SAND OFF ROAD TEST part 2 - Land Rover Defender 90 vs Defender 110, Wide MT vs Narrow MT Tyres

[@LandRoverDrive]

Who likes being out with friends driving off-road?? 🤙😁 Me me me me me me me 🤙 Anyone else? 🤔😁

[@Agent.K.]

Definitely me! But all my friends want to park their cars and come with me in my car 🤦‍♂️

[@mcfobossan]

Simon what's new with Erik's L322?

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey man, I know there is a couple of things. Will have to make an update video I think. Just got a snap from him of him working on a mechanical issue. :)

[@mcfobossan]

I started looking those l322's after yours video 😅

[@erikiversen4497]

@@mcfobossan oh, I'm sorry to have caused you that pain...😯🙈 No but really, the L322 has been doing Great! Also Nice to have a petrol engine when temperatures has been minus 20C for the past Four weeks...😉

[@PLAYINGAROUND]

Just watched up to 6.5 min's so far and the one difference when you reach the softer sand at the top of the climb, apart from Oran's wider tyres meaning more contact patch, is that Oran uses less right foot. Simon, you may need a little extra right foot due to the extra weight of the 110, but go a little easier on it.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Yeah one not sure what happened there, but as I mentioned I suspect the stone had a big thing to say about me driving up. But my MT tires being narrow with a pretty fresh tread, combined with the extra 200kg, cuts up the top layer on the sand sending it downwards.

[@joerileijs9970]

Hi Simon, Not sure if you talked about this before. But I wonder what the bag is that hangs on the handrail at the back door driver side. Is it a first aid kit?

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey Joeri, that’s correct. Easy to get to if someone gets hurt and easy for others to find if they need to get it. 👍 I got a spare one from my Norwegian Home Guard service, and it for a lot of great stuff for what a first responder would need. 😊

[@LandRoverDrive]

Great question btw. 😉

[@paulsehstedt6275]

Så fin en start på en søndag! Godt at se, at I hygger jer derude.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hærlig å høre Paul. 👍😁 Glad jeg kan bidra til en god søndag. Det er alltid hygge å dra ut å kjøre med gutta. 👌Jeg skulle bare ønske vi kunne ha gjort det enda oftere. 😊 Har dere slike områder i Danmark?

[@overnighter]

That's a super unscientific test, though I enjoyed watching 2 Defenders 👍🏻

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hehe, no Nobel prize for this study for sure. :) Gives a bit of insight, but mostly fun. :)

[@ronaldrrootiii6040]

I drive a discovery series 2 with 2in lift and everyone tells me to go skinnier from my 285-75-16s but when I look at them they really aren't super wide they are just wider than really skinny kind. I see a lot of Jeep drivers over here where I live that have much wider tires than me so I feel like mine are the skinnier kind. I don't doubt the science behind skinnier being better but my problem is what if there is too skinny? What if 255 85 16 is wanting to dig more than my 285 75 maybe mine are skinny enough? When the truck is parked and you look they don't look super wide like I said they just look whiter than some of the super skinny kind but compared to all the Jeeps they look skinny what do you think? I just want the best traction and sometimes I feel like maybe mine are optimal since the Jeep guys call them skinny and the Land Rover guys call them wide maybe they are just perfect in the middle? I would be afraid to go skinnier and then start digging because right now with how wide they are they never slip because they are too wide they always catch traction perfect even first year going up really deep blue stuff slow. I get the idea about skinny I just get worried that sometimes people don't take into context the weight of the vehicle and they keep saying skinnier skinnier skinnier when maybe I have skinny enough

[@LandRoverDrive]

I would choose the size depending on what you are using the car for most. And if you like the look of a bit wider tie then keep the wider tire. If your really want to float on like snow, you would have to go up to at least some wide 35”s. Still those won’t float in all conditions. Check out the Arctic trucks in Iceland, they got some wide 44”s made for floating. 😉 When it comes to traction the length of the track left behind is the key, not the width, and depending on what you drive through the narrow tire will plow through while the wider will push more mud or snow in front of it if it can’t float. 😊 The 255/85-16 just gave the Defender the perfect allrounder, so nice to drive when overlanding/touring and enough grip when off-roading for my easy going off-roaring. Less fuel usage and the gearing was still okay. If you are in doubt, use up the tires you have now and then go narrower next time if you not quite happy with your current setup. 👍😊

[@ronaldrrootiii6040]

@@LandRoverDrive oh yeah totally I agree with all of that! Yeah I'll probably just stick with this size. So far it's done so well and when I really look at the truck from behind they don't look super wide I just know they are considered wide in the Disco world. It's funny how the science behind why didn't narrow makes perfect sense but people set the Benchmark based on what can fit. Like a Jeep Rubicon that weighs as much as my Disco would consider these Narrows simply because his fenders fit bigger. That's where I kind of started overthinking like I wanted what's actually optimal regardless of trimming to fit or not. And when I hear of the Old Timers going super skinny I keep reminding myself all of those vehicles or over a thousand pounds lighter usually

[@larsolavramstad3567]

Interessant og rettferdig. Jeg tenkte først at bilene var svært ulike, men det er de ikke. 200 Tdi har vel 250 nm, og Td5 har 300 nm, men dette blir spist opp av større vekt, så sammenligningen er helt ok.

[@erikiversen4497]

Lars Olav, det er vel nesten vekten som er den største forskjellen på disse to nå? 90'n veier vel kanskje nesten 200kg mindre? Og kjenner jeg Simon rett så har han vel også 100 kg med verktøy og utstyr bak i bilen i tillegg, mens Ørjan sin 90 så ganske tom ut...🙈🙂 Det merkes nok godt i den bratte grusen.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Ja, tenker det ble ganske bra sammenligning. Helt klart vært enda bedre om vi hadde byttet dekk underveis. Får se om får det til en annen gang. 👍😁 Tror Ørjan sin er tunet litt og så de er ganske likestilt med tanke på kraft. Merker TD5 liker litt høyere turtall for å ikke dø ut når det blir bratt.

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@erikiversen4497 Hehe, vekta har noe å si ja, men har faktiske bare verktøy og maxtrax denne gangen. 😱😱

[@larsolavramstad3567]

@@erikiversen4497 , men husk også på at her er det Tdi med 250Nm mot Td5 med 300Nm. Derfor mente jeg at dette var tilnærmet rettferdig.

[@LandRoverDrive]

De er bra lik disse to ja når de kommer til krefter. Vi har testet det en del ganger nå på tur. :)

[@brackipas]

Wider is never better. The length of the footprint is what matters. Tyre pressure is the key.

[@LandRoverDrive]

So very true! 🙂👍 But overall your surface area does matter if the ground is semisolid, as you won't dig your self down. That's why I think Ørjan had the upper hand her and the fact that I had not aired down. 😅😅

[@adamdisco426]

Hi Simon, Enjoyed the second part of your video. A little off topic but do anyone of you use a night diesel heater in your vehicles? Apologies if this has been asked or covered before.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey, when we go overlanding you mean?

[@LandRoverDrive]

And nothing is off topic or can’t be asked again on this channel. 😉

[@adamdisco426]

@@LandRoverDrive hi. Yes to when you go overlanding. Am thinking of getting one and would be interested to to hear your opinions especially as your climate is a lot colder than ours. ( UK)

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey Adam, we don't got them actually. Only regular webasto for me and Ørjan in our Discovery 3 and 4. We haven't needed it yet, but we always drive more than we camp. That will change this year so I will be looking into the same. I see other overlanders in Norway doing different solutions. One with built in with exhaust going out of the car, often Defenders. And others have their own box, like aluminum box with the heater in, which they place on the ground and take the warm air pipe into their roof top tents. I will do some more research on this this year as I find "living" is the worst part when overlanding in the cold. Not driving, making food at the fire, but just regular living. Will see what I will do. I have seen some handy gass-heaters too so there is a lot of options. Sorry I can't help out more, but hopefully I can later in the year.

[@WizzardPrang]

That's a great off road site. I think I recognise that hill near the end from your winter snow video? Those new tyre make all the difference. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@LandRoverDrive]

It sure is! Same area indeed. It's so great to have place to go play but we don't do it enough. Should be a 2021 goal I think to go there more often. :)

[@randymartosoewito7892]

Leuk content

[@LandRoverDrive]

Thanks!

[@runesteinsnnkristoffersen5641]

And I`m ready and have a full jug with coffee :-)

[@LandRoverDrive]

Perfect Rune. Just made me another round. Have a great Sunday. 👍😁

[@runesteinsnnkristoffersen5641]

@@LandRoverDrive Jepp , I will :-)

[@Brayo9]

Should have done this in the same vehicle. I can't rely on your data. One is heavier than the other with shorter wheelbase..... at least a swap would have been good enough

[@LandRoverDrive]

I totally agree Brian and I wish we had the time back then to do it. But we had a fun time and I hope the video wasn’t a complete waste. 😅😅

[@davidstephen2955]

There must be a performance difference between 90 and 110

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey David, there is a bit, in the TD5 favour originally. But with about 200kg more and the 200TDI having a little tune it's about the same. Main difference I feel is that the TD5 is a bit more RPM happy then the TDI. We have done some side by side pull on straits and uphill in 3-4 gear and they are super similar. 👍🙂 I wouldn't mind seeing the TD5 with a TD5-inside tune. braaaaaaap. 😂

[@TOYOTA.Overland]

LWB 90 and 110 is not same. Put new wheels on same car and compare difference.

[@LandRoverDrive]

True and I agree 100%. 😊 Back then we were just having fun basically. Would be fun to switch the wheels between the cars, and also switch drivers.