San Francisco's Millennium Tower now may be sinking in the center

The engineer of the so-called fix of the troubled Millennium Tower in San Francisco recently acknowledged there’s been less than expected tilt improvement over the first six months of the $120 million project’s completion. Jaxon Van Derbeken reports.
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[@Theriodontia4945]

It seems like the gravity of this situation is starting to sink in to everyone.

[@TheRobWay1]

Hello, this is Dr Grande

[@hifijohn]

Ron hamburger got himself into quite a pickle.

[@DeadEnduro]

I was leaning towards the same conclusion

[@jimarcher5255]

I have a sinking feeling.

[@EconomicWarfare]

Nice😂

[@ketratech8165]

Leaning Tower of SF

[@Khultan]

🤣LOL

[@mikeifyouplease]

Is it leaning to the Left?

[@miket4234]

@@mikeifyoupleasemines lean to the left

[@gr8dvd]

I think you have a bright future in marketing 😀

[@LuckyBaldwin777]

More like the leaning tower of greed.

[@LuckyDuckie115]

All because the developer refused to spend another $20 million to make sure the pillars touched bedrock

[@Katie-sf7jt]

Was that all it would have cost? Wow.

[@fanatamon]

How were they allowed to not go on to bedrock?

[@pete5044]

Source?

[@user-vb8yf8be3l]

There may not be bedrock SF is built on sand and dirt@@fanatamon

[@fanatamon]

@@user-vb8yf8be3l why were they allowed to build on that.

[@Chilos49]

Their HOA is around $1700/month. What a bunch of dummies

[@pigeonhed2979]

WHAAAAAT?! For real? Good lord, that's insane...

[@anderander5662]

It's San Francisco, that's not the only crazy thing going on

[@Battleneter]

Better get in fast before they are all gone !

[@danielterry382]

Maybe if everyone started fasting 3 days per week ?

[@susangreene9662]

HOA without possibility of surrounding land or house paint issues? Outlaws with willing victims!

[@lesliepropheter5040]

What a huge grift that tower turned out to be

[@Nite2012Mare]

The engineers won AWARDS for cutting corners 😳😳

[@debrariat6884]

what a huge grift sf codes department turned out to be

[@user-fg4fr2bz5y]

I wonder if Joe Montana, Carmen Policy,and other celibrities are still living there!😮

[@willisbarth]

If it’s a grift, it might also be a graft.

[@erikanders3343]

@@debrariat6884 nope the codes allowed them to do this to themselves.

[@Bretware904]

Yep, many engineers said the slab would break because its not designed to be under tension....

[@fanatamon]

Yeh and concretes tensile ability is shiiit.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

From what I understand, the current foundation was designed for a much lighter building. Somewhere in the process, the more expensive higher-tech materials they originally intended on using were scrapped in favor of using less expensive and much heavier materials. The design they went with should have necessitated going down to bedrock, and that would have been end of story.

[@elizabethwitt2621]

​​@@TVHouseHistoriantrying to save $5M cost them like $100M...so far. Idiots. This building is going to be something that haunts all involved for eternity and will put them all out of business with repairs and lawsuits. An earthquake will take that building out. How are they (and the crooked city) going to live with all that blood on their hands? Note to self: When building a skyscraper do it right from the start. Cheap, crooked, thieving bastards.

[@GailUrge-vq6qn]

Sounds like those States that are undergoing Democrat Party control like California, New York and Texas. They are going to break because those States are not designed to be under tension and stress from Democrat Party policies and corruption.

[@rodstarcke5423]

They should just condemn it to prevent another Surfside type collapse.

[@thurlravenscroft2572]

Yeah

[@tqlla]

Sometimes you have to abandon a sinking ship, no matter how much it cost. This needs to be torn down, before something terrible happens.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

Who pays for the teardown?

[@tqlla]

@@TVHouseHistorian the city. These plans must have gone through some approval, and The builders already settled out. It’s either tear it down now, or let the building collapse and destroy the area around it.

[@TVHouseHistorian]

@@tqlla I agree something drastic has to be done. However, it’s not the city alone who bears this financial burden. It’s the taxpayers who are on the hook for this mess.

[@tqlla]

@@TVHouseHistorian Unfortunately, I believe the Builder already settled litigation, so I dont think they will have any more liabilities. So yes, its on the tax payers. If this building collapses catastrophically, their will be a much larger bill and the cost could be lives.

[@HobbyOrganist]

The idiots who didnt design or build it right from the start.@@TVHouseHistorian

[@ShakespeareCafe]

The immense weight of the concrete and steel building is bearing down hard on re-claimed bay mud with the bedrock below shaking its head

[@Lizwindsor]

Genius americans 🙄

[@danieldanieldadada]

That's every building in Mexico City

[@rac1061]

@@LizwindsorWe were smart enough to overthrow the brits so…..

[@MrScaryLemonHead]

@@Lizwindsor you colonize the world… then cry about migrants….

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@rac1061not smart enough to get rid of spaniards.

[@demonatemu]

bruh just tear it down and turn it into a nice park they cut corners and who's stupid enough to buy/rent it now even if you paid me I wouldn't live in there

[@sandozdelysid]

That was my comment! We'll call the park "the bald patch" and say its due a receding skyline. We'll throw a couple raves between demo and park construction, it'll be great!

[@jdos5643]

Or built that park and built the tower elsewhere where the ground is stable

[@markat9576]

Seeing how the park would be in San Francisco it would make a lovely place for a new tent city full of homeless drug addicted psychopaths. I can see the blue tarps stretching from chain link fences already.

[@goldbrick2563]

What if they paid you 500 million tho?

[@j.griffin]

@@goldbrick2563 Yeah,sure- but only if they gave me an emergency 1 hour time machine… But that’s not going to happen,either.

[@mattkramer4132]

This is turning out to be an ultra-super slow moving 1970s disaster movie starring the likes of Charlton Heston and Lorne Greene.

[@netram28]

Co-starring Karen Black and Valerie Perrine!

[@timbrown8038]

They'll take a strap and a office chair and get Lorne to safety.

[@tinto278]

It makes great content.

[@Mike-qo8nm]

Even the cracks are now gone because of all the duct tape we used

[@sclogse1]

Hey, if it was good enough for the astronauts...

[@OublietteTight]

"Handy man's secret weapon" Red Green

[@attackb5349]

FLEX SEAL!

[@elizabethwitt2621]

Oh, good! I feel so much better now. Duct tape does fix everything.

[@HeadNtheClouds]

It’s OK, they used some Flex Seal tape 😂

[@nz6241]

one factor remains constant...that its sinking lol

[@larrybruce4856]

One would have thought the designers, builders, and construction companies would have learned from the 1980 earthquake where buildings that were built on "fill" collapsed. The Marina District buildings on "fill" were destroyed while others NOT built on "fill" still were standing.

[@nz6241]

@@larrybruce4856 sheer stupidity or greed. Landfill always have greater possibility of liquification under a big earthquake, but they chose to ignore that in favor of huge profit, imho.

[@willisbarth]

In slow motion and the tension is quantifiable.

[@Freshbott2]

@@nz6241I’d say greed. Stupidity suggests ignorance. They lied and withheld and the motivation was a few million dollars on a 350 million dollar project. Then again, arrogance is a type of stupidity so maybe a bit of both.

[@nz6241]

@@Freshbott2 Yes I remember that they sidestepped some foundation work that was only 5 million dollars to build the foundation / footing of the building prior to building on top, and this is what happened.

[@yonusa72]

Engineering failure, and they’re making it worse. all because the contractor got greedy over 4 million in a 220million contract

[@Leopold3131]

This is actually on the engineer, not the contractor. The engineer signed off on friction piles. And the friction piles are performing exactly as expected, which is to say, they aren’t performing.

[@Therealw1]

@@Leopold3131You act as if he'd just fire himself by declining so they could hire another engineer to do the same thing.

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

talked to an engineer about the sinking sides and now center. 1/10 of an inch sinking is not much, but dishing and cracking is significant. This building is going to collapse without notice and become one of the deadliest tragedies in American history.

[@Zambineaux305]

What I was thinking. I wouldn’t go near 2 miles of that place. People remember what happened to the apartment building in Surfside, FL And that was only a 12-story building. Imagine a skyscraper 😮

[@trevorjensen2706]

Interesting prediction.

[@rafael_lana]

If you really talked to an engineer he would say that there will be plenty of notice (the cracks being a significant one). Should they schedule regular inspections, we will know when it's too dangerous to go in. What can't happen is expect the people who rent it to do it properly, authorities have to be on their neck the entire time.

[@tw8464]

Yeah it sounds like it's destabilized and the foundation is compromised

[@AJXOXO-vz1pn]

@@Zambineaux305 it will go crack, crack, crack, BOOM! Break! This isn’t linear. Some cracks are small. Some cracks are large, but eventually the big one is going to break. There won’t be notice thatit will happen in 2 weeks and you have time to get your stuff out. It will just happen. And when it does, do you want to be 50 floors up?

[@khunopie9159]

New SF Tourist Attraction: _The Sinking Tower Of Hamburger_

[@AuroraBoarder1]

No steak in this Hamburger!

[@yamamancha]

This is such a fascinating story. No way I'd buy, invest, or live anywhere near there.

[@michaelwells7348]

Ya moms got 5 times what she paid in the 15 years she owned there- 500% not bad 😅

[@Mrbfgray]

Metaphor for a city rotten at the core and collapsing, as well as Salesforce ESG, DEI....

[@Mrbfgray]

@@michaelwells7348 Cut that in half for inflation, still not bad.

[@norwegianblue2017]

I read the banks stopped lending on all commercial real estate loans in SF. Same for small business loans.

[@jdos5643]

At this point that tower just need to be vacated and removed all the way and the money returned to the tenants there. It’s tilting it’s sinking. It was built on unstable foundation of rubble and dump.

[@rocketraccoon1976]

I've got a sinking feeling about this... 😐

[@mikeifyouplease]

Yep! It's not lifting anyone's spirit.

[@SoundofSilence492]

😮😉🤣

[@JEEDUHCHRI]

You can lean on me if things get shaky.

[@WillLeingang]

😂

[@willisbarth]

At least when it falls the debris won’t fly in circles just above the ground. 🤷🏻‍♂

[@aguynamedscott11]

The Millennium Tower just never had the same opportunities as the older towers and deserves more support.

[@anderander5662]

I think all the money they spent on it qualifies as reparations

[@wjohn9778]

Tilting 29" , just like walking up a hill, in the City! What a way to get exercise, just walk to to other side of the room!

[@ryanbarker5217]

what kind of earthquake is it going to take to knock this debacle over? isn't that the question we all really have?

[@erikanders3343]

likely will not take an earthquake, wind and pressure will do it first

[@susangreene9662]

Not much on the Richter Scale.

[@ryanbarker5217]

@@susangreene9662 we can ask hamburger, and whatever he says we know that number will be wrong, so that should help narrow it down....

[@xxxpensive1415]

😮 don't say that 😭

[@jessiejoseph1093]

I was around when that was being built. The architects and engineers would send out press releases about the construction progress on the foundation. They crowed about it, they boasted and taunted us with their greatness. And this is the result. They spent too much time patting themselves on the back and not enough time on spec check.

[@amaizeing.dumbass5123]

How old it is in comparison with the other buildings in the zone? I heard that there's, both older and newer, taller skyscrapers that have better foundings around there

[@TheIHVPNetwork]

believably unbelievable. I've worked in this industry for nearly half a century. Every city and project will always need someone like myself in those weekly meetings keeping these guys levelheaded & asking "what-if scenario" questions and having them on record---of which they hate. They're the cockiest people(architects and engineers) you've never met. Almost like guitar players. ;-)

[@jessiejoseph1093]

@@amaizeing.dumbass5123 That is all true. The building was complete in 2009.

[@crisissocoylike446]

Are you a q.a.?

[@chupacabra3331]

You’re not putting in a shed. It needed to go to bedrock to be stable long term. Are the engineers getting dumber lately or is it just me? They’re the ones we’re supposed to be counting on the most to check and recheck the math and safety factors.

[@petertwiss356]

This building is great for dogs. Balls roll on their own

[@MysticWizardOfMind]

They swing left and right too! And during penetration, they bounce up and down like a fun bag!

[@PlumbNutz]

It's a real good thing we don't have any earthquakes that could finish it off in this part of the country.

[@dylanmccallister1888]

A lot of buildings i dont trust built there recently like 181 fremont. They are all standing on bay mud and sand. There is this thing called liquefaction, it does not take a very high moisture content in the soil with all that weight on top of it in an earthquake. and a lot of skyscrapers have been built since the 89 and 94 quakes so we dont know whats going to happen. Imagine a 1906 sized quake hits SF tomorrow. The whole downtown is going to look like a nuke went off

[@traildoggy]

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.

[@citylimits8927]

When they come to a fork in the road, they may have to take it! Are there any other applicable Yogi Berra-isms out there? (Actually, Berra did not originate the one on theory vs. practice.)

[@soaringvulture]

@@citylimits8927 I always thought that it was too sophisticated for Yogi.

[@danasmith858]

I thought practice made perfect?

[@Denastus]

​@@danasmith858practice makes permanent. There's no such thing as perfection.

[@AmsterdamHeavy]

this saga is so hilarious

[@user-kf4wh9qo5i]

As I recall, the problem of the leaning tower was known while units were being sold. That means, there are owners who spent millions on this thing knowingly.

[@arcanondrum6543]

"was known" by whom? Where does the R.E, Agent fit that detail in during the showing exactly?

[@elizabethwitt2621]

It was known, but I would venture not disclosed to potential buyers. No one in their right mind would have bought there knowing this.

[@annenelson5656]

@@elizabethwitt2621 Not disclosing that is so illegal in California. I hope they all lose their real estate licenses. Not that I have much sympathy for the buyers though.

[@johnhmielewski1230]

TIMBER!!!

[@goldgeologist5320]

“The overall situation is very complex”. Best quote of this year!

[@joeblow1688]

Let me simplify it for him. The building is sinking.

[@Canary2019]

We had a midrise building sinking in the center recently here in Chicago. Perhaps they need to get a hold of the engineers that fixed the one here.

[@user-pw3ji3rn3s]

Gee the guys who were paid millions to fix this were "overly optimistic". Shocking!

[@justayoutuber1906]

In SF everything leans a bit to the left

[@OLDMANTEA]

That depends on where you’re looking from

[@NextNate03]

It's better then the right trying to overthrow the government on January 6th.

[@pushslice]

@@OLDMANTEA To all of us standing on firm ground, it…. is leaning left.

[@tomevers6670]

@@OLDMANTEAIt only looks normal if you’re looking from the Castro.

[@Rightly_Divided]

@@tomevers6670 Everything looks normal when you are looking from Castro

[@IamNiggler]

'can I pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today"

[@mplsmark222]

Oh Wimpy. Maybe the only thing can save the MT is Popeye and his cans of spinach.

[@willisbarth]

Exactly.

[@kenchorney2724]

That's some quality engineering right there.

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

About like China's

[@stevenjuranovich2971]

It can be “Re-imagined” into the Leaning Tower of Feces😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@animejanai4657]

The sewer and water pipes to the tower must be under great strain as the tower moves. Maybe future news about a sewer or water line leak will be the signal that sinking is continuing.

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

🤣😂🤣

[@borisbadaxe9678]

In response, the city of San Francisco has declared that they will no longer allow skyscrapers to be built out of paper mache.

[@hypsyzygy506]

Prawn Cracker skyscrapers are fine, though.

[@elizabethwitt2621]

Smart choice and no fixing giant cracks with duct tape anymore.

[@bonitobonita9263]

Isn’t it too dangerous to keep that building in the middle of the town?

[@KingSally92]

Downtown SF is pretty much landfill so yeah.

[@bartonpercival3216]

Yup, everything East of Kearny street is landfill!!!! 👍

[@ho7092]

Not really - more deaths for the city = more insurance claims and fear, resulting in more power for politicians.

[@jessiejoseph1093]

Yep, but imagine the cost of tearing it down. Honestly, I would not want to live or work anywhere around there.

[@erikanders3343]

Its not even the tallest in the area, just 2 blocks is the much larger and taller Salesforce tower. However it was build properly, this building was not.

[@boombasett6038]

You couldn't pay me enough to live that high up ! No way.

[@spankyharland9845]

this is what happens when they build a heavy skyscraper on sand. If you look at maps of San Francisco back in the 1800's that area use to be a watery bay swamp.

[@rafael_lana]

Except there is taller buildings literally across the street that are fine. We know how to build things on bad soil, the problem here was greedy cost cutting to deliver the minimal viable product. Had they built a deeper, proper, pricier foundation nothing would've happened.

[@willisbarth]

@@rafael_lana the building that went mud surfing,

[@poodlescone9700]

Sand is not the problem. It is the building on a free floating slab foundation instead of being anchored to the bedrock with piles.

[@erikanders3343]

its not sand, its landfill. everything from two blocks west of this building to the waterfront is all landfill and build up from the 1800's and early 1900's.

[@Rightly_Divided]

Matthew 7:24-27 King James Version 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Old knowledge

[@satyricon65]

Gravity doesn't sleep. SF is fighting a losing battle.

[@mikeifyouplease]

The largest, slowest down elevator in San Francisco.

[@OublietteTight]

Hahaha

[@mikehagmaier3949]

That’s a good one

[@naekosl3059]

Does Millenium Tower still have its earthquake safety rating? At what point will it need to be re-qualified? Or is the city not daring to touch that issue with the cracked foundation?

[@elizabethwitt2621]

The duct tape should have fixed that, so no need to worry. All good here.

[@anderander5662]

Most luxurious and expensive too

[@paulsz6194]

0:56 : " that projection was overly optimistic " is a nicer way of saying " we got it wrong"…🤣

[@specterman2000]

Millennium Tower?!!! Well it's been a short thousand years!

[@dougtaylor7724]

Things designed to last a thousand years rarely do. Ask a dude name Adolf.

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@forexed8948]

This is a disaster waiting to happen San Fran, deal with it before the tower causes a domino effect, and needless loss of life

[@ahuras238]

i think too much bribe money already exchanged hands to do the right thing

[@erikanders3343]

@@ahuras238 no bribe, this design was allowed because it was on the builders head to make a quality building and the investors to insist on it. pure capitalism is to blame here

[@emafrancisco1808]

It can take more lives than 9/11?

[@forexed8948]

What do you think happens when a tall sky scraper falls onto another building?@@emafrancisco1808

[@erikanders3343]

@@emafrancisco1808 not likely; there are 419 residential units, but 53 of those units in the smaller tower... so lets say 2 people per, but most are empty. so thats 732 people total. What happens it it falls? It will impact a mostly vacant Sales force auxiliary building that is 24 stores tall. Lets say its a big week and people are in their offices on an RTO office day (most people come into the office once or twice a week max in SF)... so say 1000 people may be in the building tops, perhaps 50% fatality rate to be generous. You are looking at 1200 is people tops, far below the 2,977 victims

[@jpstairs]

Ron Hamburger sounds like a real stand up guy

[@PaulAllen786]

😂 I am so confused how that is a real last name.

[@jpstairs]

das boot@@PaulAllen786

[@Retrovorious]

@@PaulAllen786Hamburg is a town in Germany, maybe he’s from there. The town is where we got the name for the sandwich.

[@hypsyzygy506]

Hamburger is out of his depth.

[@davidyoung1610]

@@PaulAllen786 Imagine if his middle name was McDonald.

[@bcatbb2896]

i wonder how strong a earthquake needs to be to make that tower topple, it cant be that high since its already tilted

[@trevorjensen2706]

I think the tower itself would be fine, especially because it, like other tall buildings, us designed to sway in a major earthquake.

[@bcatbb2896]

@@trevorjensen2706 maybe, who knows. im suspecting the foundation would be compromised since it wasn't meant to be like this because who in their right mind would design a titled tower

[@bartonpercival3216]

I got 2 to 1 odds a 6.8 quake will take it down!!!!!!! Bet 👍

[@larrybruce4856]

This building appears to be crumbling under its own weight. Windows cracking, marble siding splitting, separation between foundation and sidewalks. What does that tell you ??? Now that the exterior facade defects have been covered up and repaired, the center of the building is sinking. It seem like it's just a matter of time before this is a pile of rubble.

[@magicunicorn6535]

During an earthquake, sandy soil shakes harder than other types, as does fill. Much of SF's land near the bay is filled-in marshland. During the 1971 Sylmar earthquake, the Veterans Admin. hospital came down because much of Sylmar is located on an alluvial fan - an area where sand has washed out of the nearby mountains for thousands of years. It's crazy that they didn't at least drill the support pilings down into bedrock for that building. It's a prime example of the importance of doing something right the first time, not trying to fix it later.

[@fixedit8689]

Some officials and inspectors are sweating

[@juju-xx5xn]

Big time.

[@VitalityMassage]

Lean on me. When you're not strong...

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

🤣😂🤣

[@thegoldengatesound]

Structures built on fill-over-Bay mud often settle more, sometimes faster, than other soil types. Underpinning one side only stabilizes that immediate side (FD) especially if they created new point loads like he’s saying. I played an geotechnical engineer in my highschool play 100 years ago trust me I know what I’m talking about What a disaster

[@jimarcher5255]

Actually you seem more qualified than the engineers of record.

[@ScribblyPoppo]

You're 118! I played a mathematician in a high school play in 1776.

[@Denastus]

​@@ScribblyPoppo😂😂😂

[@mortyrosenstein4211]

Let’s be real. We all know how this ends. No one is going to take responsibility and do the right thing here because it’s too expensive and possibly too late. The only solution is somehow redoing the foundation and driving pilings to bedrock. Considering there is now a building on the foundation, the cost would be very high. So instead, no one is going to do anything as everyone blames each other. There is 2 possible outcomes here. The building collapses and everyone rushes to avoid blame and make the claim that it was impossible to see this coming. The building tilts so much that living in it becomes impossible no matter what they attempt. And then once it’s condemned, no one takes responsibility for cleaning it up, and it eventually falls over. Either way, the outcome will be the same. That building is gonna collapse someday and every singly person involved will claim how shocked and surprised they are, and that it’s not their fault.

[@Surfclub23]

We call it the American way. Now go give more money to Israel

[@JohnD-JohnD]

I feel bad for anyone who bought property in that building. Get out while you can.

[@kenmoreSF]

why feel bad? They are millionaires and they're probably doing ok.

[@JohnD-JohnD]

@@kenmoreSF You don't know if they are millionaires or not. Also, why would that exclude them from having the same struggles as everyone else?

[@Jude74]

The building needs to be deconstructed. The majority of reputable engineers have said the same thing.

[@Ronydoo-yv2hs]

This is an embarrassing way of construction. There is no way to save it. San Francisco is gonna get a rude awakening.

[@NextNate03]

They are the 1s who owns the tower? 😂

[@Ronydoo-yv2hs]

@NextNate03 man, you seem less intelligent. It's in San francisco, Duh!!! The city always inspects every building for safety. They missed out on this from the beginning. 🙄🤦‍♂️ no wonder the city is on decline. There's dummies running it.

[@Ronydoo-yv2hs]

@NextNate03 they built it there. They should have known. But the city is full of dumb people around.

[@georgiaguardian4696]

It’s simply too HEAVY!

[@InCountry6970]

The original design was for a steel structure and then after the current foundation was finished, the designer/owner changed it to a concrete building, which weighs almost twice as much. A concrete building is cheaper than a steel structure. That was their first step toward this problem

[@markaruski]

Next, on an all-new "Engineering Disasters"!

[@elizabethwitt2621]

🤣🤣 Sad, funny and true.

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

🤣😂🤣

[@MiC-T]

It's not sinking, it's settling. Just call it something different and it's ok.

[@mdmoz1777]

Sounds like a local .gov policy.

[@bartonpercival3216]

Yup, don't call them homeless, call them un-housed!!!! 😱😱😱

[@erikanders3343]

@@bartonpercival3216 no there is a reason for the two terms. Unhoused is anyone who does not have permanent residence, so those couch surfing, RV living or staying in motels or hotels long term. Homeless are those without any shelter or who are sleeping rough.

[@OublietteTight]

Joke.... if only semantics could solve the problem? 😮

[@erikanders3343]

@@OublietteTight its not semantics ... do you know what that word actually means? Its literally a different word for the different scope of an issue. The homeless are a subset of the large unhoused. If you can't define the issue then you can't actually address it.

[@joncozzi1701]

Wow,! This is going really well.

[@Indomitablespirit108]

The great thing is nothing will happen to the shady developers! No accountability is what makes America Great!

[@mikeprice4103]

Not in doni's case!

[@TheIHVPNetwork]

VERY Good point! I'll add this insight to my pile of letters to legislators. Every now & then in the commentary section, the truth comes out, but those that really need to "hear it" isn't paying attention, nor care. I do. Thank you!

[@robertmartin7890]

So true!

[@elizabethwitt2621]

Yep, just ask Trump.

[@findingmo7049]

Are the residents trying to get out and sell their apartments at a loss? Will the landlord have difficulty finding office tenants?. Do the elevators also lean to the left by 29 inches? The bathrooms too? So many questions!

[@ahuras238]

I think last year the tenants were complaining about the water/sewer lines getting messed up by the tilt and causing overflows.

[@OublietteTight]

Well shit! Hahaha Picturing toilets and tubs leaning. Can they market them as infinity pools?

[@DemPilafian]

Landlord? Ha. Ha. That's *NOT* an apartment building. Those are condos.

[@findingmo7049]

@@DemPilafianI didn’t know it’s 100% condos. Many buildings have a business tenants on some floors.

[@BrokeDadProductions]

People are still purchasing….. Over the last 180 days, 6 Condos have been reported as sold in MILLENNIUM TOWER SAN FRANCISCO. Final sale price ranged from $558,000 up to $4,000,000 pending possible revisions. The median sale price was $1,200,000 with a median Price Per Square Foot of $811. With currently 12 active listings, the absorption rate for this community is approximately 12 months of inventory. More than four months supply of Condos for sale means it's a buyers market and some sellers may be motivated.

[@yourmumsy1081]

this tower is gonna fall someday

[@Cravatron]

arent all?

[@johnsonwellmcd3223]

This one sooner@@Cravatron

[@susangreene9662]

And take others with it. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it.

[@LotsofStuffYT]

What happens to a leaning building during a 7+ earthquake?

[@johngarbarini1048]

Plus, the average annual costs of owning an apt. in the building is $50K, when you add in Common fees and property taxes. Get out while you can!

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

The only way to get out is to walk away and turn it over to the bank.

[@elizabethwitt2621]

​@@LoveClassicMusic0205For real. It's worthless.

[@Truckngirl]

This is the gift that keeps on giving!

[@charleslanphier8094]

Whether it's a little one story house or a giant skyscraper the fundamentals of weight transfer and keeping water out remain essentially the same.

[@ScribblyPoppo]

When you hire a guy named Hamburger to fix the problem...

[@michaelhaidee]

Duct tape and some hot glue will fix it...

[@videomaniac108]

I think that the dishing and cracking are likely consequences of the asymmetric load placed on the foundation slab with its 18 rigid columns attached to the two sides and anchored to bedrock. Torsional stresses acting upward on the points of attachment of the pillars to the slab would cause flexing of the slab upward and tensile stress on the bottom side of the slab, possibly overcoming the prestressed compressive stress in the slab. This might then cause the concrete to crack and the slab to further deform. A symmetrical arrangement of pillars to bedrock might not have reversed the tilt but might have arrested the further progress of the tilting. Trying to reverse the tilt of such a tall and heavy building would require such a large moment of force(torque) acting across the base of the slab that the structural integrity of the slab might not be able to support it. Being concrete, the slab can bear enormous loads in compression, but not tension.

[@tehallanaz]

Somehow i remember some old guy saying this would happen

[@hypsyzygy506]

Isn't it mentioned in the Bible?

[@Crismodin]

Just hire a specialized Japanese company that can dissassemble the building safely.

[@sclogse1]

Just.

[@Crismodin]

@@sclogse1 k

[@emptiester]

Who exactly is doing that hiring?

[@Crismodin]

​@@emptiester Well, I can assure you the owners of the building don't want to hire anyone to do that. They'd rather play games for the next 1-40 years until the building is condemned and then I imagine it will sit vacant until a new owner can be found if ever and then to answer this question - no one will do that hiring because in this country we don't believe in safety. We believe in money. Best case scenario, the city takes the building via legal route and then pays for the deconstruction of the entire building. The alternative is that someone, eventually the city, will foot the bill for massive repairs that will not be sustainable and we'll probably just end up at the exact same conclusion except with a much larger price tag to boot. Good luck trying to get the public to understand these concepts, they only care about the now, they don't care who has to deal with it in the future just as long as it's not them but don't worry - they'll be complaining the entire time no matter what.

[@susangreene9662]

One of my nephews is a deconstruction expert.

[@elmolewis9123]

If his parents of the Structural Engineer would have had a sense of humor, they would have named him Chuck.

[@Knucklehead4400]

2/25/24 internet winner of the month

[@larrydanadavid2435]

No matter which way you lean on this situation, it’s a tipping point.

[@leemi-cha3229]

My sister sent me a link to this video. She had the thought, “This can’t be tofu dreg. This isn’t China, it’s America!” Then… “It’s Hamburger dreg!” Irony intended

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

😂🤣😂

[@ThatOpalGuy]

Sinking in the Middle..sounds like a good FOX sitcom.

[@2TROLL1]

What way was the wind blowing when they did that last measurement of the building tilt

[@gavincurtis]

On the next “Seconds from Disaster”…

[@BakedRBeans]

"Fascinating Horror" will do it first.

[@BCSchmerker]

+NBCBayAreaNews *Thanks for the heads up on an architectural problem.* Specifically, dishing in the foundation.

[@BCSchmerker]

*Addition:* The Millennium Tower is a candidate for telescoping the next exceptional quake on the San Andreas (a strike-slip fault), or any thrust fault intercepting the San Andreas within 200 km.

[@jlacson74]

Shim it up.

[@roachtoasties]

I don't know how this will end up, but I would have had more faith in Ronald McDonald than in Ronald Hamburger, in designing a solution to this.

[@Chuck1284-]

I imagine Ron Hamburger is having trouble finding work in his field of endeavor, when you're a structural engineer that screws up a $100M+ high rise 3-4 times the phone will stop ringing.

[@berkeleyfuller-lewis3442]

Yep, his career is "hamburger."

[@elizabethwitt2621]

One would think, but he's probably got plenty of work.

[@paulc6471]

This represents San Francisco so well

[@tonymanero5544]

True. Just like the East Palestine Ohio train wreck represents MAGA and Ohio State Government.

[@malama_ka_aina]

The disclosures for anyone buying a condo in this tower must be interesting to say the least

[@shubhashishagarwal135]

Yay !!! Why I am not surprised !!! This tower is now so news-worthy

[@dougtaylor7724]

Most ignored ad in California: For Sale-Millennium Tower Space

[@ricco0911]

That building is living the mantra of San Francisco. It’s all sinking into oblivion.

[@chrismaggio7879]

It's time for some Flex Seal tape!

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

That shit don't work, I tried it!!

[@chrismaggio7879]

But he says it works on TV! So since they can't lie when advertising a product it MUST work! Gotta go, QVC is having a sale on a lock of Yul Brenner's hair.@@lynsylva-bb6ss

[@edp2260]

Their chief engineer's name is 'Hamburger'. I rest my case.

[@ryanporter1819]

😂

[@Smart-Towel-RG-400]

Ron hamburger at that

[@ShaneMorris1986]

I’m not worried about it unless an earthquake happens. Does SF get many of those?

[@mplsmark222]

I don’t know, I’ve never heard of anything like that happening.😊

[@juju-xx5xn]

The Great San Francisco Earthquake in 1906. Magnitude 7.7 - 7.9. Destroyed the city. Google it. Catastrophic. The city is right next to the San Andreas Fault.

[@sclogse1]

Not many. It's been a pretty quiet 118 years.

[@andytran1603]

@@sclogse1 have you forgotten about the 1989 earthquake?

[@BL-yj2wp]

@@andytran1603 Which means the next big one is probably a couple decades away, they might come to their senses and tear this building down before that … might.

[@RaymondHng]

Lawsuit time again.

[@HamalaKarris2024]

If San Francisco was a building.

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

That's good!! 😂🤣

[@pavelromanenko3718]

This is a concern for all of California where housing "experts" are arguing we need to build up instead of building in green field spaces.

[@jeffreybryan5591]

Just do it right and STOP BEING GREEDY EVERYBODY!

[@tstahler5420]

It has a lean of 3 feet, what good is correcting 4 inches?

[@User5_]

Fitting for the city

[@SoundofSilence492]

Yes. My dream city of the 80s, the one I would’ve given anything to have been able to move to. Now in such disrepair, I won’t even visit.

[@tomservo5007]

long time ago, the engineer and whoever approved this would have been jailed

[@oneone5028]

Sounds like a metaphor for the city of San Francisco itself

[@waynemerlo7448]

The left is sinking the world.

[@jaysonpida5379]

Of course 'foundation' engineers knew about these problems before serious vertical construction began...you know they did. Between this and the unfinished & abandoned high-rises in Los Angeles...there's some foul-smelling corruption and pay-offs occurring at the top-levels of city & state government...

[@Glowsaphinebaker]

Who knew KZbin had so many architects and engineers

[@grammadee94]

There's NO WAY I'd be anywhere near that building.

[@jrap170]

Two options to fix. 1. Build a tower next to the leaning one to stop it from leaning more. 3. Place a huge trampoline

[@lynsylva-bb6ss]

Fkg hilarious!! 🤣😂

[@ashishpatel350]

The soil is not acting like it was predicted? Has sf thought about taxing the soil? 😂

[@TheControl124]

Rich people problems

[@juju-xx5xn]

It will become an everyone problem if the inevitable happens. Everyone involved will be sued. The city will be sued. Big time. And that means taxpayers are going to pay. It's an everybody problem.