Жыл бұрын
He got off the phone, returned to his bed room, stared at the cover of his copy of the Fountainhead and told himself "the answer must be in here somewhere""
@alexjav217 жыл бұрын
This guys isn't a _real_ libertarian.
@airthrow7 жыл бұрын
alexjav21 well played, that always works!
@matthewcaldwell81003 жыл бұрын
Michael's groan in the beginning off-air is my entire mood when someone goes out of their way to mention they're a libertarian.
@bobdog907 жыл бұрын
It seems to me the approach to this call was amplify the kid's point, which was that tolls should be more based on weight or perhaps profitability of the roadway use, then argue against complete redaction of federal subsidies. I'm not a libertarian by any means, but at least abide by your the logical standards to which you hold others.
@Starcrash69847 жыл бұрын
The very last thing "the kid" said was an argument for "complete redaction of federal subsidies", which is why it's clearly not attacking a straw man (which is what you're implying, even if you didn't explicitly state "the logical standards), but consider: the main problem was that "the kid's point" was muddled... it's hard not to attack a straw man when your target is blurry. Before arguing that "tolls should be more based on weight", it was that public roads should be left to rot in order to take out public subsides and Walmart's business "with one stone." Then it was that Walmart should pay for roads (no plan given for how to do that), then it was that the vehicles that destroy the roads the most should pay for them (plan of "tolls based on weight" proposed by Sam Seder, not "the kid"). It was a moving target, which is why Sam Seder's argument was also pretty fluid.
@wvu055 жыл бұрын
@@Starcrash6984 That, and trucks actually do have to pay more in tolls. Not by weight, but by the number of axles.
@markadams80417 жыл бұрын
The original advocates for road building were bicycle riders. In 1890s everybody was riding bikes. There is identifiable culture called car culture. Lewis Mumford writes well about it. Please respect the overarching ideology as it is very much related to the category IV & V hurricanes that we are experiencing today. Car culture has also torn apart our cities and helped create the phenomenon of white flight.
@unknown-hf3jg6 жыл бұрын
He makes a valid point about road tolls being based on a user pays system even though it would hurt the poor. However he's clearly wrong on transportation and sam called him out. I wish that the other commentators would stop interjecting because this kid was at least open to learning.
@koukkoufos20007 жыл бұрын
As a Social Democrat (Progressive lol) the only thing I disagree with them is Economics basically anything that has to do with money and discrimination laws lol
@jacquesfrancois2033 Жыл бұрын
I applaud this young guy, he's figuring out his politics, and it takes courage to call into a show like this. Sam is definitely a little arrogant but from his point of view it's justified. I think this guy thought a lot from this.
@hairbruh4915 Жыл бұрын
what if i told you hes 27
@jayburdification7 жыл бұрын
Still undefeated vs. Libertarians. It's not even fair, they have the harder argument. Actually make that the impossible argument.
@lindaleelaw52774 жыл бұрын
I ride the bus in Denver and ridership is declining . Even with a full bus, the costs aren't covered. So how , without price gouging should I pay, my share ?
@TheJonnyEnglish7 жыл бұрын
Been a while since a libertarian called in. Doesn't disappoint
@bigdaddygoon8283 жыл бұрын
If the government don't print money there is no money and if there is not money then there no money to tax taxpayer with it's really not about who has the money in their hands it's about whose names on the money and who names on the money a government official multiple
@loydwebber54567 жыл бұрын
The government should limit itself to things like building and maintaining roads and other infrastructure, and preventing theft, force, and fraud. That way it does not descend into things like the persecutions in the guise of services, such as those I detail in jpst.it/HVdZ .
@stoneybologna19825 жыл бұрын
Destitute and free
@jonathanwpressman3 жыл бұрын
Gold
@James-ye7rp7 жыл бұрын
Jet Packs
@arniepye7 жыл бұрын
Lol this is obviously a kid, I feel bad for him, as he clearly hasn't developed the capacity to think this through.
@pshaw84063 жыл бұрын
I'm all for Walmart putting more into infrastructure.
@TrashHeapCustodian5 жыл бұрын
All other factors aside, the thing Libertarians who advocate for tolls on all roads to fund them never ever seem to bring up, talk about, or even realize, is how entirely fucked the traffic situation would be if every road had tollbooths, lmao
@Darkersneasel3 жыл бұрын
The better case scenarios I can think of up in my head is that multiple companies in the same town own the roads and you'd have to pay a monthly pass at best to navigate around. Not to mention that if you actually want to leave town that could become cumbersome. It would essentially make for a few urban areas and very few farms/rural areas.
@SuperToughnut7 жыл бұрын
I suppose that as long as every human being thinks the same way, without mental illness, and we all are working toward the same goal, we can play paddy cakes on a warm summer afternoon and play "I-Got-Mine-You-Get-Yours".
@ericbilodeau85265 жыл бұрын
This cant be a real caller. How is he smart enough to say weight/damage are exp. related but gas-tax/weight are linearly related which shifts a disproportionate amount of the tax burden on lighter vehicles, but the dumb enough to want to get rid of public roads to get rid of walmart?
@primal92382 жыл бұрын
Normally I enjoy the laughter in the background... but this is just a kid. Laughing at his ignorance is counter productive. Consider it a teaching experience rather than just mock him. He's still young enough to get away from these ideas.
@AR-jt2ux5 жыл бұрын
How about we make walmart pay their employees first.
@danieljckson7 жыл бұрын
Love Sam, one of the smartest people I've tried to learn from, but I cant stand Michael... sorry but he's easily one of the most obnoxiously arrogant people on the planet. I could care less if you are as smart as Tesla (screw Einstein, he aint got nothing on Tesla ;p ) no one should ever act like he does.
@Fangtorn7 жыл бұрын
I love Michael. I don't get an arrogant vibe from him at all. I don't think he's as patient as Sam when it comes to nonsense, but he's just as confident in his argumentation. I love his impersonations.
@MMAGamblingTips7 жыл бұрын
danieljckson if Michael and the rest of the peanut gallery should go the way of Ringling brothers
@scottpastry7 жыл бұрын
*Couldn't. I couldn't care less.
@alexsala14166 жыл бұрын
Spoken like the Russian troll you are.
@lilmsgs5 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on libertarianism, Sam. You're wrong about Sam Harris, though. You strawman his views.
@allenmizelle4435 жыл бұрын
This is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. The company that you pay to ship your letter would pay to use the highway. The cost of shipping your item would include the cost of using the road. What doesn’t make sense here?
@cookiecola58522 жыл бұрын
Hilarious how Sam and Co can barley hold themself from laughing themselfs to death Just when caller reveal his politics
@bandog13614 жыл бұрын
Lmao, the Peter Thiel impression
@mcfishyfirst2537 жыл бұрын
We pay for low prices
@Backhand774 жыл бұрын
Clearly, the libertarian won this round. Better luck next time sam.
@Walter-mc8uo4 жыл бұрын
gas tax gas tax gas tax
@CakeHebenstreit7 жыл бұрын
Don't really like the making fun of this kid.
@DavidHeffron786 жыл бұрын
He started it!
@eblackwell6 жыл бұрын
Stop playing stupid to ridicule a caller and have everyone laugh at him. Especially as you know his system exists with charging tolls by axles.
@Questchaun6 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ
@s4njuro4627 жыл бұрын
I love how Sam's face immediately perks up when he hears that the kid wants to debate LOL
@adamb12297 жыл бұрын
Like a kid in a candy shop, i noticed that too. Immediately made me chuckle. Same look Larry Bird or MJ would give a rookie before ruining their life
@cnferguson56 жыл бұрын
Michael just has no patience for Libertarians anymore he just starts laughing as soon as they start sounding dumb as opposed to before he would wait until late into the calls to start laughing
@wvu055 жыл бұрын
Well, can you imagine how many of those he's been on the other end of? I am honestly amazed at how patient Sam is with these people.
@OurEyesAreYetToOpen4 жыл бұрын
I think he got a hernia from "Weight-based tolls."
@willdenham2 жыл бұрын
I listened twice, not sure what the caller is driving at as far as being against taxation. He wants just corporations to pay for roads?
@adamjoseph61325 ай бұрын
i'm with you lol. this kid sounded way less libertarian-y than most of the kooks who call in to debate. it seemed more like he just hated corporations and wanted to destroy them all (props lol) - not realizing the short-sightedness of his plan. he definitely seemed to be on the right path, though. @@willdenham
@mpgallogly4 жыл бұрын
Make Wal-Mart pay for the roads??It seems like this guy is arguing for a higher corporate tax right.
@tianamaycry4 жыл бұрын
No tax, only pay.
@georgegillespie37372 жыл бұрын
Our roads are supposed to be funded by gas taxes, so technically Walmart does contribute to our infrastructure.
@willdenham2 жыл бұрын
@@georgegillespie3737 How is that walmart 'contributing'?
@georgegillespie37372 жыл бұрын
@@willdenham Walmart Trucks pay federal excise taxes on diesel.
@willdenham2 жыл бұрын
@@georgegillespie3737 Like any other trucking line would and anyone else driving on deisel.
@IncognitoSprax7 жыл бұрын
He's definitely under the age of 20 but it seems like he means well. He's arguing against monopolies like Walmart but his solution - well, he's been spoonfed Libertarian sauce. It's okay because I was briefly there at one point.
@emmademontford31844 жыл бұрын
Sprax guarantee this kid is a full blown liberal in the next 5 years
@bigraviolees7 жыл бұрын
LIBERTARIANS, republicans with xtra cheese
@alejandrobetancourt49027 жыл бұрын
"Where you gonna get your jetpack?"
@James-ye7rp7 жыл бұрын
Just spit-balling here; how about taxing the Walmarts of the world appropriately in order to cover these expenses?
@Darkersneasel3 жыл бұрын
Nah! Actually addressing the real issues is against libertarianism! You have to throw the baby out with the bath water!
@philesq95953 жыл бұрын
Oh, where's the fun in that?
@blubberman9112 жыл бұрын
that's the funny part if you tax Walmart that's against Libertarian ideology which is Anti-Tax and against government doing anything
@UberNeuman7 жыл бұрын
Libertarian logic. The finest reasoning skills a 5 year old can muster.
@Useyno7 жыл бұрын
UberNeuman lol this seems so ridiculous that it almost seem staged.I think this dude have called into this show in the past. Libertarians like him are usually off Springs of middle class conservative backgrounds.
@NuclearSharpShooter7 жыл бұрын
UberNeuman they have a million individual reasons for why libertarianism is awesome, and no matter how many times each argument is shot down one by one, they fail to see that libertarianism provides no coherent societal function.
@Joeyboots807 жыл бұрын
With all these bobblehead libertarians around, it seems Ayn Rand is still trolling us beyond the grave. Robble Robble!
@nmarbletoe82107 жыл бұрын
Libertarianism, like liberalism and conservatism, sucks rocks through tiny straws. Fact is, no "pure" philosophy works well enough to run a lemonade stand. So let's stop straw-manning all of these philosophies, and get real.
@sabin976 жыл бұрын
probably thinks tolls are "free market", and probably thinks you have a meaningful choice of roads.....
@zspark14gamesnquips223 жыл бұрын
"I'd rather arbitrate and litigate thousands of instances of the same thing rather than just creating a law."
@businessgoose60577 жыл бұрын
Lol! Buses are gonna cost $8 in this kid's world. Ps I LIVE for the background laughing!!
@jebus5713 жыл бұрын
This kid has a bright future in weight-based toll economics.
@zombi3lif3 Жыл бұрын
😂
@ArchlordZer07 жыл бұрын
This guy has to be a troll. I mean, come on!
@seanwjones076 жыл бұрын
I imagine this is how all trolls truly sound from the web lol
@Eyoballin6 жыл бұрын
lol he just sounded young and misinformed. i wouldnt be surprised if he were only like 15 or 16
@nojustusnopizzarolls34677 жыл бұрын
15 hours in and I'm the first to use the "Ah, the old who will build the roads" quip from the 2016 libertarian primary debate? Shame, shame on all of you!
@Litkovian236 жыл бұрын
6:00 that “weight based tolls” has me dying 😭
@leonscott5434 жыл бұрын
Libertarianism is short for I only care about myself in all scenarios
7 жыл бұрын
Libertarianism is metaphysical nonsense.
@eddiemaxblack7 жыл бұрын
All of this is academic. If ever applied it'd be a complete disaster.
@gopeace47977 жыл бұрын
Let's start where we can agree: stop military intervention all over the world, reduce military funding, end the militarization of the police. We can share the cost of the roads.
@darrenwallace61615 жыл бұрын
Walmart is free to build a road any time they want.
@doratheexploder2867 жыл бұрын
How any adult can continue to play around with libertarian ideas is baffling. You would be hard pressed to make it work in a small community 200 years ago, never mind the highly tech-based society we live in now.
@ohreallyeliza7 жыл бұрын
MB as Peter Theil "Are you Greg's son?" Caller: "who?" Me: #DEAD
@marie-laure.7 жыл бұрын
Feeling terrible laughing whilst watching you maintaining a really nice and decent composure 😂😈👏👏👏 I need lessons 😈😇
@jessecool86236 жыл бұрын
Sam your level of patience is truly commendable!
@papasNbeer183 жыл бұрын
Micheal brooks laugh is the greatest! RIP homeboy!
@zach-rac2 жыл бұрын
God, letting MB 'end' the segment was an amazing choice... Him yelling about blood in his "Peter" voice always makes me loose my shit - it's never not funny. xDDD
@naqwnaqw37125 жыл бұрын
Those laughs in the background lol
@mikalsolomon21316 жыл бұрын
Oh my God are you guys for real, I love you guys, I even love the way you guys laugh. I just start laughing listening to you laughs.
@cloudatlas3493 жыл бұрын
"Local roads are kinda easily affordable..." I bet this guy's never seen a road built before.
@BaronVonQuiply4 жыл бұрын
Two Birds, One Jetpack.
@sebastianholzl46683 жыл бұрын
"Can we at least agree about the federal government after all my arguments have been terrible and we both know it?"
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube7 жыл бұрын
We could also destroy the earth with a giant space laser and that would also get rid of Walmart!
@Kropothead3 жыл бұрын
I mean… cooler than what we’re doing now.
@concernedcitizen63136 жыл бұрын
The caller is obviously ignorant, but the mockery was unnecessary, and there were several avenues of argument Sam could've taken along the way to get the kid to look at the bigger picture. For one, when the kid says, "The highways are already here," the obvious question is, how did they get here? Could they have possibly been built in his libertarian fantasy? If not, then isn't a sociopolitical philosophy supposed to stand on its own? If it can't, and it must rely instead on a pre-existing system of taxation, subsidies, etc., then isn't that problematic? The constant laughing in the background is probably not conducive to getting him to think more on these issues, though. But maturity from the MR is a little too much to ask for -- as exemplified by the bullshit attack on Jimmy Dore for, what, nothing? Were they trying to portray him as a libertarian? That makes no sense. This stupid fucking fued is entirely one-sided and demonstrates an arrogance that only Sam, Michael, and company could present while thinking they're intellectual liberals trying to make the world a better place. Even when they, soft of, defended him recently against CNN, they couldn't help maligning him. Fucking ludicrous. I keep trying to like Sam, and I often find his debates with libertarians amusing and even informative at times, but this was just ridiculous.
@pauldhillon66353 жыл бұрын
"Weight based tolls" is the greatest MR caller line ever
@PR--un4ub3 жыл бұрын
HO-ASS TOLLS!
@apuckingfanda7094 жыл бұрын
I feel like they are beating up on someone who may have “challenges” too much
@AramaiJonassi7 жыл бұрын
OMG! This was the best call ever! You ended it just before it all popped off!🙉
@humanwithaplaylist Жыл бұрын
He sounds like an actual child this one. Sounds like he's just grown up fairly well off and has no idea how literally anything works.
@nopeteys24245 жыл бұрын
Who is that chick cackling in the background? Jesus she’s annoying
@nosuchthing83 жыл бұрын
This caller is kind of a super genius at being a knucklehead
@bobdog907 жыл бұрын
I love Sam, but the peanut gallery laughing at a free-thinking child is a bit unnerving. Some douchebags deserve it, but this kid seemed genuinely open and was still laughed at.
@NightfallGemini7 жыл бұрын
This isn't this kid's first rodeo. Cutting a bert slack after they actively haven't figured it out after years is foolish.
@justinmack63517 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with you on this one. But sometimes its hard to tell the difference between an easily influenced teenager who may be a little misplaced VS the actual uninformed toxic shit-bag libertarians who are committed to the cause in the face of overwhelming reason
@chukwudiilozue91717 жыл бұрын
In a year his best argument was eliminating the highway system. That isn't funny.
@MMAGamblingTips7 жыл бұрын
Ben, Just Ben I think he's much older than you think...and he's called in for the SECOND time and is giving a worse argument than before. But yea..Brooks is not as funny as he thinks he is.
@atheistmecca7 жыл бұрын
His ideas deserve to be mocked.
@gorillaguerillaDK7 жыл бұрын
Please, make it so we don't hear people laughing of him in the background! He is trying to make a sound argument, (but failing hard)! And the "is Greg you father" part was completely unnecessary! - By the way, did you know that in towns with less than 35.000-40.000 people and a local public transport system, it often would be cheaper for the town to make it free than it is to charge passengers to fund it, (due to the cost of administration)
@BaronVonQuiply6 жыл бұрын
I don't have to point out that Walmart would just demand the local government pay for the roads or they'll "create jobs" elsewhere, do I?
@mrddcass65403 жыл бұрын
Yea, let's all take backroads for now on.
@elsiegel847 жыл бұрын
Truth is federal "tax money" doesn't "go to" anything - it is zeroed out on the government's balance sheet. The federal government does not tax to spend, it spends to tax.
@MrMasterDebate7 жыл бұрын
Isn't this the kid that called in ? The one who legitimately just talked endlessly???
@Reznor19832 жыл бұрын
Weight based tolls
@shadowsnake3803 жыл бұрын
I miss Michael so much.
@RealJackHQ6 жыл бұрын
There’s a Utica in Michigan too, so I got confused with Sam’s example. Sorry about the smart alecky humor. 😂
@MrMasterDebate7 жыл бұрын
Isn't this the kid that called in ? The one who legitimately just talked endlessly???
@steelersguy746 жыл бұрын
There’s a difference between the federal highway system that has existed for decades and roads that are built specifically for Walmart with tax dollars. I get the original argument the caller is making but he seems to get lost early on.
@willdenham2 жыл бұрын
God I miss Michael. What a joy he was.
@Liv_OW7 жыл бұрын
You should debate Ben Shapiro!
@SpoopySquid7 жыл бұрын
Why do all the libertarians who phone in sound like they've only just graduated high school?
@fogandwhirlwind4 жыл бұрын
Why are we talking about defunding the police in 2020? This guy is right, DEFUND ROADS!
@AndiDuck7 жыл бұрын
Any cost will always get passed back onto the consumers ---
@ck1011Original5 ай бұрын
This makes way more sense when you realize that this kid's argument is hinged on the assumption that Sam hates Walmart. He thinks Sam would take any action if it would destroy Walmart. Like Walmart kicked his dog or something...
@darkeimp5555 жыл бұрын
So according to this kid he'd rather have us pay bit by bit throughout each day for every little thing we use. Turn on a light, get charged, turn on the tap water, get charged, get on the bus, get charged an ASTRONOMICAL fee because we'd be covering the bus's maintenance fees, gas, insurance, AND its extra weight toll, the driver's and all the other company employees' wages, PLUS a little extra to make it profitable for the company who owns it, or if we have our own car we'd be running up a toll for the entire time we're driving around which we'd have to pay out to each company who owns each section of road we'd drive on - which would be a nightmare if you wanted to drive across state let alone the country -so he'd rather have us manually go through all these little micro transactions EVERY. DAY. than to just pay a bit of tax passively from our paychecks or whatever each month to have all that shit taken care of without us worrying about it. I just don't think these people understand how much privatizing our society would get in the way of everything we'd want to do. And he has a LOT of faith in these companies who don't even follow through with the bare minimum they're required to do now to believe that if they were in charge of paying for roads and road maintenance that they'd ACTUALLY pay for it. If they even did they'd cut as many corners as possible and we'd have the worst, crumbling, dangerous roads in the world.