Origins of Indian Christianity | Jeevan Philip |

[@NativeVsColonial]

❝ When the missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the missionaries had the Bible. They taught us how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land, and we had the Bible.❞ - Jomo Kenyatta

[@hibiscussunflower5916]

Now they have both- land and the bible. Africans are smart.

[@porchelviramr4404]

😢😢😢😢😢

[@manojkumarsingh727]

​@@hibiscussunflower5916 , they should through the bibile as it is an extra burden.

[@vish2553]

@@hibiscussunflower5916 not sure they are smart if they still have the Bible 😮

[@MJ-tn5qp]

I think it was a South African bishop who said these words

[@rkt81]

The atrocities done by British colonisers on Indians (Native origin people) is heart wrenching. The land and wealth was grabbed and the people were used as slaves to enrich the kings and queens after making those land under crown corporations, to make it cash cow for the British empire.

[@Goat-e3g]

Malankara Christianity is not a colonial product. Jeevan is missing the academic historic consensus

[@007tj5]

The atrocities committed by higher caste Hindus on the lower caste were also very horrific if you study the history of India. Colonisation actually brought reforms to end the social evils in the Hindutva society. If colonisation didn't happen 80% of India would have been a Muslim sultanate and the proud hindus lived as slaves under the muslim rule.

[@ksubbaiah8669]

As far as Christians & Muslims of India are concerned they are ex- Hindus, they should love the country and show their integrity not for Britain or Sudi Arabia

[@cq4544]

You are wrong,Even before Vedic Religion called Hinduism arrived in South India, the region was hub of Buddhism. there are so may archeological evidences even the statue of Buddha,Buddhist pagodas is found here in S. India

[@cq4544]

@@Tech_burner-c8g you stupid, I am talking about South India, The Vedic religion, and its Deities like Shiva and Vishnu were later ad- on cultures, when Buddhism or Dravidian Pantheism was prevelant at the ancient time. Vedic religion hasn't reached Dravidian land until 8 th Century, The same way Santhanis had fool notions like Christianity is a European religion because you have seen Christianity only after the Colonialist arrival like Portugese and British. But Sectarian Gnostic Christianity like Manicheinism, had its roots tracing back to Persia( Iran), through trade routes was a present in south India long before Ages and the community where called Nazaranis not Christians.. So stop blabbering about the utter foolishness, S. Indians had its history, culture, languages and geography entirely different from N. indians.

[@TheKrish1972]

@@cq4544 keep spinning these stories. There are no takers 😂😂😂

[@rahulchakraborty8916]

​@@TheKrish1972 Really... guys like these C Q thinks we still haven't arrived information era... where there are numerous books... and cosmic level of informations availbale in Internet... where we are able to do research and find the REAL TRUTH!

[@charliecharlie196]

Hindu books and architecture are older than Buddhism. Buddhism also originated in north India. Buddha did not bring any radically new philosophy and just built on hindu thought. I would doubt Hinduism displaced Buddhism in South India although i am aware of buddhist caves and architecture in Kerala - maybe from Sri Lanka..food for thought.

[@NativeVsColonial]

❝ Christianity is a threat to national unity." - Toyotomi Hideyoshi (second great unifier of Japan)

[@LuCipher321]

a wise guy

[@hibiscussunflower5916]

In other words threat to his power! Where christianity thrives, the 'world' is running there.

[@akhiljames3435]

Tyrants are always afraid of christianity. It takes their power away and gives it where it is due, to God.

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

Threat to the kingdom of darkness

[@S.J.Associates]

Interesting information with lot of data analysis, indeed require a serious reading . There are other videos in KZbin detailing about this book which help to understand the content and methodology. Certainly going to get one copy .

[@SinghRoadwayS]

I will buy his book 👍🏽 sounds interesting

[@Vyom4676]

Amazing,eagerly waiting.,😬

[@purvanchalAshutosh]

Namaskar, from Wollong,Arunachal Pradesh, North East India...

[@NativeVsColonial]

❝ The Christian god is a being of terrific character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust.❞ - Thomas Jefferson

[@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388]

Strange , Because the God of The Bible ,loved mankind so much He gave His Son to bring us back from the kingdom of darkness into His Kingdom of Light

[@tejasousep]

This seems to be a landmark book regarding the arrival of Christianity in India (both how and when) that counters the established church narrative on this delicate question of identity for Indian Christians. The St. Thomas in south India hypothesis has long been under siege and quite a number within the Christian community in India (particularly Kerala) no longer hold this theory as being central or immutable. The new approaches of the author, using the tools of anthropology, linguistics and genetic studies, seems to suggest a very different story, and one that seems plausible in the light of his research. However, the author/speaker seems to be unable to extricate himself from the tangles of his own Christian faith to provide clarity on the nature of the religious practices and world views that were present when these foreign faiths arrived upon Indian shores, notably Kerala. He mentions the Manicheans! But what about the Hindus whose civilisation and culture long predates that of the Manicheans or any other group likely to have settled in these parts? The very openness and accommodative nature of Hinduism has been to its great dteriment. It has caused it to be digested and eventually demonised by outsider faith systems. His thesis makes sense. It seems only natural to assume that itinerant travellers/traders would take up with local women and spawn new communities over time. It is also likely that the uneven economic and social power differentials that existed between the visitors (traders from the middle east) and the people of native societies could have set the stage for their eventual conversion to the new belief systems of the foreigners. Whether these cross-overs took place out of convenience, conviction or coercion we will never know. Probably they were a mixture of all depending on the circumstances. This is also a matter that neither the Church nor the Christian community want to give much thought to. It has been noted that the discomfort or trauma of conversion lasts only for one generation. After that it gets internalized and no visible conflict is registered. The old faith is not only left behind but looked down upon as being unequal and unworthy. This drastic vision shift has been the reason for the singular success of the Abrahamic faiths outside their centers of origin. It is probably to hide these 'very human’ beginnings of new faiths in foreign lands that institutions (like the church) were inclined to create spectacular origin stories, and the Thomas myth seems to be one of them to give this newly arrived faith in India a standing that it did not have to begin with. It was perhaps quite hard for the early Christian communities to acknowledge that their new found religion, like all significant cultural exports, was the byproduct of simple human needs - to flourish and to propagate, be it goods or new gods.

[@darkprince2490]

Nasrani copper plates were proven as forgeries, the chuch has a long history of forgery. See works by ishwar sharan.

[@loLler781229]

Agree. Saint Thomas thing has long been refuted.

[@akhiljames3435]

​@@loLler781229There is no conclusive evidence yet. Jury is still open on his arrival in India. But no syrian church doubts that Thomas had an impact on syrian chriatianity whether in India or in Middle east.

[@piyush9086]

Very well articulated..

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@darkprince2490 Can you provide a source for that?.

[@eee9034]

As some people define me as hardcore ultra nationalist sanatani, i discussed with other people who also keeps sides with nationalists, Even though they have problem with christianity , they don't have any problem with jesus or his words, as its just like a diluted watered down version of Gautam bhuddha teachings, but in wrong location of world. So here is my doubt, jesus started preaching from 30 to 33, so he got only 3 years. So all those tatti that is written in bible was that all really said by jesus? did jesus ever said, adam ne eve ko tho ka, adam and eve ke bacho ne ek dusre ko tho ka, (yes they can be called certified b hen chud, it they were true)?? Kush digest nahi ho raha

[@captainnemo1606]

I agree with you.... Old Testament was not preached by Jesus and was lifted from the book of Torah... Jesus teachings are covered in New Testament and the Gospel is totally silent about 13 missing years of Jesus Christ - some research is done on it and one of the assumption is that thru Silk Route Jesus had reached India and spent time studying Vedanta - obviosly this research will be shoved under the carpet as it will shake the basic foundation of Christanity.... Second, No one can be above the law of nature. Even the incarnations on earth had to follow the law of nature... So, resurrection of Christ perhaps hints at " something else"... At that point of time considering the Religio- political scenario a " Dead Christ" was far more " valuable" than "living Christ" and perhaps Jesus didnt die on the cross ( Crucification was fairly common punishment during Roman Era). Jesus was himself betrayed by one of his disciples - Judas and perhaps he secretly fled ( with the help of other people and certainly not with the help of his 12 disciples who perhaps wanted him dead to encash on his " name" Ressurection - rising from the dead was a story planted in case if he was spotted by others while he secretly fled and this was quickly latched on by the disciples and turned into the concept of " divine resurrection" later on ) and came back to India...And In Kashmir , there is a tomb which is believed to be that of Jesus....

[@eee9034]

​@@captainnemo1606 1.this theory of jesus came to India and learnt some things, doesn't feel right, as christianity in falling in europe and popes and other christian organisations want india to become christian , so somehow they need to serve jesus was in India story, (and even in those days people don't need to come to india to learn indian philosophies , jesus could have learnt that from library of alexandia too ) 2. If jesus really live , then he died in that crusifiction , there is no revival from that, its just a story to give false hope to people, if he trully got ressurected, then his apostles would never needed to travel different places, jesus really died there, so his apostles travelled to different places and start saying(lying) jesus was ressurected , if they lied in jesusalem about ressurection, they would have got caught. 3.according to bible , who was that three people who was crusified with jesus and went to heaven , they were thieves , Just because a criminal was there he will got to go heaven because some self proclaimed son of god was there! Then those roman soldiers who brought all those criminals(including jesus) and kill them should also be qualified to go to heaven, it also tells the social situation of that place of that era, there were lots of crimes happening in that place, and people needed a false hope, and christianity needed followers , so , this story got created. 4.i will wait , christians will also start saying adam and eve was black, to spread in africa, And more over if every person was children of adam and eve, and christians really believe it europeans(christians) would have never enslaved africans, killed native americans, looted Indians, So, this idea of all people are childeren of adam and eve in bible, is flawed in itself

[@Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108]

New testiment is a way to historify jesus to convert jews and other non-christian cultures "pagans". Jesus who is a mythical imaginary figure.

[@vish2553]

@@captainnemo1606 there never was an historical Jesus Christ in the first place, let alone he travelling to Kashmir. At best, there could have been a wandering healer by that name, there were many wandering healers who were de facto doctors then. Read Dr Kornard Elst’s foreword on the book, watch his videos.

[@akhiljames3435]

​@@vish2553All major Historians disgaree with you and Koenard Elst on the historical Jesus. Koenard Elst has not even spent a year researching this issue. There are atheists, agnostics and even Jewish historians who agree that Jesus existed and he was crucified during the time of Pontius Pilate. Read Brant Pitre's case for Jesus. An amazing book that looks into all the writings of the church fathers in the 2nd to 4th century to understand what the early christians actually believed. The integrity of christianity is mind blowing when questioned critically. No other religion can match to this, truly something divinely ordained is in work here.

[@farmperfume]

How many missionaries participated in freedom movement pl enumerate

[@cq4544]

He is not talking about missionaries rather freedom fighters from "Nazarani" community.

[@nnbg8000]

Thank you!

[@NativeVsColonial]

❝ Missionaries are perfect nuisances and leave every place worse than they found it.❞ - Charles Dickens

[@ikengaspirit3063]

I have to agree with the first guy's critic because for one, Phillip's response wasn't a real response he just restates what we know about Ashoka and restates what we know about his method. I would say that archeological evidence has to be contradictory to the literary evidence to throw out the literary evidence. I also don't get why he as a student of Bart Erhman as he claims to be, would say that heredox christianities aren't christianity when Bart Erhman would certainly call them Christianities. So Gnostic Christians aren't not Christian, they're Gnostic Christian and his evidence points to. This refusal to accept Gnostic Christians as a variant of Christianity, shows a protestant(or anti-protestant) type bias. Another thing is that Manicheans do not uses crosses like that elsewhere but we have found a cross like the South Indian one in Herat and the cross explicitly states the trinitarian formular so again, maybe Gnostic leaning but Christians that in this case, aren't even heretic. The crosses found in Herat are also written in Syriac but lack the whole bottom design. I also don't get why he says Thomas of Cana didn't ei

[@LifeUrbanist]

Is this book about particularly Saint Thomas, and whether he came to India or not? But Some people believe that the comments section primarily reflects the opinion that Christianity in India was first introduced by the Portuguese, but that is a mistaken belief. Archeological evidence Tharisapalli Copper Plates (Grants of Privileges to Syrian Christians): The Tharisapalli Copper Plates are considered one of the most important historical documents related to Christianity in Kerala. These copper plates were issued in the 9th century(at this time The Gurjara-Pratihara rulers held significant control over large parts of northern and central India )by the Chera king Sthanu Ravi Perumal, granting privileges to the Christian community in the region. The inscriptions on these plates are in Vattezhuthu, an ancient script used in Kerala, and they mention the rights and privileges granted to the Syrian Christian community.

[@Goat-e3g]

1:08:42 what a lie dude then what is cheppeds (qulion syriac inscriptions)

[@ballyragoonanan]

The cross means crossing out the ego. The ego centres around the feeling of doership in Christianity.

[@MJ-tn5qp]

Please explain, your statement makes no sense to me.

[@ballyragoonanan]

@MJ-tn5qp Saying that we create our own destiny explains it best. Bhagawan Krishna says He is the doer, as discussed in the Gita. Bhagawan Sathya Sai Baba explained that the cross bar on the cross signifies crossing out the ego as the ego signifies the falsehood of doership. Jesus didn't die on the cross. The cross was not invented until 600 years after the death of Jesus. I hope that my explanation is helpful. Sairam

[@MJ-tn5qp]

@@ballyragoonanan 🙏 thank you sharing, but I will create my own meaning of your statements. Which may or may not coincide with yours

[@ballyragoonanan]

@MJ-tn5qp It is always true that we have to come to our own understanding of what we hear or are told. Even when Baba explains, we still have to ask questions.

[@ballyragoonanan]

@MJ-tn5qp hopefully you will share it with us. Om Sairam

[@shravyaamin8346]

Amazing 🔥

[@ygcg8696]

Proselytization as an human rights endeavour has been the soul of Evangelists even when they come in the garb of traders ! This has been a global situation since centuries and later Islam too joined the party . Global fight ensues to enlighten the hapless souls! The Continent of Africa is a classical example of that ! The youngest U N recognised nation South Sudan was born out of such strife . 🙃

[@bobbyc465]

The slaves of ancient Egypt formed religions out of politics, creed, blood and psychological issues.

[@harishkiran3663]

ഹര ഹര ശിവ ശിവ

[@devasiamunjely]

The gnostics were destroyed by the holy Roman Empire, early Christianity was very much like Hindu asceticism, they were destroyed by the Roman Catholic church.

[@statickk14]

Utter bullshit. Read the book by ‘The Darkening Age’ by Catherine Nixey….how the classical paganism was destroyed by early Christianity

[@LuCipher321]

there was no christ, to start with. every tale of bible is made up or stolen.

[@darkprince2490]

Give yourself an award for misrepresentation. Extant "Gnostic" texts are no different than rest of the "books" in the Bible. They were many versions of the "books" floating around before Nicea suppressed all heretical variations. Same happened with Koran. Christian self mutilation is due to feelings of guilt and religio-political fanaticism. There is no relation to Hindu asceticism/austerity borne of Yoga, tapas, self sacrifice for Moksa and Dharma.

[@akhiljames3435]

So hindus belive that Jesus died for your sins and the sins of the whole world because gnostics surely did. Atleast read something before commenting on things you have no idea of.

[@darkprince2490]

@@akhiljames3435 the bible is atrocity literature that bids the believers to literally self flagellate. Not something to be proud in. Converts do the same when they rubbish their ancestral traditions. Christian intolerance is not asceticism. Hope that is clear.

[@anilyaduvanshia]

Need to listen very carefully else going miss the cruxes…

[@devasiamunjely]

Ek hi ullu kaafi hai gulistan barbaad karne Ko yahan har shaakh par ullu baithey hai anjaam e gulistan kya hoga.

[@Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108]

These are not Bharatiya words pls use suddh hindi.

[@devasiamunjely]

Too many pseudo intellectual guys in this channel.

[@123xyzabccba]

Hinduism is a business owned by minority Bammans , Cashier is Bania, kshatri is Security guard & bahujans majority are customers ..

[@Nonamam]

Hahahaha, u meant to say chrisinsanity*. Anyway, nothing like 'hindhuism', it's sanaathana dharmam & i encourage u to learn about my culture. For example the brahmanas are civil servants, forbidden from owning property &, serve at the behest of the state. Anyway, I'm sure u'll find this & other information mind blowing. Good luck.

[@123xyzabccba]

@@Nonamam : mind blowing ? yesss ..bammans n banias corner 80% of wealth n power in india …balls to what is said in ur religion …proof of the pudding is in eating …hinduism/saitani dharm is a business owned by bammans, cashier is bania, security guard is kshatri and the bahujans r cheated customers

[@eee9034]

Undoubtedly Fits perfectly with islam and christianity(specially)

[@sreyanshuchaterjee3962]

Here comes the Vatican farts!

[@prasadpalaparthi3463]

Lophurs with negative psyche. Same business is done both in Christianity and Islam ie Teachers, Guards, Banias, Workers and Contingent staff. *Your* *own body* does all these things as long as it is alive.*

[@Samyakindialife]

Hidden agenda of invades Caucasian- Yamnaya aryabrahmins

[@Batega_toh_Katega_Hindu_108]

LOL, Arya is not a race it means nobel. even Buddha gave 4 ways to become Nobel "4 Aryasatta". Brahmanas are knowers of Brahm gyanas. it is not a race. these are all Chruch propagandas to erase non-christian native indegenious humanity. bloody terrorist cult.