Sapient Thoughts #10: Does the Hadith of the Sun prostrating support geocentrism? | Mohammed Hijab

[@SubboorAhmadAbbasi]

Great video as usual

[@hasinyanath8031]

Brother why is your name darwin , explain ?

[@aniiss04]

Salam Subboor, do you have the evolutionary explanition with regards to this?: "Bro I know the implications of Science and the Philosphy of Science as well. Likewise I know that Darwinism is based on many assumptions and probable framework. That's not the Problem. My question is regarding the time span between Adam as. and Nuh as. which is according to Sahih ibn Hibbaan 10 "centuries". And follils were actually found about 100.000+ years ago."

[@SkillaTronGaming]

@@aniiss04 www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/20907 Don’t use science as ur yardstick for truth

[@brotheralexp.8811]

@@aniiss04 I don't belive it says "centuries." Check the arabic for the ahadith in question.

[@SteveLamberts]

@suleiman _36 _"he shows the flaws in the Darwinian ideology"_ No, he does not. He is clueless. He has no idea about anything scientific.

[@ummalamin9009]

I just love how Beautiful Islam is alhamdulillah Allahu akbar! جزاك الله خير و بارك الله فيك آمين

[@jonjeskie5234]

Even with these unscientific claims? 🤔

[@shazzadhasan3970]

​@@jonjeskie5234 first of all you didn't even finish the video and secondly scientifically earth was the center of the universe.

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@shazzadhasan3970 lmao what "science" supports earth being the center of the universe?

[@shazzadhasan3970]

@@jonjeskie5234 learn to read bro

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@shazzadhasan3970 learn to not be in denial bro 🙄

[@ibraheemahmedahmed8951]

Our kids need more people like you 🥰 thank you for trying reaching out to them

[@afnanahmad1425]

This video can bring back to islam people like abdullah sameer and many more... ma sha Allah great and powerful video

[@jonjeskie5234]

No it can't. He said the Sun "goes" to a place that it is already at?? 🤣🤣🤣

[@arifzuhayri7230]

@@jonjeskie5234 is the sun moving around the earth, or is the earth moving around the sun? The answer is both of them. The question is equivilent of "Did the seller sell the item, or did the customer buy the item?" well, logically speaking, the sun is moving with respect to earth. However, if we switch the frame of referance, its not wrong to say that earth is moving with respect to sun.

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@arifzuhayri7230 it is 100% incorrect to say the sun is moving around the earth, for multiple reasons. Go study how gravity works and then get back to me. Your statement is like saying "the Earth revolves around the moon", this is also inaccurate. Again, go educate yourself and return when done 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@arifzuhayri7230]

@@jonjeskie5234 as far as I know general relativity sides with me… yes of course objects with more mass moves less, but in regards of inertial frame, its not wrong to say sun moves around earth

[@Hajim7azim]

The best answer I've heard regarding this subject 👏

[@jonjeskie5234]

I agree this is the best one I've seen.. And it's still terrible! Why would the sun "need permission" to rise, if it is still visible somewhere else on Earth and never "goes" anywhere? 😂

[@user-dw8hq5ni9e]

@@jonjeskie5234 I am actually flabbergasted on how ignorant you are, watch the last part of the video and use the logic Allah SWT gave u

[@diefaust4252]

​@@jonjeskie5234 norhing happens with the permission of his creative will. And "going" does not imply a change in a physical pattern. Someone can "aaproach his end", Approach here doesnt mean actually getting closer to a place where he will die, it means getting closer to a certain point in time.

[@gasserhegazy1267]

Everything is dependent on Allah so ofcourse it needs permission. The whole universe is stable under the permission of Allah. The reason why anything exists is because of the permission and will of Allah@@jonjeskie5234

[@patelgulamahmed1]

Masha Allah - I really had question, not that I did not believe but understanding point of view, over this issue and Alhamdulillah Brother Hijab has nailed it! May Allah Allah SWT increase you in your knowledge and many many brothers and sisters take advantage from this profoundly important work Brother Hijab and his team are doing! Amen!

[@arshadiqbal2980]

May Allah increase you in knowledge and all that you do.

[@truthseeker3920]

Ameen

[@jouharmuhammed1631]

آمين

[@AhmedIbrahim-vf6ky]

Aamiiin

[@roxanne2749]

Ameen

[@aladdin025]

Amin

[@mustie9045]

These videos are very good but it could do with some animations or pictures e.g. picture of the Hadith being mentioned

[@aniiss04]

Good idea Akhi

[@von2648]

AGREE

[@markward3981]

السلام عليكم I respectfully disagree. These are short talks. I think each should go look up the Hadith , ayat etc and discuss it in person with imams and other muslims in person. And Allah knows best.

[@ErikDIto]

Yeah, like some videos of Nouman Ali Khan.. It'd make things more entertaining

[@nishiayad]

I wish in these type of videos that you include the Arabic wording of the Ayah/Hadith while highlighting the specific words that are explained. I believe this will make it much easier for the no Arabic speaking.

[@youmirin153]

thank you, this hadith has has been on my mind for a while

[@الجعفريالعنزي-ظ2ق]

جزاكم الله خيرا may Allah strengthen you in fighting the doubts.

[@asimimam2900]

This Hadith mentions the sun in relation to the Throne of Allah. Now, we need to pause for a moment and ask ourselves: According to Islamic belief, is the Throne of Allah in the seen world (عالم الشهود) or in the unseen world (عالم الغيب)? Of course, the Throne belongs to the ghayb. So from our earthly perspective, the Throne is a metaphysical reality. If a Muslim and a disinterested, impartial Non-Muslim can agree that this is indeed how a Muslim regards the Throne of Allah, then it follows that any text that is talking about the interaction between the sun and the throne is *necessarily* talking about metaphysical, not physical realities. Hence to even ask if such an interaction matches or doesn't match physical observations and physical concepts is entirely nonsensical from the outset. And Allah knows best.

[@eseekertruth4931]

جزاك الله خيرا... Excellent point 👌

[@Harris19941]

the hadith talks about a natural phenomena (sunrise and sunset), and the fact that sunrise from the west and east is caused by the movement of the sun, as we observe it with our eyes. How can we claim this to be metaphysical?

[@Harris19941]

@Borsalino Kizaru the prostration part is metaphysical we can argue, but the movement of the sun is the real issue here

[@Harris19941]

@Borsalino Kizaru the sun has its orbit but the sunrise and sunset as we observe it is not caused by this movement of the sun but rather by the rotation of the earth. The hadith states that sunrise and sunset is caused by the movement of the sun. That for me is the biggest issue here or dont you agree?

[@Harris19941]

@Borsalino Kizaru it says that the sun will be ordered to go back where it came from and thus will rise from the west (day of judgement), if not ordered to go back then it will rise from the east as is the case now. Doesnt this clearly say that sunrise is caused by the movement of the sun?

[@jubairnewaz4757]

I am just looking at your hair the entire video xD Btw Good work. Sapien thoughts is a great initiative indeed.

[@ibrahimfarooqui.1660]

MashaAlllah. May Allah increase u in knowledge and put his Barakah and Rahmah in all the work u do. May Allah grant u success in this world and hereafter.

[@freeman7983]

Ameen!

[@javedbhatti3021]

Beautifully explained. This hadith rose million questions and doubt in my mind during my college days. No one could explain it, but you did. Our moulvis need scientific knowledge otherwise they drive young muslims away from deen.

[@foxy-dw8fi]

he didn't either, you just believed him. Here the verse is clearly saying its place bound, not time bound.

[@javedbhatti3021]

Even if you are not convinced, Hadith doesn’t carry as much weight as does quran and Allah didn’t take responsibility to preserve it either. Hadith are collected by humans and humans tend to commit errors.

[@foxy-dw8fi]

dont gonna argue but the thing is if you believe in a geocentric model, all those hadiths and verses in quran can be explained very very easily, thats the most clear sign that Muhammad (S) along with others that time also believed in geocentric model @@javedbhatti3021.

[@diefaust4252]

@@javedbhatti3021 no. allah said that he will preserve the dhikr. Dhikr includes rhe sunnah.

[@mirrasikulislam7344]

Beautiful by champ as always Praise be For The LORD Of Heavens and Earth ☺

[@mohammadwaleed11]

May Allah bless you and reward you for your efforts to defend the religion 🙏

[@muhammadaayan2397]

U r very blessed Brother Hijab. May Allah accept ur deeds ameen 🤲

[@theislam9339]

According to muhammad hijabi earth is moving

[@fs5297]

اني ذاهب الى ربي سيهدين😭☝🏻 This verse is beautiful 😍 The times you repeated it, it got me❤️ Ibrahim (عليه السلام) was indeed a very beautiful Prophet of Allah SWT❤️ To read about him in Quran is just love, the words he say, the way he thinks is just Amazing, may Allah SWT give us even a little bit of intellect that He gave to His beautiful Prophet, Ameen ❤️

[@abdullahkidwai7206]

May allah grant u tons of rewards 👍👍👍

[@freeman7983]

Amin

[@IslamTheTruth5147]

Ameen

[@nawalibrahim3680]

This is by far the most interesting interpretation I've seen. Well done.

[@jonjeskie5234]

Interesting, yes. But still scientifically false.

[@shaktard8570]

@@jonjeskie5234 how?

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@shaktard8570 what the verse says is completely out of line with the scientific reality.

[@shahinoorchowdhury2007]

​@@jonjeskie5234which one

[@AhmedIbrahim-vf6ky]

Masha Allah, beautiful explaination bro. Peace be on you.

[@mustie9045]

Love what you guys are doing, keep up the good work and May Allah grant you all jannah

[@Abdullah-vt7ct]

OMG brother the last argument you made was just incredible..Ma sha Allah

[@nooriaesmat4847]

If you ever need a kidney id give you both of mine. May Allah preserve you and your family.

[@bishiafeez5534]

This is very very good, may Allah reward you abundantly!

[@loveislam8189]

"It's always ironic that those individuals they try and attack Islam,the very evidences they use are usually used against them..."

[@Hanni093]

Thankyou This was the video I was waiting for

[@erTalhaKhan]

Best & very much needed series. Appreciate brevity! Jazakallah.

[@مُحاربجَسُور]

اخى كتاب العلم وحقائقه للدكتور سامى عامرى ممتاز اخى به تفصيل اكاديمى رائع ومقارنة بين القرآن والتوراة والإنجيل والحقائق العلمية

[@yaseenaitsimmou2061]

Jazakallahu khayran

[@aaminaas3051]

My fellow Muslims please refer to the other versions of this Hadith specifically the one in sahih al Bukhari book of oneness of Allah, 520 for better understanding of the last. It of the Hadith

[@SimpleandConscious]

Allahumma barik Ustadh.

[@peacenow6618]

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

[@MehediHasan-to8wb]

Zajakallahu khairan

[@freeman7983]

Mashaa ALLAH excellent refutation bro!

[@Ibnshafi3]

11:25 It's surah mulk chapter 67 verse 5 Btw, it was awesome refutation❤

[@Hilman_Faiz]

In the latest science view of earth and sun orbit, it is revealed that their orbit is actually barycentric, earth and sun orbit around each other. But the center of this dual orbit is really close to the sun. Therefore it still adhere to Qur'an that says sun is moving, not stationary. And it also adhere to Qur'an since Qur'an never say earth is stationary. Please make an update video so that the world can see how careful the choice of words used in Qur'an is

[@zidanhabib9579]

Mashallah brother hijab, keep making such videos

[@DartMaker]

So according to Mohammad Hijab “It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne, then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission is given to it. Soon it will prostrate, but it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission (to rise) but permission will not be given to it; it will be said to it: “Go back to where you came from.’ So it will rise from its place of setting and that is what Allah, may He be Glorified, refers to in the verse: ‘And the sun runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing (Qur’an 36:38)'” mean that Sun is continuously setting and prostrating under the throne of Allah. Got it! Great intellectual argument. But what about the fact that one it will not be granted permission to rise again and will be told to go back to where you came from? So that day earth will stop spinning? And where will the sun go? Some say it will rise from West, that day. So earth will start spinning in reverse?

[@gogo67740]

According to the heliocentric model there is also a Galactic orbit. In which the sun is in an orbit. I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned.

[@RaphAelGamingproductions]

jazakallah khair brother,,

[@sameerakhtar8369]

Allahu Akbar! What an Amazing Explanation!

[@MuhammadHassan200]

Farid's explanation was also great ♥️

[@ryansclubCEO]

Great for literally throwing the Hadith in the garbage.

[@user-xdhuwawi]

Amazing

[@appearances9250]

Benefited a lot Alhamdulilah Some unnecessary excessive words akhi keep it shorter concise..

[@peacenow6618]

Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza

[@IslamTheTruth5147]

Amazing video!

[@nomanshabbir2834]

الحمدللہ

[@fishmorecatchmore2787]

MashaAllah brorher...like your emphasis on the evidence provided.

[@jouharmuhammed1631]

جزاك الله خيرا

[@yigittutenkuken1210]

Wa aleykum assalam verahmetullahi wabarakatu!!

[@saeedanwar4240]

I would request you to make a video on one contention bring forth by many students-- since I'm a medical student-- that is based on last ayaat from surah Luqman,where Allah claims that no one but Him knows what is inside the womb of a mother. Most students have took it wrong as by saying that with modern equipments, instrumentaions and technology we can make an extent of what's going on inside a womb.I heard one of the clarification mentioning some linguistic arguments but there were alternative explanations too and that has left me a bit bewildered to what explaination should I stick to. I'll be very greatful for explaining it extensively.

Personality or character of the person is what is mentioned here and Allah knows best.

[@ArshadAminEMAZ]

imo, the surah luqman ayah that you are referring to is simple to understand, modern equipment or using a dagger etc to cut open the womb and see and then claim, see i know it too know... thus the God is wrong or the quran is wrong or using shaitan, jins help to bring forth the news about what is going on inside the womb, is it a male or female, is it healthy or diseased, its eye color etc, again that can only be done if the jinns move inside. In brief the whole modern equip or using dagger thing or jinns help (because those beings are capable of doing it) are wrong, one could have been right in one's claim if one can do it right without all of these things and that is something we can't do, this is what imo is being referred to, wallahualam.

[@someweirdboi1908]

I find this explanation quite good www.call-to-monotheism.com/today_we_know_what_is_in_the_wombs__a_scientific_error_in_the_qur_an_

[@TheOriginalArgument]

Brother read the whole verse. The whole verse is: "Indeed Allah(alone) has the knowledge of the hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no sould perceives what it earns tomorrow and no soul perceives in which land it will die. indeed Allah is knowing and acquainted. " The verse itself clearly tells us what it is referring to, that it is reffering to what he will do on this earth

[@nike2734]

Mashallah good work bro amazing . ..

[@yugimuto5286]

May Allah bless you brother

[@eerievon2208]

love ur explanation.. may Allah rewards u for ur effort insya allah... 😀

[@mahfuzurrahmanhowlader3240]

Mohamed Hijab:- *Starts speaking* Me:- *Opens up dictionary* Btw, very nice explanation

[@ibrahimalmetwale3282]

Great Video Masha'allah

[@muammar1353]

A 21 minute sapient thoughts video💀

[@mustafapk1516]

I don't see why either of them are wrong, Our sun does orbit the massive Blackhole in the centre of our galaxy and our galaxy is heading towards a collision with another galaxy, So Even if it is saying about a place, Sun is certainly going somewhere along with the time it will take, Allah, Knows best but I don't see a problem with either explanation.

[@mustafapk1516]

@@TheOneLogic69 How about you act on that before you preach others? You don't trust your own words?

[@ashasharmila1096]

Alhamdulillah...

[@WalidsChannel]

Random literature Guy: "The sun dipped below the horizon, the last gasp of beauty before the death of the day" Everyone: "Wow! What a nice poetic description!" . The Prophet: "Sun goes and prostrates to your Lord" No sapient person: Literally no one who've got at least 2 brain cells: Atheists: "Hmm...That's unscientific (o_O)" People should understand that the time of prophet was the era where literary Arabs excelled in wordplay and using metaphors in language.

Good point

[@nawalibrahim3680]

That is true. And he was talking to people in the 7th century. Though I do think that verse was literal because there are other references that mention all things worship Allah in ways which we do not know. Just like Mohammed says, it's not a science thing, it's a metaphysical thing. Also, we shouldn't feel the need to base truth on science. Even if some of them could be contradictory. Though his explanation was actually really good. Especially about the Axis of the Earth which could be it's prostration.

[@nawalibrahim3680]

@@TheOneLogic69 No I understand that, and I agree. But I think if were only looking to try to prove truth by using something based on human perception, it doesn't allow creativity. What if instead of trying to prove verses scientifically, we try other things. I think that would be cooler. And we wouldn't be limited in our interpretation. The first people to come up with theories thought outside the box. But now we can only think inside of it. Because once you come out of it, it's ridiculed and seen as illogical and it doesn't follow this law or it comes against this idea. So I was just encouraging more outside the box thinking. That's what I was trying to say. That's why I really liked it when he said that the Earth prostrating could be that it's on its axis, instead of denying the idea that inanimate objects are living as well.

[@jonjeskie5234]

@@nawalibrahim3680 the problem is he offered this up as an explanation for a natural, scientific, physical phenomena. (Sunsets) If he wanted to create poetry it does not make sense to start with a literal question and not expect a literal answer.

[@DartMaker]

Yeah, we don't call poems scientific either

[@neganmessias6940]

Assalamu Alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh I am Alhamdulillah a Muslim and I have no problem with the literal, word for word meaning of the Hadith. And I see absolutely no contradiction to the fact that the sun has its fixed orbit. The reason is quite simple. Allah subhana wa teala says in the Quran: Surah 64. Ayat 1. "Everything in the heavens and the earth praises Allah. To Him belongs the Kingdom, and to Him all praise is due, and He is Able to do all things." Not only the sun, everything worships the Creator. Another verse says: Sura 22, Ayat 18. "Do you not realize that to Allah prostrates everyone in the heavens and everyone on earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the mountains, and the trees, and the animals, and many of the people? But many are just deserving of punishment. Whomever Allah shames, there is none to honor him. Allah does whatever He wills." A critic can therefore ask not only about the sun, not only under the throne, but in general: "Why do I not see any animals, trees, mountains praying? That's in the Quran, so where's the pray?" And that's the point for me, the key to understanding these verses is also the key to understanding the hadith of the sun and its prostration. Allah swt. says in: Surah 24, Ayah 41. "Do you not realize that Allah is glorified by whatever is in the heavens and the earth, and even by the birds in formation? Each knows its prayer and its manner of praise. Allah knows well what they do." And that is the point. They don't pray like we do, every creature has its own prayer, its own way of prostration, of worship. And we humans do not know exactly how each creature prays and how. This is between Allah swt. and its creatures. It is something that is hidden from us. And so it is with the prostration of the sun under the throne. In the long version of Hadith Sahih Muslim 159 it says: "It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the throne.Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it) till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it would be said to it: Rise up and emerge out from the place of your setting, and it will rise from the place of its setting.The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said. Do you know when it would happen? It would happen at the time when faith will not benefit one who has not previously believed or has derived no good from the faith." In the hadith it says لاَ يَسْتَنْكِرُ النَّاسُ مِنْهَا شَيْئًا that the people don't notice, don't realize it. We are this people. Just as it is with other creatures like the mountains, the trees, the animals, the moon and the stars, it is also with the sun that we humans do not see the worship of these creatures. Like Allah swt. says: "Each knows its prayer and its manner of praise. Allah knows well what they do." Now of course they can say "but what about the time when the sun turns to the throne or goes there". Quite simply, where does it say that this has to happen in our kind of time. All of this of the Art of Worship of other creatures a belongs to the hidden, Gayb. And so there is no problem with that. Wa Allahu Alem. And as for the Christians who accuse this thing. Unfortunately, that's what missionaries often do. Unfortunately, we have to teach them their own Bible. Psalms 148: 1 Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens; praise him in the heights! 2 Praise him, all his angels; praise him, all his hosts! 3 Praise him, sun and moon, praise him, all you shining stars! 4 Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens! 5 Let them praise the name of the Lord! For he commanded and they were created. 6 And he established them forever and ever; he gave a decree, and it shall not pass away.[1] 7 Praise the Lord from the earth, you great sea creatures and all deeps, 8 fire and hail, snow and mist, stormy wind fulfilling his word! 9 mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars! 10 beasts and all livestock, creeping things and flying birds! 11 Kings of the earth and all peoples, princes and all rulers of the earth! 12 Young men and maidens together, old men and children! 13 Let them praise the name of the Lord, for his name alone is exalted; his majesty is above earth and heaven. In other words. The Bible also says that all creatures, including the sun, worship God.

[@zackxal6481]

Brilliant !

[@akhidan]

That intro...the confident tone...all I could hear is " The little ONES, uneducated ONES..."

[@islamtrack1389]

Ultracrepidarian

[@ScienceTech-Fan]

why do you say that?

[@akhidan]

@@ScienceTech-Fan I think you are unfamiliar with the famous phrase of Brother Hijab

[@leli282]

Same 😂 ...Weak ONES

[@ScienceTech-Fan]

@@akhidan I have been listening to hijab but just tell me what you are talking about?

[@m.islamnafees5770]

Best Interpretation

[@m.ahachani8573]

may ALLAH be pleased with you

[@syedhasan8181]

In verses 55-17, Allah says that He is "the Lord of the two Easts and the Lord of the two Wests". This verse actually points out that a "place" that is in the West for someone is actually what is in the East of someone else at the same time, i.e. when someone sees a sunset, someone else sees a sunrise of the same Sun from a different location. Hence, for two people far distant from one another, there are two Easts and two Wests. From this, it also follows that the Sun is always setting and it is also always rising relative to the location of the two people observing. And this is what the Theory of Relativity predicts and/or confirms.

[@albozz0354]

Are you muslim brother?

[@syedhasan8181]

@@albozz0354 Yes, I am. But I don't resist science as the Ulema do. Agreed, if something is mentioned in the Qur'an as supernatural, then science has no business there, but otherwise, there is no friction between science and Islam :)

[@albozz0354]

@@syedhasan8181 okey so you support mr mohammed hijab and agree that quran doesn‘t support geocentrism?

[@syedhasan8181]

@@albozz0354 According to the Theory of Relativity, both the views that the Earth can be treated as stationary or as moving around the Sun are valid. In fact, when scientists calculate a rocket's path to the other planets, they assume the Earth is stationary. But, in other situations, they assume the Earth is moving in their calculations. But, it looks like Sapience's view is that of the Ulama, i.e., science is always changing, and so stay away from science when it comes to the Qur'an. LOL

[@albozz0354]

@@syedhasan8181 thank you brother true i always base on the holy quran!

[@proofs9752]

This is my view! I think as an observer on earth one should put everything in a proper perceptive. If for example one is standing on the surface of the earth in Madinah one will certainly observe the sun rises from the east and set in the west. Then one walks to the east or to west one will certainly perceive the earth is flat. But if one continuely walks towards east one will continuely perceive the earth is flat even though after rounding the earth back to Madinah and didn't find the real east! So what I meant by the proper perspective is that one should specified the reference point or the frame of reference if one to talk scientifically....as there is no real east or west on a spherical earth! Similarly if one to talk about geocentrism or heliocentrism.... should clearly stated either one refers to our solar system or the universe? It is not impossible the earth is the true center not the pulsating universe(likes one heart!). On top of that one should realize that the so called the reality of the universe we observse is only a representation of our mental perception. No one knows exactly what "below" the centre of the earth....it could be another metaphysical space.... something likes above the seventh heaven. The centre gravity of the earth could be the "miskat"???(The earth is above..."wa maa tasta aththaraa")

[@AtheismLeadsToIrrationality]

Jazaak Allahu khairan

[@longlivelogic8128]

If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West". And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil". The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times". The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere. These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model. Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86 WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.

[@Donnie-ys2hm]

I expected an answer

[@theastronomer5800]

Muslims cannot simply admit that Muhammad had a 7th century understanding of the world, and the Quran contains many man-made myths and legends of the time. The Quran and the hadiths are completely consistent with a geocentric model. Allah could have used very simple words to give the correct scientific explanation (and neither the one in the Quran nor the correct one could have/would have been proven for almost 1000 years), yet he states exactly what people believed in... People back then didn't know basic things, that why the Quran for example talks of falling stars (which were meteors going through our atmosphere, not distant stars - but they didn't know the difference) or of seven heavens (which was a common ancient cosmology as there are seven objects you can see moving in the sky an people gave each a celestial sphere or heaven, in some cases stars were in one of the heavens). Etc.

[@Akhysalafi]

the word used in the verse is luminary, luminary is not specifically a star it can be anything shining, a meteor is shining, or maybe it is a metaphysical luminary that we cant even comprehend, or ‎as Ibn Kathir its a sort of (physical or metaphysical) flame coming from the star that hits them

[@mohammedfaiz5854]

The problem with ur argument is ur using translation , when u learn about the Arabic language and it's morphology , you would understand on the context it was used , so to make a claim without knowing the language in which it is released is pure hypocrisy

[@Philosopher1177]

The why does it says that go back where you came from?

[@SecretEyeExposed]

"The Sun rotates as it orbits the center of the Milky Way. Its spin has an axial tilt of 7.25 degrees with respect to the plane of the planets’ orbits. Since the Sun is not a solid body, different parts of the Sun rotate at different rates. At the equator, the Sun spins around once about every 25 days, but at its poles the Sun rotates once on its axis every 36 Earth days" according to a NASA article. These movements could be figuratively said as prostrations and Allah knows best.

[@g1j2k3]

Abdulla doesn’t know best. Talk about a nonsensical confabulation in a effort to justify a pre modern religious invention

[@natos2334]

@@g1j2k3 allah knows best. You mocking that means nothing

[@Abdullah34610]

@@g1j2k3 - so if it was a modern religion it would fine? You might want to consider what words you use in your futile attempts to discredit Islam. At least make an effort to appear sincere and credible.

[@Adrian-yf1zg]

No need for all this... Either the hadith was made up, or if the hadith is true then it needs to be interpreted in a metaphysical way.... Not scientific. However i would add, all motion is relative.... Geocentric, heliocentric are right and wrong as each other..... Search youtube for relative motion and frames of referance..... Speed in a certain direction on is always relative

[@g1j2k3]

No .. all religions are wrong. But not all religions try to justify nonsense like this

[@5nyper]

What about the part regarding the notion of the sun "going back to where it came from" ?

[@walid_bouguelouz]

that's what I came for

[@5nyper]

@@walid_bouguelouz when the sun rises from the west, this will be at a time where no new believers/forgiveness would be accepted. It turns out the the sun actually has some influence on the rotation of the earth (since the earth itself does not spin itself, it spins from the initial inertia from its creation), so the sun having a scientifically unprecedented affect on the earth during the end times can semantically fit. The other aspect is that since we establish the initial going and prostration/asking permission is matters of the unseen, returning is also very much apart of that. and Allah knows best

[@IK-wp5eq]

From science we know that the moon circles around the earth, the earth circles around the sun, the sun circles around the galaxy and the galaxy circles around something we don't know (visual limitations), but lets call it the center. To keep it simple lets consider sun moving around the Galaxy using the following animation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmPFl3tprKymrdE Notice the movement of sun on the Galaxy plane. It is not a straight line but rather in a wavy motion. i.e. it goes up, and then comes down which in my humble opinion is the possible physical manifestation of prostration of the Sun and of course Allah swt knows best. i.e. The sun(=head) goes up akin to human standing up, then it goes down akin to human putting their forehead on the floor, therefore akin to a Sijda. So the sun as it moves keeps making Sijdas under the throne. It then asks permission from Allah swt after each Sijda and permission is granted and it rises up to make another sijda. Soon it will prostrate, but it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission to rise but permission will not be given to it; it will be said to it: “Go back to where you came from". In my humble opinion the Sun will make a U turn underneath the Galactic plane. When this happens, the earth will experience a rotation inversion. i.e. the North and south poles of earth will flip making the rotation of earth clockwise instead of anticlockwise. This would be the day when Sun will appear to rise from the west from earth just like sun rises from the west on Venus everyday because Venus spins clockwise now unlike earth. Since humans will be able to see this with their eyes, the rotation inversion i.e. flipping of the poles will be smooth and not destructive for life on earth. Of course this is my depiction based on science and my understanding of Quran and hadees and it does seem to explain the events in the hadeees and Allah swt knows best.

[@jawaharlal9293]

Assalamu Alaikum, I think , it would be absolutely necessary to have a video on 7 EARTHS, pls have a video on for that soon, May Allah grant us victory..............................................Aameen.

[@mkdon101]

SubhanAllah. I listened to a lecture yesterday about signs of qiyamah and this hadith was mentioned. The exact same question came to my head. When i got home this was first thing I saw when i went on KZbin. Following on from this i want to do the hadith that states sun will rise from west and night before the night will be long as 3 nights. Will it be for entire world or just certain area. Unless sun is blocked half the world is always in light and other darkness

[@mohammadshakil3828]

Mah shah Allah

[@beehivepattern5695]

This is Facinating, correlated into fine tuning for the earth to be like jannah (paradise), as until now scientist still found no evidence of earth like planet which is unhabitable like hell, due to lack of advance tools. Venus and mars is match to be unwillingly not fine tuned 😎

[@IBRAHIMMOHAMED-wv2nx]

Even in salaat you are standing infront of Allah ,it doesnt mesn you are pysically standing in front of Allah.

[@amaniyasOO7]

10:16 Allahu Akbar ❤️

[@ArshadAminEMAZ]

Although brother hijab explained it thoroughly, the basic problem with this and many other supposed errors in the glorious quran is simply due to cherry picking fallacy, for instance here they picked up a hadith out of everything to prove that the glorious quran proves geocentrism, that is in my opinion a typical cherry picking; the logical approach is to consider all relevant data (glorious quran & sunnah which brother hijab did) and then make a conclusion based on that data. By using cherry picking one can prove anything for instance let's just talk about scientific method, I cherry pick steady state theory and claim, see science got it completely wrong therefore science can't even provide provisional truths; while if someone else pickup (cherry pick) something like science proved definitively that the earth is a sphere, thus concluding that science can not only provide provisional certainty but also absolute certainty. So who is right and who is wrong logically, rationally.. (although we all know that logic itself can't prove itself to be 100% certain in its conclusions (and many other problems with logic) but just let's use this yardstick as this is the best yardstick after wahi/revelation we have) The truth however is, both of the above positions are fallacious, neither one is logically correct because they are based on cherry picking, wallahuAlam.

[@ArshadAminEMAZ]

@@TheOneLogic69 and since when did appealing to ridicule, red herrings, appeal to moral high ground start to make up for a logical, rational argument... wonders!

[@ArshadAminEMAZ]

@@TheOneLogic69 and you think you will understand what brother Hijab said or i typed here comments ... barely understand english and think he knows islam thoroughly funny!

[@ArshadAminEMAZ]

@@TheOneLogic69 well "...you will come to the conclusion that it was according to how someone living in the 7th century will understand it. It is very incompatible now and a lot of word twisting and figurative understanding is needed to defend." you are entitled to your opinion but that's not logically correct, the truth is, when we use such an approach we find no errors or incompatibility etc.

[@grimandipace4822]

Clinging to one’s stupidity like ☝🏾

[@Pdfgyu]

The sun travels for its fixed term. That is the design of the Almighty, All-Knowing.

[@AbhishekTiwari1111]

Now read a sahih hadees on prostrating and tell us if it makes any sense. Sunan Abi Dawud 586 This tradition has also been transmitted through a different chain by 'Amr b. Salamah. This version says: "I used to lead them in prayer with a sheet of cloth on me that was patched and torn. When prostrated myself, my buttocks were disclosed. حَدَّثَنَا النُّفَيْلِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا زُهَيْرُ، حَدَّثَنَا عَاصِمُ الْأَحْوَلُ، عَنْ عَمْرِو بْنِ سَلِمَةَ، بِهَذَا الخبر قَالَ فَكُنْتُ أَومُهُمْ فِي بُرْدَةٍ مُوصَلَةٍ فِيهَا فَتْقُ فَكُنْتُ إِذَا سَجَدْتُ خَرَجَتِ

[@itwaszukkibutnotnow]

Alhamdulillha every thing is answered in islam

[@klickklack3949]

Yes it does... If it doesn't we wouldn't be talking about it.

[@aniiss04]

Can you please make a video regarding the approximate time of the arrival of Adam (as.) and its compatability with science?

[@mohammadrakibulhassan9694]

You should know the philosophy of science . Watch the video of Hamza tzortzis about Understanding Quran and science

[@lost_poet_]

Why do we continually seek for validation through the claims of modern Science? Why have so many Muslims become science worshippers?!

[@aniiss04]

Bro I know the implications of Science and the Philosphy of Science as well. Likewise I know that Darwinism is based on many assumptions and probable framework. That's not the Problem. My question is regarding the time span between Adam as. and Nuh as. which is according to Sahih ibn Hibbaan 10 "centuries". And follils were actually found about 100.000+ years ago.

[@aniiss04]

@@lost_poet_ Akhi don't claim things that are not true, there is a big difference between Science and a clear-cut Observation

[@aniiss04]

@@lost_poet_ Now frankly, Are you flat earther?

[@Ak-so6ng]

Please do one about the verse that states that sweet water and salt water don't mix. People argue that this is incorrect.

[@nawalibrahim3680]

That one is quite simple. I don't even see how they can use it as an argument

[@spajjilakhas8678]

Its talking about the seas not water. 2 seas that dont mix. Not like some dumb scientisc who mix salt tap water and sweat one 🤣🤣🤣

[@imzaizceman2000]

JazakAllah brother. Would you be able to provide a list of references at the end of these videos? It would be really helpful.

[@playernova7431]

This video contains so many Islamic Term that most non Muslim might not understand. They want to argue but they themselves have shallow knowledge.

[@vigilantclips5912]

No ads? Interesting

[@havaskor9510]

Asssalamu alaykum 💪👍

[@mtgoat179]

im scared ngl i keep watching that one guy apostle prophet and he's ridiculing islam and when he talks about the contridictions and theres always a reasoning for why its not wrong and the quran means this and a reason why the disbeliver is actually wrong and its a constant cycle and now im having like a early life crisis cuz im a teenager

[@cwsaawrvx]

Check videos on proofs of islam in my playlists

[@mtgoat179]

@@cwsaawrvx thx im feeling better now cuz i mean the feeling of fear that i got when i thought of the fact that i might be living this short life just to be sleeping dead in dirt for centurys as my body rots and disappears at that point i was scared there would be no after life at all just this life

[@ahmedhassan-wc9dv]

@@mtgoat179this is my topic about this issue ----------- In the beginning , the throne is the roof of all the creations as it is known in the islamic faith therefore the sun is under it at all time So this expression is a metaphor for its place in space This does not necessarily mean that the sun directly under the throne We as Muslims believe that God is above us while we prostrate to Him This does not mean that God is directly above us, but between us and Him there are seven heavens ok then what is the meaning of it goes then it prostrates ? this doesn't mean the deviation from its own orbit Ibrahim said in the quran "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me " that doesn't mean that Ibrahim will go to the heavens so now we know that "going to" doesn't always mean to some place it also may be about intention To explain what is not specific We have to explain it with the specific one allah said "And He is the One Who created the day and the night, the sun and the moon-each travelling in an orbit " This verse is clear and definitive it interprets the hadith and denies that the sun goes to prostrate under the throne Because the sun has its own orbits (meaning that it goes around something not go and stop then prostate then go again) and in today science there is theory suggest that the sun goes around something in the space also the quran didn't say that the sun goes around the earth rather it says that the sun has its own orbit ..didn't mention around the earth In order to understand the unspecific hadith, we turn to the specific verse so that the hadith can be explained The verse was definitive that the sun has an orbit, so the hadith must not mean that the sun actually goes away rather it goes around something ----------------------------------------------- Why sunset and sunrise time specifically? God set the time of morning and evening (sunrise and sunset) A time to prostate willingly or un willingly As is clear in the Qur’an in many verses, including: allah said " Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah (Acknowledging subjection),- with good-will or in spite of themselves: so do their shadows in the morning and evenings. " The two words in Arabic are more accurate than in English (بالغدو والاصال) They mean a period shortly before sunset and a period shortly before sunrise (salah al fajr and salah el asr) At that time, all creatures are commanded to prostrate There are those who prostrate willingly (prostration with their shade and their body) And whoever refuses unwillingly (his shadow prostrates) The matter is not only with the sun at this time, but also with all creatures, as the verse clarified There are those who ask, but the hadith makes it clear that the sun will prostrate, and this means that it was not prostrating before There are two responses to this claim First: The prostration of the sun that mentioned in the hadith concerns its setting from the arabian peninsula only, especially Mecca and Medina Second: Abraham's words to his father " I will go to my lord and he will guide me" It does not mean that Abraham - at this particular time when he said that to his father - was a misguided or disbeliever in God and will believe after that rather He was a believer in God when he said that .. He often called his father and his people to renounce idols and worship God so this expresses was the continuity of submission to God Hence the hadith of the sun going to prostrate It also means continuity . explaining the hadith " Based on the evidence that we have mentioned, we must interpret the hadith based on the Qur’an and on the basis of peremptory evidence Not to take the hadith and neglect the context (the Quran ) as i explained before ... The hadith says that the sun usually intends to prostrate while it is in its place under the Throne (in space), but on the Day of Resurrection a change will occur. When the sun intend to prostrate and submit to God, God will reject its prostration and submission. God will change the cosmic laws and the sun will rise from the west And then the movement of the sun stops and the world ends ( the sun Runs its fixed course For a term ) Why would its prostration be rejected? Because in this time and when the sun rises from the west, prostration or repentance is not accepted from anyone ------------------- finally Even if we take this hadith literally, it goes and prostrates What about the prostration of stars and trees in the Qur’an? Did the Arabs not notice a thousand years ago that trees didn't mover or prostrate? As I said, even if we take the hadith literally, this means that there is a movement of trees and the sun that is not visible to us like spirits and angels. It means that all things has a material (visible to us) and an intangible (invisible to us) appearance.

[@alurusandeep5574]

@@mtgoat179 if u fear stop watching him and I will recommend you to watch truth shall prevail KZbin channel please 🥺

[@ahmedw5]

Another thing to point out here that refutes the idea that the sun goes under the earth is that the hadith says that the sun goes and prostrates under the throne of Allah when it sets. So if the sun were to go to the throne of Allah it would be going upward, and not beneath the earth as they claim we believe. In other words, if the Prophet (SAW) meant that the sun goes to the throne of Allah then it wouldn't make sense that it is going the opposite direction (down beneath the earth, instead of up towards the sky where the throne of Allah is).

[@jonjeskie5234]

The sun is already in the same direction as "upward" so this would not work. Muhammad simply did not understand astronomy. Sun does not "go" anywhere And definitely does not ask for permission to rise.

[@ahnaf9535]

❤️💚🔥

[@mystichalaly8083]

💯💯💯💯

[@user-s8jb3qb6y]

The plot twist near the end made the Atheists die inside

[@user-s8jb3qb6y]

@@TheOneLogic69 I don't need dishonesty. I need my understanding of Islam and basic intellect, something apparently elusive to you. If that was it, that was pathetic.

[@eseekertruth4931]

@@TheOneLogic69 can you pinpoint or even better copy and paste text here for both? Thank you

[@eseekertruth4931]

@@TheOneLogic69 Thanks for replying. I've read most of your discussions and comments throughout the post. I agree with some of your arguments and disagree with others. Do you know Arabic? It will be much easier and more accurate to discuss Islamic texts in it's original language AND context. I think we have some common Ideas/Principles that we share; but not all.. I'd like to benefit from you in this regard.

[@eseekertruth4931]

@@TheOneLogic69 Great! I prefer more flexible platform to engage in the discussion. Do you suggest or have a better one? For me I'd suggest Telegram or Signal.

[@eseekertruth4931]

@@TheOneLogic69 Sorry for the delay: [e-mail]

[@Philosopher1177]

But we also use present tense for daily activity!!?