Samsung Expert RAW VS Pro Mode - Edit Photos in Lightroom

[@toneblanco880]

Pro Mode has like 2x the detail. Expert RAW suffers from Samsung's processing.

[@sbrader97]

I used expert raw recently and i found it had way less detail than stock camera app auto mode it has sometimes came out better than stock app in the past but i feel like updates might have made expert raw worse

[@zenova-pump]

How will you denoise Pro mode RAW? DXO Photolab doesn't apply this photos. And Lightroom can't provide good result. At least it is not better than Samsung processing. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Silent.killer_007]

@@zenova-pump Topaz denoise ai is the best for smartphone denoise as of now

[@franki8469]

@@sbrader97 Stock camera auto mode uses a lot of processing, sharpening and over-saturate the image that's why it may seem to have more detail but it really doesn't.

[@streakurt]

​@@sbrader97 i noticed same thing and tested it some text on wall, paper or anything. Stock jpeg had better claritiy but whenever you put expert raw's raw picture into the lightroom and edit them then it increase details in somehow. Worth to try it and see it.

[@bunyaadi]

I think in some cases you need to also use glass filters as the white balance is basically arbitary in raw mode and the EV is not set. Some processing is better left turned off.

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey! Thanks for the comments. I got to admit I only adjust the shutter speed and ISO for the exposure, I never touched the EV (I don't quite know what it does..). I'll look up on that 👀 thanks!

[@bunyaadi]

@@JustRomainYT EV is the exposure value. Usually in 1/3,1/2 and1 step increments. So like the arperture of a lens when it doubles or halves the amount of light the camera can capture. Far as I understand due to the size of these photo sensors the actual physical changes do nothing on a mobile phone, so computation is used to emulate it. ISO is best left at a low value or auto unless the scene is very dark in my opinion. I was watching the video you done with the LIghtroom colour correction/grading which I find can be quite tricky unless you know your viewing platfrom is calibrated. Keep up the good work.

[@MexximusUK]

My main photography on this will be a bit of astrophotography and digiscoping on a telescope. The expert raw files can't be read on my astrophotography software so it's good to hear Pro mode has got better with raws! Raws mostly unusable on my S21 Ultra

[@pav1u]

You can change the file type, no one explores anything and want everything done, for that, buy iphone

[@quintbottolfsen5817]

I didn't notice you use the Masking feature in Lightroom. Did I miss that, or was it not used?

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey there ! Yes I did use the masking feature for at least 2 photos to either make some adjustments on the subject or make some adjustments on what's around the subject

[@EditorHeart]

*Impressive Stuff 👏 👌*

[@domingogomez9802]

By any chance do you jbkw why the raw files from the expert raw app are so dark when you look at the files from the gallery?

[@JustRomainYT]

The raw are dark because of the way I set the ISO and shutter speed. It's preferable to not bump the ISO too high, and recover the luminosity in post instead🙂

[@renaldoaggrey7060]

Brilliant video really enjoyed it

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey there thank you for the comment and for the support 🙏

[@Pe11ePD]

"The sky was washed out". Next time slightly under-exposure the image so the sky is not "washed out", and you will more easily recover the shadows, as S23 Ultra sensor handles it very well. Highlights, not so much.

[@JustRomainYT]

That's a very good idea I thought about that afterwards but well I was already back to the studio so I had to deal with it. But I mainly wanted to see the difference between ExpertRaw and Pro Mode's standard Raw file using the same settings and see how different it would be when it comes to editing.

[@kedralive]

So pro mode is better? just take a photo so that it is not too overexposed? it seems to me that it is easier to squeeze details out of shadows than from lights.

[@Pe11ePD]

​@kedralive yes, better if you plan to edit them in Adobe Lightroom or similar. Pro mode shoots RAW format which contain a lot more exposure information, so you can pull out the ahadows or reduce the highlights. You can't do that with JPEG. Expert RAW shoots RAW too, but it immidiatelly process it in the phone, so you'll get some strange processed image, sometimes with compression artifacts, over sharpening (you can see it on power lines, etc). Pro mode gives you freedom like you own a dSLR camera. I also use Topaz Photo AI to get rid of the noise if theres any, as S23 Ultra sensor is not that great, it produces solid noise above ISO 100, and even at ISO 50 if you pull out the shadows.

[@gueck77]

Very helpful ❤

[@ИванИванов-я9ы8н]

Expert raw is for housewives like ProRAW on iphone. Real raw from pro mode is the way

[@JustRomainYT]

Agree on that 😂 I haven't used ExpertRaw ever since just the fact that even when rising up the shutter speed I can't capture a moving subject at the moment I press the shutter is turn off. I don't see a dramatic benefit from editing ExpertRaw files either

[@ИванИванов-я9ы8н]

@@JustRomainYT perhaps it has its use cases at night but other than that yeah, expert raw sucks

[@fash2314]

i also have s21 ultra and expert raw's live view is totally off in my mobile. I adjust the settings then captures the image but when picture is saved, it is totally different from what i see on live view screen. then I have to ignore the live view and based on last picture, i change my settings. you also do the same?

[@JustRomainYT]

Yes it happens to me as as well, but what we see is the adjustment according to the AI in Expert Raw. But if we open the photo in Lightroom (for example), normally you'll see the photo with the way you've adjusted the settings. I think they do that to show a more flattering result one could get by tweaking the settings.

[@fash2314]

@@JustRomainYT yes you are right. by the way, it is bit off topic but do you have any experience with filmic pro in s21 ultra? if yes, is it worth buying the app? i am going on weekend trip with carry on bag only, i don't want to carry my cameras on this trip, i am planning to buy filmic pro so i can make videos and brolls with gimbal.

[@robertceron9056]

@@fash2314 Have you heard of motion cam pro? theres some ways to get more on their discord (expoiting a bug lets you do 50 to 60 fps video ), 4k 12bit lossless DNXHR, only downside is work flow is heavy on storage, rendering, and no raw for telephoto camera as of yet unlike the filmic pro.

[@NagatoKamiPain]

that is strange, that moving car seems look more detailed on tire rims... am I missing something? or PRO mode because its faster then expert raw?

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey there ! It's been a while since I edited those photos but I don't recall seeing a significant difference in terms of details even on the tire rims. But Expert Raw was definitely slower than Pro Mode for fast moving subjects. Pro Mode just snaps the photo instantaneously just like any mirrorless camera would. Expert Raw would take more time because it is snapping several photos before compiling them altogether. It can be frustrating

[@xGrochuu]

Very helpful video, thanks!

[@JustRomainYT]

Thank you for watching and for the comment!

[@richielovy5254]

Something is wrong with his expert raw because the pro mode has never outshine expert raw before. Expert raw has a lot more details and this guy might be the only person who comes up with such poor result of raw.

[@Dicktopus]

It's not even a real raw dude. It's a shitty jpg in dng container.

[@aboynamedkuno]

Expert raw is so much better, it's not even close

[@michaelvasek3974]

Automatic in camera use AI and high compression and that's why photo lost too many details. Expert RAW just not using AI for improve image and just do basic adjustments and save image in 100% quality. The best is save photo from PRO MODE from DNG raw file. Because even "Expert RAW" is not saving raw files, only JPEG

[@JustRomainYT]

Hello ! Thanks for watching I appreciate 🙏 There might be a confusion. In the video I'm comparing Pro Mode and Expert RAW and not "Photo" from the Samsung camera app. Before Expert Raw Samsung phones were already able to generate Raw photos via the "Pro Mode" (which corresponds to "Manual" mode in other phone manufacturers) So all the photos in this video were all edited from their raw files (.dng) and I used the same settings as for the shutter speed, iso and white balance manually. I didn't rely on the "auto" at all. Pro Mode doesn't apply any AI unless everything is set to "Auto". We just decide manually how we want to set the shutter speed, ISO, focus and white balance, just like with Expert Raw 🙂 The difference is that Expert RAW generates a .dng file that compiles several photos at different exposure, increasing, therefore the dynamic range. It's also noticeably slower to take a shot probably because the dng.files generated combines several photos at different exposure while Pro Mode just takes one photo at its "raw" state.

[@michaelvasek3974]

@@JustRomainYT seems me about goat and you about car 😀😀😀

[@michaelvasek3974]

@@JustRomainYT again - if you use camera app, it uses ai for improve photos and files are small in jpeg,...if you use expert raw app - it just denoise photo from color/noise and photos have larger size and more details. But - if you use pro mode in camera and enable raw/dng, you can improve photos better than what Expert raw do. Expert raw is for people who just want better quality for take photos, but no more editing in PSX & etc 😉

[@JustRomainYT]

@@michaelvasek3974 We are on the same page🙂As I said in the video, the difference is barely noticeable in most scenarios when editing with the DNG files from both Pro Mode and Expert Raw. Where I join you is that, the JPG that the ExpertRaw generates along with the DNG, does look better than the JPG files generated along with the DNG files when using Pro Mode

[@michaelvasek3974]

@@JustRomainYT yep because in camera is everywhere enabled AI post-processing except RAW file. As I said on reddit - they can put large size jpeg/non AI post-processed as option in camera app setting and that moment is expert raw unnecessary:)

[@riowinaryo18_86]

No astrophotography? 👎

[@mralexlex]

Playing with curves and then you pop up contrast slider!!!??? Why?? Dont ever use contrast slider... Learn editing!

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey there! Thanks for the advice 🙂

[@bobend9275]

Camera raw looks crap

[@digitalx3136]

Then you are clueless

[@bobend9275]

@@digitalx3136 it's not real raw

[@digitalx3136]

@@bobend9275 its very close to "real raw" ....pro photo mode was junk....that app at least is completely different

[@bobend9275]

@@digitalx3136 it's not bad on Landscapes but crap on portraits

[@Kjhd9987hy]

so with expert raw can we print 16x24 or is that asking too much from this smart phone?

[@JustRomainYT]

Hey there ! Well I'll be honest, even if it was possible I would recommend to use a mirrorless camera or a DSLR if you're planning to print pictures. Mobile photography is great for social media to some extent, but no matter how many MP they claim, it's still just mobile photography at the end of the day. But it's fun ✌️ Thanks for watching 🙏

[@Kjhd9987hy]

i would say the last edit of your dog it seems the photo had a purple hue to it over all.

[@JustRomainYT]

There's indeed something going on with the colors when using Raw from the stock camera and the Expert Raw file. But that was to be expected since Expert Raw is compiling multiple photos at different exposure before stacking them all together in a editable file as opposed to the other app who is just taking a raw picture, no AI whatsoever, just a raw file to tweak after. Thanks for watching 🙏

[@inc06nito]

Lookd like crap

[@Dicktopus]

Expert raw is still dogshit. It's a bad jpg in dng container.