Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 vs Saucony Endorphin Elite

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@kentm7731 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I was +4:45 slower off my Marathon PR due to the slipping in the rain. My marathon PR though is also in the Elite, in dry conditions. It’s a great fast shoe, but so weather dependent.

@mbrackmann8 3 ай бұрын

I just ran my first half marathon this past Sunday. Didn’t run as fast as I’d like because I had some things come up during training, but I wore the Endorphin Pro 4 per your recommendation and I loved it. I’m 6’4”, 210lbs, kinda slow. Shoe was perfect. Comfortable throughout the entire race, but I could tell the foam and carbon plate kept me rolling along. Also had a bit of rain at like mile 8-9 and the outsole grip never left me wondering if I’d slip.

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Congrats on the first half finish! 🙌🏽 and glad the shoe worked well for you

@davidg9120 3 ай бұрын

I'm a 5:10 pace marathon, 5 hours 10 min. 😂 even my 1/4 mile pace is over 6 pace. I do like the cielo x1 though walking pace it's not stable for me so for anyone who may walk a little it gets unstable for me when walking but for long runs I it's one of my favorite shoes for sure. And I had issues with the heel stiching with the adios pro 3 so yeah buyer beware. I returned both Paris models as I need more stability.

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

what's your favorite marathon shoe right now? is it still the gara depsite the durability issues?

@davidg9120 3 ай бұрын

@@supwell have only run halfs so far but I'm on the fence between the gara and the endorphin pro 3. I think the durability issues I have is mostly that I'm 200 lbs and land more heavily on one side of the heal than the other but the pro 3 has less wear than the gara and the pro 4 and I have more miles on my pro3. The gara maybe better for a marathon as it's a little softer but I like the rocker on the pro3.

@Genoflesh 3 ай бұрын

Adidas Supernova with the new DreamStrike foam hasn't got much attention. Can you please compare it (SuperNova) with the Peg'41? It would be nice.

@markuscg1 3 ай бұрын

I second this!

@brandonwalker4261 3 ай бұрын

The Pro 4 is my first racing shoe. I’m a slow runner and it’s not harsh at all really enjoyable shoe to run in. Also I’m forefoot striker naturally and this shoe does not bottom out in the forefoot.

@maggie0285 11 күн бұрын

I had the pro 4. It lost its bounce after 3 months. I love them.

@tylerdowling 3 ай бұрын

It’s awesome you have so many shoes. Makes for great content.

@snowwalker9999 3 ай бұрын

Great comparison video. Nobody does comparisons like you do. I do not remember have you reviewed NB SC Elite 4? If you have how would you rank them?

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! Yes here's the comparison video I did with the endorphin pro 4 New Balance SC Elite v4 vs Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYCZfneYi6yNq5I the sc elite v4 isn't my favorite for fast running - just feels like a little too much foam for my liking. But it is a very comfortable and stable shoe

@snowwalker9999 3 ай бұрын

@@supwell Thank you more like a workout shoe than racing

@zr7gaming256 3 ай бұрын

Would love to see a adizero sl 2 comparison

@RunGraves 3 ай бұрын

I've been thinking of this comparison recently! Let's get it

@DaveAxelAldave-dy7lg 3 ай бұрын

Would the endorphin pro 4 be comparable to the s/lab spectur? If so, I hope you could do a vs comparison between them.

@MsTrinichic 3 ай бұрын

I really appreciated the spectrum of least aggressive to most aggressive as well. Do you have any suggestions for us middle or back of the pack runners. I'm typically a 11:00 mile runner and I'm wondering if I just settle for comfort as in the Triumph 21, Endorphin Speed 3 or look for something relatively aggressive in the Alphafly y 3.

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Endorphin pro 4 is still a nice option if you want that race day feel. I've also been testing the s/lab Spectur which is designed for more time on feet and comfort, so that will likely shake out to be a top choice as well. But for now my top picks would be novablast if you want more of a training shoe with comfort and stability and endorphin pro 4 if you want that race day fast feel

@apollograham 3 ай бұрын

interesting comparison would be between the different speed trainers like Topo Cyclone 2 vs Endorphin Speed 4 vs Mach 5/6 vs Rebel 3/4

@manhunni Ай бұрын

bought the elites cheap a few days ago, liked the style ngl. so maybe im a new saucony fanboy. the FIT is just insane in those elites. so smooth. grip in dry is brutal. ( dont know wet conditions but yeah, theres no rainprofile on it. gonna give the pro 4 maybe a try aswell. but first ill run my next marathon in oktober in the elites. pushing some PR close to 3h. run my 3:15 in the novablast 4. so i hope i can save some minutes there with my first carbon plated shoe :D

@RonnyC98 3 ай бұрын

When you mean easier do you mean it’s harder on the feet and or knees? I seem to have a problem with the endorphin pro 3 as a long run shoe where it hurts my knees a lot contrast to the super blast where I don’t.

@barburrito5130 3 ай бұрын

Pegasus 41 vs SL 2 !

@moclovable 3 ай бұрын

Wish I had done more research and gone Pro4 for my marathon last week, the Elite gave me terrible foot pain and blister for 7:45 pace

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear about that! Pro 4 would definitely be my choice for that pace - congrats on the marathon finish btw 🙌🏽

@jorgemedina9526 3 ай бұрын

How about the Superblast as an alternative to de N4 or the EP4 for a 4 hour marathon?. I do have EP4, AP3 and superblast and soon going for my first one.

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I'd put superblast in that same category with novablast as a good alternative for more comfort/less aggressive feel. I don't personally love that shoe but a lot of runners like it for longer runs and marathons

@dondiliza1 2 ай бұрын

My fave shoe for training is the Novablast 3 and the gt2000-12. I'm looking now for a marathon shoe and considering the endorphin pro 4. Im a heel striker and very slow targeting to finish the marathon in less than 6hrs doing a run/walk. Do you think the EP4 is a good choice? Lastly as I need to buy this overseas is the sizing the same for all Saucony models. I wear a 9.5 in in guide 16 will I be the same size in EP4?

@MsTrinichic 3 ай бұрын

When you pasued on seeing a speck of dirt on your Asics lol I was hollering lol

@YY-bp2rq 3 ай бұрын

I have pro3 in blue and I call them mermaids 🧜‍♀️

@jnorthingtonjr 2 ай бұрын

Same!! Haha

@ethansilverstein308 3 ай бұрын

What about the nb sc elite v4 for a more comfortable option compared to the ep4 ?

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Sc elite also a great choice! It's a little too much foam for my personal preference (due to the lower drop) but a great choice if you want something stable and super cushioned

@pcoshan1329 3 ай бұрын

What shoe would you recommend for weekly long runs 40-60k during ultra training, that won’t have to be replaced every month due to high weekly mileage, based on your reviews I thought the Boston 12 could be a good fit?

@kuriosites 3 ай бұрын

The Cielo X1 looks like a really fun shoe. The weight probably wouldn't be a problem because my wallet would be so much lighter. :) As it is, I plan to try the Neo Vista as a reportedly bouncy, rockered shoe that sounds like a good fit for my mechanics and is almost $100 cheaper.

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

Hahahah yeah these high-end shoes are getting pricey

@MarkSmith_Best-Athletics 3 ай бұрын

I would look at the Wave Rebellion Flash 2 or the first version of the Wave Rebellion Pro if you are looking for a cheaper alternative to the Cielo X1. The Wave Neo Vista looks like an interesting shoe but reviews giving much more of a daily cruiser vibe.

@simonsimonson5873 3 ай бұрын

pegasus 41 vs adidas sl 2

@scottwiggans6292 23 күн бұрын

Can you train in pro 4 n race in elite

@ianwarner1429 2 ай бұрын

Just got the Elite for $200 Canadian!!! 150 off!

@supwell 2 ай бұрын

Great deal!

@KillaBean416 3 ай бұрын

Killa Cam 🔥

@ZakdawgXXX 3 ай бұрын

What do you think the lifespan is of the Endorphin Pro 4?

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

I have somewhere between 250 and 300 miles on my pro 3 and it still has some life left. I think pro 4 will have similar durability where most people can get 300+ solid training miles out of it - it's has the same primary foam and similar rubber coverage as the 3. I felt the foam lost a bit of that race day pop around 150 to 200 miles but it's still super comfortable and protective

@ZakdawgXXX 3 ай бұрын

@@supwell Thanks, that is good to know. It is a quite expensive shoe, so would be a shame if it had to be discarded already around the 250 mile mark.

@MarkSmith_Best-Athletics 3 ай бұрын

I have got close to 500 miles out of two pairs of Pro 3 and 280 miles on a 3rd pair in training. Great training shoe across the paces for me but a little too soft and bottoms out when form starts to go around 20 miles for me. I need some replacements for this type of shoe soon. Have an eye on replacing with possibly the asics Magic Speed 4 and the Topo Specter 2. Racing in the Endorphin Elite at the moment. Ran two good Marathons (including my current PB in my first pair) and one poor Marathon. I can definitely see what is said here rings true as I am shooting for low 3+ hour Marathon times with half an eye on a Sub 3. Lost some fitness recently and they definitely feel harder work even over shorter distances. Got 155 miles on my first pair of Elites which I am now using for Half, 10k race shoe. Got another pair of Elites which will probably be kept box fresh for Boston 2025 🙂 so don't really need to worry about race shoes until the end of 25 or even 2026. I tried the Metaspeed Paris and would definitely be concerned about stability in them, even a little concerned over a tough Half distance. The Paris seem like they can absolutely fly though if you are able to handle them!! 🧑‍🚀🚀🚀

@jaceskid 3 ай бұрын

👍

@faliqsharif6790 3 ай бұрын

Hey, are you going to review saucony endophin speed 4 in the future?

@supwell 3 ай бұрын

I reviewed it earlier this year! Here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZ_SaauJe9WJbK8si=BinNpJQOCOI6stq-

@pvj6993 3 ай бұрын

First comment woohoo, I would like to see the Kinvara vs the Kayano

@salvadorboi 3 ай бұрын

“No BBL Adios” 🤣💀

@kernas6982 3 ай бұрын

Elite all the way

@TheMf51y 2 ай бұрын

Iam edging towards the elite moving from unhappy marathons in the ap3..what pace do you find the elites ok in?

@kernas6982 2 ай бұрын

@@TheMf51y I Used mine for 10k and half and was running 3.03-3.10 pace. Elite feels super fast with the aggressive rocker but still nice and stable. I think anything under 4min kms it’d be fine as long as you strike mid to forefoot

@cristian-adrianfrasineanu9855 3 ай бұрын

Endorphin Elites destroyed my achilles. Possible that also my strength wasn't on point, but feels like if the rocker doesn't align well with your MTP joints you will have a very hard time climbing out of its rocker

@bobkhan1809 3 ай бұрын

Orange and purp'ed out like Steve Nash...

@edrios3668 3 ай бұрын

Did you know that Steve Nash is a big Tottenham Hotspur Fan, my football(soccer) team in London! - useless fact of the day! - put some respect on the Hotspurs!