Saw arbors Part 3 / Turning a morse taper - Sägedorne Teil 3 / Morsekegel drehen

My way of turning morse tapers - And another style of saw arbors.
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[@greglaroche1753]

Always great to watch and rewatch your videos. Thanks!

[@Clickspring]

Love that power feed Stefan!

[@jamesoconnell9396]

A Sharpie, for you Yanks... Marker ink, broad chisel marker, I love your compatibility with sprache!! I wish I were more comprehensive of germane methods of beschreibung! Thank You, Stefan!! Who knew your videos could teach the mother languages!!

[@erlingweiseth2774]

Another "out of this world" finish from the Master! Thanks for sharing!

[@normanfeinberg9968]

Thank's again for sharing your skilled workmanship.Especially enjoyed the polishing and fitting of the arbors

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you!

[@artmckay6704]

When you have a Master piece to work from it sure simplifies the whole process! Thanks for sharing! :)

[@ClownWhisper]

taper attachments are remarkably easy to build. I only add graduations as a make more varying tapers

[@proloftz]

"A Sharpie for you yanks" - LOL!

[@bstanga]

great info on turning morse tapers.

[@MakinSumthinFromNuthin]

I have yet to use my taper attachment but plan on making a number of these as my next project. Thanks for showing your method Stefan. Great result 😊 ~ Richard

[@YourOldDog]

Very much enjoy your videos, I have learned a lot from you. Just a hobbyist machinist here but have a rather complete shop. enjoy the tips I'm getting off your work. All the best

[@glennfelpel9785]

Love the power feed. The set-up and the taper turning was an excellent demonstration of your skills. Thank you for sharing and Merry Christmas!

[@Gkuljian]

Excellent work. A few good tips as well. I can't believe I've never used oil with sandpaper. Thanks for taking the time to share.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Gkuljian It lasts longer that way and cuts more freely :)

[@BuildSomthingCool]

using a drill as a power feed is a great idea.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Metal Tips and Tricks (Dale Derry) I would love to say that the idea to use the drill was my idea, but I saw that somewhere else :)

[@Strothy2]

The old Tony sends his regards!

[@ClownWhisper]

I've been doing this for years! I felt bad like I was doing something to amateuristic to admit.... now I feel much better lol

[@tyhuffman5447]

Nice work Stefan

[@KnolltopFarms]

Another "Stefan Special" high quality tool for me to bookmark into my 'Tools to Make' folder, thanks for sharing your skills with us and also making a great video for a rainy Winter's day...Aloha, Chuck

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Knolltop Farms Haha, Winter. Dont we have normaly snow in winter? ;) Thank you chuck!

[@VinceSaluto1]

Stefan, I have been a hobby machinist for a very long time and I find that I learn something new almost on every video you do so I must say thank you again sincerely for the videos that you share. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a happy new year. Sincerely Vince.

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed, nice build/instructions/discussion......Happy Holidays.....FYI, I did a video a while back showing the use of a drill as a power feed, watching you today gave me an idea for a future adaptor build in lieu of a socket!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+outsidescrewball Thank you, quiet holidays for you too! I am always thinking about using a flexible driveshaft and use the powerfeed of the lathe to the topslide...that would also allow to do conical threads...

[@caemaridwn]

Very nice job Stefan I like the way you explain things. Have a Happy new year.

[@robertkutz]

stefan great video nice work.

[@noelrieusset718]

Hi Stefan, Nice video as usual.

[@armdaMan]

Hello STEFAN Better late than ......... This was one of those....."Oh ! ...so that's how it's done" videos for us !!!. Just great watching U improvise with some cool ideas. As always, so much for us to catch up on and Your explanations along the way make watching and learning most enjoyable. Keep 'em rolling and thanks a zillion for SHARING 'cos without You Guys sharing Your knowledge and experience we, and speaking for myself, would be none the wiser. LORD BLESS aRM

[@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738]

From my family to yours a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year.

[@stephenreeves9025]

Excellent as usual. When I did the practice set up for cutting a MT3 I used aluminum, ended up making a hammer handle out of it for my tool post, I put a socket on one end to fit the tool post nut and a 1" copper pipe cap on the other to persuade stuff to move.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Stephen Reeves Never trow anything away! And as Tom Lipton said, one can never have enough hammers ;) I made such a double hammer with a socket on one side and copper on the other side just recently for the draw bar of my mill :)

[@jessestrum]

thankyou for posting stefan top man

[@RichardHeadGaming]

love the hand held power feed lol

[@JeremiahL]

genius idea using a known good taper to set up your compound angle. I probably would have tried to eye ball it using the scale... lol

[@marceltimmers1290]

Hi mate. Some more quality tools produced by Stefan. I always enjoy seeing you making tools. Well done again.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Marcel Timmers Thank you :)

[@ChrisB257]

Nice refresher Stefan - long time since I machined some blank arbors. I did use a taper attachment but took ages to set up - so, did the compound method for MT2. Your sequence was nice to watch, including power feed! :) Great job. I could do with some of that #M - but can use super fine lapping paste with thick packing paper strips. I have found an MT2 reamer very useful for lightly checking and cleaning a female taper if needed.

[@juanrivero8]

That is the neatest DIY compound feed I have ever seen. Made my day. I don't have anything for the socket to grab... hmm maybe an adaptor -- oops, I see outsidescrewball (hi Chuck!) has preempted me :)

[@derKarl_stp]

the so called hand held independent variable speed reversible power feed (hhivsrpf) in use... love that engineering ;)

[@Dans-hobbies]

Excellent video Stefan. I've used the cordless drill trick several times myself, the only issue I have is every now and then the jam nut comes undone when running the compound in reverse.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+dans-hobbies Same here...I put the nut back on with some ligh loctite :)

[@Meulmeester]

Hi Stefan, You mentioned that these cutters are heavy on the torque. I noticed they have a key slot. Will slipping become a problem since your arbour has no key? Cheers, Norman

[@joshua43214]

+1 for calling 0.01mm "pretty good." :)

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+joshua43214 :D

[@robertpearson8798]

I just had a look and you can buy sheets of the micro finishing film from Lee Valley Tools here in Canada.

[@TABE-O]

Thanks Good tip

[@rickl.orchids]

beautiful work, could use a few MT3 myself.........

[@mistermichaelj]

Merry Christmas, Stephan!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Miichael F Thank you, merry christmas to you too!

[@SodiumInteresting]

excellent, now I know how to do that 😁 thanks

[@BickDE]

Stefan, I don't have a Makita but do have a Ryobi - will have to use your power feed on my next project :>)! Just love your videos - thanks for all and Happy Holidays. Bob

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Bick1027 DE As long as it spins, even a Festool might be good enough ;) Thank you, happy holidays to you too!

[@RRINTHESHOP]

I like the compound Power Feed looks to work great. Nice fit up of the MT. The 3M micro films are very pricy, but do a very impressive job. Merry Christmas Stefan. Randy

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Randy Richard Thank you Randy, merry christmas to you too!

[@roysayers5444]

Randy Richard In The Shop 7hu8

[@charles1379]

Should the concentrically of the taper in the chuck round about 3:00min be done at both ends of the taper to check that the axis of the taper is in line with that of the lathe, not just where it was measured??

[@stevenfoster1940]

I like your power-feed I'm going to do that now

[@BillyTpower]

great video, may I ask why do MT always have a cylindrical part at the end?. my guess is for removing it so you dont crown up the end of the MT. i'm I correct Stefan?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Billy T I would think so, just to protect the taper if the end gets a bit mushed. - The short cylindrical end is defined in the standard.

[@walkinthelight8740]

Worth saying, be careful when polishing with strips near the chuck, use strips sized for the backer, and definitely dont wrap the strips around your fingers

[@BasementShopGuy]

what kind of lathe do you have?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+BasementShopGuy Chinese 9x20 lathe with heavy modifications :) gtwr.de/?page_id=137&lang=en

[@incubatork]

Just going over some older videos as I need to make some MT 3 arbours. Can I ask why you did the MT end first? that makes it harder to mount if you don't have a sleeve. By doing the sawblade end first the piece is concentric to the lathe centre for doing the MT end that also eliminates the use of avsleeve to hold it.

[@mrkucz]

not sure if i need glasses but seems to me when you start turning the chuck by hand dialing in a piece the needle moves as soon as you touch the chuck, it just doesn't seem logical that the needle would move that much as soon as you touch the chuck, i noticed this on my mini lathe which is for metal, and the dial does move/flex when i lay my hand on the chuck getting ready turn by hand, at the same time the dial jumps just a smidgen then return instantly to what the run out was when the motor was turning the piece, tried the same thing on my wood lathe and doesn't do that, my wood lathe has tapered bearings, theres gotta be more to the preload unseen forces were not taking into consideration when dialing in our piece.

[@StraightThread]

Stefan, another brilliant video! The topslide powerfeed is genius. :) I truly enjoy watching your videos. They are efficient, intelligent and insightful. Thanks for taking the time to share your efforts. Season's greetings from Texas!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Richard Freeze Thank you Richard! Have great holidays over christmas!

[@jaapdekker5983]

I am very impressed Stefan and you are a big inspireation to me! By the way, do you know Clickspring? If not, you might be interested.

[@OldIronShops]

where did you get the spiral material to cover the lead screw?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Chris Anderson The leadscrew cover? That was stock on that lathe. But you should be able to source such things from special supliers. Did a quick search on McMaster-Carr: www.mcmaster.com/#telescoping-covers/=10crobi

[@mcioga]

Hi Stefan, do you have any trick to remove morse taper collet from the milling machine without having to hit with a hammer on the drawbar? I always hurt when I have to strike with a little more force, even if the hammer is made of brass !!

[@dennisa6132]

I made your style of arbor for my deckel but I used an ER-32 collet setup, unfortunately it has slipped in the collet more than once when in use, fine for brass or aluminum but steel not so much. Seems like a collet setup isn't good enough with regards to holding power. I was considering an SK40 to MT2 adapter solution instead, but there is no way to have a drawbar to hold the MT2 taper in place so it would probably not work. I guess I will have to acquire an SK40 end mill holder in the proper size (16mm shaft).

[@AndriyPodanenko]

you can use technique of shifting tailstock out of thecenter for getting taper angle for turning larger tapers.

[@AndriyPodanenko]

and there you can use power feed of the carriage for turning taper as well

[@intjonmiller]

Andrii Podanenko You absolutely can, but then you have to take the time to re-align it perfectly so you don't inadvertently turn a taper the next time you support something with the tailstock. Also the tailstock offset method results in misaligned centers on both ends, which can mar the drilled center in the workpiece, or the centers, or both. And because the centers are no longer aligned properly there is a risk of producing a part that does not run concentric down the entire length if you aren't turning down the diameter of the entire part while in that configuration. In short many people prefer to use tailstock offset only as a last resort. It can work, but it can also create at least as many problems as it solves. Frankly I've considered tack welding mine in position.

[@johntinamostyn4044]

Hi Stefan, love the video. The tool it used is HSS, yes. Could you show how to grind one with the chip breaker you have? Thanks

[@bigwave_dave8468]

Hey Stefan, revisiting this: if you did it today would you just rough turn the taper, then use the surface grinder?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yes - These days I would absolutely grind the taper :)

[@bigwave_dave8468]

@@StefanGotteswinter Thanks Stefan! I just started using a new-to-me Harig surface grinder and will start by using it to make a balancing arbor for grinding wheels

[@3MrP3]

Do you have to fit the taper using emery paper or can you somehow also turn down those parts?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+3MrP3 Yes, they can be turned, but i would have needed to ajust the top slide very, very, very small ammounts and thats realy hard - Fitting them by hand is easier :)

[@3MrP3]

+Stefan Gotteswinter That makes sense. Thank you!

[@shade38211]

Using metal polish like mothers work on finishing? Thx for vid again , really like the small engine series also..

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+shade38211 yeah, you could use metal polish but that would only improve the finish a bit more :)

[@artmckay6704]

Stefan, I see you sanding the Morse Taper shaft with sandpaper. Do you ever burnish your work instead? Does anyone burnish anything nowadays? Thanks! :)

[@brianross7233]

Why does no one make tooling out of stainless?

[@stanseel8900]

why did i never think of the universal joint....

[@flugschulerfluglehrer7139]

Hi, Wouldn't it be more appropriate for a MT to finish it with a shearing tool and finally roll finish it. That is not meant a a recommendation, just a question to the "Master of precision".

[@bcbloc02]

Sponsored by Makita, your channel is really getting big! :-) That is a pretty aggressive looking chip breaker, does it require touching up fairly often?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+bcbloc02 Haha, I still have to buy my powertools myself. Also nobody drops a Cnc router at my door...but I am fine with that and I have the freedom of saying that the chuck of that makita drill is crap ;) Yes, I grind some of my tools very agressive, as my lathe can take every bit of help that it can get. They hold their edge suprisingly long, and touching them up takes only a few seconds :)

[@bcbloc02]

Stefan Gotteswinter I find that most keyless hand drills really only like the bits with the flats or a hex, otherwise they always seem to slip. Keyed chucks always seem to hold better for me but then you have the problem of finding the key. My Metabo hammer drill has been a great drill but it uses an odd chuck key you can't find in stores here. I keep meaning to order one online but I hate paying more for shipping than the piece costs. :-(

[@ClownWhisper]

70 meters is $211 usd!!!!

[@dinkysworkshop1518]

can't you offset your tailstock?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Dinkys Workshop Nope, when I rebuilt the lathe I made the tailstock fixed perfectly in line. The offset-mechanic was a piece of crap...

[@dinkysworkshop1518]

+Stefan Gotteswinter then your next project needs to be a taper attachment or an adjustable offset dead center.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Dinkys Workshop I can use my boring head as an offset center - But I find turning with an offset tailstock kinda painfull. But my brain is already "working" on a taper attachement... ;)

[@oh8wingman]

You really don't need a taper attachment or to set you compound to the angle. There are a number of taper attachments available on EBay that use your tailstock and will offset the centre and you can turn your part between centres with a lathe dog. Another method is to use a boring head to create the offset on your tailstock and you then turn using loose ball bearing for centres. There is a good example of how to do this on This Old Tony's channel at kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6utZ6qIap50obs . He also shows a method of turning spheres in this video.

[@unfreundlich7168]

just startet watching all your videos I LOVE THEM!!! that 3m film (262 L) you can buy it at shop-sks.com but it is really expensive stuff!!! 100 meters 500 $ :D but there is no alternative.....3m rules abrasives and glue 3m!

[@yvesmorrissette3948]

That reminds me of some poor dude AVE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYO1f5eLjsamfrc Already sent him the link. Thanks for sharing Stefan!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

+Yves Morrissette Haha, I am suprised that the safety police didnt go for him, making a cone-woodsplitter... ;)

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[@stanseel8900]

why did i never think of the universal joint....