Saunders Machine Works Shop Tour

[@Ddabig40mac]

Flex CNC confirmed!! That is so awesome! Thanks John for that glimpse behind the curtain!

[@inquisitive980]

I suggest a different machinery mover

[@balacustoms1282]

Quarter million dollar machine at the least 😲 Adam really did win the lottery didn't he ?!

[@KimbrellBrad]

I have been following both of you guys for over 10 years and love all of your content! It's great how the community shares with each other to push everyone forward. Good luck in your CNC journey Adam! Can't wait to see those parts flying out of those new machines LOL.

[@mechfeeney]

Love these two dudes. Thanks for all the great content over the years.

[@rexmyers991]

This is so encouraging to see American ingenuity rebuilding (re-birthing) American technical manufacturing. I’m 79 years old and I saw the decline then disappearance of American made products. I hope what I’m seeing is the beginning of a resurgence of leading edge technology made in America.

[@markdeitchman8938]

well stated. I hope too that our grandkids follow these guys' example and make it "made in America"

[@libertyforamericanow]

Kind of sucks though. People will forget how to use a regular lathe or mill. They'll get use to punching in numbers

[@tomte47]

@@libertyforamericanow Manual lathes/mills have some small niches in repair etc and where you might not have access to drawings but in general they are obsolete.

[@imnjs]

@@tomte47 They may be becoming more obsolete for industrial uses but for smaller machine shops & hobbyists I think they will be around for a long time

[@c6quad3]

It's awesome to see just how much John has grown his business! I was following him when he was working in his apartment in NYC. Then he moved to a basement of a house, then a shop on an old family farm. He's proof that hard work can make your dreams come true!

[@seansysig]

Adam stepping into the dark side of machining is a brave and very interesting part of his life. Congrats and be very patient with yourself. I’m 63 and a retired steam plant engineer who just started learning CNC on a much smaller scale and 3 axis only. Tool paths, G-Code, feeds, speeds are the easy part. Fusion360 designing is much more difficult.

[@andrewthick185]

Dear Adam, I am a 57 year old ex machinist, long out of the trade but follow the both of you guys. To see you both in a tour of Johns shop was a real pleasure. Lovely stuff. God bless.

[@jamesjolly6536]

So cool. John is an incredibly talented man and such a great representative for our trade. Hope the new machines are up and running!

[@greasemonkey060]

The acknowledgment to constant needing to evolve with the growing pains of manufacturing workflow is super refreshing and strikes a super nerdy shop nerve for me. Great tour and clean workspace!

[@josephcitizen4195]

When I got laid off after 13 years as a manufacturing eng I really wanted to take the CNC classes at SMW to shine up my resume. They are right down the road from me. It was to bad the classes got affected by the covid situation. They seem like a great bunch of guys.

[@hgbugalou]

John's shop is a great example of how America moves forward and stays competitive in manufacturing versus countries like China. These CNC shops once tooled up and manned with skilled operators can just crank out extremely precise parts with aerospace grade tolerances far cheaper and better than any manual foreign fab, especially considering shipping. It's also much faster to get parts done and out of the door. They also can scale up and down based on order volume quickly and cheap. This is the future.

[@jim-me9wm]

I see things like this and it makes me wish I were young and starting over.

[@heardashot]

Two power houses of the machining world! What a pleasure!!

[@johndonlan5956]

Boy, Adam, this video just blew me away! I'm thinking back to the days when I first learned how to operate and program CNC machines...... In the 1980s. We did not have Rennishsaw probes, electronic tool preseters, CAM (it was in its infancy, and none of the systems were very good back then), CAD (that was for design engineers, not Us shop folk!) So basically everything was done by hand. When you wrote a program..... You had to know you're "M-codes", "G- codes", "T-codes", X Y & Z coordinates (absolutely and incremental), and you didn't have a machine's computer memory to automatically remember where your datum points were..... Or where your vise, chuck, clamps, or fixturing was located. You had to remember all that stuff in your head...... And heaven forbid if you inadvertently forgot where a clamp was located and ended up running a tool into it! (CRASH!!!) Today's CNC operators/programmers have it easy! 😉

[@larrymacaluso9051]

EXCELLENT! So, refreshing to listen to John, it is encouraging to see American ingenuity alive and well in the manufacturing world. I’m 81 years old, l did my apprenticeship in my early twenties l learned to repair/rebuild all kinds of metal removing machinery, l did that for thirty years before moving into special machine design, (a position l retired from in my late sixties). Thanks for sharing, really enjoy your videos.

[@thosearentoars]

I remember years ago you two guys plinkin' on the farm, look how far we've all come!

[@hgbugalou]

What a treat. Two of my favorite machinists and KZbinrs.

[@ricko5123]

Happy for you, Adam. Keep your Notes updated on changes to your programs and keep an off-site storage (like your home )for ALL your programs as Masters...Have fun most of all bud...Ricko

[@NTK_FabWorks]

Both of you guys are such a wealth of knowledge, John has one hell of an operation, all started in an apartment in NYC haha Cool to see you guys together!

[@demonknight7965]

Wow! It's amazing to see how much growth John's business has had in the past few years. I loved ya'll geeking out over Johnny 5. I too love that movie.

[@paulhunt598]

Great tour. I enjoy seeing other shops, seeing their approach, equipment, product, shop flow, engineering, etc. I spent my entire career in a machine design/build manufacturing environment. During my career our company business volume grew from $8M to approaching $200M. This growth allowed product and manufacturing advances of enormous proportions. We built a business around high volume for production efficiency and shifted to one-piece-flow of the Lean Manufacturing environment. When I retired we had in the realm of 200k active part numbers machining a near one-piece-flow of 150k part numbers annually and I don't know how many repeat part numbers. SMED was forced on us to successfully accomplish this drastic production model philosophy change. We were mostly a Mazak shop. Haas is very popular, but I have little experience with them. I was not a machine operator. I was maintenance. We brought in a large late model Haas vertical mill from another shop intending to machine a specific product line and take advantage of existing programming, tooling and fixturing. The Haas was severely damaged in transit due to inexperienced riggers handling the machine relocation. I and my staff did a major machine rebuild/repair to make the Haas operational. The machine never made a chip in our shop. When our rebuild was completed management had chosen to eliminate the product line that prompted moving the Haas to our shop. The Haas was sold and we installed our first Mazak horizontal with multi pallet tombstone fixturing and 120 tool capacity tool magazine. This Haas experience allowed me to compare Mazak machine design and build quality to Haas. I am happy that I was a Mazak repairman! The machine build quality difference was enormous. We ran a lot of machine brands, but our shop loyalty was to Mazak. Machine numbers varied over the years, but we ran 20+ Mazak with about 20+ mixture of other one of a kind machines, plus a large complement of manual machines and non CNC automatic machines. We machined and out sourced our fixture plates and did our fixtures in house. Our legacy multi pallet machines didn't afford the same advantages with one-piece-flow as they did for high volume part runs. Cycle times for small parts were too short to allow setup for the next part on the next pallet. We focused on fixture changes under the SMED guidelines. When done well, fixtures could be changed in seconds. Long part cycles did allow multi pallet efficiencies. A problem with working in only one of shop for an entire career is that I got little influence from other shops. I didn't get to see what and how others were doing. I did get a broad exposure in that while we were primarily milling and turning, we also had full CNC sheet metal (laser, punching, bending), gear hobbing and grinding, flat and cylindrical grinding, painting, blackening, etc. We were the mother ship for our corporation. While we owned plants in other locations, we ran the company from our location. I had exposure from R&D, design, sales, manufacturing, build, to service and training. It was a fun career.

[@bigkenny66]

Biggest change since you were at John's, He is going gray!!!! Good to see you John, and congrats on your success!

[@jamesrobinson1022]

It think it's great John having a class cause it's true in todays world where you can't just walk into a shop with no experience anymore and be trained on the spot. There are tons of shops right now hiring but not enough qualified to fill those spots. Most shops don't have the personal or resources to train new inexperienced hires.

[@Machine_NZ]

Its great to see John has a drive for teaching as well as the CNC shop. His story of where he started to where he is now is an excellent achievement. Cheers Kevin

[@tristanbuckoke9121]

Mate love watching your journey through machining and learning new techniques. I also love seeing at the end the three generations of machinists being your family. It reminds me of my grandfathers and family. Cheers Adam from Australia 🇦🇺

[@andypandy9931]

John's enthusiasm is infectious,

[@alexscarbro796]

It's lovely to see Adam getting trained up by John and his team. We respect both for their deep knowledge, but it goes to show that we can all share our experiences!

[@davidrush4908]

John / Adam: I am a retired software developer and I was wondering if you have considered using a source control tool to keep track of fusion source and G code changes. You may not see the justification at first, but when numerous changes are being made or you have numerous projects at the same time it can be indispensable, especially if you need to return to a previous file, or branch a project to customize it for a specific customer's needs.

[@mannycalavera121]

You know, that's such a great idea I'm suprised there isn't more of this. Open source software like Fusion360 with open source posts, a lot of the features in those are user developed.

[@elluisito000]

This crossover is better than any marvel movie.

[@billabernathy1541]

John's creativity is great. Putting fans in the machines for drying instead of compressed air (expensive) makes a lot of sense.

[@majoeone]

really enjoyed this video, Adam and John, great transparency for two guys coming from different worlds, and love the respect shown from both of you to admire each other!!! Well done guys :-)

[@bendingsands87]

After having worked in a shop for 2 years with nothing but vf2s and umc750s and now working on a who knows how old OKK Fanuc controlled mill and seeing this... I wish I was back on the haas controllers. They are so much more enjoyable, especially with the renneshaw probe. So cool that you're learning on those.

[@bigdawgsbusa2]

I remember the flex video Adam was very stoked to run it and learn about it awesome he is able to now acquire one Adam your growth is awesome in the field of cnc and can’t wait to see some parts

[@singleshot2218]

Adam..please keep us up to date on Johnny5! I’ve seen both movies, they’re HILARIOUS! I’ve not had so much fun at a movie in my life! God bless my friend, hello to Abby! Take care, stay safe!🙏🎚🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

[@firesurfer]

13:45 those are standard trade show cases. They are custom made for the companies. But all the options are instantly recognizable to people in the show trade. Looks like a nice case. Often the customer will want a different opening. Front, rear, sides, half flip front, etc.

[@marwenzoe]

What a nice down to earth dude John is!!!!

[@RookieLock]

Pretty cool, you toured the king of shop tours, lol. Man exciting to see what the future holds.. That flex machine is a monster ! Very nice of John to send you home with one of his fixture plates.. What an awesome guy..

[@blakecrawford5101]

Excellent video! Two of my favorites, good to see you guys hanging out :)

[@MrPlumberguy23]

doing plumbing at g&g steal in russellville Alabama they got a Betts 20' cut only .002th out over 20'

[@rodneywroten2994]

Adam I am that you getting a dream come true. Even though I never ran a machine. I wish I could have. Awesome video

[@robertlevine2152]

Many, many years ago I worked as a draftsman detailing parts of machines that were used in the production of machined parts for the auto industry. Detection of broken drill bits and taps was done using air jets and pressure sensors. If the bit or tap was intact the air didn't impact on the sensor. If there was a broken tool, the air hit the sensor signaling a failure. It was simple and easy.

[@mattymcsplatty5440]

Short curcuit was a great film, Im 47yrs old and loved it. Very cool

[@DIGGER19860]

He dedinetly need a old bread truck to drive johnny around. Definetly gonna need a smoke show and colored lights for when he drives out the back.

[@hasletjoe5984]

John is a good personality! Have to go check out some of his vids. Although, I am stuck in an analog body....And love it! Thanks Adam!!

[@JTLaser1]

Well, the importance of turning on notifications! I was excited to find NYCCNC to start watching, and I discovered that apparently I had subscribed AGES ago. Probably back when I was using a knee mill to make parts for a laser I manufactured! Ring the bell!!!

[@colinfahidi9983]

John Saunders looks polished.

[@bill8by5]

That is SOOOOOooooo COOL!!!! Johnny 5 ALIVE!!! Definitely one of my favorite movies - and my son's as well!!

[@TheFallenAngel13524]

As a person who went from a hobby shapeoko straight into a haas 2ss i can confirm the haas is much easier to program for and run than my shapeoko.

[@kevinreardon2558]

If I didn't have 40+ years experience in CAD and even longer in Computers, I'd sign up with a course with this guy. I'd love to even do it for a vacation. I'm just a hobbyist at this point. The computers I work on these days cost a little more then, well lets say its a lot.

[@kevinreardon2558]

@@bobbydazzler6990 Oops, it was 1987 or so. I started out with AutoCAD 2.6. It was running on an AT&T PC 6300 with a 8087 math co-processor. I added two 100M hard drives, one internal and one external (just hanging there). I had to keep one floppy for backups.

[@kevinreardon2558]

@@bobbydazzler6990 MSDOS 3.0 I believe. I think I had upgraded it to 3.5. It also had 2-1/2D and LISP. I taught myself Language In Silly Parentheses and created a program that created a (gasp) 3-D sphere. I also modified it for cones, cubes, and who knows what else (I can't remember and the backups didn't survive a gummy capstan). That was all back in the days where real men wire wrapped and real women wove core memory.

[@r3vo830]

Awesome video and shop tour. I could listed to you both for hours! Can't wait to see you run your CNCs for the first time.

[@thisolesignguy2733]

Johnny5 is just awesome! My favorite part of the movie is when he rips out the seat of the van, and adjusts the mirror, then points and goes "Yooooo" lol classic!

[@Sodabowski]

Oh gee, two of the best!

[@opieshomeshop]

They sent the bridgeport away... SACRILIDGE!!!!! He is right about the 3D printing though. I was printing the day my machine came.

[@BBQandStreetCars]

I was watching his videos when they started making parts for Johnny-5. I forgot all about it. I'm glad you're doing a shop tour with NYCCNC and I got to hear about Johnny-5. 👍

[@jerrypeal653]

Pretty cool operation. Can’t wait till you pull that first part out of your CNC Adam .

[@chefbob09]

Proper amazing facility and people. Awesome to see and thanks for sharing.

[@garthbutton699]

Great video thanks Adam and John for all your efforts,a very humbling experience for me🤗😎🤗😎

[@halsnyder296]

It’s cool you’re learning CNC, I hope you get to put it to use. That said, I subscribe to no CNC channels… And that said, I will of course continue to watch all your videos.

[@brycejeannotte7699]

Great video Adam! John is a very impressive guy. Always so helpful great at explaining things.

[@francisschweitzer8431]

The movie was “Short Circuit” … JOHNNY 5 was a character in it

[@danmenes3143]

4 ft x 20 ft? That's an Abom-sized CNC!

[@brosselot1]

Boy John your shop as sure changed since I met you and were at your shop 5 years ago. Looks like you are doing well. I watch a lot of your business because your information is good for all kinds of businesses. Adam great video and I look forward to getting down to Florida so I can see both of your shops and maybe do some BBQing. Thanks for Sharing you guys are doing great.

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Wow ‼️ Mr. Saunders seems to have some salt mixed in with that pepper 🤣 Kinda different to how he looked in NY, or out in his G’Pa’s shop at the farm. Inspirational success story… and KZbin had allowed us all to follow that journey. Same with Adam….. Thanks for doing this vid. Adam… looking forward to seeing the ‘learning’ being put into practise back in Florida. 👏👏👏👏 Regards Robert

[@jimstewart8394]

those are wisdom hairs

[@billabernathy1541]

I remember you going there and John and you making a part for the K&T parking attachment. That was pretty cool. Thanks for sharing John's shop. Some great stuff in there.

[@mikeaustin9810]

A bomb when will we see a follow-up video on the house you guys were going to build on your property

[@paulcopeland9035]

Never and rightfully so. It is none of our business.

[@mikeaustin9810]

@@paulcopeland9035 none of our business ? It's on KZbin it's everybody's business

[@ronnydowdy7432]

This was great news. You're new shop is going to be getting smaller lol. You're going to have fun learning and getting new business.

[@WayneWerner]

Johnny 5 is alive! 🥰😭🥰🥰

[@rodbennett4790]

G'day Adam, I REALLY enjoyed these 2 videos even though I don't see CNC in my future. Thanks for taking us along with you. And I love "Short Circuit"!

[@Cookerab]

I have a little Maximat 7 and it is more accurate than I could ever be. Those Austrian machines are amazing.

[@davidrabenius726]

Awesome little machines, these have a soft spot in my heart. I had a friend ask me what Lathe to buy and I found a nice Maximat V10 with milling head. I made hundreds of parts with it. WE then bought a EMCO PC5 & PCmill50 CNC machines. BEST bang for the buck!! I was fortunate to buy a new in crate Super11CD in 2001, spoiled me. Everyoe who came into the garage walked up to it and said "I want this!" Most of my friends were buying old clapped out beaters and trying to restore them. I always told them that I wanted to make parts & money.

[@slots1407]

Easy there, Adam, you'll upset all the good ol' '"MADE IN USA" boys...

[@roadiesgarage3816]

when operator grant heard the tool drop he immediately went into inspect condition, good operator💪🙌

[@larryrobinson7492]

Awesome, two of the greats. Glad to see you coming over to the dark side some. CNC is so handy for most things and the mess stays inside. It is sad when I actually have to use my manual machines after running CNC all day, such punishment. LOL

[@angelramos-2005]

Great video.Thank you.

[@loukola5353]

Good video. I always wanted to see what the daily operation looks like and I think this video is the first one to really show that. Good stuff John. Impressive growth.

[@Sicktrickintuner]

Much different since you were there last and I had come down from Canada to see it then also and meet you and john andJudd(RIP) Hoists are nice, started in my shop, have installed a 12,000lb hoist in my 1200 sq ft shop. Mostly due to being a mechanic before the switch to a big automotive factory that makes cars. Got into more custom automotive fabrication then manual machining and just bought a vmc cnc a month or so ago, even though the power supply just just crapped out and will have to tear it apart to find whats wrong. Lost the DC power in it.

[@jeffflanagan2814]

Unbelievable how well you can make out with initiative and KZbin!

[@martineastburn3679]

Been in both shops on KZbin for several years now. Interesting indeed. I have a CNC model builder - I have to mod mine from 3 heads to 2 since the G forces are to great. An early pro model. Oh well.

[@zviper]

heck yeah! awesome!

[@imnjs]

Very cool shop. These fixtures are not cheap. I'd imagine a lot of it comes from the price of material alone. Especially 4140.

[@FailedSquare]

Had no idea this guy was in Ohio. Will have to check it out one day

[@Kosmonooit]

Come a long way .... although John is on record about his loathing of lathes. I think a couple of work benches in that training room with drawers filled with hand tools would go long way in training people basic hand skills, which I think are essential for any form of machining.

[@sky173]

I've been wondering what ever happened to the Johnny5 project. I rarely see anything in my feed come through. Thanks for sharing.

[@oleran4569]

Oh my! A working Johnny 5 ?!?!?! Great!!!!

[@MikeGillett58]

Totally cool, thanks for sharing!

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

So curious when THE FLEX CNC mill is comming to the shop 🤩 Grtz from the netherlands Johny geerts

[@Rimrock300]

Will not be surprized if it shows up in August/September

[@bdkj3e]

@@Rimrock300 he posted on Instagram that it should be coming today, so I vid about it in a week or 2 I guess.

[@k4x4map46]

Very interesting. The online course that SMW offers in fusion 360 CAD training is very attractive...coming together very nicely 'behind the scenes' hmmm 360 degree machining with electromagnetic hold downs of some sort to minimize flipping parts to 'machine the other side' --next level vacuum machining? not sure but I'm seeing it lol

[@Gregorybridgewater]

We have 2 Flex gantry mills, a 8x24 and a 6x24

[@bulletproofpepper2]

Thanks for sharing!

[@Krzysiek106]

I think that you should supplement your work shop with a good measuring frame, eg Oberon 3D

[@calvin8711]

The first thing that jumps in my memory is "Hey Lazer lips your moma was a snow blower"

[@rickoshea8138]

No disassemble number 5!

[@mattymcsplatty5440]

its ok they didnt delete his memory bank lol

[@MyShopNotes]

I have the lego saturn 5 and lunar lander too. :-) I've got the shuttle and space station too.

[@KodyBear5605]

At the 14:30 mark you guys are talking about the "OLD" lathe. I remember John's NYC apt with the little Atlas Milling machine video... That was a while ago, eh... Saunders Machining Works has come a long way...

[@glennford8844]

Glory Haleluja, the youngsters have made things that at our age, cannot comprehend how or where to start! He's a nice kid, and full of knowledge in this electronic age. Marvellous video to see modern techniques at work. Haven't got time to go to shows and exhibitions, and this really is the only way to keep abreast of new technologies. Thankyou Abom for your videos. Glenn- Australia.

[@v8packard]

I was thinking the same thing

[@roadiesgarage3816]

I remember John and was memory holed back to the jacket drawing dies. has he ever considered mfg. and selling these dies for reloaders? thanks Adam 😊

[@glennford8844]

That was great.

[@DIGGER19860]

Was that short circuit???

[@71Giggles]

Didn’t they have a CNC plasma and laser cutter previously?

[@gertkristensen6451]

mastercam/edgdecam /hypermill .. mastercam have so manny features

[@mikedavis94]

I was hoping to see the big lathe running

[@a.bakker64]

Nr 5 is alive!

[@NenadKralj]

Johnny 5 😆😆😎😎

[@bcbloc02]

Funny I remember when John hated lathes. 😂