Satellite TV on flat Earth

If you live on flat Earth, then sorry, but no satellite TV for you!
No way to point your dish in the right direction!

[@josleys]

If you are interested in satellites, then look at this satellite tracking website: deimos.ign.fr/

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

You can usu this one too. www.satbeams.com/ There is an mobile app too

[@incredulity8975]

Thanks for the animation, Jos. It nicely demonstrates what any dish installer would expect. The math confirms it... unless of course math is fake. I don't think balloons would do well at 22 thousand miles. 🎈

[@solidus3168]

You know I was talking to a FE'er for the last few days about a rocket he says hit the firmament rather than despun and deployed its parachute. And just a few minutes ago, I thought about this very issue with satellite look angles. When I was deployed to Iraq we used SES-4 which has an elevation of only 11 degrees from the location we were at. Blasted safety on the dish was locked to 20 degrees. So some lumber under the back legs and sandbags later, we were tracking for carrier detect. Now..... this is the same satellite we ATTEMPTED to use stateside from a few locations. and with an elevation of only 3 degrees, was impossible to get a shot on. If the earth were flat, there would have been ZERO issues as the same bird would have been somewhere around 20 degrees elevation and at a completely different azimuth about 30 degrees in the wrong direction.

[@kacangkacang7741]

I'm ready to be globe earther for life if only NASA would swap me for 1 million dollar 🤒

[@josleys]

@@kacangkacang7741 Nobody is interested in you as long as you are a flerfer

[@NonTwinBrothers]

"If you live on Flat Earth, cancel your subscription!" has got to be my favorite line from the flat earth videos

[@josleys]

"LBBstore" refused to stay on-topic so I threw him out.

[@romithromith]

Among other issues, the flat earthers who deny satellites seem to forget that Google Loons only transmit during the day.

[@SpottedSharks]

Look at all the flat-earth tears draining off the side of their flat earth!

[@eurus7534]

Undeniable logic proving the earth is a sphere in under two minutes. Very impressive Jos.

[@kaizenanalyst4833]

Undeniably clever misdirection, i'll give him that.

[@eurus7534]

@@kaizenanalyst4833 I know the earth is a round sphere, I have worked and travelled extensively over the continent of Antarctica. There is no edge, no guards. I just look up to see the southern stars rotating around the sky above me. Then on good days a fantastic display of the southern lights. I daresay, a very similar sight as what would be noticed at the north pole.

[@kaizenanalyst4833]

@@eurus7534 Your experiences notwithstanding, there is an expected rate of curvature which isn't there and ALL terrestrial evidence (leaving out NASA cgi) is that the earth is still and at rest.

[@eurus7534]

@@kaizenanalyst4833 I know for certain the earth is a round ball, have worked and travelled extensively in Antarctica. Even know people who have flown across the continent. From Australia to Antarctica, from there on to South America. People are always flying in, flying out. Sometimes to a different southern continent. If you think there are guards, or an ice wall. You are delusional.

[@eurus7534]

@@kaizenanalyst4833 I do not know where you get your evidence from. My father was a fisherman. We often went out on the ocean. My favourite trips were on clear, calm nights. It was scary, but my dad was there. What I loved most was the lighthouse, it would shine out above us lighting the way to the horizon. Then later the boat would be surrounded with light, courtesy of that lighthouse. Then the lighthouse's beam would drift higher and higher till eventually lost in the clouds. My dad explained this was because of the earth's curve. My dad is the greatest.

[@josleys]

I'm sick and tired of new flat Earther comments that contain no factual arguments and just insults. From now on these will get deleted straight away. The first to be honoured with this is a guy called "stephen coles"

[@facethesky1066]

You can see it in the video: The Maitreya Project & The Fallen Ones - Exposing Mystery Babylon 😚Have a good day.

[@josleys]

Just threw out a guy that calls himself "Truth"

[@MrVideo525]

Haha, I always cringe when I find a video title or channel name with the word TRUTH in it, because I know I won't find any.

[@Pedro76mchlkg]

This is so humiliating. I feel very sorry for flatearthers.

[@josleys]

Threw out "icewall flatearth" for refusing to stay on topic and especially for insulting everybody.

[@josleys]

@TJ Jones Yes, and the trouble is that there is no way to know that you are banned. You can still post comments on a channel where you are banned, but apparently you will be the only one that sees that comment. That's why I think it is fair to announce bans individually. KZbin gives no warning at all!

[@pieterplatvis4286]

@TJ Jones It takes a while, but eventually some semi-intelligent FE'r will say: "Hey everyone TJ Jones is Jos Leys!"

[@petewebb5149]

Seems like flat earthers really, really hate your content because you show with such clarity why their position is so untenable and makes no sense. Bravo!

[@Justwantahover]

All the thumbs down are from flat earthers (sore losers).

[@josleys]

I finally got fed up with "ramon ortiz" spewing insulting comments. We are "idiots" and we have "low IQ" and this comes from someone who makes immortal statements like : "see how alleged planets really appear!! Hint,,,, ,they are transparent and semi transparent multi colored lights that resemble currents of electricity with water behind them!!! "

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

Jos Leys It's so funny to be called ignorant and idiot by a "borderline genius" who does not even know how to use a focus ring. « Se faire traiter d’idiot par un imbécile est une volupté de fin gourmet. »

[@jaimevivesp]

But I was having some fun! :) Ok, maybe it's better to get ride of him... I guess he would not stop lying and changing subject ad nauseam.

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

@@jaimevivesp Ne quid nimis

[@josleys]

@Ian Burgess So far I see nothing that would cause me to ban you. Hitting on flerfers is hobby of mine also!

[@Justwantahover]

The music reference is a nice touch.

[@stumpy4770]

See, what you didn't do there, was bounce the signals off the dome forever, at some point after rebounding 100,000,000 times off the dome and flat earth, they will all converge across one point :/

[@edderiofer]

Surely the signals would have died out by then, after bouncing so many times?

[@chbu7081]

After a delay due to the added travel time due to bouncing so many times off the dome, which isn't there.

[@RockinRobbins13]

*stumpy* So in order to be slaves to the meme of Flatopia we have to junk the law of reflection as well as the law of perspective? That's too much to ask. I'll stay with reality.

[@stumpy4770]

@ Anyone who replied. I thought the word FOREVER and the number 100,000,000 TIMES, would have gave this comment away as sarcasm :/

[@edderiofer]

The problem is that the views of Flat-Earthers are so extreme, it's difficult to tell when something's sarcasm or not.

[@steverushforth7009]

A simple test to see if you are a flat earther, all you need is 2 people, the people should should stand at either side of you and peer into your ears, if they can see one another you are a flat earther.

[@josleys]

Threw out "Don K" for being an arrogant prick refusing to answer any straight question.

[@allahspreadshate6486]

Flat Earther: I don't understand something therefore it must be impossible.

[@pieterplatvis4286]

*impossiball

[@facethesky1066]

What makes you think I don't know something you dont? There is no way, no how that the Elites will tell you the truth. Nasa means "secret."

[@facethesky1066]

Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth and manipulate a lie. 🤔

[@eduardoto100]

flat earth wants to die with videos like this.

[@jagheterbanan]

This is so weird, I was just thinking about how a flerfer would explain why satellite dishes on the equator points straight up and the further N/S you go the closer to the horizon they point.

[@stefanuthoff9203]

Perspective what else,? It simply causes everything...

[@jagheterbanan]

Aspergillus Oh yes of course! Silly me 😅

[@equinoxproject2284]

@@stefanuthoff9203 Angular compression and dirty air.

[@GoldSrc_]

Your videos are a treasure, simple and beautiful. Not even 2 minutes and it already destroys what they can't defend in hours and hours of videos xD.

[@VideoMasterSword]

What does a flat earth believer say: We watch TV with the cable on a FLAT EARTH TV SCREEN CRT TV's have never existed, TVs have always been flat.

[@RockinRobbins13]

Jos, one thing that that's interesting is that your graphics are accurate to scale for distances. Of course we know the satellite is too large to scale, but reducing it to a point would destroy the communication here. At -7,900 miles- 12,714 km in diameter, and the satellite at 35,786 km, the satellite is a smersch over 2.81 Earth diameters away. Measure your graphic and the distances are perfectly to scale! For those doing this at home, remember you measure this from the center of gravity of Earth, not its surface. You are consistently the best at what you do: graphics wizardry. Another great video.

[@teefkay2]

RockinRobbins13 One other thing to note is that the vector arrows shown in your globe converge at NO PLACE below the geosynchronous orbit. So the source of the TV signals cannot originate from balloons, drone ships, or any other nonsense that is within the earth’s atmosphere. BTW, _”... smersch ...”_ ?? Wasn’t that the villain crime agency in the early James Bond movies?

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@teefkay2 It's another brilliant video by a graphics wizard.

[@teefkay2]

RockinRobbins13 Yup, he’s really good.. Love those flat to globe transitions. Do you know what software he uses?

[@tempname8263]

@@teefkay2 Does not matter what he used. You can do the same thing in various software, you just need to know how to code.

[@teefkay2]

@@tempname8263 Capt. Obvious says, _"Computer users != Computer coders."_ He produced some great graphics. But I sincerely doubt that he coded anything. I was a CompSci major ... in 1972. At this late date in my life, I have zero interest in getting back into coding. I have lots of interest in using computers to produce interesting / significant scientific visualizations.

[@Justwantahover]

Perfect simple debunk.

[@comradepierogi]

And here I was compiling some evidence when I could use the thing I see almost everyday on houses to prove the Earth is round. Thanks!

[@thescientist1348]

Great movie. Which software do you use for this animation?

[@josleys]

It's Povray!

[@equinoxproject2284]

This and solar panel alignment are both awesome examples of how hard, any and all FE models fail.

[@vimalramachandran]

You have an uncanny knack of making unique observations. Well done!

[@RockinRobbins13]

Not necessarily unique observations, but uniquely and masterfully visualized.

[@godschild5587]

Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out.............................

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@godschild5587 Satellite dishes don't point at ground towers. Where I live in Florida they don't point at mountains, or under the ocean. Since the software on my TV lets me point the antenna up in the air at a precise point and nowhere but near that point do I receive the signal, that tells me that my antenna is pointed at the source: not a mountain, not a tower, not an under-ocean cable. It's pointed at a satellite, and through a 13" telescope I have photographed this satellite. I can also take the altitude and azimuth from many different ground stations, plot the vectors toward that satellite and they will all intersect exactly where I photographed the satellite, 22,230 miles above the Earth. We all know that the signals we receive do not come from ground towers on the mountain and cables under the ocean. That's just a pathetic meme you parroted from one of the Flatopian Cult high priests. We who have checked it out, who have done the research, know that television satellites are really in space, really hovering over a single position on Earth, really broadcasting that signal, just as our own senses tell us. Believe your senses, bub. Research spherical Earth. Conduct honest, verifiable, repeatable experiments. Believe the results. Earth is a 7,900 mile diameter six sextillion ton sphere orbiting the Sun at 93 million miles away. To not believe that you have to not believe your own senses and everyday experiences.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@SOD's Dopey Child Grow up, and get a clue!

[@arctic_haze]

Flat earth fanatics will ignore this because watching it would destroy their whole world. By the way, I wonder how they will explain the string of 60 Starlink satellites of Elon Musk if they believe there is no space. As a crack in the dome?

[@_Arminius]

Probably. I've heard FEers explain meteor showers as shards falling from the "dome". So that thing is falling apart. One crack more is not going to make the difference to them.

[@carlfrederick6515]

@Kit Canyon Sew ,their are an zipper to the deweme ?dOze nut these prewef the deweme ??? ,(Hay stear aweigh buy migh doze nuts...! ,]

[@nikiwiki2006]

Carl Frederick Right! 🤣🤣🤣

[@scott_meyer]

So last night I flew from Tucson to Denver then on to an unnamed city I was able to use Google maps to see my location while the phone was in airplane mode(cell phone system turned off). While at 39,000 feet, I turned the airplane mode off for a short period. Guess what? I never did get a cell signal, but Google maps kept showing the flight position changing.

[@scott_meyer]

@Délires en vrac It shows that Google Maps doesn't rely on cell tower signal.

[@scott_meyer]

@Délires en vrac There's an Android app called GPS Test that shows which satellites are in view and which ones the phone has a good signal from. From that app I knew what the speed, altitude, and true heading of the plane was. Speed maximum was 615 MPH on the Tucson to Denver leg and 597 MPH on the Denver to final destination leg. Speeds are ground speed.

[@josleys]

Just threw out "unchosen zombie" or some stupid name that sounds like that, just for posting nothing but utter nonsense!

[@its1110]

If only throwing out all the FlerrFerrs, in reality, we're so simple

[@SamSalhi]

Fantastic! Can I ask you to make one for another satellite? How may I contact you?

[@josleys]

Look at www.josleys.com/about.php

[@RandalThor-debunk]

On flattardia tv works only with submarine cable...

[@vincentb9827]

Very close to the meteorological cables !!!

[@vincentb9827]

No connection, no ignition !

[@vincentb9827]

No pognon, no rognons !

[@silva10123]

Do I need to draw?

[@nivri9325]

You just proved it's a globe

[@Justwantahover]

It's EASY to prove a "flat earth", it's CARTOONS! lol (sarcasm)

[@omegatafkal]

Any evidence for Satellites?

[@josleys]

If you are going to start like that you better get out of here. Shit just look up in the sky on a clear night!

[@solidus3168]

@Yuri DeKhed you can see them. Download an app, look up and watch it move. If you pick one that is geo stationary, such as a gps or telecommunications bird it wont move from where it is, you would want to pick a geo synchronous bird.

[@solidus3168]

@Yuri DeKhed Oh shit yea your the guy with the sarcasm nobody is catching. Perhaps TOO smooth?

[@zutapi]

@Ian Burgess certainly satellites? Or Teslas Internet Ballons at 60000 feet all in a nice clean formation. There is no evidence for satellites. Otherwise they would be seen between the earth and moon now and then, right? Oh wait, maybe they are further off than the moon?!

[@zutapi]

@Ian Burgess let me guess... You believe NASA too? Wow more than full of it. Do a little more research of the truth (remember to be open minded)

[@xsuperhd1080p]

Nice animation! Here is a link to a page showing the formulas used to calculate the angles. tiij.org/issues/issues/3_2/3_2e.html Note that the well known radius of the earth and the distance to the geostationary satellites are used in the formula. Also, flatearthers gets confused when seeing sat dishes since many of them are of the type "Offset Satellite Dish". They think they are just pointing horizontal to the nearest "radio tower"... And no, satellites are not balloons...(facepalm).

[@DARK_AMBIGUOUS]

I’ve never seen a satellite dish that faces nearly straight up. Also why can’t you see any of the tens of thousands of satellites through a telescope?

[@josleys]

Go to a place on the equator and see satellites aimed straight up. What would those dishes be for if you think satellites do not exist? You can actually see satellites trough a telescope. There are YT vids that show just that. Go look.

[@romithromith]

Do you own a decent telescope setup and know how to locate satellites? Wolfie6020 has several videos of geostationary satellites seen through a telescope. At 22,000 miles you are going to see specks of light moving against the starfield, not detailed images. But telescope photos/videos showing the form of the ISS, a large satellite at 240 miles in altitude, are posted on KZbin.

[@YouToobeism]

@LOST ANARCHIST, the satellite TV dishes reflect the signal from the satellite into a LNBF receiver that is mounted at foot or so in front of and below the centerline of the dish. Being not directly in front of the dish may account for why the dish is pointed lower than one would expect given the altitude (angle) of the transmitting satellite.

[@raymondphilippe5467]

Excellent .. so clear

[@FunkObama]

​@@romithromithWolfie is a disinformation agent

[@josleys]

Threw out Andy Skinner. People that call us cowards and liars, and that lie themselves about "not being flat Earther but.." are not welcome here..

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

I wonder what his apologies would have looked like ...

[@jaimevivesp]

It was funny when he said he never heard of the FE claim about the sun revolving above us... it's like claiming to have researched UFOs and then saying to have never heard of flying saucers. LOL!

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

​@@jaimevivesp With google "flat earth model sun constant height" Second proposal. 30 seconds maximum.

[@josleys]

@@ledingueodossiers4346 Well, good riddance!

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

Jos Leys Inderdaad

[@naisony]

Hi, Jos. Your VDOs about flat earth debunked is so exciting to me but i can't understand the basic of things you described such as elevation angle, azimuth, direction of them etc..Where can i learn the basic of it before watching your vdos or some suggestion form you whould be appreciated.

[@josleys]

Look up those terms in Wikipedia.

[@dexterxjh5150]

www.timeanddate.com/topics/astronomy

[@dexterxjh5150]

www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/explanation-terms.html

[@naisony]

@@dexterxjh5150 Thanks ^_^

[@crystalwords821]

Do not tire yourself for the Flat Earthers, it is futile to try to convince them. These videos are excellent for us not for them; they are lost. Only 1 one experiment needed for them ... With force, put a Flat Earther in the Pilot's seat and tell him :"shut up your mouth, fool, and fly this airplane all over the world" hahaha, they will run like chickens, they are liars and cowards. So many times this excellent professional Pilot Wolfie6020 challenge them and he destroy all their fantastic theories ... and they insist to their theories ... they are Blind = Mathew 15:14 = do you see what Jesus said? = "Let them alone". They are proud, they think that they are better and smarter than the scientists = Luke 16:8 , Mathew 8:8-12 .

[@RockinRobbins13]

There are two reasons to confront the Flatopian Cultists 1)People who are genuinely confused by their lies and trying to evaluate the trickery come to these videos looking for the truth. We owe it to people to convince them that the entire world hasn't gone wacko insane, and that they can have confident that science is the legitimate process by which we learn the truth about the shape of Earth, the existence of space, the existence of satellites, the distances of solar system objects and much, much more. We post for the sane, not the insane. The Japanese are fond of saying that only death cures insanity. They are right. 2)We oppose them because given enough leeway, wacko derangement becomes the norm. In 1780s France, anti-intellectual, anti-science weirdos seized control of France. They guillotined prominent scientists, saying "they were of no use to the revolution." They banned scientific societies and taught education was horrible programming of revolutionary minds. They killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. If we let them go as "normal people" and don't bother them they will become dangerous. Someone so addicted to authority that they would abandon every aspect of daily experience and take up the cause of Flatopia is capable of just about any deranged leader who wants to similarly manipulate them for violent and evil means. We are not trying to convince Flatopians and their fellow travelers, the Conspiracy Enthusiasts. We are convincing the rest of humanity that they are wrong and demonstrating how enslaved they are to ridiculously obvious and false dogma, propagated by their Flatopian Cult high priests, which they worship, accepting every word they say without question, needing no evidence or proof that these lying high priests are telling the truth.

[@crystalwords821]

​@@RockinRobbins13 Never the lie will prevail for ever ... their end is coming. Revelation 22:15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. John 18:38 Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” = John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. = John 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. = 1Corinthians 13: 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

[@crystalwords821]

@@RockinRobbins13 I agree with this, but I like it all these videos because are very good for me and my children. Thank you very much for your interest in getting us informed

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@crystalwords821 Yes, I have said it many times before. Those Flatopian Cultists pretend to be Christian, following a Bible that condemns liars like them to hell.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@crystalwords821 You're very welcome! I hope you find my videos helpful as well. I try to find areas where our common conceptions just don't fit reality and try to illustrate what the reality really looks like, to scale, in real time. Sometimes we know the right numbers and have jumped to the wrong mental picture of what the numbers mean.

[@nonothebot]

So beautifull animations on each video, I love it ! Thank you Jos and congratulations for your work.

[@chriswhitt6685]

Bravo Loving your channel and content. It cuts to the chase. Love it.

[@manfredwitzany2233]

Has any flatearther solved this puzzle? As we know the flat earth community has members all over the globe!

[@its1110]

@@hongry-life Grasshopper, you have but to learn to reshape your likes.

[@papalee52531]

Manfred Witzany have you discovered an actual photo of the Fairytale from space yet?

[@papalee52531]

TJ Jones show us a picture of the Fairytale Blue Marble!

[@_Arminius]

FEer: Satellites don't exist!! Normal person: What about our moon? That's a satellite. FEer: No, that's a self-illuminating heavenly body. If there are satellites, why can't we see them? Normal person: Use a telescope! They are too far away to see with the naked eye. Btw, our Global Positioning System uses satellites. FEer: No, it's called GROUND Positioning System, you'r a sheep. It uses weather balloons. Normal person: Weather balloons? Of which you have no coordinates and are impossible to see I suppose... 🙄

[@_Arminius]

@TJ Jones Lol, yeah, this was the first time I heard what that acronym means to them, but he still said somewhere down the line it's consistent with their map... 🙄 NO, IT ISN'T, the distances just don't add up and which map do they mean? That 2D projection of a spherical Earth they always parade? Try asking them how that FE-map came to be. Apparently it's somewhere in a US atlas according to one of them, other claims are NATO. They claim it to be the "real" map, not a projection. A FE-clue. Boy, the almighty globe conspiracy sure screws up a lot in hiding the "truth" 😜

[@equinoxproject2284]

Other than the image of satellite, this looks like it is to scale. Is it?

[@josleys]

Yes!

[@equinoxproject2284]

@@josleys Great demonstration of reality Jos!! Do one about solar panel alignment next. Thanks for the great animation and music.

[@appresley4071]

And that's that, how many times Jos have you got to prove. Flat Earth is dead.

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

Nicely stated :) . Love the animation too.

[@winoles]

Very good simple demonstration, congrats!

[@godschild5587]

...........Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out.-------face the reality.

[@winoles]

@@godschild5587 you are wrong, the parabolic sutface exist to collect and concentrate the signals, and do not need to be absolutely 100% aligned, they accept some deviation, thats peecisely why a parabolic surface is used, a basic analytic geometry knowledge from school is what you NEED to know to understand how these antennas work

[@godschild5587]

@@winoles you are wrong again.

[@josleys]

@God's Child : do you even know what a parabolic surface is and why that is used, and not a flat surface for instance?

[@winoles]

@@josleys yes I know, any waves hitting the surface are reflected and pass thru the focus of the parabole, so what?

[@semperfi2813]

Very goog Mr. Jos Leys. I have a channel that fights this bullshit (Flat Earth) in Brazil. Can I play your video there?

[@josleys]

Sure!

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

Great content, as always :) .

[@Bartalosko]

I was just recently subscribing to a new provider and re-setting my dish and this came in to my mind and Ive found your awesome video : )

[@reynaldowify]

Hi, nice information

[@josleys]

Just deleted an absolute nonsense comment by " indomitable reasoning"

[@josleys]

Threw out Alaric Aguila for denying the holocaust.

[@josleys]

@My Secret Account On my channel, I decide what is free speech. Anyone disagrees? Then stay away!

[@josleys]

@My Secret Account There is a warning sometimes. At least I always announce when some person is banned. Most flerf sites do not do that, and the trouble is that one continues to see one's own messages on some channel, even if banned! So it take some time and effort to discover that there is a ban.

[@josleys]

Just deleted an absolute nonsense comment by "Wendy McDonald"

[@raphaelarques3195]

Il y a beaucoup trop de flatards idiots par ici. 😞

[@badger6598]

@@raphaelarques3195 OUI!!

[@fluxrez]

wait, you didn't factor in the curvature of the firmament dome which acts as a lens for the... haha, I just cant do it. Nice animation!

[@tanyanguyen3704]

Johnny LastName - cause sunlight bounces off the lenses in such a way to make an exact straight line between night and day, but at the same time, information sent by fake satellite dish can bounce in any direction it wants, cause.. (wait for it.....) PERSPECTIVE

[@nikiwiki2006]

Johnny LastName Something about the angle of the dangle?

[@per.gammerath]

Great idea. I wonder how FE reasons their way out of this one.

[@david_akerman]

"reason"?

[@davidmurphy563]

Easy. Try it yourself: put your hands over your ears, stamp your foot and shout "na-na-na _not listening_ na-na-na" Job done.

[@godschild5587]

Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out.........

[@david_akerman]

@@godschild5587 So the fact that a satellite dish has a narrow reception angle means that satellites don't exist? You realise that you actually demonstrated that they do exist, don't you?

[@madhupjoshi130]

Excellent!

[@inTruthbyGrace]

you do not have the mapping coordinates for a "flat earth" there is no such map!

[@josleys]

Maybe that is because there is no such thing as a flat Earth?

[@franzusgutlus54]

Burn😂

[@romithromith]

Any idea how aircraft pilots navigate without maps?

[@inTruthbyGrace]

@@romithromith Hi Robert.. I was merely pointing out the obvious problem with there being no "flat earth" equivalent of google earth.

[@SkoomaCat]

👍 Thank you for explaining this.

[@PilotFlo]

Everybody knows that space is fake and so are satellites. Do your research!!!11!! *sarcasm*

[@LiezlsVlog]

Nice to know that information thank you

[@raydencreed1524]

Imagine thinking you have a model for your giant pancake when you really don’t. Can’t relate.

[@erikhoppe9133]

A great video, Jos Leys. Thanks. I see that you attract a lot of FE believers, some that claim that "no working model is needed" and some that change the subject when asked for a model. So; flat Earth believers: Don't mind the "model"! But a MAP is needed, also on a flat Earth. So why don't you simply measure the world and make one? Because you can't? If so: Why not? But if you can: What's stopping you? Or is there really a map that is correctly showing distances - both East-West and North-South? If so: Please show it. Kids: Please stay in school. Please!

[@hellomike]

flat Earth believers don't need to measure because......reasons ;-) (real reason is of course because the have no idea how to use measuring tools at all)

[@godschild5587]

......Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out.--------

[@hellomike]

@@godschild5587 Earth is a spinning ball. Check it out.-------- Word 'flat' is used only twice in the entire bible and not in the context of flat earth. Check it out.--------

[@erikhoppe9133]

@@godschild5587 I asked for a map - nothing else.

[@milanevic]

@@godschild5587 copy past trol!

[@videobitsofreality]

Great animation

[@WadesUnderworld]

Nice one. Very cool.👍

[@appresley4071]

Good to see two fellow Ytubers support each other.

[@yesterdaily7053]

Mr. Leys, you are great in trashing the FE with those animations. And that gave me a video idea. Is it possible for you to have a comparison between globe Earth and FE showing some observations? For example, at first the 2 models will be shown. Then an observation will take place in the animation like the equinox and how will the 2 models fit the observation. Then another observation takes place like the eclipse/s. What I'm pointing out here is the globe Earth will be as it is and the FE will be changing all the time depending on the observation given. That is when the morphing will take place on the FE model. I'm not sure if this was done already but I know you demonstrated already the sunlight in FE. This is a suggestion only. I'm not capable of creating the animation myself but if you'd hear me out, huge thanks for looking into this suggestion. I love your works. -Yesterdaily

[@josleys]

I've done some of that in separate videos. Trouble is that for some phenomena, I have no idea how they work on flat Earth, so I cannot animate them. Eclipses for instance!...and I can't go and ask the flat Earthers as they have no idea either!

[@yesterdaily7053]

@@josleys Oh well. If they can't come up with an explanation for these observations, we shouldn't either since those are already explained how they work on a globe Earth. Thank you for your feedback. :)

[@yesterdaily7053]

@TJ Jones I totally agree with you on that one. It's just that flattards don't know how to stop their nonsense so I'm thinking if there's way to highlight how ridiculous their delusion is. Like showing a non-consistent FE model.

[@yesterdaily7053]

@TJ Jones Agreed.

[@eagleeyedthinker2722]

What a load of nonsense 😂😂😂

[@josleys]

So satellites do not exist, is that what you mean? In that case you need to tell us what that website is for that tells you how to point your satellite dish. ...and what good is a satellite dish anyway according to you?

[@romithromith]

Level Plane, you mirror videos that say nuclear weapons are nonsense because no one has ever seen an atom, and that stars and planets as astronomical bodies are nonsense because some idiot can't manually focus a P900. So now satellites at 22,000 miles are nonsense because you say so. Priceless.

[@FenrizNNN]

How tf do you think you're watching this?

[@YouToobeism]

@Eagle Eyed Thinker said "a load of nonsense". Both Jos and Robert have asked reasonable questions of you. Care to fashion an answer that does make sense? Unless you are a homesteader above the Arctic circle, how can you be oblivious to modern technology demonstrated by the presence of satellite dishes on not a scarce number of homes in a majority of the cities of the world? Is your pipe-dream of returning to the 1700s and unpasteurized milk blinding you? Have you eyes, but cannot see?

[@drosophilamelanogaster4262]

Two years have passed, have you learned anything in the meanwhile?

[@Kualinar]

Devastating for the flat coaster earth zealots.

[@godschild5587]

Earth is stationary and flat....Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out.....

[@Kualinar]

@@godschild5587 Why do you think those satellites are called «geo-SYNCHRONOUS satellites»? Answer : They are carefully placed into orbits that keep them in a constant position over a specific location. Next : Look at the direction those satellite dishes are oriented. The ALL point UPWARD ! Also, they all point in the same direction. It's just impossible to have towers that are high enough, and not have them converge to a specific ground location. Earth have been known to be spherical for AT LEAST the last 2500 years! It's rotation have been demonstrated and measured 1000's of times over the last 300 to 400 years. It's orbital movement around the Sun have been demonstrated and measured for almost as long. NO evidences whatsoever are compatible with a flat earth. That concept have been disproved and abandoned by the ancient Greeks. ALL societies that existed long enough that initially believed the Earth to be flat eventually realized their error and adopted the ball model.

[@Kualinar]

@@godschild5587 I forgot to mention : Copernicus was a member of the clergy, as well as several, if not most, of the astronomers of his era. He is the first who have clearly shown that the Earth orbit the Sun in the same way as all the other planets. He demonstrated that ONLY the Moon orbits the Earth.

[@josleys]

As loopy Ryane was apparently only here to annoy us with his baseless nonsense, I threw him out.

[@RockinRobbins13]

I would have told him, in reference to his ridicule of our 67,000 miles per hour orbital velocity about the Sun: ​ loopy Ruane _" is your head spinning at 660000 miles per hour? lol."_ No, my head is traveling in a 186 million mile diameter nearly circular ellipse around the sun at a speed closer to 67,000 miles per hour. My rotational speed of 1/525,600th of a single revolution per minute means I can't detect my movement at all. If my senses were a thousand times more sensitive, they wouldn't be sensitive enough to detect that tiny acceleration.

[@Charlieleonard]

How many satellites in orbit of earth ??? Must be very crowded up there in space. It has to be flat 😎

[@josleys]

Crowded? No not really. You guys have no idea a big space around Earth is.

[@RockinRobbins13]

*cycleman* _"Must be very crowded up there in space. It has to be flat 😎"_ If Earth were a domed dirt pizza as you Flatopian Earth Cultists lie about, then the area above Earth for satellites would be 2*the radius squared of the pizza times Pi, times the height above the Earth of the furthest satellite. For the sphere of Earth, the equation is 2 times the radius CUBED, where the radius includes the height to the highest satellite. We'll pretend the domed dirt pizza is 200 miles across and satellites are 200 miles high. So the area for the satellites to play (including within the atmosphere) is 200 squared times 200 or 25,120,000 cubic miles. However on a spherical Earth 200 miles in diameter with satellites 200 miles above that has a radius of 300 miles, CUBED, times pi. That's 169,560,000 cubic miles for the same number of satellites to play in, more than six times less crowded. Edit: actually my calculation is oversimplified, because you have to subtract the area that a medium sized rocky planet occupies. It still leaves much more area for satellites than a flat Earth would. And how do satellites stay up if they're not orbiting a sphere? This is the basis of why Flatopians have to take their most extraordinary error: the denial of gravity.

[@appresley4071]

There are just under 5000 satellites in space, most too small to be seen. There are about 40,000 jet aeroplanes also flying the skies. So jets outnumber satellites eight to one. The flight path above you is eight times as crowded. Then most planes fly at similar altitudes, whereas satellites are not limited to a specific altitude, some are 250 miles high, the furthest about 290,000 miles. That is a very large area for 5000 satellites to orbit earth.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@appresley4071 And the sky is just black with airplanes! it's so crowded that they collide every couple of minutes and rain death down on Flatopia. I'm glad I live on spherical Earth.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@Anthony Davis Some of your points in your post aren't quite right. The ISS does experience a little bit of atmospheric drag, which slows down its orbital velocity and brings its orbit closer to Earth than desired. Infrequently and not on a schedule, but as the situation warrants, ISS boosts in prograde to raise its orbit back to nominal parameters. This requires two boosts, 180 degrees apart in its orbit, to raise apogee and perigee. A single burn raises the opposite side or the orbit but does not affect where the ISS is when the burn is made. You are confused about satellites being _"pushed out of Earth's orbit."_ and _"beyond Earth's gravity."_ There is no place beyond Earth's gravity. You can't raise the orgit "out of Earth's orbit" without exceeding 25,000 miles per hour, escape velocity for orbiting Earth when you change frames of reference from Earth orbit to Solar orbit. But even then you are still subject to Earth's gravity. What you are thinking about is the limited number of geosynchronous orbit "parking spots." They are licensed out and owners of each spot are required, at the end of their satellite's life, to boost the satellite up into a higher, no longer geosynchronous orbit so that spot is available for the next licensee. The old satellite is still in orbit, just not taking up especially valuable space in a geosynchronous orbital spot. Similarly, most satellites aren't just allowed to decay slowly until they reenter Earth's atmosphere naturally. Nowdays, satellites have retro-rockets so they can be deorbited to a specific graveyard spot in the South Pacific Ocean, furthest from any land mass.

[@Justwantahover]

All the thumbs down are from flat earthers.

[@steviekutys]

Thats because the satellites are actually underwater because of the firmament. They would be caught if they said they had to put them in the ocean. It's also why we have mass sea life die offs, in conjunction with the navy's sub programs. ** and I subbed :) **

[@RockinRobbins13]

Firmament means "empty space." Nobody believes that space is water...that is, except Flatopian Cultists, who probably don't believe it either. They just want US to believe it.

[@steviekutys]

I was just sharing what I've learned nothing else

[@steviekutys]

@@RockinRobbins13 nobody? That's all out dismissive and not worth arguing.

[@RockinRobbins13]

@@steviekutys Prove me wrong then. Surely you have a *sample* of this water. Surely you have some reason that water doesn't just fall to the ground and drown us all. Surely you have just *one* piece of evidence, *one* person who believes that outer space has been traded out for water. No? Then it's *you* who are being dismissive. As you've said, "I'm just sharing what I've learned nothing else." And what's this delusion about submarines and _"mass sea life die offs?"_ and satellites that they _"had to put them in the ocean?"_ Seems pretty flaky to me, a bit deranged, delusional, perhaps... It would have been clearer to you had I said "No sane person believes that space is water....except, that is, Flatopian Cultists, who probably don't believe it either. They just want *us* to believe it." See? I made it even clearer.

[@steviekutys]

@@RockinRobbins13 it's easy to find videos of air bubbles floating up from the astronaut helmet at the supposed space station ...if I found them by accident, surely you can find them on purpose. I don't need to prove anything because I did my own research, as should you. I will go find you the link of the air bubbles video though. However, your dismissive attitude tells me it won't much matter.

[@misterjoerg8086]

Now that was one hour of fun going through the comments. A big thanks to all the flerfers for the comedy they provide.

[@josleys]

Yes! Some of them are amazing aren't they? (amazingly stupid, I mean of course)

[@misterjoerg8086]

They truly are the gift that keeps on giving...

[@moochiezpitt]

Just repaying you for all the jokes of NASA, space and the globe. Thank you ball lovers. 😆

[@CNCmachiningisfun]

@@moochiezpitt Grow up!

[@mannictrip338]

I like your other videos because they actually do debunk aspects of the flat earth model, Jos This one doesn't really work though, since flat earthers don't believe in space or satellites in the first place. Although there are those that claim satellites are all balloons (in which case the dishes would still have to point at a common point), they can just claim that dishes in different cities point at local towers instead.

[@josleys]

Well I know very well that flatties make up an explanation for everything. The website to look up the satellite's direction is there just for show, and satellite dishes are actually some sort of normal TV antennas, with an inbuilt device that cuts the reception if the dish is not properly aligned. The true joke is that that cut-out device supposedly works with GPS!

[@josleys]

@@sendintheclowns7305 Don't attempt to apply any logic to flattie reasoning!

[@claudeghendrih762]

@@josleys That's an oxymoron

[@silenthunter8254]

The local tower ad hoc falls apart when dishes on the north side of the city point almost exactly as those on the south side. The balloon ad hoc fails due to the winds at high altitude would carry the balloons out of transmit path in a matter of minutes. You would need highly sophisticated equipment slung under those balloons. If their loiter time was 15 minutes you would need 96 balloons. All those balloons flying around on a regular basis... where are photos. If the FElemmings want to say they are tethered... they need to show the world photos of the tethers.

[@silenthunter8254]

@Just Looking if the dish is at 45deg and the avg height of cell tower in the US is 200' the the tower would have to be less then 225' from the dish.

[@outerlands3382]

It is reflected off the dome which is why there is solid coverage everywhere . If it was satellites there would be breakdowns and the weather would affect coverage . Also satellite cost is astronomical , tower and cable system is tried and tested and much cheaper and that is the system your TV uses

[@josleys]

No that is not the system your Tv uses. What do you think satellite dishes are for?

[@outerlands3382]

@@josleys the dishes and the tower transmissions are pointed to the same place , the sun may leave a trail of particles or microwaves that makes this possible so dishes may be pointed at the suns path or the dome

[@josleys]

@@outerlands3382 Well, what can I say without becoming offensive? Do you hear yourself speak? Does it not sound very dumb? Read a book on the subject, or consult Wikipedia, and then come back. Until you have done that you better stay away from here!

[@outerlands3382]

@@josleys I'm not going to waste my time on that or books on gravity . It will be the same regurgitation . Anyone who thinks we get TV signal or internet connection from satellites is the dummy

[@appresley4071]

@@outerlands3382 I have sailed to Antarctica, sailed along the equator. Where ever I went GPS always worked, 100s of miles from the nearest mobile phone tower, my satellite phone always works. Should also say while in the Antarctic ocean, did witness days of continuous daylight. When I sailed along the equator, the sun rose exactly due east, set exactly due west, also hard to explain that on a flat-earth map.

[@doctormaddyson]

Вы не устали так долго и активно спорить с верующими в плоскую Землю? Это же как играть в шахматы с противником, который на ходу выдумывает свои правила и ходит фигурами так, как хочет. Даже если Вам удастся каким-то чудом поставить ему мат, то он всегда в конце может сказать, что это означает, что он выиграл. Просто есть люди, которые вообще неспособны ни в логику, ни в аргументацию. Они не способны построить даже простейшую дедуктивную цепочку у себя в голове, и они даже не пытаются понять, как работает логика, даже на уровне квадрата Аристотеля, не говоря уже о логике предикатов. Они так и будут Вам отвечать глупости, даже не пытаясь вникнуть в Ваши аргументы. Специально пишу на своем родном русском языке, чтобы под моим комментариев было как можно меньше комментариев верящих в плоскую землю, так как большинству из них вряд ли будет не лень скопировать мой комментарий в переводчик. И также не упущу возможность поблагодарить Вас за сделанные Вами десять лет назад короткие видео на тему четвертого измерения. В те далекие годы они побудили во мне интерес заниматься математикой и физикой, и теперь я учусь на физика. Спасибо Вам!

[@josleys]

Спасибо за ваши комментарии!

[@equinoxproject2284]

@@josleys Translation please.

[@josleys]

@@equinoxproject2284 Google translate does a decent job on this...

[@equinoxproject2284]

@@josleys ok thanks, I will copy it over.

[@gill7045]

Another great example illustrating the FE madness! 👍🏻

[@BootlegSonicToy]

Wow, that was beautiful

[@heaart2145]

Another lie

[@BootlegSonicToy]

@@heaart2145 show me some evidence

[@nikiwiki2006]

hea art Don’t be a prick hea! Calling people a liar is not nice or says anything about the facts.

[@facethesky1066]

One of you has to be stable. Prove that the satellite doesn't MOVE!!

[@jaimevivesp]

What more proof do you need apart from the satellite dish not having to move to follow the satellite?

[@romithromith]

In a moving carnival merry-go-round (ignoring their up and down movement) do the inner and outer carousel horses move relative to each other? Same idea on a different scale.

[@joejose8433]

Don't take this one link as gospel but? It might make you wonder or it may not anyway it's your choice but it makes a lot of sense to me. Enjoy kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJSam5dplp6Di6M

[@josleys]

@@joejose8433 So what are satellite dishes for? Just for show?

[@jaimevivesp]

@@joejose8433 Satellites do exist. You can prove it with a smartphone. While connected to the internet with cellular data or WiFi, download an offline google map from a zone where you know there is no cell tower coverage. Now, go that place, check that you don't have coverage and then open google maps on the smartphone. Be sure GPS is activated, and look how the smartphone is able to track your position on the downloaded map. I did it, and it works. If there are no cell towers in sight to give me coverage for calls or data, how the hell is the phone tracking my position accurately on the map?

[@dwilliams2068]

Now I understand geostationary satellites. They are all supported by long blue rods. I should have realized that something like that was needed. By the way, superb software. Where did you get it?

[@josleys]

It's done in Povray.

[@josleys]

@Saul Goode Thanks Saul! Small correction though: to my knowledge Nasa does not use Povray, they prefer real photographs.

[@dwilliams2068]

@@josleys Looks like an interesting program. I'll have a look. In addition I was a Commodore dealer before I retired. (For those who don't relate to that comment, look uo Amiga.) Also, the original Commodore Pet computers had an HPIB interface and at times, in industry, I was driving a $3,000 HP plotter with a $600 Commodore computer.

[@jaimevivesp]

@@josleys FE aside, the JPL did use POV-Ray scenes to train their computer vision algorithms, IIRC. I know because they asked me to use some of my scenes for that very purpose.

[@josleys]

@@jaimevivesp Ok, but don't tell the flerfers. They will misunderstand and make a vid on how Nasa uses nothing but Povray!

[@IndigenousAmericanTrucker]

Lmao this is all wrong! This would be correct except satellites in space don't exist and the ones on the ground are aimed at the dome not to an orbiting satellite in space! Signals are aimed at the dome and bounced back n forth from senders to receivers and vice versa and until folks understand that a flat earth will.never make any sense to them! Signals can also be bounced back forth from plane or balloon satellites like for instance an AWAX plane which would not be necessary or have any use if orbiting satellites in space existed! Remember space outside the atmosphere is water and we can't go there, the only space we can go is under the atmosphere or high in the sky!

[@ledingueodossiers4346]

IndigenousAmericanTrucker88 Interesting... But if satellite dishes are aiming AWAK airplanes, why are they fixed ? And about the « bouncing back » of the beam, you only show that you don’t know anything about the behavior of microwaves in Ku and Ka bands. Advancing your ignorance as an argument ... On a badly heard it could work. Except that here you may meet people who REALLY know the topics you are brewing on.

[@josleys]

@IndigenousAmericanTrucker88 Keep on trucking, but please stay away from a discussion on satellites! This is not for you!

[@appresley4071]

Amazing, that not one flat-earther has a clue what the edge of their pizza world would even look like. Yet they say something is there in Antarctica, but they haven't a clue what.

[@its1110]

Television and other telecommunication signals are not "bounced". That is an unfortunate term that is used. The uplink frequencies and the downlink frequencies are different. It is transmitted up on an uplink frequency and then transmitted back down on a different downlink frequency. FlerrFerrs should not be allowed to use technology!

[@its1110]

@TJ Jones Hell! I could really really use the money... But I am certainly sane enough to know that no matter how big the reward might be there is no way to win it. Maybe this sort of explains the delusion of certain people. Wanting to win something unwinnable. How's that trickle-down thing working?

[@oscarb9139]

They can still pay for a Dish subscription, but it is all NASA created material.

[@a.g.8955]

Lmao FE exposed again 😂

attention pour les "terre plate" les satellites existe pas (Par contre vas savoir comment ils font pour regarder la télévision) Bonne vidéo.

[@vincentb9827]

Ils en sont resté à Guignol et Gnafron , autrement dit Kiki et Waldek, le duo infernal !

[@caesarsneezer6992]

How does the satellite break through the glass dome? Was the dome there before glass was invented? Wouldn't we have choked on our own fumes by now? Wouldn't the hot (everyone agrees the sun is hot, I hope) sun have melted the glass by now and the glass would have had to have been repaired or replaced? How could the dome have been installed before there were cranes, even if cranes were used to put it up? Wouldn't someone have to periodically clean the dome of all the particulate from the surface people and dust, etc? Wouldn't the dome act as a heat shield to keep the heat in and we would have fried by now? I need answers from Flat Earthers. I will be convinced of flat earth with logical answers to just these questions, never mind the scientific explanations. Leave those to the astro nerds. You know, fractions, math, all that silly egghead stuff

[@caesarsneezer6992]

@Ian Burgess I guess they hire aliens for that

[@ReinoGoo]

Dome or no dome doesn't matter. Our fumes stays on the earth, in one form or another.

[@Enboc]

Flat-Earthers would just say that such website exists for the purpose of making us believe the Earth is round...

[@claudeghendrih762]

Fire Pi They'd also have to come up with an explanation as for why those orientation coordinates work perfectly every time, but I'm pretty sure they'd come up with something like a zillion hot air balloons or maybe reflection on the dome and of course perspective .

[@Enboc]

@@claudeghendrih762 At first I was very interested in Flat-Earth (how they manage to justify such obviously wrong fact and stuff) but when I noticed that it is all about conspiracy theories, I lost interest. What a shame!

[@claudeghendrih762]

@@Enboc Well it is a case study to understand how "conspiracism " works, decrypting individual ideological or psychological motivations of both shills and earnest believers. An important study since one cannot hope to defeat those that would draw benefit from the spreading of distrust and ignorance in any given population without being at least as attentive as they are in this field of research. Besides it's also a pretty good opportunity to refresh one's scientific literacy, have you watched Jos leys's other videos on mathematics ?

[@godschild5587]

Satellites dishes don't recieve the signals from satellites in the space because a satellite dish is so sensitive a slight movement of the dish it shows no signal so we know all signals we recieve is from ground towers on the mountain and cables under ocean. Check it out........

[@moochiezpitt]

So thats why I can't find curvature. Fake sats in fake space hide it with their lasers. 😆

[@906AKORN]

@TJ Jones got emmmm

[@filipecb]

Woooooowww. This is more than enough for the ones with little brain functionality to understand once and for all...

[@matt_555]

Slam dunk.

[@FrenchCrow]

Excellent again !

[@josleys]

Thanks. Saw your comment on GPS satellites. You are right but i deleted it inadvertently...sorry!

[@FrenchCrow]

@@josleys No problem.

[@whereswa11y]

Love it Jos, LOL and a little bit sad.

[@TheBlackcloud2012]

From NASA: Rigid Body Equations of Motion Referenced to an Arbitrary Fixed Point on the Body There are several approaches that can be used to develop the general equations of motion. The one selected here starts with Newton’s laws applied to a collection of particles defining the rigid body (any number of dynamics or physics books can serve as references, e.g. reference 2). In this paper, the rigid body equations of motion over a flat non-rotating earth are developed that are not necessarily referenced to the body’s center of mass. Such equations will be used in the next section when the body loses a portion of its mass and it is desired to track the motion of the body’s previous center of mass/reference frame now that the mass center has moved to a new position.

[@josleys]

Wow, you read complicated stuff! Now what does this have to do with my vid on satellites, anything? If nothing, then we could just as well delete it, don't you think?

[@TheBlackcloud2012]

@TJ Jones LOL so they assume a flat non rotating earth in all equations of flight...trajectory...rockets...etc. and I'm cherry picking...LOL the irony.

[@TheBlackcloud2012]

@@josleys go ahead...I have many documents from credible sources outside of trolls like yourself on youtube saying the earth is a flat non rotating enclosed system. If you choose to not entertain that you can be lied to that's on you! Keep trying to debunk something you are so adamant about...lol how that makes sense is insane...it would be like me trolling 5 year olds and trying to convince them santa is not real.

[@hashmaldawn3878]

@@TheBlackcloud2012 We most certainly can be lied to. You are lying to us right now!

[@TheBlackcloud2012]

@@hashmaldawn3878 Your Ego hurts I get it.

[@americastillthegreatestcou1616]

I am not a flat earther but I will be the first to tell you that 99.9% of all communication that you know of and that we're using right now is land-based cables stretch continent from continent Fiber Optic Cables actually. Very cute video though

[@josleys]

Well you do sound like a flat Earther though! Any idea what all these satellite dishes are for?

[@jaimevivesp]

"I am not a flat earther" Maybe, but reading your comments, you seem to have the same level of understanding of this video. That is, none.

[@hiraldosternflyer7112]

Do you use a cable when you talk or use your mobile phone? That seems pretty ... non mobile to me.

[@mangojulie123]

Do you use GPS and maps on your mobile phone or in your car? Depending on what type of use you have, you may be using satellite or you may be using satellite. It's not one or the other. Most consumers use both without realizing it. Communication doesn't mean phone calls and cable TV. There are also some places on Earth where yo can ONLY communicate via satellite. But fibre optic is faster and has more bandwidth than satellite so it is preferred by service providers of certain services. And satellite is much cheaper over LONG distances, so it may be preferable for services that go over such distances. Anyway, the point is that you should not think of fibre-optic and satellite as an either-or choice and that was not the point of this video. It was simply using the EXAMPLE of how satellites work to prove a specific point.

[@ReinoGoo]

@@josleys They are mostly for mass-media: The same data from the satellite to all recievers. That includes GPS.

[@Peter_Scheen]

I pointed that out to a flattard. His respons was that he installed dishes and he simply pointed them with trial and error until he got a signal.

[@PeteJohnson1471]

Not a flatie, but it's possible to wing it. I used to have a 1 Metre Motorised system back in the 90's and used to wing it in a direction and see if I could pick anything up ;-). Was actually quite cool for raw news feeds. The pic in my circle is one of the many pics I have received from the International Space Station when ARISS run special Slow Scan TV Events.

[@billsmith5960]

@@PeteJohnson1471 - I have a 90cm motorized dish. It took me two days to get it right. Getting it from horizon to horizon was a challenge but it now gets everything from 8 deg W to 127 deg W. So the fixed dishes are really easy. I bet if that guy was a real installer he had a basic $20 signal finder just to speed up the process.

[@douglashughes1392]

research more. you are using cgi

[@josleys]

Oh, I'm sorry! I forgot for a moment that CGI can only be used to promote flat Earth! Sorry! Sorry! Won't happen again!

[@vincentb9827]

May I have a REAL photo of the "dome " or the Ice Wall ?

[@douglashughes1392]

@@vincentb9827 I don't work for or with nasa. ask them to do the same please. they only CGI

[@douglashughes1392]

@@josleys Google earth is not a good tool to try and prove any point.

[@josleys]

@@douglashughes1392 Google Earth? Google Earth has nothing to do with this vid! Is complaining about "CGI" the only thing you can come up with? Why would there be a website with the data for hundreds of satellites? Any comment on that?

[@felicianoivan3510]

Another CGI nice try. Fe

[@josleys]

Yes! Thanks for the compliment! What do you like best about it? Don't be shy!

[@romithromith]

It's a public service for flat earthers who can't think in 3 dimensions, and who struggle with critical thinking to begin with. Do you have an alternative explanation for the angles without playing the conspiracy card?

[@lucvador2025]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@maitreyoda9358]

Game over