I dont remember reading the words but I can clearly remember in my head the scenes presented to me.
@EclipseOfGod2 жыл бұрын
I think only writers clearly remember reading the words, readers see in their mind.
@Encysted2 жыл бұрын
@@EclipseOfGod with some writers I remember that the words had a feel, and I remember what that feeling was. Brando Sando’s prose is intentionally anemic. He leaves nothing but your imagination. I think that’s what he’s going for when he talks about “being a clear glass window”: if he writes in the most minimal way that someone’s inner monologue speaks, there’s no language between the words on the page and the process of constructing an image from them. It does make it harder to make ambiguous pictures. The closest thing achievable is being vague-using fewer words than is absolutely necessary. That can make it difficult to paint complex pictures without making those who have practice connecting the dots feel there’s no dramatic apprehension, and those who don’t have that practice struggle to keep track of the world. It’s a style that definitely leans more on the side of requiring a reader who’s had practice painting their own pictures, and is also willing to do that for the duration of the book. In comparison to other writers, the plain language can make the world feel less lived in if you’re not constantly keeping track of the small details placed in almost every available space in the fragmented sentence structure. I would add to Man Carrying Thing’s analysis that an overarching piece of Brandon’s brand is parallel storylines with non-linear elements. It’s essentially required when you’re so economical with language that you can’t put the brakes on the story. You _have_ to switch to another character’s POV in order to weave the complex storylines whose points of collision are the connective tissue of the narrative tapestry. oops i write novel TnT sowwy
@EclipseOfGod2 жыл бұрын
@@Encysted I’ve only read a few stories by Sanderson(5, some complete some incomplete/still reading). Overall I like his style, the clarity adds fluidity(I’m a slow reader) but I often find myself not caring much about the characters. I think “oh that’s pretty cool,” but I’m not as invested in them, even after spending a lot more time with them than say a short story by another writer.
@EclipseOfGod2 жыл бұрын
But yeah I agree with most of the things that you mentioned.
@xDMrGarrison2 жыл бұрын
me too
@tomtommerson63203 жыл бұрын
"How many archers did they have?" "a lot. like a lot a lot." "woah"
@ChaseMcCain813 жыл бұрын
Lol
@XCatherine4 жыл бұрын
This is such a fantastic breakdown. I was never bothered or overly compelled by Sanderson’s “style.” He just says it how it is and I think that speaks to a lot of people (especially those who may not read epics that often). And I think because he dives into such complex magic, characters, plots, and worlds (which he does not shy away from explaining as many details as he can about them) his very to-the-point style really helps those aspects shine through!
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Catherine! And you're right -- could you imagine how long those books would be if he wrote like Tolkien? The clarity is so important, especially because his world is so bizarre. How he is able to organize the information in the story is seriously amazing
@billyalarie9293 жыл бұрын
great point, another really solid observation. he packs so many scenes (as @man carrying thing said) that, to burden it with heavy-handed prose would be to do a LOT more than maybe a lot of people would be willing to put up with.
@IbbyMelbourne4 жыл бұрын
"They arced and fell, dropping like skyeels upon their prey." This is really clever exposition for the reader to understand how skyeels act. He's masking his exposition as a description for something readers already understand. We already know how arrows would arc in the sky, and Cenn would naturally compare the sight to a skyeel. It doesn't feel over-explainy because he reversed the description on us. I know it's probably really obvious, but it really stood out to me lol.
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I love that line! He always grounds his metaphors in the characters' pov's. If someone is a painter, they'll describe an open landscape like a "fresh canvas" or something. I love it
@billyalarie9293 жыл бұрын
holy shit this is a REALLY good observation and, to me, not very obvious at all!
@garchomowner3 жыл бұрын
it's great because skyeels appear in illustration in later chapters and by that time my mental image of one is very close to the official pictures lol
@IbbyMelbourne3 жыл бұрын
@@garchomowner yeah! If he instead had a sentence like: "Skyeels arced like arrows in the sky" that would feel like spoonfed exposition, but by simply reversing the description, it becomes natural and clever.
@captain43183 жыл бұрын
What a great observation.
@minnalei1483 жыл бұрын
I often experience Sandersson’s writing as very cinematic. I can sometime even feel the camera shift and things like that. I think this has to do with the grounded language and simplified prose. Many authors just do too much and instead of me being completely immersed I just become aware that I’m reading a book. Even when the prose are beautiful and I need to stop and reread a part because it’s so good- it takes me out of the story.
@princessthyemis3 жыл бұрын
That's...a really good point actually. I never thought of it like that before. Thanks for opening my mind to a different point of view!
@ChaseMcCain813 жыл бұрын
@@princessthyemis, yeah, same.
@minnalei1483 жыл бұрын
@Mark Borok Yep, Brandon’s prose was definitely a weak spot in his earlier works. This is even noticeable in Mistborn. The amount of flaring, pushing and pulling on coins in that book is truly astonishing and obviously repetitive. But he has made so much progress in these past years that I now find his prose one of his strengths as they fit my taste perfectly.
@barbiekeerth2 жыл бұрын
Omg!! Yes it makes sense now. His books were much more easier to make scenes in my head than other books.
@annejia53822 жыл бұрын
Same
@adammiller41223 жыл бұрын
I like this Cenn character, excited to read more about him!
@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord68442 жыл бұрын
Haha I get it, because he never appears again
@catlover-fp5ig2 жыл бұрын
@@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 WAY OF KINGS SPOILERS!!! He is mentioned in Kaladin's flashback very briefly, Kaladin watches him get killed by the shardbearer.
@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord68442 жыл бұрын
@@catlover-fp5ig yes, I know
@supremeleadersmeagol63452 жыл бұрын
@@catlover-fp5ig that’s the joke bro
@catlover-fp5ig2 жыл бұрын
@@supremeleadersmeagol6345 I know, I'm saying that he does actually appear again later in the book (only as a flashback though).
@sskpsp3 жыл бұрын
The explanation of the gerund is accurate, but the examples used are present participles, not gerunds. "they fell, dropping like skyeels"
@hclyrics3 жыл бұрын
I paused during the gerund section to find this comment. Thank you! Otherwise excellent analysis.
@BretGammons3 жыл бұрын
I was going to comment this. An example of a gerund would be, "Was the KZbinr offended by your *pointing* out his error?"
@chernobub56293 жыл бұрын
gerunds are like drumming
@JonnyBurkholder3 жыл бұрын
Came here for this
@barrydarrion48462 жыл бұрын
@@chernobub5629 thats a good saying
@williamkeohane99643 жыл бұрын
“How do you ‘accidentally’ kill a nobleman in his own mansion?” “With a dagger to the chest,” Kelsier said lightly. “Or rather, a pair of them. It never hurts to be cautious.” Dockson rolled his eyes. ^^^best line. It somehow conveys their entire character in 3 or 4 sentences.
@adoniscreed40312 жыл бұрын
Well it conveys their entire dynamic in a few words... Kelsier is a really layered character
@hitzkooler152 жыл бұрын
...how does this conevey "their" character? It conveys one at best and it really doesnt...
@williamkeohane99642 жыл бұрын
@@hitzkooler15 as the comment above said, dynamic is a better word to use. In only a few sentences it conveys: -Kelsier hates Nobles -Kelsier is sarcastic and charismatic -Dockson puts up with what Kelsier does -This is normal for Kelsier Once again, a very simplified character and their dynamic are explained in those sentences. The comment above was definitely right about how Kelsier is a complex character and you’re right that no character can be explained in only a sentence, but if there are any four sentences in the book that could get Kelsier and Dockson’s attitude down to the tee, those would be it imo.
@dlaniganohara2 жыл бұрын
@@hitzkooler15 I mean its a small exchange from a 600 page book haha
@linjicakonikon7666 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@monferno714 жыл бұрын
After all the times people mention "but his writing style is really simple", it's been time someone made a video like this. And boy, was it a good video, instantsub!
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! And welcome to the channel :)
@itsaUSBline3 жыл бұрын
The whole point of the video is how simple his writing style is, though.
@CalvinNoire8 ай бұрын
His writing style is simple though? That's the point.
@ValeVin3 жыл бұрын
It's interesting, but what you've identified here-gerunds, em dashes, clear prose, metaphors used in reverse to world build-are actually the basic building blocks that most fantasy authors use. I think that's how he achieves his pane of glass style... by using the stylistic elements that readers of the genre are already expecting to see. While gerunds and em dashes are popular across all fiction right now (parenthesis having become much less trendy since Strunk and White wrote the Elements of Style), I think the clear prose and reverse metaphors are especially common in fantasy. For the clear prose, this is usually how I see it taught. In literary fiction, you can say that the bus was a cat, slinking between the cars as it dove down a darkened alleyway. But in fantasy, the bus could literally be a cat, so a simile or clear prose is needed. If you rely on the less clear way you'd use in other genres, it's unclear what's an image and what's a fact of the world. And the reverse metaphor is something I'm particularly fond of, though it probably has some fancy, official name? But like you said: we know what arrows are, but we don't know what a sky eel is. So the metaphor is actually there for the sky eel world building. Anyways, fun video =] Thank you for making it.
@quintustheophilus95503 жыл бұрын
I think you have a point. I've read a few fantasy novels and they seem to share very similar sentence and paragraph structures. Not all authors are like this, mind you, but a similarity nonetheless. Chao
@henrykramer3653 жыл бұрын
lol that point about how a bus could literally be a cat so you need to be careful. Never thought of that before but you're so right, it makes certain more imagistic and metaphorical writing styles much more challenging to pull off
@l1mbo692 жыл бұрын
@@henrykramer365 well it depends on the context of the world. in a grounded epic fantasy with a hard rational magic system that is very self contained, such a description would be perfectly fine (not exactly this one ofc, buses won't exist)
@Three_Blind_Dice4 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic analysis. I've always thought that his style matches the stories he wants to tell very well, in that it helps him make his worlds seem accessible and grounded to the reader despite them being so different from our own in many cases. It really helps close the narrative distance and lets the readers imagine his worlds as actual places.
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! And absolutely, the vastness of the narrative feels way more intimate due to his style
@yasminbereadin4 жыл бұрын
i literally dont even think of his writing as im reading, it really does feel invisible to me - this breakdown was 10/10, where were u when i was still in school plz?
@voices4oppressed3 жыл бұрын
Probably trying to learn how to analyze Sanderson's writing style 😂😁
@martinszymanski26072 жыл бұрын
@@voices4oppressed hah, nice one
@richardkern1128 ай бұрын
Great analysis. His prose is simplistic to the point of unforgettability. I have no desire to reread anything he writes; in one ear and out the other.
@HeronKij Жыл бұрын
Brandon Sanderson's writing style is a special effect. When it works well, you don’t even notice it's there. When it's awkward or clumsy, you notice it immediately.
@tristenquijano56434 жыл бұрын
I love this analysis. Accessible and Contemporary is a style in and of itself. No style IS a style. When the world and its inhabitants are already quite alien that readers sometimes go back to read through passages for a better understanding, writing the way Sanderson does helps keep up the pacing and flow as well as lowering the learning curve required to enjoy the story. It's a story for both the casual and the dedicated readers.
@theatheistbear31172 жыл бұрын
Not really. I find myself rather wanting as someone who doesn’t consider himself to be “hardcore.” I’d rather get a book with more interesting language being used.
@billyalarie9294 жыл бұрын
These nitty gritty explorations on the prose are saving my goddamned life.
@KagedCreations08XX3 жыл бұрын
No shields for them is also a pretty decent foreshadowing that I hadn’t caught before
@MistbornTaylor3 жыл бұрын
One thing I love about Brandon's writing is how POV plays a subtle yet impactful way he writes a chapter/section despite it being in third person. It's easier to notice in something like Stormlight Archive when there's a lot of diverse POVs to contrast with each other. This is beautiful illustrated in the fact that we see Gavilar's death from four (and soon to be five) different POVs. What Szeth, Jasnah, Eshonai, and Navani all notice something different which helps fill in the gaps of what happened that night but it also gives each of the prologues personality.
@samt3412 Жыл бұрын
What I especially love is that since you see the exact same night at the start of each book, you can fill in gaps simply using information from the previous book. For example, Dalinar's drinking problem inadvertently leaves Gavilar without the Blackthorn to take down Szeth, therefore causing his death. We don't know why he has that problem until Oathbringer, so when you read Navani's version of events, you know why Dalinar is drinking himself into a stupor. On top of that, each version of events doesn't feel "incomplete", insofar that you don't feel like you need someone else's perspective to figure out what happened (except for Gavilar's perspective, which is in a way one of the central mysteries of TSA). For example, reading through Szeth's perspective feels very complete, despite it being the introduction to the world of Roshar. You don't feel like you need to know what the king's brother or the queen were doing, because the informal you've been given makes them seem unimportant to the scene.
@elwinpillai3 жыл бұрын
Read a lot of Sanderson's books and was never able to pinpoint how he writes with such a great pace in these massive novels - your analysis answered that question and then some - very well done!!
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@simmonslucas Жыл бұрын
This is probably the best and fair analysis of Sanderson style. I'm just making my way back here after the wired hit piece.
@moonlightlibrary4 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to actually read Words of Radiance. I’ve been putting it off for such a long time. I remember really enjoying how easily Way of Kings flowed as if it weren’t 1000 pages.
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Oh good! I prefer Words of Radiance to WoK much more because it had a better pace
@matthewmcb10893 жыл бұрын
@@ManCarryingThing And some many awesome and goosebump inducing scenes! (A must read!)
@captain43183 жыл бұрын
WoR was a blast. So much faster paced than TWoK. Still my favorite Stormlight book!
@storieswithc3 жыл бұрын
WoR is probably my favorite of the 4 books so far!
@GideonCyn3 жыл бұрын
WoR has one of the best written scenes in a book that I have read. Honestly I dont know which book i preferred more, they are both supremely excellent and an aspiring writers goldmine. Have yet to read oathbringer!
@mirandahoffman-giles96553 жыл бұрын
“Raised an eyebrow.” If I have to read that phrase one more time I just might lose it…
@cjs42473 жыл бұрын
Honest to god. How many people do you meet in real life that consciously raise ONE eyebrow to emphasize disbelief or confusion?
@gojira85638 ай бұрын
Same with "rolled their eyes." lookin' at you, Warbreaker...
@michaelglanz62313 жыл бұрын
Reading is like driving on a road. Sanderson is a straight, flat road. It isn't a bad thing. It gets you to where you're going without much input on your part.
@MeMySkirtandI4 жыл бұрын
He’s probably the first writer to make me think that characters in fantasy were real people. Probably because they talk in simple prose. I recall being so annoyed at Aragorn for talking a paragraph to apologize for walking fast. I love Tolkien, but no one talks like that.
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha yeah, I completely agree. Fantasy is fantasy -- characters don't have to all talk like LOTR! No problem if they do, but it's certainly refreshing when they don't
@magisterofsteam78803 жыл бұрын
Not in this time, true.
@TomorrowWeLive3 жыл бұрын
Now I feel the complete opposite. Sanderson's modern-day American colloquial dialogue often throws me out of the story.
@MeMySkirtandI3 жыл бұрын
@@TomorrowWeLive I suppose there is no reason for them to speak in contemporary English. But since this is a fantasy world, there is no reason for them to speak Middle or Edwardian English either. Technically they speak their native tongue in whatever is the contemporary speech. Sanderson is just translating into whatever would make the most sense to his reader. Maybe you could ask for a new translation?
@rpgsoul15373 жыл бұрын
@@MeMySkirtandI Dont get me wrong i like Sanderson, he is good at worldbuilding, plot twists and magic systems but his dialogues are really not good compared to f.e. Joe Abercrombie or Robin Hobb.
@ShipwreckedLibrary4 жыл бұрын
Remember when Jake single handedly made orange his brand?? Now I only see that color and think of your channel. I loved watching this too, I love Sanderson's writing and I've literally only read The Final Empire. His writing style is SO accessible and I appreciate that so much, because fantasy writers can be so dense...and heavy in their writing. And that can make them seem scary and people new to the adult fantasy genre can get skittish. Sanderson is such a warm welcome to the fantasy genre. What a fantastic analysis.
@FantasyTalk4 жыл бұрын
The Brand is Strong
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahaa orange was such a random choice. I used it in my first thumbnail and my wife was like "now that's your color." Um...okay? Also I agree with you, Fantasy can be so intimidating. I think Brandon's style is so focused on clarity that the world doesn't feel too bizarre (even though it is). Thanks Rachael :)
@princessthyemis3 жыл бұрын
I've read fantasy my whole life; never really thought of that before. His prose seems simple and barren to me, (I don't mean to sound insulting) but that's simply because my personal preference IS gorgeous descriptions. But accessibility is a valid/good point...
@Ryan-mech-muffin3 жыл бұрын
I think his book sizes are more inaccessible than his writing style lol. Personal preference ofc
@nunya13903 жыл бұрын
I think his style is about as invisible as it could be. He's one of the few authors that almost immediately makes the story play out like a movie in my head, whereas it usually takes me a hundred pages or more to get into the rhythm of someone else's style.
@okapilovers27 ай бұрын
Yeah it's always very clear and there's such a flow to it. Stephen King's another writer like that, I think. Isaac Asimov in some ways too.
@PabloSuarez974 жыл бұрын
I've said a couple of times in my reviews that Sanderson's writing style is characterised by its absence, he uses it as an effective way to get the story from his wonderful brain into yours, but man you put it way more eloquently! More videos like this!
@writerbiter33723 жыл бұрын
Answering the question of what we thought of his style: My friend and I are currently reading through the Stormlight Archive as my reintroduction into the Fantasy genre, and for the first 1.5 books ( we're on book 3 now) his writing made reading the story really difficult for me. I think the inclusion of the "clear glass" metaphor is apt here, because his writing felt like looking at the events through a TV screen, and a lot of the plot devices he eventually employs were telegraphed in his scene constructions. Not a bad choice flat out, but one I struggled to connect with. My reading partner definitely heard the nuances of that struggle from me at least weekly. 😅 I think this video really helps detail and name some of the things that I found difficult to connect with, but more in the summation of its parts: the telling of the story is in sequence, but it didn't feel tactile for the first 2 books: the sights were there, but no smells or sounds or textures (even though there was food and thunder and crem). I wish I knew what crem felt like, or what the city of Jah Kaved (or Alethkar) smelled like.
@miraclemaker14183 жыл бұрын
His writing is bland af
@itsaUSBline3 жыл бұрын
For me, a big part of the joy of writing is in the clever ways that the author can use language and bend it to their purposes. But I'm very much a prose guy, I *want* to be able to appreciate the artistry of the language itself, like poetry. I know not everyone cares so much about that and just wants to be told a story. It's just for me, an artful simile or metaphor is in itself a thing of considerable beauty, or can be if done well. Of course I can still appreciate a story without flowery language, but it's just a different kind of appreciation and to me at least, feels more empty. I do really like the use of em dashes by modern writers, though. They can also quite effectively replace a semicolon. They're just great for maintaining a sort of visual clarity while still allowing for more complex or convoluted sentence structures to be employed.
@BUTCH01472 жыл бұрын
I'm not a poetry guy, nor care that much about prose, but I appreciate that some do find these elements crucial for a good read. What pulls me out of a story, would be flowery speech or other embellishments that conflict with my own thoughts. I think lots of people like that conflict. It challenges them and gives them more to think about. You are right, a good story told is important to me. It's escapism that I find the most compelling - Sanderson open the cage and pushes me out. I have yet, to meet anyone that enjoys the exact same authors or books as I do. Sanderson is a problem, for some because he is very popular and loved by many, while his prose lacks the substance of a truly great writer. I'm not one that thinks like this. Sanderson writes clear and concise prose that conveys the story he wants to tell.
@Guffaw94943 жыл бұрын
Great video. Really interesting breakdown. From skimming the comments I don’t think this will be a popular opinion but here goes. I found Sanderson through his lectures online and think he’s got a lot of great advice for writers. So last summer I tried to read Mistborn. His style isn’t for me. Growing up, the first author that really got his hooks into me was Stephen King, and I still prefer elements of his style over others. Clarity is great, and I love a good story, but having evocative and compelling language is important to me, and I need an author’s voice to make a story pop and bring a book up from something that is fast food into something that is memorable. To me, that’s one of the best things books have going for them over movies and tv. And when you distill things down to such a “non-style”, you are watering down the medium into its most palatable and losing a lot of the color and style that makes me prefer reading a great story over experiencing it some other way. That said, and this is almost its own video-I can see how this style works particularly well for audio. Some of my favorite books to read are hard to follow and just don’t work as audio and I’d be interested in how audio is changing the way people write.
@abraaomitichon78683 жыл бұрын
Exactly. For me it is like reading LOTR and Percy Jackson. Percy Jackson has a great story and it is super easy to read. But I don't fell like reading it again because the only think that matters is the story and those I tend to never forget, even with the great amount of foreshadowing. (I LOVE IT THOUGH, DON'T GE ME WRONG) LOTR on the other hand has a amazing slow prose, super detailed. Middle-earth feels alive and if tou give me the map I can show you the exact path the fellowship took. I'm also always thinking about the past of the middle-earth and its future too. Will elfs return ever again? Man, the dwarf used to be great. Etc. Sorry for my english.
@TomorrowWeLive3 жыл бұрын
@@abraaomitichon7868 I feel the same way
@TomorrowWeLive3 жыл бұрын
@@abraaomitichon7868 and your English is fine
@jamesmccarthy67643 жыл бұрын
I just remember reading "Shallan exclaimed!" quite a lot.
@lucyhalamova27133 жыл бұрын
I love love love his style, I've been talking to people complaining about the "plainness" and I always wanted to argue for his style but what I needed is literally this :D thank you for putting my feels into world 😁
@jessicahiga98703 жыл бұрын
His style really makes epic fantasy faaaaar more approachable.
@flugelblarghen2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe people say Brando Sando has no style, his blazer graphic tee combo is iconic
@FantasyTalk4 жыл бұрын
This is a tremendous breakdown of his prose. I would say Brandon writes practically at all times depending on what his scenes need. And in the climaxes he uses the sentence fragments, em dashes, and also shortened POVs to be evocative without being flowery.
@clairemitch43014 жыл бұрын
Amazing analysis!!
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TimeMcTraveller Жыл бұрын
I suspect that the several quick ‘n short edits when telling the viewer how BrandoSando distills the prose down to its, “essential stuff,” was a design choice.
@Spretzjnjikhow3 жыл бұрын
Sanderson's prose has its qualities, anonymity among them, and it often reminds me of Stephen King: everyday language wherever nothing more is required. That being said, despite my respect and love for their stories they are among the few A-list authors whose prose pulls me out of the story. This is of course highly subjective, but I would rather have an author writing beautifully and causing me to stop and admire a phrase or passage than one who is a tad repetitive, ham-fisted or simply too everyday and casual.
@theatheistbear31172 жыл бұрын
The problem with being too casual is that this is literature. Not making use of the breadth and depth of the language you’re writing in is like a filmmaker not using any cinematography that isn’t shot-reverse shot. If the language is so unimportant to you, why are you writing a book and not a screenplay?
@amysteriousviewer3772 Жыл бұрын
@@theatheistbear3117 Probably because some stories would just be impossible to produce as a film or tv show from a budget or technical standpoint. I agree with you though, I think prose should be a priority for any fiction writer because it can enhance the experience so much and is literally the language of your medium. Your comparison to a director not utilising cinematography well is very apt. There is a difference between simple prose and basic prose.
@eleanorjones264073 жыл бұрын
YOU SHOULD DO MORE OF THESE for different authors it was so interesting + helpful even
@SandrasLibrary4 жыл бұрын
I’m a fan of every single one of these writing tactics, and I think all of it together makes a book that much more accessible and enjoyable to the masses. Well done! Would love to see more of these :o)
@user-us9rm2zs7p3 жыл бұрын
Love this. Would love to see more writing style analysis videos.
@yaelfeldman69654 жыл бұрын
This is the 1st video uploaded after I'd subscribed and it makes me happy I did :)
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
That's so nice to hear! Thanks for stopping by
@laserwolf65 Жыл бұрын
I recently discovered that aphantasia is a thing, and I definitely have it. I think that's why I, historically, have preferred non-fiction reading to fiction. So many countless times I've found myself reading pages and pages of descriptions and metaphors asking myself "why are you wasting my time? We're in X-location and X-characters are here doing X-thing to move the narrative or themes along. That's enough. I don't need all this flowery language to explain things I can't picture anyway." For this reason, I found myself really enjoying Sanderson's writing. You could write about the endless expanse of something, or you could just say there's a lot of something. Either way, my brain processes it the same way, so I appreciate the efficiency of his prose. Having learned that most people actually do create literal pictures in their heads, though? Now I understand why so much fiction is the way it is, and why "workmanlike prose" is so looked-down on. I always assumed that "painting a picture for the reader" was just a dumb, meaningless metaphor for the pretentious. But since most people literally can have that done for them, of course the normal reader wants lots of descriptions and metaphors. Of course they prefer it that way. Anyway, all that is to say that I now know why I like Sanderson so much, and why many don't.
@domhnallaonghascolthart54653 жыл бұрын
This is great, could make it your thing to delve into authors’ styles
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@gregorylaperche55744 жыл бұрын
Great talk and explanation about sanderson's writing style! Sometimes I feel like he over explains a little bit. In your example, they are in the heat of battle, and the character is thinking about who owns the land and why the battle is happening rather than staying alive. Sometimes it pulls me out of the moment a bit. However, I usually prefer that he does this so we know what's going on and why it's going on.
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I think one of his weaknesses is not trusting the reader enough. He repeats exposition over and over, and I agree, it can pull me out of the story sometimes
@phenix41813 жыл бұрын
@@ManCarryingThing it's true he repeats himself a lot but i've often found myself being like shit i really had forgotten about this so it does help to have a reminder from time to time, especially in-between books
@ianmartinezcassmeyer Жыл бұрын
It is possible to write an epic fantasy with a lyrical style. Sanderson puts the reader into such an "alien" milieu, with so many novel concepts and characters, that, by necessity, he needs to keep things clear. His direct lucid style is a feature, not a bug, to make sure readers don't get confused.
@Florfilm3 жыл бұрын
I love Brandons style. I also try to write like that.
@SpaceRevolver2223 жыл бұрын
Aren't those present participles, rather than gerunds? As you point out, they look the same, but these -ing words that BranSan uses are part of participle phrases that modify nouns. I've found at least one source that identifies them as gerunds, but more that identify them as participles, like this one: owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/mechanics/gerunds_participles_and_infinitives/participles.html Anyway, that doesn't really matter. Love this video! Great analysis. As someone who digests Sando-boy mainly through audiobooks, I appreciate that his style makes it sound like Michael Kramer is just casually telling me a story.
@rachelsanders35374 жыл бұрын
I am so excited to talk about this!! I am someone who prefers the artistry of writing over what Sanderson referred to as the craftsmanship. I really love abstract writing that makes me think and use my brain to try and understand what's going on. When I am reading a Sanderson, I am typically incredibly annoyed by his writing during the first 200-300 pages. Once I get fully immersed into the story I can appreciate the utilitarianism, but for the first big chunk I feel like I'm having my hand held and being talked down too. I agree with your assement that it is not an invisible writing style because if it were I wouldn't get as annoyed with it as I do 😂
@rachelsanders35374 жыл бұрын
I often refer to this as a lack of subtlety. Sometimes he takes his desire to be transparent over the top and ends up overexplaining things. I understand it's benefits, but for my personal taste it doesn't always jive
@HeadCannon193 жыл бұрын
0:39 *randomly sees Brandon wearing a hat* Brandon is Wayne confirmed!
@Trisjack203 жыл бұрын
And Brandon/Mat as well (Which is what he was going for at the time :) Wonder if Mat inspired Wayne in some ways)
@christopherneedham95843 жыл бұрын
Insinuating that Brandon is a kleptomaniac?
@pkhope51783 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, the first time in Final Empire that was learn the plants are brown/there are no flowers is during dialogue between Vin and Kelsier (if it was mentioned previously, I missed). Regardless of my recall, I think these exchanges show such a mastery of world-building and exposition. During the conversation, Kelsier does not hamfistedly mention that the plants are brown; it starts as a natural conversation, wherein you learn a super important fact about the world. Sanderson excels at this more than almost any other fantasy/sci-fi author I’ve ever read. Even in simply describing the arc of the arrows, he provides world building effortlessly. It makes a very complex world easier to digest
@umara.79923 жыл бұрын
Would love to see more of these for other authors!
@jimmyallen82103 жыл бұрын
In this book I like Sanderson’s style when he’s writing about the war camps and bridge runs. Can’t get enough of that intensity. The rest of the book is the time spent waiting for the next intense scene.
@GalacticReads4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis! Even though I'm not a huge fan of his writing style, as I generally prefer something a little bit more poetic...I do appreciate how simple it is. Shipwrecked Library made a great point on how accessible his writing is. So true. One of the reason's Sanderson is so accessible is because his writing is easy to access for pretty much every level of reader. Also, I love an em dash too.
@DavidDecero4 жыл бұрын
I would recommend reading some Peter V. Brett for another example of someone with good and transparent prose. I'm never sure which I like better, prose that doesn't get in the way or prose like Anna Spark Smith's where it's over the top, but poetic and dripping with emotion. Fantastic video btw.
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thanks David! I've never read any Peter V. Brett -- but I find myself often asking myself the same question. Prose that is dripping with emotion, or that is clear and simple. The only writer I can think of who writes with a simple style yet drips with emotion is Hemingway
@JavRexgteneg2pIift3 жыл бұрын
Sanderson is the epitome for "Simple but effective"
@bigfat41723 жыл бұрын
As a reader who generally reads stuff that has an emphasis on the prose or includes some formal experimentation, it was a struggle to get through the Mistborn trilogy. My basic problem is that the writing is so intensely repetitive. Even these strategies you described are ones he uses ALL the time and, even worse, it's very noticeable and not even done very well. Even something like what you describe as 'gerunds' is something he does on nearly every page. And I would argue it's not even a good strategy. Sure that type of sentence structure can be "economical" but it's also really easy and really boring and really frustrating to read a hundred times a book. And maybe this would be fine if the plot and characters were solid but I think the simple, clunky, boring prose actually hinders characterization as well as plot development. To me it's not clear glass writing so much as foggy glass writing. There's no detail, and the subtext is spelled out so I just can't see much.
@amysteriousviewer37723 жыл бұрын
Even in the one example he gave Sanderson uses the word "arrows" six times in the same paragraph and "behind him" twice in two very similar, almost adjacent sentences to describe where they are landing. It's not a stylistic choice either, its's just repetition. It's the complete opposite of efficient or economical. It seems to me that all this talk about "glass-like" or "invisible" prose is an attempt to cover up his lack of style or at least an attempt at making it seem more intentional than it actually is.
@torbjornkallstrom23163 жыл бұрын
Any artists style is essentially just a masking of their short comings. (Or an emphasis on their stengths.) It might not speak to you personally but that doesn't make it bad per se.
@GlacialScion3 жыл бұрын
@@amysteriousviewer3772 You haven't really said anything except that you personally don't like repetition.
@amysteriousviewer37723 жыл бұрын
@@GlacialScion I didn't say that I dislike repetition per-se, I dislike repetition without any stylistic intention. Sanderson is very guilty of this not just with individual words but entire phrases and it's considered a very amateur "mistake" or at least poor style. I have other problems with his prose as well but I brought up the repetition specifically because it completely deflates the argument that Sanderson is "efficient" or "economical". Using the same noun six times in a single paragraph to describe the same object is not what I would call an efficient or economical use of language.
@CAPyA3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to put into words just how weak Sanderson's prose is. These days folks are unable to distinguish truly economical prose from unresourceful, repetitive hogwash. In Warbreaker, for example, every time a character is frustrated they grit their teeth. It happens over twenty times, some even within the span of two or three pages.
@glomar99822 жыл бұрын
Love this type of analytical video!!
@LukeEdwardstube3 жыл бұрын
Only just had this recommended, but I think this video is fantastic, mate.
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks luke! that means a lot coming from you
@nickdiallo3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis. One additional element of his style not discussed here is his use of point of view. Not only does it really help enhance the storytelling, exposition, and world-building, but the way the prose style changes to match the character is not only enlightening, but also fun and really breaks up what could otherwise become monotonous (Wayne's chapters from the 2nd Mistborn trilogy stand out in my mind). But I did not find Sanderson's style to be invisible. I almost quit reading my first Sanderson novel (Way of Kings) halfway through because I found his style annoying and distracting. I think it had a lot to do with all the sentence fragments, which for me felt unnatural and awkward in a formal prose context that was clearly not modern-day USA. It was kind of like watching Kevin Costner play Robin Hood with his American accent. I've since come around, of course, and now appreciate his style for what it is, or at least for what he is striving for.
@margaretdrumm66583 ай бұрын
This is very interesting, especially because, after growing up on Tolkien, I started reading the Stormlight Archive right as I started serious work on my own book. As I'm chugging through my own story, I've found a lot of Sanderson's style elements popping up in my writing. I already use an unholy number of em-dashes, but I've found myself copying his technique in writing internal dialogue, and even using "storms" as a placeholder curse.
@BooksWithBenghisKahn3 жыл бұрын
This is some of the highest quality analysis I've seen on Fantasy booktube -- would love more videos like it!
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@amoschiasson68602 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this breakdown. As I am currently reading LOTR and Stormlight side by side, the differences between the window and the stained glass style stand out to me and I think both have their pros and cons. There is something about reading poetic prose that is a beautiful experience in my opinion. To both be immersed in the story while also appreciating the literature for literature's sake is wonderful, howbeit difficult. This is a well used example but the sentence "not idly do the leaves of lorien fall," just looks, sounds and feels right, however endless pages of location description can take away from the march of the plot. The one thing about Sanderson's writing that I think he has difficulty accomplishing is remaining modern, and simple in his prose as you explained while also maintaining the sense of epic fantasy. In general, I think he sacrifices the richness of Shakespearian English for modern language for practical reasons, however, in those pinnacle moments of pure epicness, he can't help but be drawn back into it. Take for example this line by Syl as she is reunited with Kaladin in Words of Radiance: _“Kaladin!” Syl’s voice. “Stretch forth _*_thy_*_ hand!”_ I think there is a reason why he chooses to use the arachaic second person possessive pronoun here, but for me, it came across as a little out of place. Maybe, he explains these choices somewhere else, but I do not envy him, because it's a fine line to tow! Anyways, I really appreciate his writing no matter what! Thanks for the video again!
@greenboi99 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never really been a fan of Brandon Sanderson and I’ve been avoiding reading the Stormlight Archives as a result, just because it would be such a massive time commitment to something I’m not passionate about - and one of my biggest concerns has been his prose. However, this review helped me understand his style a lot more clearly and I can appreciate (though I still don’t love) his more economic, non-intrusive, and direct writing style. I respect that those are intentional choices, rather than evidence of a lack of skill or creative vision. I think someday I’ll try to give the series a go!
@vanTersec4 ай бұрын
I miss this videos.
@garrettrinquest16054 ай бұрын
The biggest thing I think Sanderson does is write using language that the narrating character would use. So, when Dalinar narrates, you get lots of war and royalty type words, while with Cenn, it uses very short, basic words that a scared little boy would use.
@gennapohl80792 жыл бұрын
I think it might be worth mentioning that the snippet you're looking at is an action sequence--the language necessarily simplifies and speeds up to keep the energy of the scene up. That's not to say that BrandoSando doesn't use the style a lot, but I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that he writes a ton of high energy action scenes :b It's how he keeps up the breakneck pace of these monstrous books.
@voices4oppressed3 жыл бұрын
Very insightful contents you got my man!!! Will definitely be sticking here mate 😂
@sauwurabh3 жыл бұрын
As much as I like your skits, I somehow like these kind of serious videos more.
@LagMasterSam3 жыл бұрын
I think of good prose as being fireworks vs daylight. Fireworks are beautiful, artful, impressive, and even awe inspiring, but daylight is much better for getting somewhere fast.
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
good point
@bencressman61103 жыл бұрын
I initially found his prose kind of clunky, especially coming to his books right after reading kingkiller chronicle, but knowing it's an intentional choice is really cool. And honestly, after reading thousands of pages of stormlight, I've grown kind of fond of it.
@miraclemaker14183 жыл бұрын
Problem is not getting used to it after thousands of pages, but getting used to it early enough so that one can read thousands of pages without getting turned off from the books, which happens to most people who come from other fantasy series with actual quality prose
@atlanteum2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, you have the Mother of All Gerunds sitting on the shelf right behind you - The Shining.
@knowitnone2 жыл бұрын
The kindest thing you can say about Brandon Sanderson’s writing is that there’s certainly a lot of it
@derbinken23993 жыл бұрын
This channel gonna blow up.
@kiyasuihito3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you do a whole series on writing styles of different fantasy authors. You have some good insights. May I request you do Patrick Rothfuss?
@acalsmo2 жыл бұрын
Yes plz......
@kobbyquayson3 жыл бұрын
You just earned a new subscriber. Excellent work
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ayhaneyikan78425 ай бұрын
I also feel like his use of those sentence fragments and repetition helps to make key moments feel like they’re moving slower. The example of “But not Kaladin’s squad. No shields for them.” Makes me feel briefly like I’m in the head of this scared kid, paused for a moment in time just before the arrows fall upon the army.
@hhoi82253 жыл бұрын
I think it usually does feel invisible to me, with the exception of The Emperor's Soul and the Shadows... Forest... Hell... I can't remember the name of that one lol. Those felt like the prose was a bit more of a feature than just a backdrop. For everything else that I've read from him, the writing does basically disappear for me, which feels very transportive. I almost feel like I'm in a video game for a lot of it, which isn't maybe a direct compliment, but is meant as one.
@eamonntee3 жыл бұрын
If you're wanting a more academic way to talk about the effect of the gerunds, they create a sense of deictic proximity. Deixis refers to the 'closeness' of a narrator. Present 1st person feels 'closer' than past 3rd person, even if they convey the same information.
@jimsbooksreadingandstuff4 жыл бұрын
Interesting analysis of his language style. I'm reading "Edgedancer", the first book of Sanderson's I've tried, I find some of the adjectives and metaphors used by the central character, Lift, take me out of the story, like when she says "I'm so storming pure I practically belch rainbows."
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thank you -- I can see what you mean about Lift. Often her dialgue/thoughts feel a little TOO modern. However I like that he keeps us in her pov so strongly
@alirizvi56634 жыл бұрын
That might he because Edgedancer us a novella set in the Stormlight Archive and is supposed to be read after you've read book 2. Jumping straight into Roshar via Edgedancer prolly wasn't the best.
@katto19373 жыл бұрын
Nooo, why are you reading Edgedancer first?? Edgedancer is set after the second book in the Stormlight Archive, it's somewhat the 2.5th book in the series.
@jimsbooksreadingandstuff3 жыл бұрын
@@katto1937 I appreciate it is not the ideal place to start with Sanderson but it was the cheapest of his books on Kindle.
@katalinilles54973 жыл бұрын
@@jimsbooksreadingandstuff warbreaker is available for free on Sanderson's website ;)
@MusicalRocky4 жыл бұрын
Great video! As someone who has only read the first Mistborn so far, Sanderson's prose was his biggest weakness to me personally (I tore it apart in my Goodreads review lol), and the main thing keeping me from jumping right into Wells of Ascension. But it does seem to accomplish his intent, and I can see how it would appeal to others :)
@raydogz1014 жыл бұрын
This video was amazing! More like this would be great. Addicted to your videos :)
@ManCarryingThing4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That's awesome to hear
@mboniledawson2293 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your breakdown. It's really helpful.
@t0dd0005 ай бұрын
It should be noted that you can write with crystal clear clarity and still be artful. Cormac McCarthy is an extreme example. Mind you, his prose requires a mature reader (he doesn't write for the 8th-grade-education crowd), but his prose is crystal clear, yet jaw-droppingly beautiful. Hemingway is probably the poster child of easy to digest prose, but also so artfully crafted. There are so many examples. Of course, these examples are top tier writers, so it's unfair to use them as examples perhaps, but they serve to drive home the point: you don't have to sacrifice artfulness to achieve clarity.
@jakiedark3 жыл бұрын
I am not good at picking up style but what I appreciate from Sanderson style of writing, what was mentioned in the video, is that it is very easy to understand and approach. Even with his stormlight archive series which are huge epic fantasy stories with ton of characters and cultures, it is always easy to pick up and read. There is a ton of information but it is easy to follow. While for example the wheel of time or the first law trilogy, it can sometimes get a bit much too follow and reading them when tired is a challenge. There both great series, and sometimes I miss the added complexity in Sanderson books, but less approachable then for example the stormlight archives.
@lpseudonyml2 жыл бұрын
Don't read Sanderson, but your breakdown reminded me of my favorite author Vonnegut.
@storieswithc3 жыл бұрын
Way of Kings was my first venture into adult / epic fantasy. I've read a lot of epic fantasy now, but Sanderson is still my favorite. His writing is extremely accessible because of its simplicity and the fact that people talk like real humans in it. In my opinion, he does a great job of keeping the writing straightforward enough that it never gets in the way of the primary goal: to tell a story.
@Kyleology Жыл бұрын
As much as I hate Sanderson's characters, I really appreciate how easy to read his prose is.
@fab0063 жыл бұрын
Up-front apology for the grammar nitpicking, but: Those are mostly not actually gerunds. They’re gerunds when they (or their clause) function as nouns, such as: “Analyzing style is hard” (“Analyzing style” functions as a noun there). Most of the examples are present participles, they function more or less as adjectives. Ok, nitpick over. Great video! :)
@Maidaseu3 жыл бұрын
The question is, are you more interested in the story or the writing?
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
for me, both
@genericallyentertaining4 жыл бұрын
Love this analysis! You deserve more subs.
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I appreciate it
@___Goose3 жыл бұрын
Oh man you blew my mind a little there
@jatinyerawadekar41863 жыл бұрын
Loved the analysis! Keep it up
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@nicolreads4 жыл бұрын
loved this!!
@BlueJayYT3 жыл бұрын
I have that shirt! Also-- fantastic video!
@ManCarryingThing3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@VallelYuln3 жыл бұрын
I remember in the way of kings he goes overly detailed into descriptions of what characters are wearing, something I didn't very much enjoy. I'm glad that it reduces a bit in the later books
@aix833 ай бұрын
Thank you for this! Very useful.
@ChristmasLore3 жыл бұрын
When he tried the hat thing! That was so funny! Glad he went with Jello instead!
@adamrhodes99463 жыл бұрын
I love Brandon's style of writing. But I also loved Robert Jordan's more flowery, drawn out style. As long as both styles(craftsman and artisan) is done right, I enjoy it. It is only when the author bounces between the two styles that the prose bother me. Because they usually do a "to the point" style on a scene that I wanted more description of, or they draw out a scene that, to me, didn't need all the extra information.
@RobinsMusic3 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely not invisible, I immediately know when I read Sanderson mostly because of the information drops and often used words