Samurai's French style Infantry (Denshūtai)

[@lionpardwolfiefox1338]

Jules Brunet is the REAL "Last Samuraï"

[@Ibegyourmercy]

Je suis tout a fait d'accord avec votre avis!!! Ce n'est pas d'American!!

[@nativegerry335]

the last samurai really did miss this important part of the meiji restoration, that is the efforts of the samurai in using western style tactics and armaments

[@jarlnils435]

These are troops of the Republic of Ezo in the Boshin War 1869. The last Samurai is based on the Satzuma Rebellion in 1877.

[@SobaYatai]

@@jarlnils435 lol this one is Aizu itsnt Ezo yet

[@jarlnils435]

@@SobaYatai I said Republic Ezo! It was the last group of formal shogunate troops trying to have their own state. They were defeated in 1869 in the battle of Hakodate.

[@pirotess2]

@@jarlnils435 Satsuma used to be the most historical firearm used Clan in Japan since 17th century. Even when they was cut off from their arsenals by Imperial forces, they still able gather plenty firearms and even some Armstrong cannons. The famous last samurai charged only after they used the last bullet, and their leader, Saigo always wear Western uniform.

[@SobaYatai]

@@jarlnils435 which denshutai were created before republic of ezo was created

[@PDS21st]

Translations: 0:02 Kanda-Ogawamachi, Edo; Shogunate (or Bakufu) Denshutai 0:18 French Army Artillery Officer Brunet 0:23 Infantry Assault (Commander) Otori Keisuke 0:29 French Army Corporal Cazeneuve Cazeneuve: Soldiers! That's good! That's very good! Bravo! ...unintelligible... 0:41 Brunet: Kintaro, Yasutaro, Command your troops now! 0:49 French Language Interpreter Hosoya Kintaro Kintaro: First Company, Second Company, Assemble! 0:54 French Language Interpreter Tajima Yasutaro Yasutaro: Assemble! 1:00 Narrator: It was in the New Year of Keio Year 3 (1867) when the Shogunate welcomes Napoleon III's French Military advisors and created Japan's longest Western-style army, the Bakufu Denshutai. Original base on what I understand: 「幕府がナポレオン3世派遣のフランス軍事顧問を迎えて日本最長の洋式軍隊「幕府伝習隊」を作った慶応3年1867年正月のことであった」

[@kikikitotomo]

Not longest army,denshutai, "First" western style army. 最長（saichou means longest） 最初（saisho, first） sorry for late reply

[@AtsushiMizobe]

日本テレビ年末時代劇｢五稜郭｣

[@elquidam44]

Ce qui m'a fait marrer, c'est le coup sur l'épaule à 0:43. A peine violent le commandant .

[@paleoph6168]

0:43

[@matteopelleriti4254]

Rip Tokugawa bafuku and rip napoleon III's France (franco-prussian war)

[@Ibegyourmercy]

あ、クロードチアリさんだ。

[@seal-on-the-ice]

岡田真澄さんがまずでてきたのにw

[@ValCronin]

The first clip looked like a videogame!

[@AltruisticAlbatross]

I,m under the impression Choshu was more modernized amongst the domains, and at least as preeminent as Satsuma.

[@nativegerry335]

I agree, the last samurai was a failure in terms of accuracy. The movie would be somewhat interesting if both sides had 1857 and 1860 pattern rifles.

[@Chreeeis]

There was no failure because accuracy was not the main goal. I believe It’s important to understand that it is a great film and continues to capture interest in the time period, so people will want to learn what *really* happened, keeping the memories of those who served alive.

[@Chreeeis]

Thread is ancient but all comments get old eventually :-)

[@paleoph6168]

@@Chreeeiswell the OP said "failure in terms of accuracy", not necessarily a as a whole. It is still a great movie.

[@pirotess2]

Then, I know the Shogunate is also modernized their army. They even have ironclads to against Imperial force. Even in old school, the samurais used a lot of matchlock since late Sengoku era.

[@jarlnils435]

A lot of matchlock? They had more of them than all of europe together!

[@pirotess2]

@@jarlnils435 yeah, but modern people just think samurai never use gun because it's dishonored in modern misconception about samurai. Lol

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@pirotess2 boshin Era war

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@pirotess2 no sengoku era

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@pirotess2 emperor meiji Era

[@kosncche]

クロードチアリと岡田真澄か。。😊😊😊

[@KapengBarakoTheReal]

This was during the boshin war right? When the British guided Imperialist/Satcho Alliance fought the Tokugawa Shogunate (who were guided by the French)

[@BlueCosmos5]

@MrRemicas goryokaku(五稜郭),Japanese TV drama in1988

[@adrientreflest3830]

ca me rappel le 15.2 XD a peine moins violent. nos anciens avaient la classe.

[@theamerican3785]

Thumbnail guy looks like Kevin Malone from the office

[@pirotess2]

Of couse both of them were modernized. And the Satsuma which is the primary player in Boushin War on Imperial side is the most modernized army. But in 1877, they repel against their very own Emperor, which make their legendary last samurai war. But the The last samurai fail (Tom Cruise) make a very big wrong when make the Satsuma samurai only use bow, spear, sword against Imperial army, the Satsuma's samurais used model 1857 rifle too.

[@jarlnils435]

I think they missinterpreted there something. The Samurai fought in old Samurai manner. That means a brutal fighting style where the warriors did everything to bring victory or at least no dishonor to their lord. Weapons were never part of the honor thing. The only thing that matter is to try everything to bring victory to their lord. Or die while trying that.

[@pirotess2]

@@jarlnils435 Samurai even developed Houjutsu or The art of Firearm, they replaced traditional bows by muskets and since Edo era, samurai only use musket in hunting, bow phased out completely on battlefields. I remembered there is a Japanese old movie that a Takeda female warrior challenged Uesagi a duel, he accepted the duel and shoot her down with a matchlock at a distance of 50m. Takeda clan accepted the results as an honourable duel.

[@jarlnils435]

@@pirotess2 well I think he was a good marksman to hit her with that kind of firearm at 50m. With a bow it would be easier. But I had read that they used Bow and Teppo together.

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@pirotess2 boshin war

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@pirotess2 emperor meiji Era

[@MrRemicas]

Is it from a movie ? If so, what's the naame of it ?

[@windysquall5405]

French has demanded samurais to harakiri when their sailors were attacked while they were looting port town.

[@CHEESYHEAD684]

Anyone have name of movie/documentary/series or where to watch it?

[@nativegerry335]

I did not know the shogun did employ western style conscript armies along with up to date firearms. I thought the shogun remained old school thus relying only on the samurai class for defense

[@Teufer2]

1. Quote from Wikipedia "The Shogun had sought French assistance for training and weaponry since 1865. Léon Roches, French consul to Japan, supported the Shogunal military reform efforts to promote French influence, hoping to make Japan into a dependent client state. This caused the British to send their own military mission to compete with the French." The Imperial AND Shogun Loyalists both tried to modernize their army with adoption of western training, tactics and ESPECIALLY weapons. You can see actualy historical photos with Samurais wearing french uniforms and weapons. The "Boshin War" was less about "modernization vs traditionalism" (like "The Last Samurai" depicted it) and more about power struggle. The Samurai was a warrior class with many privileges and power. Which they tried to defend. Those were all abolished after they lost. So they basically ceased to exist. 2. The reason why the picture of the Shogun loyalists in Samurai Armor vs Imperial Loyalist with Uniform exists (except "The last Samurai") is because the Shogun loyalists simply had less modern weapons. (which is one of the major reasons why they lost) Their armies was a mixture of both. People using Yaris (japanese spear) in armor fighting alongside their comrades using muskets and uniforms. Must have been quite an interesting view. 3. Even in old times the Samurais used conscripts. They are equivelant of a european Knight which had their own land & people to rule over. The Samurais had their own small numbers of servants which were armed and trained for combat. (but not part of the Samurai classs) And in times of war would conscript men from the population they ruled over. (barely armed and trained) Feudal Japanese Battles like in Europe was not "Samurai vs Samurai" it was more like "Few Samurais with a handfull of their Soldiers and a lot of conscripts vs Few Samurais with a handfull of their Soldiers and a lot of conscripts" Simply wearing an Armor those not make you a Samurai.

[@Ibegyourmercy]

ちなみに陸軍だけでなく、かなり強い近代的な海軍も持ってましたよ。

[@EugeneTan233]

what show is this?

[@paleoph6168]

Goryokaku (1988)

[@katakauchi]

Goryokaku 1988 New Years drama about the end of the Samurai in Hakodate . It’s not online but you can get a subbed hard copy from Samurai DVD

[@olanhighlanders324]

What is the name of the movie ??

[@無限の牽制]

byakkotai TVdarama

[@無限の牽制]

TV drama

[@無限の牽制]

1986 on air

[@無限の牽制]

or goryokaku TVdrama. 1988 on air.

[@Ibegyourmercy]

多分「五稜郭」やな。ギタリストのクロードチアリさんが出てるので。

[@filipeamaral216]

I would love to know what are the Japanese characters and narrator saying.

[@PDS21st]

0:02 Kanda-Ogawamachi, Edo; Shogunate (or Bakufu) Denshutai 0:18 French Army Artillery Officer Brunet 0:23 Infantry Assault (Commander) Otori Keisuke 0:29 French Army Corporal Cazeneuve Cazeneuve: Soldiers! That's good! That's very good! Bravo! ...unintelligible... 0:41 Brunet: Kintaro, Yasutaro, Command your troops now! 0:49 French Language Interpreter Hosoya Kintaro Kintaro: First Company, Second Company, Assemble! 0:54 French Language Interpreter Tajima Yasutaro Yasutaro: Assemble! 1:00 Narrator: It was in the New Year of Keio Year 3 (1867) when the Shogunate welcomes Napoleon III's French Military advisors and created Japan's longest Western-style army, the Bakufu Denshutai. Original base on what I understand: 「幕府がナポレオン3世派遣のフランス軍事顧問を迎えて日本最長の洋式軍隊「幕府伝習隊」を作った慶応3年1867年正月のことであった」

[@ВасяПупкин-ъ8т]

Total war shogun 2 Fots in real life?

[@pirotess2]

In Sengoku era, the primary weapons of samurai carried to battlefield is "first bow, then spear and late matchlock". Japanese samurai and other soldiers used western firearms since 17th century and become one of the strongest gunpowder empire in post-medieval Asia, only Dai Viet (Vietnam) better than them in gunpowder technology and skilled at that time in Asia (sadly, Vietnam fall so hard after 19th century).

[@mitsubishia6m2zero51]

boshin war

[@mitsubishia6m2zero51]

Vietnam not!!!!!!

[@zi-otrinity3887]

@@mitsubishia6m2zero51 no Vietnam

[@zi-otrinity3887]

No sengoku era

[@zi-otrinity3887]

emperor meiji Era

[@pirotess2]

That is not problem, because Japanese martial art is not only sword art, the real martial art for battlefield is the spear art, thus the samurai can use the rifle with bayonet as same as a bo (short staff), and these moves of rifle in CQC is used to train concripts, farmers, so it is big deal for samurais.

[@zi-otrinity3887]

talk nonsense

[@lapinmalin8626]

l'art du combat à la Baïonnette est un art martial à part entière

[@codyshi4743]

If the French help the Shogun forces during the Boshin War then which Foreign Country help the Emperor’s force?

[@sharkfinbite]

@jack han It's called the Boshin war, not the, "Boston war." However, I am pretty sure it's not etched in stone for anyone to call it that. It's in a different language, and multiple cultures create different names for wars differently than other all the time than others after all. They do this to make things easier for themselves.(Example: In America we call the 60's war in Vietnam the, "Vietnam war," while in Vietnam calls it the, "American war.") You can call it the Japanese imperial-shogunate war to make it easier on you or create a easier name others can easily identify what you're referring too. When it comes to that war from what I hear the imperial side had the British backing. I think, however, saying that is literally OVER SIMPLIFYING everything, and leaving out A LOT of details, other nations too, and any foreign ethnic group deciding to do business or work with one of the sides. You can find some Americans and other foreigners getting involved. Sometimes you come across strange situations as a direct result of the complex international politics going on and occurred in the past. Believe it or not, Japan used an iron clad ship from the U.S. in a naval battle. It was called the C.S.S. Stonewall. It was a ship built by France for the Confederate States of America (American Civil War naval ship. It did have active service here.) It was used in the final battle of the Boshin war. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ironclad_K%C5%8Dtetsu#American_career_as_CSS_Stonewall It's considered general notion that the emperor was had British support, while the shogunate had the French. This doesn't mean you will find evidence of either of these foreign nations doing things conflicting with the general idea they were aiding that faction. You will. From what I hear western powers took the neutral stance on the war. They ordered any foreign military advisers to return and did not allow any military war material to enter from their nation to Japan. Yet you still had the this American civil war ship to manage to make it in Japan and actively participate in the war. I think it was operated by Americans and it appeared to have been sneaked in there judging by wiki. What does this tell you? Boshin war seems to indicate a lot of people doing legal maneuvering and not following the neutral stance ordered. This implies there was way too much convoluted messed up political b.s. going on that is not easy to describe in a short sentence. I think people created the notion British backed the emperor and the French with the shogunate for a good reason. It felt like they were the big significant figures appearing to have more people from their nations back that faction more than any of the other nationalities you find. Because I would trust this assumption to be the case. But I then come across stuff like this. www.quora.com/What-was-the-foreign-involvement-in-the-Boshin-War-and-why-wasnt-it-greater . It says there was no foreign involvement. Then I find stuff like this implying there was a little. www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Boshin_War and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Brunet Basically, both the, "Yes," and, "No," answer to the, "Were there any foreigners involved in the Boshin war and did western powers backed one of the factions," is loaded with examples that contradicts it. I would say the answer is, "You can find some foreigners or foreign influences involved in some way, but you find stuff that conflicts with either answer. You can find evidence supporting both sides of the argument." In a way you can sum the situation up kind of like the U.S. Civil War. Technically no nation got involved in the war. They declared to remain neutral. Despite this you still had foreign businesses to take advantage of the situation to selling munitions to both sides, have foreigners to travel over here to be foreign observers, and certain few amounts of folks today accusing Britain or France for supporting the C.S.A., like France did in the American Revolution. Legally, all the nations's governments, and leaders were actually neutral and declared it. Even France was still neutral despite any case you argue against them for the C.S.S. Stonewall. Any people or group in these countries that were not part of the gov. however was a different story. Civilians didn't have to suffer under being politically cautious in what they do or say in international politics like a government body or leader does. They did not have same restrictions preventing them to go there and participate as among the members of the faction. (Citizens don't need government approval to join a cause, or desire to care.) Businesses or other groups also might of had the same thing, or took ninja tactics to take advantage of the monetary value to test their product in the war or sell munitions without government approval. I think this is the same case with the Boshin war. On paper everyone was neutral. However, not everyone followed it. (By the way I have heard of this Civil War ship before. I think the U.S. has a mutual deal set in place with Japan where they would share this thing since it has historical significance for both. They take turns owning it and send it to the other when the scheduled the people created said it was time to shift. I think Japan has a different name for the ship. I however might heard it wrong in how they got this ship, or my A.D.D. over time caused me to forget was originally told to me, and I created Mandela effect in my brain. I always thought France gave this to the group they were backing in Japan. By the looks of the info shared it seems like it was sneaked into Japan by a loose cannon American in a suspiciously shady manner. Haha. I am not sure if that is really the case though. )

[@wildanfirly2331]

jack han french old enemy: Great Britain

[@lecapetien3223]

i would say the first french colony: england

[@newrisingdamned7604]

what is the full movie if i may know?

[@nativegerry335]

what about the imperial forces, were they also modernized

[@SobaYatai]

not as much as shogunate force

[@MarcoCaprini-do3dq]

​@@SobaYataiWhat? Imperial and Shogunate forces were basically on the same level when it came to modernization

[@SobaYatai]

@@MarcoCaprini-do3dq in term of modernization the shogunate force had better equipment but satchodo had two things that made them win the wars if not politically -better morale -better training -better commanders

[@SobaYatai]

the imperial forces other than Choshu like Fukuoka Domain didn't modernize until they enter occupied former shogunate territory and start tailoring western style clothing in foreign port cities.

[@nativegerry335]

@@SobaYatai that's unbelievable in most minds. Everyone thinks the last samurai movie to be all fact. But really it's fiction fantasy. Both boshin wars and Satsuma looked like a mix of 19th century and centuries old warfare combined.

[@NANS1022]

How can i find the full film, or more extracts ?

[@SobaYatai]

Byakkotai

[@SobaYatai]

They arent denshutai lol

[@ishi-b6w]

@@SobaYatai They are denshutai. The film itself has literally said Denshutai in it multiple times.

[@SobaYatai]

@@ishi-b6w where can i watch it then

[@nativegerry335]

btw since the samurai were trained and disciplined in martial arts involving the sword AKA katana as well as their body since the ancient times. How were they able to incorporate firearm training efficiently in such a short time

[@1000yardstares]

you think that using firearms is as hard as using a sword? a stick goes boom bruh

[@MarcoCaprini-do3dq]

To train a sonewhat good swordman, you need months of costant practice. To train a musketeer, you need only a few weeks of practice

[@muhammadluthfie2218]

😁😍😎

[@anasthase100]

Oui, comme sur le drapeau du R.U., des USA, de la Russie, de la Norvège ...

[@druisteen2]

ouais ouais ouais ... le drapeau francais a auussi du rouhge et du bleu ... tu va aussi me dire que c'est un drapaud franc masson ?

[@anasthase100]

. On retrouve les deux couleurs de la franc-maçonnerie sur les uniformes : le rouge et le bleu. .

[@johnwotek3816]

ce sont aussi les couleurs de la ville de Paris...

[@lecapetien3223]

Les trois couleurs, bleu, blanc et le rouge sont les anciennes couleurs des rois de France qui sont devenus par la suite, les couleurs de la France.

[@anasthase100]

@@lecapetien3223 - Faux.

[@elquidam44]

Qu'est-ce que vous êtes saoulant avec vos propos de paranos qui ramènent toujours tout à la franc-maçonnerie ! Vous ne pouvez pas changer de disque ?