Sarakatsani and Aromanians (Vlachs)

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[@mariadespina80]

The Aromanians or Vlachs are the descendants of the Dacians and the Getae from the race of the European Thracians 3500 years ago, living south of the Danube. The same tribes of Dacians and Getae lived north of the Danube in Dacia, today's Romania. We are genetically related and the Latin language is spoken by Romanians as well as Aromanians, but this is more archaic according to the conditions in which they evolved south of the Danube and the Balkans. The Romans are the Ancient Dacians and the Getae are of the same race as the Aromanians. Similar Latin languages. The speakers understand each other. The Aromanians are not Greeks, as they falsely want to include them in the Greek race. and the term Vlach, which appeared in the Middle Ages, means a population speaking the Romance-Latin language. Vallachen. That's what they called us Romanians and the Aromanians from the Balkans. They are not another people.

[@canadian6167]

I am a aromanian and if someone call me saracatsan, I will consider that like an insult!

[@nikoskargas8796]

Above all, Sarakatsani are GREEK-speaking nomadic shepherds. Look on their folk music and songs - their language is north dialect of Greek, but not Vlach. They have only Aromanian loanwords, what is normal since they lead similar style of life. Carsten Høeg’s compared their language with that of Kupatschari (Hellenized Vlachs living near Grevena) and in contrary to Kupatschari, Sarakatsani dialect have no traces that they could be hellenized Vlachs. It also does not contain (as far as I know) any unique Dorian archaisms, as many people in internet states. Those are facts. The rest is just speculations. Also personally I don't think genetic studies in such multiethnic region as Balkans could give us some clear information about their origins.

[@mariadespina80]

Scattered across the Balkans, the Aromanians are currently going through an identity crisis with no way out. The academies of each state in which they live support their own theory about the origin of the Aromanians: Romanians, Romanized Macedonians or Latin-speaking Greeks. Even specialists of Aromanian origin have integrated into the academic currents of the country where they live, which causes an even bigger question mark among Aromanians from Romania, Albania, Macedonia and Greece. Sources and historiography mention them under various names: Vlachs, Vlachs, Aromanians, Macedonian-Romanians, Fârşeroti, Saracaceni, Armenians, Rrămani, etc. They are the same race as the Romanians, the ancient Dacians and the Getae, as they were in antiquity . But they don't know who they are anymore.

[@adibunea855]

„SĂRAC” in Romanian it means a poor person, without wealth.

[@odysseasntalias5950]

Sarakatsanoi say with pride that they carry the most genuine greek DNA and that is exact since they were nomadic people who didn't interact with invaders, new settlers etc. Untill the early 70's they were not marrying other than their people so yes they are the most representative sample of greek DNA. The sarakatsanoi of Bulgaria had little to do with the bulgarians , since most of them ,being nomadic shepherds, spent only half a year in southern Bulgaria (summer , when grass was abundant in bulgaria) and they settled in Makedonia (the real, greek one) in Winter . Many of the Sarakatsanoi were forced to remain in Bulgaria because of the "cold war" sinse their annual migration was then prohibited. The Bulgarians in general terms respected them and even appointed teachers to give them education in greek language. But after a few decades they were forced to give their herds in social style collectives and settle in towns , something that devastated them. A sarakatsan friend who now lives in Greece told me that when this happened many of the elder died from heart attacs and brain strokes , unable to accept the sudden death of their way of life. Until today the sarakatsanoi of Bulgaria and north (fake) makedonia consider themselves greek.

[@jimretz3322]

The Sarakatsani are probably ancestors of Dorians and Pelagonians and their ancenstry ultimately leads to aboriginal Pelasgomycenians. During the three Macedonian wars Rome waged trying to conquer Macedonia, the country folk were split: pro- and anti- Rome factions. The pro-Rome faction quickly accepted elements of Roman culture and first and foremost the vulgar Latin dialect spoke by Roman troops. They were probably the ancestors of the modern Armanians otherwise known as Vlachs. The very name Vlach indicates a probable Keltic ancestry. There was a Keltic incursion into Greece (and Asia Minor where Kelts settled). The other part of Macedonia's country folk resisted Rome and took to the mountains where they remained eversince. The Armani/Vlachs are also highlanders.

[@gnas1897]

Sarakatsani are descendants of Dorians, whereas Vlachs are descendants of Dorians (Macedonians and Epirotes), Thracians and Illyrians.

[@ntenimarkorareincarnation4182]

I remember back in university we had 3 sarakatsani girls in our class they were striking beautiful

[@Sofia-0001]

You need to explain what do you mean by genetic differences and also what do you understand by Vlach and Saracatsani DNA. Saracatsan, Siracatsan means poor, in Vlach languages, equating with nomads. Saracatsani in Bulgaria are most R1b L23 - Z2103 and that is a strong signal of Thracian and Vlach DNA, as is found at more than 36% of Vlachs from south Balkans, the highest in the world and at over 30% of Transylvanian Romanians of mountainous regions, former Dacians in the past. Also I2a1 Saracatsani are clearly NOT Slavs but former Cucuteni culture and Get0 Thracians since Bronze age, as since 2100 BC Thraican cultures overlaped the Proto European Cucuteni cultire of east Carpathians, up to Dnieper river. So is no doubt that they have been assimilated into Greeks during the Byzantine times.

[@Dinosaur315]

Sarakatsanis in Bulgaria mixed with bulgarians thats why (probably due to assimilation policies during communism) they even look bulgarian, but outside they have a variety of different phenotypes. They most likely are native, pre-albanian and pre-vlach epirotes from Pindu mountains rather than vlachs who spread around the south balkans. Nomad=/=Vlach got it? They arent hellenized but native epirus greeks

[@Sofia-0001]

@@Dinosaur315 Vlachs are Pelasg, Pelagonians, by all means - Paleo Balkan language and genes. So there were no Pre Vlach Greeks but rather Pre Greek Vlachs, indigenous to Balkans long before anyone heard about Achaeans aka Greeks. Everything points to that all else is speculations and political propaganda, of newly formed states.

[@mesimeriaris]

@@Sofia-0001 Vlachs, long before anyone heard about Achaeans.... We waz kangs - balkan version

[@Sofia-0001]

@@mesimeriaris Dummy, Vlach people = Pelasg = part of the Getae linguistic family. In ancient times second largest after Indic people, in the world. Latin = Italicized then Celtified Tyrrhenians = mainly Pelasg.

[@intelliGENeration]

Judged by the dresses… Sarakarsani are Bulgarians.

[@nikoskargas8796]

They literally speak and sing in north Greek dialect, and most probably come from Agrafa mountains in Greece. But yeah, they are very "bulgarian"

[@intelliGENeration]

@@nikoskargas8796 Langauge can be acquired to fit in and communicate. Dressing is more of an identity that doesn’t need to change to as a necessity.

[@nikoskargas8796]

@@intelliGENeration I can't agree with you. Language is one of the most important component of ethnic group's identity. Obviously not always, because it can change as you mentioned, but it can't be ignored. Judging someone's ethnicity or origin by such things as costume, folk dress or music is even more speculative and uncertain. It is always questionable what we could label as "exclusively Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian" etc. This isn't something what imho professional researchers should do. All over the world people of the same region can wear similar or almost identical clothes and create similar music, even if they belong to completely different ethnic groups and nations. And as for Sarakatsani, I don't see anything especially "Bulgarian" in their clothes. Their oral traditions and research show that they originated somewhere in Agrafa, Valta or Tzoumerka regions, so definitely not in Bulgaria.