San Francisco neighbors hot over EV cooling fans causing noise nuisance

Neighbors say the EV charging station has been there around six to nine months now - making it hard to work or even sleep. ABC7 News went out to the area to test the decibel levels based on guidance from San Francisco's noise and sound code. abc7ne.ws/3zNGscA
#ev #sanfrancisco #noisecomplaint #news #abc7news

[@jessicah3782]

I love how the company blatantly lies and says it's one Neighbor.

[@alexibarra4675]

Well they said they’re addressing a complaint received from one neighbor but it doesn’t acknowledge or deny the existence of other complaints. If everyone has the same complaint they might just bunch it into “1 problem affecting many”. I get what you’re saying though, it doesn’t help that their case, that their statement is worded like that

[@BobTheHatKing]

Well they’re owned by Volkswagen and the whole reason they exist is because it was part of the deal they made with the government after dieselgate… so no surprise there… a dishonest company continuing to be dishonest

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@alexibarra4675 They knew full well what they were doing when they arranged the installation.

[@HockeySniping]

Thats what corporations do, nothing new!

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

​@@JoeOvercoatYes they did know; they were installing a properly permitted charging station? Lmao

[@mynvision]

So the EV company is breaking noise ordinance laws? 70 decibels, especially prolonged and ongoing, is really loud.

[@HiThisIsMine]

Yea, 70 outdoors isn’t all that crazy, but 60 indoors all over the apartment.. that’s the same as a normal conversation. Just imagine having to listen to a droning ramble of incoherent conversation 24 hours a day. I’d be pissed.

[@saltygrandpajoe6375]

The street full of junkies and the constant smell of feces are okay but the loud fans ??? You'll are clowns and worse ! 😶‍🌫️

[@redneckhippiefreak]

@@HiThisIsMine lol I live in the South, on the end f a dirt road..My A/C runs 24/7..It puts out 75 db....Such is life...Grow up and face some real strife in life and ambient noise becomes a minimal issue.

[@patty109109]

@@user-qr7ee2cp4yso since it’s quieter than a fucking motorbike it’s okay?

[@user-fl6ko9do5y]

they need to remove it now. obviously has government kickback.

[@shrimboi8909]

That's freaking LOUD. How did they get away with it in the first place?

[@JennyWren333]

Right? Especially parking their business in a residential neighborhood.

[@daintyminnie9270]

they put in a permit and installed it... after that , they turn the fan on .. thats how

[@Jdogblingbling]

They got away with it because so many government institutions are hellbent on trying to get people into electric cars

[@CourtneyNielsen]

Money

[@blipco5]

These things are relatively new, the city permitting department had no idea. Now that they know, let’s see what they do about it.

[@PortlandViper]

Wonder what would happen if a normal citizen made that much noise. Anyone else getting tired of the two tier legal system yet?

[@JacobSchmitt-j8p]

Don’t like it move

[@yamamancha]

That tone and volume 24/7? That's psychological warfare.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

Yes and there's no way they didn't know how loud it was going to be. There are things they could have done like direct the noise upward and away from buildings or use liquid cooling instead. There's a reason why chunky heatsinks are the norm in computers not just fans. They could potentially even install equipment to scavenge some of the spare heat for other purposes.

[@jonniesantos]

The Radio Shack db meter made my day! 😂

[@nickmalone3143]

Like from the 1970s ....uh theres an app for your phone now

[@josephlalock8378]

@@nickmalone3143 i'll trust my RS analog dB meter over your phone app anyday.

[@4362mont]

@@nickmalone3143 I'd rather have the meter; thx.

[@MuzixMaker]

@@nickmalone3143I have one.

[@SeanPat1001]

@@nickmalone3143 I have a sound meter. It needs to be calibrated periodically. I doubt any phone app would be accepted as evidence in a court hearing.

[@user-tr8fs7lm8r]

Noise pollution is noise pollution. They should have to replace this or get rid of it.

[@Abby-yc7tt]

Noise pollution is only illegal if you're not paying the city to not hear it.

[@drowe2]

If a little noise means stopping global warming, then no one should be complaining

[@carlhicksjr8401]

Don't get me wrong here... I'm generally with you when it comes to the 'turn that crap down!' sentiment. But just what exactly is the difference between fans and freeway noise or some dipshit with muscle car and no muffler? Or some clown rolling through the neighborhood blasting his music or aircraft noise? One angle that might get this company to clean up its act is if the neighbors sue because the noise lowers their property values. That ought to get quick action in the PRSF.

[@TheBigBigSean]

@@drowe2 - 50 years of global warming predictions, and none of them have come true. 1933 is still the hottest year recorded. Enough is enough, stop with fear mongering.

[@TheBigBigSean]

@@drowe2 50 years of global warming predictions, and none of them have come true. 1933 is still the hottest year recorded.

[@stephengravning9478]

I miss Radio Shack 😢

[@edwardschwenk3100]

@@jimtess2744 I adore my 64. My Commodore 64.

[@shavonblue2185]

File a lawsuit.

[@nightowl6260]

It is the only solution for problems in this country.

[@diego.e.a]

Destroy the fan

[@LuckyBelafonte]

And lose

[@warrpedd]

I'm not a fan of this.

[@pauljanssen7594]

Funny 😁

[@johnbryson2479]

creating quite a buzz among the neighbors.

[@davidgolf3245]

The city needs to get off there ass and tell EV America to fix the problem or they will be shut down. Problem solved. The city is at fault here for not enforcing the noise ordinance. Cheers from Australia

[@northernjacob4695]

City officials probably got campaign contributions and stock options from Electrify America

[@haroldgamble9781]

The city was probably told by the company that the noise level would be within the allowable limit. Since it is not, daily fines should be issued until the problem is fixed. If the problem cannot be fixed, the business should be closed down. EV’s are the future in the effort to reduce air pollution, but excess noise is another kind of pollution.

[@alisons9740]

True. As an Architect who works with MEP and Acoustic Consultants it is standard practice for a legit engineer to do sound calculations, provide installation details to meet project targets, and ensure all equipment parts are in correct working order before signing off on project completion. Sometimes it’s a loose belt or blade, and done. Other times it’s vibration isolators, baffles, or alternate manufacturers. This is negligence on the part of the City, Owner, and Design-Build professionals involved. Get on it now while the GC is still under warranty.

[@JoeOvercoat]

Since it is “EV” nothing will be done as it is a political animal.

[@dash8465]

Yeah right.. good luck attacking anything EV in CA CA is simply unsalvageable.

[@johnpchang]

Sloppy engineering by EA. Looking at the size of that charging station, they probably need to dissipate ~100-200kw of heat if all chargers are running, which is quite a bit, but not insane. I suspect someone designed this station with a simple on/off thermostat and blower motor that runs at full tilt any time the chargers are running instead of a more appropriate variable motor and temperature controller. That one change will probably cost them an extra couple thousand dollars but it’ll be well worth it once the noise complaint judgements start rolling in.

[@RandomPerson-op1bq]

2000kw of power max assuming 10 slots are occupied using full power. I also think the fan is on max power but they could have used more space to spread out the cooling and/or slow down charging to say 100kw (still very fast) to decrease temperature load

[@johnpchang]

@@RandomPerson-op1bq yeah, I was assuming about 2MW of charge capacity and about 95% conversion efficiency, plus thermal losses from running active cooling cables and wiggle room for other inefficiencies is where I got the 100-200kw of thermal waste energy they have to dump. I agree, the immediate fix should be to throttle the fan (or replace the motor if necessary ) to run at a max speed that’s within noise ordinances, and whatever the chargers can manage within that will be the site max for now. Most of these chargers have been going into strip mall and big box store parking lots, where noise isn’t as big of a deal. As they move into more urban environments like this, they’re going to have to get a bit more sophisticated about their waste heat handling. There’s no reason or excuse for even a charging facility of this size to be making this much noise in a residential neighborhood.

[@dougaltolan3017]

Just think of all the free or very cheap hot water they could supply to neighbours...

[@mikerichardson6973]

Most of the chargers are 350KW

[@christiantosumbung5791]

Duct silencers, some deflector vanes or better yet relocate the exhaust to the roof. Line the ducts with acoustic dampers. Fans themselves dont sound very efficient either. Give it 50k to do all that and you’ll significantly lower the noise.

The company statement is pretty passive-aggressive. Ongoing invasive noise is stressful if you’ve ever dealt with it.

[@JoeOvercoat]

The company was created with our money obtained from the dieselgate settlement with VW. In a socialist world we would own that company, but in America under crony capitalism, we’ve simply created the monster that we see in this video.

[@kazman8560]

Decibels are on a logarithmic scale so for every db it's exponentially louder. 70db from street means that thing is like as loud as a lawnmower running constantly.

[@marketteers]

Air handling units on the top of hospitals aren’t even that loud. New fans and motors can be extremely quiet. This is either a piece of junk, or the electrical is completely messed up. No exhaust should sound like that. Go to any high rise the city and you won’t hear anything like that (unless a generator is running)

[@scratchdog2216]

The irony of this is not lost and honestly I understand the complaint.

[@mattg5022]

She says, “…they waited two days and then turned them back on.” Poor woman and her hood too! Company seems arrogant. Good reporting

[@victorcantoran8053]

70 db and over 60 inside of living spaces is absurd and non-compliant. I would be furious if I payed so much for housing and you are constantly hearing such noises 24/7. Companies nowadays don’t care about the negative impacts for the local communities. This country is so out of touch with reality. Good for the locals speaking up.

[@Mr-Eleven]

As someone who lives in north bay, when pg&e shuts our power off when the grid can't handle it, how the fuck are people supposed to live their lives if newly constructed houses are electronic and our cars are ev?

[@machineman6498]

Not so sure EVs are the future. RIP for that Radio Shack meter.

[@Borkery]

LoL gotta burn all them watts just to keep the room a semi decent temperature for those princess batteries

[@garyhooper1820]

This is Scary , Major Fire hazard in a residential neighborhood !!

[@zoemayne]

Dumb Idea. Either put it on the roof or design it with more smaller quieter fans + larger radiator.

[@LBCAndrew]

The top floor is usually a residence.

[@chriscalderin6677]

They voted for it

[@moogs]

@@chriscalderin6677so original. What a tool

[@tellucas]

There are other fan designs that can dramatically reduce the noise but would cost more more and take up more room. Such as centrifugal blower and or a ducted option placing the fan components inside an insulated fan room away from the outer wall and ducting the air flow.

[@carlyoung6827]

Dealt with this kind of thing before. Step 1. Make repeated complaints to the police and the city to establish a pattern and paper trail documenting the disturbance. Step 2. After establishing a pattern of noise and complaint, hire an attorney (many will take the case for a piece of the settlement) Step 3. Sue the company, and every tenant that is using the facility to charge their vehicles or has charged their vehicle there during the aforementioned pattern of disturbance and complaint. (large pool of money to collect from)

[@dobe2049]

What about just resorting to vandalism.

[@gergc4871]

Wow. You don't know how useless the police are there. They're (the police department) threatening a Target store because the store is reporting crime too often. (Every occurence)

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

@@dobe2049 In many cases the only and best option. But in this instance one can turn it in to $$$. I'm all for $$$.

[@HiThisIsMine]

You wouldn’t get a penny from people charging their vehicles there. That would be no different than if you had beef with a fast food restaurant for a noise complaint and tried to sue their customers. You could include the city in your claim, operators of the charging station, the main property tenant that may have agreed to allowing it, the landlord, and then you could look into management and employees of the charging station or facility if you have some basis to prove they acted with malice to approve the project or ignore your complaints.

[@aware2action]

​@@dobe2049 Does foam insulation Spray on fan vents considered one🤔🤣

[@supakat1835]

They ahould have put it on the roof with a baffle like they do with rooftop HVAC systems

[@JOfAllT]

"EV charging equipment cooling fans". That should be the title. The current title makes it sound like EVs themselves are making the noise. Poor quality reporting by ABC

[@noneyabusiness8278]

No I understood that just fine. Just not a FAN of charging stations under a residential building too much of a fire risk. How does the fire department put out that fire…. They don’t they just let it burn. So if you are fine with the possibility of being a marshmallow go for it. Me not so much…

[@JOfAllT]

@@noneyabusiness8278 Charging stations don't cause fires. Gasoline does, and so do bad batteries. In any case, the article is about noise pollution. DC fast charging equipment can get very loud because they are dealing with 100s of kWs .. and even at 95% efficiency, there is considerable heat to dissipate. They should have vented the heat from the roof instead of the sides of buildings. This is just poor design, and not a fire hazard.

[@ordguy]

The sad fact is that you can design much better fans that can achieve the necessary air flow and pressure differential while generating a fraction of the noise.

[@BillDownhill]

You'd think they'd figure out how to watercool everything.

[@TheGor54]

Just shut it down. The property owner cant afford to vent it to the roof for an additional million bucks. After permitting probably 1.2M... and have to pay for daily vandalism. Just shut everything down so people can sit around and paint dilddos in peace!!!!

[@ronwade2206]

Vent it up instead of out the wall.

[@ericjohnston7663]

My thought

[@otroflores91]

How does that stop the running fan noise? Anyone with a PC has experienced it.

[@edwinrodeo]

You’re making too much sense.. knock it off 😅

[@0utcast]

​@@otroflores91the noise isn't directed down or to where people are but upwards so the apparent volume would be lower for the exact same fan. Experiment. Take a stereo or whatever speaker and face it towards you and play something loud. Now turn the speaker so it's facing to the ceiling... compare. You'll find that it sounds lower. Same concept with a fan

[@0utcast]

​​@@otroflores91apples and oranges. Your in closer proximity to a computer plus your puter isn't cooling with industrial fans

[@Garbagejuicewaterfall]

Look up: fans screeching Look down: poop

[@LoveBigTiddyGothGirls]

Evs aren't the future.

[@kenbob1071]

Yeah one loud fan means EVs aren't the future, but when a supertanker or oil well releases thousands of barrels of oil into the ocean and along pristine beaches, or we fight wars for oil, that's no problem for the future of oil burning cars. Puh-lease.

[@andrewwong8932]

This technology is not the future, It sounds like you understand the argument you’re just in denial, electric vehicles are a dead technology that was experimented with over a century ago😢

[@latinourbano]

Sadly they are....where I live they are building an EV plant which is expected to go live next year. With how EV sales are tanking I dont really see that warehouse being online for long

[@bensonyau2302]

what? The greenies aren't enjoying their utopia?

[@neilkurzman4907]

Right because fans must make noise

[@nickmalone3143]

​@@neilkurzman4907just call them windmills and they will stop complaining 😂

[@TiredofMorons]

EV and the pseudo ecological owners are horrible for the planet.

[@danettewelborn5577]

Just tell them its to save the planet, lol

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@danettewelborn5577 And there is your problem. You assume people who care about the planet are idiots and you can tell them whatever you want and they’ll believe you.

[@nightowl6260]

The company knew that this type of fan would be very noisy. they expected to get away with it. Why didn't they place it on the roof of the building? They couldn't be bothered.

[@addanametocontinue]

They'd probably create less noise if they made a bigger radiator that was spread out more, so you'd have more fans running, but at slower speeds. These fans are unreasonably loud, and they probably run 24/7. Based on the law the reporter read, the noise output of these fans is in violation.

[@chadgeary5615]

Probably be less noise if they went with gas cars like a normal person 😂

[@JacktheSmack]

@@chadgeary5615 Gas cars are dying off so that would be a pointless investment.

[@chadgeary5615]

@@JacktheSmack They are definitely NOT dying off. Crooked government is trying to force them out, but that crap is getting shut down. EV is the biggest polluter by far.

[@PTANV-x2g]

@JacktheSmack 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so ridiculous and stupid

[@sdfsdf2205]

Ah but that one loose bolt, or fan or 2 that isn't weight calibrated regardless of more fans... you will hear it and they will never fix it... specially with the 50 year old insolation in the walls.

[@Chad-Giga.]

Just cover the grates and the equipment will overheat rapidly and be destroyed, use silly string

[@EJofLA]

Fans do not have to make that much noise. They need to change fans. Or maybe the vents are vibrating. Something can be done and has to be done. The residents were there first.

[@twostate7822]

Electrify America is one of the lousiest EV charging companies in the US. Their chargers are frequently broken, or don't charge at their rated speeds. The cooling fans in their charging facility appear to be one of the few things in Electrify America that works, although not well, and not in compliance with noise laws.

[@johnnyfive1412]

That painting looks like a ......

[@ScottRuen]

the fan is clearly degrading her art

[@kramnotead]

a dick...

[@OuterSpace-1-0.0]

double end

[@nydutch1609]

Piece of sh**. "Masterpieces." 😂

[@TheGor54]

Her art looks like it could be Very loud.. 😖😵‍💫💩

[@williammorris4327]

We didn't know what it was.....tell we voted for it

[@cardrivingdude]

"tell we voted for it" Go back to school.

[@chriscalderin6677]

@@cardrivingdude grow up it is probably spell check! You must be a brandon voter

[@cardrivingdude]

​@@chriscalderin6677 You also need to go back to school so you can learn to construct a complete and coherent thought within a sentence.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@cardrivingdude You should go back to school, the internet is an informal register.

[@cardrivingdude]

@@SmallSpoonBrigade You're right.

[@halstonmann8676]

It’s hard to do much of anything due to noise, says the ev owning residents.

[@warrenpeece1726]

Everyone has to pay the price for saving the planet! Be grateful!

[@russh6414]

Why doesn’t electrify America explore quieter fans. Oh yeah, it’s probably way more expensive.

[@FriedChairs]

I’ve been to many Tesla chargers and there’s no loud fan anywhere near them. How is the competition this far behind still?

[@russh6414]

@@FriedChairs are the Tesla chargers all inside one building like this electrify America facility? Chargers, located outside are different.

[@CHOCKO895]

Cheap equipment

[@noneyabusiness8278]

Wait till one of those batteries catches on fire. Guess some people haven’t seen a Tesla literally cruising down hwy280 in Flames. I imagined it . Lol

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

And one will. Guaranteed.

[@CarsandChris]

We've been using battery-powered tools for years in mechanics shops. They have zero issues with battery failure.

[@jasonrabe1664]

The issue is not with tools. It is with electric cars catching on fire

[@PTANV-x2g]

Both electric cars and electric tool batteries have caught on fire, in the past as well as recently. And lithium battery fires are no joke. But feel free to keep burying your head in the sand so you don’t have to question your own narrative.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 How long do we have to wait for one to catch on fire 10 or 20 years? What happens if you guarantee fails?

[@user-yp9fb1jb6m]

SO they're taking energy from the grid to charge the EV and then more to run the fans to keep the EV and charging equipment cool. That is NOT efficient.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Still A LOT more efficient than burning fossil fuels.

[@dickriggles942]

It's a cult.

[@aliannarodriguez1581]

You have to run a total energy use calculation to be sure. But I’m pretty sure that is not an efficient fan system, I agree with the commenters that said they likely cheaped out when picking it. And I’m shocked that city regulations allowed it to installed at that height when you never see building HVAC exhaust fans done that way.

[@imzjustplayin]

It's pretty clear you're just here to bash EVs and anything associated with them. You can't even quantify what the word "efficient" means.

[@chriscalderin6677]

They voted for it! Electric cars use more fossil fuel than gas cars

[@jamestaylor3805]

I though callifornia had laws requiring loud equipment to be mounted on the roof or behind privacy partitions, either of wich can mitigate some of the sound.

[@visibletoa11usersonyoutube]

I have the same problem in my apartment living above a bakery 😢

[@robertherman1146]

So move

[@dng2000]

Can't those vents be mounted up on the roof either by building a little penthouse for them or design them to ensure water doesn't enter the chimneys? If it works well for kitchen vents at restaurants in residential neighborhoods, I think that ought to be doable.

[@GM-qh2ki]

They should’ve never let Electrify America near that building. Tesla would’ve done a perfect job on the installation and no one would’ve never heard a thing!

[@kenbob1071]

ikr....I've never heard a peep out of any Tesla Supercharger and they have them in parking garages.

[@doverbeachcomber]

Residents: record the sound, then show up at the next company marketing event with a small portable PA system set to reproduce the noise at a similar level. See how THEY like it!

[@superman60201]

Must be luxurious to only have this to worry about in San Francisco.

[@stevemackner3875]

See what happens when you don't use gas.

[@mrhackerman4817]

😂 stoopid

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

This wasn't an inherent problem, a better heat sink with louvers to direct the sound away from the residences would solve it. They just didn't want to spend the money.

[@kenbob1071]

Yeah, b/c I'm sure nobody on the planet has ever complained about loud gas-powered lawn mowers, leaf blowers, diesel generators or the polluted smoggy air that comes with fossil fuel burning.

[@jimwile9313]

Build tubing loops underground to use the 55 - 60 (f) constant to cool the charging system. More work in advance, much quieter and lower cost to run because that temperature is a constant.

[@LarsDennert]

EA's premier charging hub. This is what they came up with? Relocate the fans internally and not at the outside wall. Ice vehicles have this great sound attenuation called a muffler to drown out the sound of the motor. They could learn something.

[@ScallopHolden]

That’s another stress to the grid.

[@imzjustplayin]

Who cares. 99.9% of the time the grid is far below max capacity. If there is high demand or a grid crisis, charging rates can be curtailed or stopped entirely which usually only happens in the late evening from 7-10pm on a very hot day. Grid capacity can and will be added if the demand is there.

[@chriscalderin6677]

They voted for it

[@kenbob1071]

@@chriscalderin6677 Do you live in one of the many Red states that are constantly on the bottom of state rankings when it comes to any measure of success? I guess that's what you voted for. But yeah, let's hype up a single instance of a loud fan if it helps you cope.

[@chriscalderin6677]

@@kenbob1071 I live in texas where everyone wants to move to

[@chriscalderin6677]

@@kenbob1071 California is a $#!+ hole because of the IQ of the voters

[@Mikemikeswehomenow]

Ev is not the future.

[@PTANV-x2g]

THIS!!

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

It's the landfill.

[@kenbob1071]

"Horseless carriages are not the future." --Horace T. Dumass, 1892

[@andrewwong8932]

@@kenbob1071Oh my God you’re too lazy to find an actual quote to support your argument, 😂

[@leerubin4303]

Pick the weird cat lady with the folic symbol painting. LOL

[@flydieselair]

Tell them to shut up, who'd they vote for ? This is just a small consequence of the people you voted into office.

[@chriscalderin6677]

They keep getting what they vote for and still keep doing it

[@kenbob1071]

You mean like the voters of failed states like Alabama, MS, AR, WV, MO, LA, etc. who keep voting for the same corrupt Party even though they're always ranked at the bottom of every list that measures success?

[@JeffAPierson]

Evs MIGHT be the distant future, but they suck for now.

[@henryyiu618]

Blah it's not EV problem it's Electrify America problem. No one complain Tesla Superchargers being loud.

[@joesmith3590]

No they just complain the quality is low and they have no resale value. Few people buy a 2nd EV.

[@dobe2049]

@@henryyiu618electrify America sucks ass. I’ve had both a Tesla and non Tesla. I wouldn’t own an EV without reliable in home charging.

[@dobe2049]

@@joesmith3590 is that what the news told you?

[@henryyiu618]

@@joesmith3590Only ignorant people who don't actually own Tesla complain about them.

[@joycedudzinski9415]

Exactly what power source is being used to run these loud fans??

[@ghost307]

Electricity.

[@johnsradios484]

Probably putting the fan on the roof may cut down on the fan noise.

[@markwybierala4936]

Poor engineering

[@jovans510]

EV’s. The BIGGEST scam of human history. This is coming from an EV owner…

[@sfdanceron1]

I feel for you. I hope you can sell your ev.

[@imzjustplayin]

Explain how they're a scam. I doubt very much you're an EV owner.

[@sfdanceron1]

@@imzjustplayin Well, here's the problem: there such a plethora of failures surrounding ev's, it would take days to cover all their short coming. However, let me direct you to a YT channel: "Mguy Australia." You'll get everything you want to know about the failures of ev's. Oh, btw, Hertz bought 20,000 of those ev's and now they can't sell them. I wonder why??

[@kenbob1071]

BS. I've owned a Tesla for 5 years and it's the best car I've ever owned (including my Toyota Prius).

[@kenbob1071]

@@imzjustplayin He won't b/c he has nothing.

[@lmb4876]

Electrify American, in my city, is located in the middle of a large parking lot…not near any residential buildings

[@user-kq4hf8se5b]

Where is electricity to power that fan coming from? Coal power plant?

[@selanryn5849]

There are no coal power plants in California.

[@frankmacleod2565]

wow, lot of electricity being used to cool those cars!! Totally environmentally friendly

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

The Second Law of Thermodynamics is inviolate.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@k.chriscaldwell4141 ok

[@dougaltolan3017]

EV charging ~ 95% efficient. Internal combustion engine ~35% efficient. EV *can* recharge from braking, you don't get a tank of gas from braking in a gas car. Dont spew BS about "environmentally friendly" if you know SFA.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@dougaltolan3017 I wasn't saying anything about electric vehicles being efficient. I was referring to these huge fans needed to cool the charging infrastructure for the electric vehicles. Don't spew BS at me if you didn't understand my comment.

[@dougaltolan3017]

@@frankmacleod2565 I guess joined up thinking isn't your thing. L

[@Humpolot84]

AFFORDABLE SILENT GAINT FANS ARE A NORMAL THING U CAN BUY ONLINE EVERYDAY LOL

[@Javelinjoe73]

How much juice do those huge fans consume?

[@Ops535]

I thought there was later night construction site when I was passing by yesterday evening

[@blaydCA]

Simple cure: Reduce the fan rpm or use different blades.

[@fishypictures]

I’m not a FAN of anything EV.

[@ourv9603]

Those fans need to be moved to the roof towards the center of the building THEN build a solid wall around the fans with the fans pointing UP. OR, up on the roof swap out the 2 big fans for several smaller, quieter fans. !

[@JMUK]

But WALLS don’t woke, I mean work.

[@davidgenie-ci5zl]

What is the carbon foot print of the power needed to run these evil fans?

[@Numba1hunna83]

Ev's are not the future. They are cheap, low quality cars that can't be maintained or handle the elements with insane luxury price tags. Gas cars are, and for the foreseeable future, the norm. Quality, well vetted technology. Don't let climate alarmists convince you otherwise. I will be sticking with internal combustion engines.

[@imzjustplayin]

In the near term yes hybrids make sense but long term EVs absolutely will be the standard. There is far too much investment and momentum and advantages to going with EVs. EVs today are not ready for mass adoption but in 20 years they absolutely will be the norm.

[@Numba1hunna83]

@imzjustplayin the investment was because the government tried to strong arm the industry into switching. There is literally no advantage to having an EV over internal combustion engines. Personally, I wouldn't touch those hybrids either.

[@RAZ423]

Imagine how many of these will be going up by 2035 when gas cars have been banned in CA. Live with it, it is your future.

[@frankmacleod2565]

gas cars are not being banned in 2035.

[@frankmacleod2565]

nice try though

[@PTANV-x2g]

You actually believe gas cars will be banned?? That’s adorable 🤣🤣🤣

[@rrickard2874]

That was the initial plan, but CA has backtracked. Honda, for one, is ditching all-electric.

[@frankmacleod2565]

@@rrickard2874 the plan was never to ban gas cars.

[@hondaopportunity8107]

This is all a sham, I think people in California have allowed this, so you get what you want.

[@AliBubbaSparxx]

I’ll pray for you San Francisco

[@johnball8758]

I can't believe in 2024 that no one can make a quieter fan.

[@Playlist-yz8de]

This seems like a perfect use for noise cancellation technology. There are other ways to mitigate this noise as well. The fact that the E V company and city have done nothing speaks volumes.

[@marksample6230]

Just wait til the fire starts.

[@sfdanceron1]

Fires!!!

[@iAPX432]

That's easy, shutdown the fan and shutdown the activity, until it's fixed.

[@TheNukem950]

For fun, I looked up the decibel chart for noise. It says 70db is car engines / city traffic noise levels. I think the real problem is the constant, single tone that these fans are putting out. I wonder if they could try varying the fan speed to help these folks out. That at least would help in the short term.

[@MoonDog991]

What the balls and shaft is THAT art?

[@venom5809]

"EVs are the future". No, they don't have to be and not looking like they will be.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Wrong. EVs are the future. It simply is the most sensible solution.

[@ghost307]

You know what else was "the future"? 8-track tapes Quadrophonic sounds 3D television Flying cars Supersonic airliners

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@Simon-dm8zv The EV technology we have now is grossly inadequate. The national grid could not support the EV goals being trumpeted by the proponents today. EVs may be the future but right now they are a bad joke.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@ghost307 These were just gadgets. The choice for EVs is simply a matter of physics.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@JoeOvercoat They are not a joke at all. They are doing just fine. EVs are the most sensible solution we have to lower CO2 emissions quick. It’s not as if we have a choice.

[@Borkery]

what, no air conditioned building to charge them in? batteries are princesses and require all the luxuries before charging.

[@Astroponicist]

there are much quieter ways of achieving the level of cooling that they need including evaporative cooling.

[@MrYfrank14]

EV's are the future. According to who, exactly? Most manufacturers got out of the business.

[@Scarecrow2311]

BEV's are over priced junk

[@thebeez9487]

How dare you complain about saving the planet 🤣

[@brianmarkey867]

I'm impressed with the radio shack testing equipment 😂

[@ouroboris]

Ain't EVs just the greatest thing ever?

[@francisgoldstien6153]

They simply sue them Its an easy win

[@patty109109]

I drive an EV. This is crazy. They need to fix it.

[@pauljanssen7594]

I'm not a great fan of news reporting like this but it looks like these guys screwed up the fans are definitely too noisy. And the other neighbors are not complaining because they probably think it won't do any good.

[@jonecliptic]

Ev trash

[@johnwenzel2003]

Have them change the fan ; they can make silent submarines, replacing an obnoxious air mover isn't rocket science or cost prohibitive.

[@Jdogblingbling]

This is what happens when you're hellbent on trying to get everyone to drive those crappy EVs. Too many people in government get big bucks from lobbyists to care about noise

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

No, it's not, this is what happens when the planning department isn't given enough information about the project design. We're going electric whether you like it or not, the question is how much oil there is left in the ground and not in the air when that happens. Better radiators and more efficient fans would have avoided the issue.

[@PTANV-x2g]

EVs are NOT the future. Let’s be VERY clear about that right now.

[@dougaltolan3017]

Wrong

[@PTANV-x2g]

@dougaltolan3017 Oh, ok, cool. Good talk.

[@dougaltolan3017]

@@PTANV-x2g You're welcome. I think that talk is a bit limited in the face of such a definitive statement such as your comment. Given that fossil fuels will be phased out, what alternative to EVs do you think will be the future? I'll admit that my comment was also a definitive statement, but it is grounded on observable facts, exigent requirements, and financial pressures.

[@PTANV-x2g]

Basically nothing you just said is true. Fossil fuels are not going to be phased out, fossil fuel powered cars aren’t going to be phased out, and many folks are finally starting to admit the truth on those two things. Even some of the biggest manufacturers are backtracking on their wild EV plans, because everybody with a brain who looks at the BIG picture knows how utterly unrealistic it is to think EVs will take over the market. The only people left who actually believe EVs are the future are the same folks who foolishly believe that human-caused “climate change” is a thing. Hint: it’s not. The climate changes, yes.. but we have no meaningful control over it, and EVs sure as hell aren’t the solution.

[@dickriggles942]

@@PTANV-x2g It's been almost 14 years and they're still running this line about EVs being the future. It's getting old.

[@AstriaStarwynd]

Why did the reporter not try to contact the city regarding the violation of sound code?