Sauropodophaganax: The Real Saurophaganax? | Saurophaganax Update

[@alimanzar9985]

This feels like watching a zombie film and seeing your favorite character turn into one

[@monkeking8394]

Nah Sauropods are my favourite dinosaur group

[@Tarbtano]

It is noteworthy that a lot of material ascribed to Saurophaganax is indeed a gigantic allosaurid at the end of the day, so not too too much really has changed from that and there was still a truly huge theropod running around in the Morrison. And given growth rates differed from Allosaurus so much, it is still possible it might wind up in a distinct genus all the same.

[@Tacoclaw6]

This........... Can't be true............. Let's just hope it's not true

[@thehillster9729]

"NO! IT CAN'T BE! NO... NOOO!"

[@littengamer112]

It's real, the lord or the lizard eaters has become the very thing it was speculated to eat

[@ej2u545]

Good news. This is most likely not the case, and the paper has fallen under heavy criticism by theropod and sauropod experts.

[@Jackson-xl7sv]

@@ej2u545oh yeah? Who?

[@sdsolympusmonsswsc-1152]

I refuse to believe that my boi, the lord of the lizard eaters, my fav Dino of all time, is a fcking sauropod

[@sdsolympusmonsswsc-1152]

and it can't be a allosaurus species, if giganotosaurus, mapusaurus and meraxes gigas all lived at the same time in the same area and look virtually identical and are separate genus's then saurophaganax, a much bigger allosaurid with disproportionatly bigger claws is a different genus

[@littengamer112]

Giga, meraxes​, and mapusaurus came after eachother, not with

[@paleoguy2165]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sdsolympusmonsswsc-1152they did not live together…they all lived at different times. However, daspletosaurus and Gorgosaurus, two tyrannosaurids of identical size, co existed aswell.

[@BermudaHawk47]

⁠​⁠@paleoguy2165 Yeah, but they had different builds, with Daspletosaurus being bulkier, heavier, and having a wider skull than gorgosaurus. Not to mention Gorgo is in Albertosaurinae and Daspleto in Tyrannosaurinae. They’re definitely different as far as we can tell

[@juliancar5700]

Dakotaraptor fans : First time ?

[@jonaswerner8480]

My dude, I really liked that video But you defently need to tone down the bgm It was nearly equal in volume as to your voice Makes it a bit difficult to focus on what your saying

[@nightlasher]

So before there was debates on if saurophaganax should be renamed to allosaurus maximus or or kept to saurophaganax maximus but now there’s debates on it being a sauropod now

[@PrehistoricRager]

Yeah, pretty much

[@ej2u545]

This is already out of date. The paper is getting heavy criticism by theropod and sauropod experts. The vertebrae still show more in common with allosaurs then sauropods. The only thing leaning in favor of this is the new specimen Leviathan having the femur of a juvenile sauropod being assigned with it. Saurophaganax is still a theropod. However the original size of Leviathan was toned done from 10 tons down to 8.5 tons. Which is still huge, but makes sense for what we now think is a pack hunting apex predator. It still blows me away that we now have the largest known pack hunter ever. Yes wile the study on Saurophaganax being a sauropod is recent. It dose hold water with a lot of bones being assigned to it when there not. However with all the recent remains found, we can actually place what bones are what. Brian Curtis has pointed out which bones are not from Saurophaganax where the chimera, but the big thing here is that Saurophaganax is still valid but is not being turned into a sauropod. The new sauropod has yet to be named, nor have the bones been studded in depth to find out what family it belongs to. This is a good video, but the paper stresses this might not be 100% true and with more material this could be wrong. Its not fact . . . YET. Maybe in the future. But when both sauropod and theropod experts are saying there are problems with the papers, i think it shows.

[@DeywanLigma]

Sounds like some Cope word to DB, send the links to your sources, because that sounds like a last cry for help to me hoping your Dino existed, I remember when JP3 came out and people were swearing on their mothers that it was how they actually looked, now it seems another favorite has been corrected. It is sad because I did want a more brutish allosaurus to exist but we wanna see the proof?

[@ej2u545]

@DeywanLigma KZbin does not allow me to send links. I posted this comment once with the source links and it got deleted. If you look up a lot of paleontologists discussing the paper online, its falling under heavy scrutiny. Plus I don't really care much about Saueophaganax. A matter of fact I would prefer it if it was a sauropod. However when the top paleontologists are discussing whether this is true or not, and even the guy who studies allosaurus species and specializes in it is also bringing up problems with it. Yaaaaa I'ma say it's up for debate. I'm still leaning more towards the theropod idea though. Edit: I should probably explain why.its falling under scrutiny. It's a lot of jargon, that I don't really understand. But from what my college professor says, only freshmen paleontology so . . . it's still kinda hard to read. He says it basically boils down to the problem being. Even if the hallow type wasn't sorophagonaxe, all the recent material found on the creature would have to dispel this. Which the people in the paper did not have access to the newest material found of over 20 new individuals found. It's literally just off of the Halo type and a couple other fragmentary remains. That is literally the biggest problem with the paper.

[@cobraglatiator]

@@ej2u545 soo, essentially what you're saying is the paper jumped the gun with limited (possibly TOO limited) access to limited (possibly too limited) remains?

[@ej2u545]

@@cobraglatiator YES 100% yes. If they use the newest remains found of Saurophagonax i would feel more confident in the paper. Im not the only one ho feels that way either.

[@cobraglatiator]

@@ej2u545 gotcha.

[@David-ni5hj]

That's exactly my thoughts about Leviathan, a 13 meter long 8 ton heavy theropod would basically be a Giganotosaurus in the Jurassic and I ain't buying that. BUT Leviathan was named after a vertebra (afaik) and those were exactly the remains identified to be a Sauropod, so it all checks out. Having said all that, many of the Allosaur remains indicate an animal that could still be the largest predator in the Jurassic

[@Mike_The_Allosaurus]

I would greatly welcome saurophaganax as Allosaurus Maximus, I already was on the part that considers Saurophaganax as an Allosaurus Species so with the fact that some of its parts were just a sauropod i see it very possible that Saurophaganax will be Allosaurus Maximus and honestly i dont see the 8.3 ton S.Maximus "Leviathan" being so far fethed seeing Allosaurus based on its other species is anywhere from 3-5 tons so if we look at saurophaganax which is 5+ tons, big saurophaganaxes would be around 7 tons and one massive saurophaganax reaching 8.3 tons is plausable in my opinion

[@Bengalvoaurus]

Still believing 7 and 8 ton Saurophaganax or Allosaurus maximus!!! Wake up to reality Allosaurus maximus is 4.6 tons. Torvosaurus is the biggest jurassic theropod at 5.2 tons

[@s-amel-frii357]

Could it possibly be named something like 'Allosaurus Saurophaginus' instead to preserve the legacy it has built up?

[@Mike_The_Allosaurus]

@@s-amel-frii357 Im not sure really? but i dont think they would rename it like that

[@b_radbrad8899]

To be honest, I always thought they were one in the same species.

[@Mike_The_Allosaurus]

@@b_radbrad8899 same here

[@4SURA1234]

It's like watching your favorite TV show character getting killed off permanently.

[@odehkhaled2472]

This is good commentary dude. You should certainly keep this up.

[@alleocedricka.coronel5145]

My ears are being tortured by the background music

[@JacksonDemetrios-Formella]

To be honest, the fact that it was actually not a fair pod the fact that we know that is a really good thing and yes wow it sucks. It’s still really cool that this has helped us to discover a potentially new species of sore pod.

[@monkeking8394]

Also new name proposal Saurophagosuchus, I got it from Chatgpt and it means Guardian lizard of the peaceful eaters, I think

[@PrehistoricRager]

That actually sounds pretty cool, I'm not gonna lie. I think that name means something else, though

[@sheeeenogoji7603]

it doesn't, it means lizard throat crocodile

[@David-ni5hj]

Sorry but Saurophaganax being a Sauropod would be even worse than it being invalid :(

[@ducestat06savage99]

The evidence doesn't lie

[@legendarygigan9855]

@@ducestat06savage99it does actually

[@EdricNieves]

Agreed

[@ravenouself4181]

Saurophaganax is such a cool name tho, why not rename Allosaurus to it? Yes, yes, there are rules. But, guess what? Rules ar emeant to be broken! Name the sauropod something like "Arhotofygon" [Lord of plant-eaters]. PS: FR, whoever came up with "Saurophaganax" deserves a medal. Edit: Eh, I don't see Saurophaganax being larger than previously thought as a problem. There are many dinosaurs with which it has happened.

[@archosaur_enjoyer824]

Imagine a carnivorous sauropod...

[@PrehistoricRager]

@@archosaur_enjoyer824 , that's actually something I wish we could get

[@hamishseymour1108]

NO, no Carnivorous Sauropods, Definitly NOT!

[@s-amel-frii357]

Theyn we'd get a paper claiming that the sauropod may have actually been a theropod lmao

[@Bengalvoaurus]

That won't happen cuz sauropods have body design and teeth for a herbivorous diet​@@PrehistoricRager

[@PrehistoricRager]

@@Bengalvoaurus Yeah, I know

[@DaSpinoGuy]

great video bro, not sure if its me but maybe turn the music down a bit. its lovely just loud

[@BOEING--mh6xm]

I think Saurophaganax is just a bigger Allosaurus, so it’s just Saurophaganax/Allosaurus Maximus (Awesome)

[@Bengalvoaurus]

Saurophaganax is now Allosaurus annax

[@entropy7705]

Allosaurus, Saurophaganax

[@niharg2011]

Great content but bro you got keep the music volume down a bit. it's overpowering your voice

[@jimmythedoll9820]

Saurophaganax meets Maximus

[@monkeking8394]

EPANTERIAS RETURNS!!!

[@evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753]

But they said there's actually allosaur bigger than the normal one

[@hamishseymour1108]

If Saurophaganax is Invalid and that it has been reasigned into a Sauropod like Brontosaurus and Diplodocus, odds are that Saurophaganax Maximus would have been renamed in some way?

[@PrehistoricRager]

I'm not sure. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough

[@hamishseymour1108]

@PrehistoricRager surely in fact, on whether this animal is a Sauropod or Not.

[@Hhhhhhighlhhvkjjh]

Well i never considered saurophaganax being a separated species i just considered it as a bigger allosaurus Just like oxalaia being a smaller brazilian spinosaurus

[@AndrewDavis-sj6mb]

How is your Thanksgiving?

[@Hhhhhhighlhhvkjjh]

@@AndrewDavis-sj6mb what?

[@AndrewDavis-sj6mb]

@@Hhhhhhighlhhvkjjh Your Thanksgiving how was it?

[@calebsmith2362]

There are no good-faith paleontologists left that actually believe Saurophagonax is just a big Allosaurus. I'm not a formal paleontologist but I have eyes, and I can see that the mid-caudal chevrons don't resemble those of Allosaurus. There are enough diagnostic characters separating the two to blow this argument out of the water.

[@Terraformer-17]

I want you to add the biggest member of the allosaurids

[@liamdealmeida9914]

So the sauropod wrestler and killer has become the thing he swore to destroy.

[@theorangeman9147]

It has the possibility to become the very thing it has been predicted to specialize in destroying. He was supposed to DESTROY the sauropods, not join them!!!

[@amroctothecursedisle5616]

If some previously assumed that Saurophaganax maximus could be a huge ~10-12-meter-long Allosaurus maximus, does this mean the maximum size of Allosaurus has now decreased back to 8-9 meters?

[@PrehistoricRager]

Maybe

[@alvarezzzz_0927T]

Ngl I kinda thought what if it was a sauropod sometimes since I would hear a lot about the vertebrate being different or whatever

[@PrehistoricRager]

So did I. I always felt something was off with Saurophaganax and some of the remains. You can't always trust fragmentary remains

[@nisiu0123]

The background music is too loud.

[@M3g4l0d0n4]

Great video, man, but about this logic of the impossibility of a giant Jurassic theropod existing, I really don't agree. There were already many giant animals at the time and before the Jurassic period itself, so a 12-13 meter theropod would be possible. And also the only fossils that were really treated as belonging to another genus were those of the sauropods themselves, but a good part of them are from a huge allosaurid, so we still have hope.

[@leaguerpaleontology23]

Biggest Jurassic theropod is Torvosaurus which is 11.5 meter long. Jurassic theropods don't reach 12-13 meters because their less evolved. Only some of the largest cretaceous theropods did.

[@M3g4l0d0n4]

Just because they are not evolved, it does not prevent a Jurassic theropod from reaching 12 meters. Apart from the fact that the time when the saur lived was already at the end of the Jurassic​@@leaguerpaleontology23

[@renna4216]

​@@leaguerpaleontology23 Thank you, it's wild to me how people even have the audacity to say that Sauro reached some 8 tons. It was prolly more like 4. I would say its laughably ridiculous, but it's not even funny. It's just annoying. When they don't understand how evolution actually works. Theropods did NOT reach sizes comparable to Carcharadontodaurus until the time that they existed. There wasn't anything that large some number of millions of years before them. The theropods of the Cretaceous would've absolutely dwarfed the carnivores of the Jurassic.

[@M3g4l0d0n4]

@@renna4216 In fact, evolution is not predictable and most people know how it works. Just because the Jurassic only had less evolved dinosaurs, it doesn't mean there was a giant theropod like Saurophaganax.

[@sentinel_nightcrawler]

​@M3g4l0d0n4 then other therapods would've evolved near that weight class. Larger size needed more food, and more food can support the rest of the therapod weight class. It's why carcharadontasaurus existed with predators of equal or similar size. Not to mention, no recontructable remains of saurophaganax despite the many allosaurid fossils.

[@Nuclearhero_e]

Actually it's still on debate and it is up n the air.

[@Neovenstudi2827]

Saurophaganax and Dakotaraptor is Chimera

[@PrehistoricRager]

Yup

[@alfredsupersauce]

Therafraud.

[@MrWanapon]

We're going to need more than words and fragments to convince us. And I say Saurophaganax is a giant cousin of Allosaurus, if you want to convince us otherwise, get more!

[@annamaranon4858]

I think 🤔 Spinosuarus paper isn't the only problem

[@Osy_za_OC]

Can someone make a mod of Carnivores Dinosaur Hunter with a theropod Sauropodophaganax, since the point of that game was to use outdated designs since the "dinosaurs" are actually aliens that reassemble outdated reconstructions of prehistoric animals?

[@raaskull]

genus name should be changed imo, “Lord of the Lizard Eaters” shouldn’t be a title given to a herbivore

[@giri_2003]

0:37 The modern accurate sizes ranges of 10 metres in length and 4.1 tonnes in mass. This is overestimated size.

[@PrehistoricRager]

I meant for Leviathan

[@Terraformer-17]

Oh no , my seed word ...... its..... has the souro What do I doooooo?

[@EdricNieves]

Well it being a sauropod just made it worse by a lot

[@ducestat06savage99]

Oh its lord of the lizard eaters all right 😂

[@minedhawk]

good video

[@Rexred09]

Megaarachne: first time?

[@myleswelnetz6700]

Allosaurus maximus.

[@RadReptile615]

Music is way too loud can barely hear you

[@yukii381]

love the video but i would suggest you turn the music down just a tad.

[@PrehistoricRager]

I know. Happens every time 💀

[@DOOMMARINEUwU]

My brother in Christ I love the video but your sound editing needs work I can hardly hear you through the music

[@Tuishimi]

Music way too loud. Otherwise nice video.

[@artizzy2k2k]

I was gonna comment the same thing. I think towards the middle I was fighting to hear him over the music

[@danielcain8136]

😭 Not Saurophaganax on the fraud watch.

[@PrehistoricRager]

Not really. This a nice buff to me

[@haku2278]

no way,saurophaganax was a sauropod that hunted other sauropods 💀 Edit:this is just a joke, i hope you aren't a dino nerd nerd nerd A NERD THAT I WOULD RIP APART IF IT SAYS "👆🤓"

[@PrehistoricRager]

I am a dinosaur nerd, but I don't lose my shit over stuff like that. I like those kinds of jokes and stuff. I find a lot of the inaccurate or outdated stuff more nostalgic now too, if we're being honest

[@haku2278]

@PrehistoricRager you are the first nerd i met that is nice,(i am the really first nerd i met, yea Myself) You are the nicest nerd i ever seen, almost no Dino nerds i saw understand Jokes

[@Allosaurusfan2928]

5:45 Why are you saying new as if It’s good? this is not good. This is horrible news. Any allosaurid fan is gonna be devastated after this IM DEVASTATED I feel like somebody is stabbing me in the stomach and the knife is getting pushed deeper and deeper in

[@PrehistoricRager]

We all have different opinions about stuff. You can either like it, hate it, be neutral about it and that's okay By the way, sorry for the devastation, man!

[@Allosaurusfan2928]

@ nah it’s an exaggeration but the point is this is not good

[@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr]

Inaudible

[@Sornadilophosarus]

Love the video

[@elmigueldaily5974]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooi

[@leaguerpaleontology23]

Sauropodnax hahaha hahaha 🤣

[@leaguerpaleontology23]

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[@leaguerpaleontology23]

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[@RadReptile615]

Music is way too loud can barely hear you

[@PrehistoricRager]

Alright, I'll tune it down next time