SAWR: "Stop saying they tunneled when you’re just terrible at hiding" - Dead by Daylight

I figure I'll just name this series "Scott Argues with Reddit" since I want to do it a lot.
/ scottjund

[@Pyrax-Tunneled-You]

Scott is the moistcritikal of dbd.

[@christianl3314]

hey guys, it's Vile Scott.

[@Jefrejtor]

SoggySarcastic

[@ScottJund]

YEAHHHH BABYYYY

[@gabrielm.846]

Scott is the better Florida man

[@xoxonaotchan_7902]

​@@gabrielm.846agreed

[@Kauaski]

I completely forgot that "The Unknown" was the new killer, and I thought you were talking about the Wonka Experience guy

[@brodiemorris2081]

😭

[@alexbigloo]

LMAO

[@cazy323]

LMAOAOEKDNWW

[@brad1426]

I did have a pretty big chuckle when I saw that in the news story tho.

[@frise6183]

>Hook dude >Go away >Gets unhooked before I can move more than 5 meters >Look back >Unhooked dude runs straight towards me, unhooker is nowhere to be found >Re-hook dude that ran towards me >Get called tunneler

[@ass640]

Not much fun in just redowning the dumbass running straight towards you though... The entire fun of the game is chasing and getting chased. Unless you're in a tournament where there's money on the line or something, but I'm not sure why you would be playing DBD competitively unless you no life at all...

[@larsliamvilhelm]

Yeah that totally happens i'm sure..... In my 6000 hours, i don't think i've ever had that happen to me ever or even seen it happen unless the unhooked survivor wants to go next.

[@Mercer526]

​@@larsliamvilhelmusually if someone unhooks in your face and the unhooker is injured, the person getting unhooked will try and take a hit for them with bt. If that's the case, I'll just wait it out and hook them again.

[@HistoricMold440]

You’ve got to be lying then cause this is a super common thing that survs will do. The guy who gets unhooked has 10 seconds where you aren’t allowed to hit him so they will get in your way and block you from going after anyone else, and yes they will call you a tunneler if you just go after the guy who is intentionally not letting you chase anyone else

[@pious_oculi]

I actively punish players who do that. Have plenty of times when I was gonna go for the unhooker but they got in my face to block for them. It's the unhooker's responsibility to defend. Most of the time they're full health and can take a hit but never want to. They just unhook and abandon and don't even try to take agro. It can ruin a match for the survivor side when nobody tries to defend the unhooked.

[@Dapuh938]

It doesn't matter if they have tunneling in mind. Body blocking and trying to displace the scratch marks. 90% of the time if the killer wants to tunnel they will ignore you entirely

[@smtmonke]

Pretty much, tunneling isn't a skill issue on the survivors side more often than not, it's just a tactic that a killer can use and abuse at will. Yeah the gameplay loop and mechanics around it pretty much make tunneling a really, and I mean REALLY, bad idea. Best case scenario is the survivors just throwing themselves at you as you tunnel out the target at 5 gens. Barely any rewards for everyone, and you possibly depip because the game wasn't even played. Worse case, you don't even get a 1K as the survivor you tunnel just happens to be a god tier looper (or Rng fucks you on tile spawns.)

[@LibertyMonk]

@@smtmonke Actual literal tunneling isn't something anyone but the killer can control, but other survivors can "punish" them for it by "bullying" them in response. If the killer is ignoring you entirely, you can make it impossible for them to get to the person they're tunneling while the other two finish generators. If they only mostly ignore you, but hit you if you're body blocking, you can still be an extra health state for them. Then, don't unhook them until they're about to go to phase 2 or die, so you get a stupid amount of generator progress for free. The stupidest thing people do when someone is getting tunneled is to instantly unhook them in the killer's face. Most of the time, when someone accuses the killer of tunneling, it wasn't on purpose, it was "survivor induced" because the guy who unhooked vanished instead of drawing aggro, so the killer has the choice between chasing the only person they see, or spending time looking for no reason. If the killer *wants to* tunnel, all you can do is punish them for it, you can't stop them.

[@spencerbrummett6712]

Tunneling is a really bad strategy in most cases, survivors just don't play around it properly. 1) if you're consistently getting tunneled, you need to practice looping and get better. 2) if your teammate is getting chased, unless they're death hook, you should be on a gen or other objective. If you aren't progressing the game, you aren't punishing the killer for tunneling. The killer is making progress by injuring and hooking. You have to make progress by doing gens to counter that.

[@Dapuh938]

I didn't say it was good or bad. I'm stating that if the killer wants to tunnel they will. Only 40% of the time are the correct actions take. Most of the time survivors be dumb and unhook in the killers face after they just got done getting tunnel to second. All im saying it's easier to say in practice but do in game. Example: i was on 1st hook, and one in Chace and one on gen and 1 in the corner self-caring against sloppy. I died. Ppl just be dumb

[@user-tn2ug3kw9e]

@@smtmonke Actual tunneling isn't a survivor skill issue but coincidental 'tunneling' absolutely is. The term is often misused to describe a freshly unhooked survivor getting hooked again, and that is definitely a survivor skill issue if the killer didn't have tunneling in mind.

[@jacobtorres7601]

I agree with the reddit guy to an extent because I don't seek out that specific survivor but ppl fr run across the map and I'm trying to find the person who unhooked and the hooked survivor literally runs face first into me which at that point yeah I'm taking my free down.

[@ScottJund]

eh i mean theres a difference between "hide" and "do not sprint directly into the killer"

[@jacobtorres7601]

@@ScottJund Fair. I do believe survivors need to have more awareness overall because I may be a casual player but in end game chat I get very not happy survivors lol

[@matthenley3886]

Trying to hide is one thing, trying to hide whilst my character groans like a porn star is quite another.

[@yomama2376]

Otr, iron will, bite the bullet. That’s about it. But yeah unfortunately, a killer with a good headset will just find you in ~40 seconds after unhook, assuming they walked away.

[@Nethererack]

2:37 this isn’t always true, I’ve had multiple games where someone is being tunneled and I’ve literally gone down for that person and the killer still wants the guy who got unhooked

[@ScottJund]

That's fine then because you gave the tunneled person a massive advantage in staying alive longer

[@SweetLeavesXbox1]

Still not always true. Killers tend to Tunnle out the "weakest link" of the team. If it's an A tier killer. No matter if someone went down to buy more time. Your dead and there's nothing a team mate can realistically do. What little time that down gave won't satisfy the survivor being tunnled. Either way the survivor will feel angry about the situation. All you can do is get over it and go to the next trial. I dont experience hard-core tunneling enough to be considered an issue tho. Same with Face camping before the free borrowed time and Deliverance buffs. Just a bunch of whiny people who aren't human enough to take a lose. I believe these whiny people has effected DBD in a negative way.

[@Romeo-le2ez]

I don’t think players should do that unless they have unbreakable or are at 1 gen if not then you’re just giving the killer free slowdown

[@snewp_e2139]

@@Romeo-le2ez a survivor dying early is an instant loss for survivors, going down for someone being tunneled will grant the team more time to do gens and the tunneled survivor more time to get away. Plus they can do gens until you almost fully recover on the ground before they come heal you

[@Peachrocks5]

To be fair though the killer gets so many gimmes on finding the weak link. Unhooked? BOOOOOOM!!! Killer gets a massive notification and interface tells them so, there isn’t a even a perk that helps with this as a band aid fix like OTR. Removing this alone would make tunnelling a lot harder, delay interface and rework perks related to unhooks. Survivor is also wounded, so unless OTR they make sounds as Scott says. OTR is not on starting perks either. When I’m playing killer sometimes I have to actively try to not tunnel because of all the gimmes I get on the ‘tunnel victim’. I don’t care to win so I’ll just pretend I don’t hear them. The amount of killers though I see who visibly stop what they are doing and react to an unhook notification and start tunnelling is disgusting. Yet until BHVR do something about it, it’s going to keep happening. I do agree though that the unhooked has to do more to prevent the tunnel. Some people do really insanely unsafe unhooks, needlessly and it’s really bad when you are on hook and don’t want to be unhooked but nope, game forces you into ‘let’s get tunneled again’.

[@ZTGallagher]

Scott "100% of the time, it works every time" Jund

[@Bodyknock]

I definitely agree with everything Scott said about why it's important to be careful unhooking someone to help them not get hooked again right away. That said, to be fair to what the original thread was probably trying to say, there are a lot of times I get accused of "tunneling" when really I just happened to find the same person two or three times in a row. Even when I'm not intentionally trying to force a specific person out, I still can get called a tunneller by a survivor who THINKS I intentionally went only after them when in reality they just happened to be the most opportune target most of the time.

[@ScottJund]

eh even then, its on the other three teammates then. this is why Distortion kills people so much

[@larsliamvilhelm]

If you "accidentally" found the same person three times in a row, you did tunnel lol. Whether deliberate or not, that's tunneling.

[@Bodyknock]

@@larsliamvilhelm No, it's not.

[@RezEverday]

@@larsliamvilhelm I mean on a technicality sure. But its not the kind anyone is complaining about (or atleast its stupid if they are). If the survivor themselves wants to die, run up to you after every unhook and stands still. Hooking them thrice is still "tunneling" but who cares. I was asisting in suicide.

[@larsliamvilhelm]

@@RezEverday If you hook someone, then go chase someone else for a considerable duration, then leave them and accidentally finds the person you hooked earlier, yeah that's not tunneling. However when people say they "accidentally" found the same person 3 times in a row, that doesn't ever really happen unless you make a conscious effort to find the same person again, or it means you ignore other survivors you find. Either that or 3 out of 4 survivors are actually Distortion Blendettes who hide all game, which doesn't happen all that often let's be honest but in that case then the killer doesn't really have much of an option.

[@Daniiiiiiiiis]

the amount of times i’ve gotten someone off hook and tried to take the killers aggro, meanwhile they walk right past me and go straight for the unhooked person is too many to count

[@Daniiiiiiiiis]

no one expects a killer to just completely ignore the person who got unhooked thats unrealistic, but when my entire team is there unhooking me and im getting tunneled at 4 gens whats the counter? i cant make the killer not tunnel me unless i have ds or some other perk i shouldnt have to bring

[@jackbennett2269]

Yep

[@stephengrant4841]

I stopped playing because of this. It’s just anti-fun.

[@snewp_e2139]

@@Daniiiiiiiiistheres no real counter unfortunately, i think scott uses an anti tunnel build with plot twist flip flop power struggle and dead hard which can buy your team more time to do gens, but thats really it

[@Mike-lz7rg]

@Daniiiiiiiiis get as good as you can at looping. Don't be afraid to pre-drop. Run Off the record and decisive strike. If you do those you should be fine.

[@deadinthedaylight142]

Bruh I shit you not I play with a fucking bonehead who after being unhooked and fully healed, runs across the map to unhook and heal someone, will hide behind a rock, get found then say "I'M BEING TUNNELLED" after the game he'll tell the killer they are trash and to get a life. BUT if someone tries to dish it out on him, he thinks he's being targeted for verbal harassment and complain. You really do find all kinds of people playing this game lmfao

[@JustaJunkie438]

Sounds like you need to educate your friend on what tunneling actually is

[@WyattOShea]

This^. Also their friend needs to get some self awareness and realise what they're doing wrong or they'll never improve .@@JustaJunkie438

[@deadinthedaylight142]

@@JustaJunkie438 I need you to know that trying to explain anything to this man will result in him telling you to shut up and eat his ass. He's the most unreasonable person on the planet LOL

[@tinyshipbreaker999]

critical thinking skills: Absent, common malady though.

[@flamedramon68]

Sounds like a lovely gentleman to play with

[@stepounjames5927]

Babysitter is also an another perk if you want to help out the unhooked survivor, but not a lot of people really care about it, so

[@drzack9459]

I have started using it recently, it's quite nice

[@Aquilenne]

I tried it, but dropped it when too many people kept running right into the killer instead of following me when I tried leading them away. It really needs to give the aura reading to the unhooked survivor too.

[@gort5516]

people don't care about it because it's just not very good lol

[@emogirlrosie]

The problem for me is that it sucks in solo que. I'll run to unhook someone and then another survivor will come out from the corner to get there before me and now its useless and we're all near the unhooked person. Until they add some way for survivors to see what perks you have or some way to let others know you're going for the unhook, it's not really useful for solos.

[@DoctorTheo]

I do believe it is a case by case basis when it comes to moments like these. As a killer, I've had moments where I've accidentally tunneled someone out because I just kept finding them while wandering around

[@NameIsDoc]

Yeah I had that happen once I literally walked around the entire map and ran into the same survivor 3 times. I wasn't looking for him I REALLY wanted to get someone else but the gens were low at the third meeting.

[@doctorockzo]

There's no such thing as accidental tunneling, by definition tunneling means intent. That survivor just played badly.

[@anonno6411]

Not to mention those that just sit under hook healing regardless of distance. "Dear lord he's coming back to hook, EGAD!"

[@silverrose1933]

Well if he's coming back to the hook then you're fucked anyway

[@Katana314]

@@silverrose1933Not always, keep in mind there’s a reason they added unhook Endurance *and* speed boost. If the killer plays it wrong, that person is literally harder to down than a healthy player.

[@silverrose1933]

@Katana314 true, I guess the problem is if the killer wants to tunnel you then there's very little you can do

[@Katana314]

​@@silverrose1933If your specific and only goal is escaping, yes, but it's still very satisfying to gain a bunch of points and be the reason they lose to the 3 others. It even fits with the horror movie trope of heroic sacrifices.

[@savetah6174]

@@silverrose1933Not If u used the time to run to Shack or Main building

[@derrickhegeman3205]

I’ve had a lot of success running reassurance. If you use reassurance in the killers face against someone they’re camping or tunneling, a lot of the time it’s a good way of getting their attention. At worse it buys the survivor on the hook an extra 30 seconds before they get tunneled

[@Mike-lz7rg]

Reasurance is a broken perk and shouldnt be in the game.

[@derrickhegeman3205]

@@Mike-lz7rg From my point of view Reassurance doesn’t do anything unless the killer is actively camping or tunneling. If they go about their match and go after someone else the perk has no value. I could see an argument though for disabling it during end game, as at that point camping is allowed since the anti camping meter is disabled.

[@silverrose1933]

​@@Mike-lz7rghow? It's an anti camp perk and there's an anti camp feature. If it was broken people would use it more, it's a mid perk bro. I think you probably got mad cause someone used reassurance when you were trying to camp lol

[@TravisTLCdrumming]

My rule has always been if you use the free BT off hook offensively, you’re getting tunneled. If you use OTR offensively, you’re getting tunneled. Then there’s the situation where you don’t tunnel at all and gens go so fast you can’t even think straight. At that point you have no options and you have to match the speed of survivors and currently the only way to do that is to kill someone. You’ll never ever ever ever ever ever see a SWF or survivor say “hey let’s slow down on gens so the killer has fun” You can play fair all game, 2 hook everyone and they’ll all be at the exit gate t bagging and messaging you to kill your self. Play the way you want, because everyone else does.

[@white_hound6811]

Same with locker ds

[@ass640]

Nobody who is using Basekit BT and OTR offensively is bothered about getting tunnelled... that's not what we're talking about here at all... we're talking about the people who hardcore tunnel baby survivors off the hook to secure a 4k so their dad stops beating them.

[@white_hound6811]

@@ass640lol you sound mad maybe you are running out of copium

[@larsliamvilhelm]

Uhm yes actually, you will see a survivor slow the game down if the killer is clearly struggling. If i see that we've popped like 3 gens and the killer has no hooks, assuming it's a killer i somewhat enjoy going against and not a Dull Merchant or a Xenomorph, i'll purposefully stop doing gens and go look for the killer, even if they're chasing someone else i will just hover around the chase and maybe take hits or go for saves.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

Match the energy, 100%.

[@Dragonhypbrid]

I try to only to not tunnel, but if someone who just got unhooked is flaunting the endurance in my face and not letting me swap targets, I am 100% going to go after them and tunnel them at that point. Let me go after someone else!

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Agreed, the intent is always obvious (they spin into you to take the endurance hit) and it is 100% authorized to re-hook 😂

[@Zoulz666]

Truth is if the killer wants to tunnel they will. Doesn't matter if you try to get their attention.

[@just_tired701]

For me, the only time tunneling doesn’t fall on the situation, the killer, or the unhooker is of either the unhooked survivor is trying to use their basekit BT to hinder the killer, in which case whether or not they wanted to tunnel is out of the question as you just threw yourself at their feet, and when a survivor refuses to even try to leave the area before they return to their objectives. If the killer receives an unhook notification and checks only to see you on a gen or cleansing their hex, I’d say it is no longer the killer’s fault that you got tunneled. Otherwise, it was either a situation in which the killer had to tunnel, such as it being down to a single generator left and all 4 survivors are left alive, the killer’s fault, such as them going out of their way to tunnel you, or the unhooker’s fault, like if they know the killer is near, yet refuse to take aggro after unhooking their teamate.

[@MrCoffeTable]

I think the point of the post is that just because the killer goes for you after being un hooked doesn't automatically mean the killer is trying to tunnel. It's not about whether or not the person being un hooked messed up or if it was the person un hooking them. There's been plenty of times that I go to check on an un hook and they are just healing under hook and one of them runs to a side of the map with killer shack and no gens and one runs to middle of the map where gens are, i'm going to chase the one going towards the gens, if that happens to be the one that got un hooked that's just tough luck, I would be trolling my self by chasing one of them deep into a dead zone when I could chase the other one and still pressure gens, that doesn't mean I'm trying to tunnel.

[@Ghangis24]

I agree about Reddit not being as bad. It definitely has it's moments, but if you've spent any time on DBD Twitter, they aren't really even comparable. DBD TikTok... I can only imagine

[@rileyp1506]

I got called slurs on dbd tiktok for saying the Huntress buffs are bad but shes still not A tier. people actually think shes a top 5 killer

[@user-tn2ug3kw9e]

dbd tiktok is purely hyper defensive mains of both sides. Someone posted a clip of them bullying a legion and tbagging and pointing/flashy clicking at them at pallets, and when they got called out for being toxic in the comments, they and a bunch of other random survivor mains said that she was "indicating to the killer to break the pallet"

[@dankmemes7796]

“The only content creator that regularly goes to Reddit “ oh Scott your poor bastard .

[@typhoniks]

> killer hooks > walks away to patrol/pressure > survivors unhook > the unhooker runs and hides > the only survivor you can find is the one that was on hook > gets called a tunneler for not throwing the game to find someone hiding

[@DaBrownie]

Sometimes I tunnel against good teams to force them off gens and take hits but they don’t and I just end up brutally tunneling a survivor 💀

[@spaced0rit070]

98% of DbD reddit thinks that being called a tunneler is some terrible shame, they’ll literally make up any excuse to say they’re “Aren’t Tunneling”.

[@slavajuri]

Was my actual reaction to the thread. The inclination is just weird.

[@hex8787]

Yeah it's weird lol. Like boohoo I "tunneled". Even if I did and won, who cares. It's a game and I didn't cheat.

[@unicode0059]

tunneling is reaching the objective faster which isn't always the best game experience for both. same goes for gen rushing if survivors want to win every game, they could bring gen rushing perks but still not fun experience for both.

[@hexlupo]

I literally just saw the post on Reddit, and now here Scott is, discussing the post.

[@AlsoMeowskivich]

I think the thing that gets me most in solo q is my team mates being cowards, winding up running right into the killer when they had no idea we were healing behind the corner or something but as soon as they hear that terror radius they run, letting off that pain sound and letting the killer down them once more. Or if they just burn rubber as soon as you unhook them despite the killer being on the opposite side of the map. I just give up on chasing those ones down and just go back to my business.

[@elliebingo]

5:16 not my ass immidiately thinking that was the Wonka Glasgow Experience dude instead of the PTB killer

[@KitsBasement]

I don't entirely agree. I think the post argues a different point. They say they aren't returning to hook, meaning the unhooked survivor is getting caught in an entirely different part of the map. By chance. In that scenario it's like, does the killer ignore you just to go around looking for someone else? You're just caught in a bad spot, making it your own fault imo.

[@larsliamvilhelm]

Nah that's not what the post meant lol. They meant if you don't successfully hide from them when they're proxycamping the hook area while you're injured, you must be "bad" at hiding and therefore deserves to be tunneled.

[@KitsBasement]

​@@larsliamvilhelmwhat makes you think that? I've looked at the post myself and the only thing they mention is that they're NOT camping the hook. In other words when they're in a different part of the map and come across the survivor by chance.

[@PanmasterAtArms]

One of the problems with some of the anti-stealth perks(Ultimate Weapon, Nowhere to Hide) killers run nowadays is going to hide as a fresh unhook just...doesn't work? I've been caught after being unhooked because the killer was running Ultimate Weapon and happened to walk into my area while I was hidden behind a rock. In that moment, I don't suck at hiding, they just kinda found me because they opened a locker. I guess Calm Spirit's the new anti-tunnel perk.

[@KitsBasement]

@@PanmasterAtArms I mean yeah, in that scenario you just get screwed over and I don't think there's anything you can do about it except be lucky (that you have the right perks or otherwise).

[@salem7699]

Scott is truly the Pissed Off but Rational gamer we all need

[@SAR500]

Me: deathhook been chased all game Rescuer: 0 hooks 🪝 not have been chased at all Also rescuer: *let me go hide* Me: 😑

[@Darcys_Place]

Tunnelling works, very well, and it is high reward, and that is why it is used so much. You can not hide from them when you are taken off hook. Perks are irrelevant. The killers are almost always, stood right there, at the unhook, as it happens. They know to stay outside of the "Face camping penalty" area after they hook (which also takes them outside of standard Kindred, etc). Then they watch for someone coming in to make the unhook. Then they will rush back in, and try to either scare the unhooker off (to run out the stage clock for the person on hook), or to free hit the person, as they make the run in. (Whatever the case, they are always very close or there at the moment of unhooking). By doing this "proxy-camping", the killers will mostly get a free hit on the unhooker as they move into make that unhook, and at the hook too. Thereby, leaving them already on the ground. This is also more likely, because the killers who do this "CaST"routine, are mostly using a killer with a one down power, (such as Bubba, Ghosty, Myers, or Billy), or one who can rush back in fast (like Wesker, Spirit, Wraith, or Blight), or one who can throw things back at the hook, as they run back in (e.g. Huntress, Trickster, Death slinger). These are killers who come to camp, slug and tunnel in most if not all games they play. They do not intend to patrol generators. They do not intend to go into chases with anyone who can loop. They mostly note who they think is the weakest player in the lobby, and go out to find them from the start. Moreover, they generally have chosen to take in perks like: "Make Your Choice", "Starstruck" or Chucky's "Friends" to assist in the takedown of both players at an unhooking. Perks like "Devour Hope" and "Rancour", are also often part of the pro-camper builds you see. Helping in the camping process efficiency. "Lethal Pursuer" and "Corrupt intervention", are also often used and paired, to increase the speed and efficiency of camp, slug, tunnel, from hook 1. The common strategy employed now in many games by these killers who often have 500 hours in game or much more, means the unhooker is often slugged, and then left on the floor, while the killer will fixate on the person that was unhooked. The perk "Off the record", will at best simply extend the chase off of hook a little bit. But that survivor will not get away most of the time. I would say 95% or more of the time OTR is ineffective. (DS is equally ineffective overall). This is why camp, slug and tunnel has become so common in the game. Increasingly so, year to year. It works well, and more so, if you set out to do it from Hook 1, using certain killers, and certain meta perk combinations. In my view "Camp, Slug, Tunnel", (CaST), has now ruined enough solo Q games to make the experience often devoid of fun for games in a row. And that is why many long term survivors have given up and gone for good in my experience. As a result of this process since 2021 in particular, the game is now full of mixed teams, in which often 1-2 players are low experience/low hours (xbox pass), and 1-2 are solo players. These team make ups, make camp and tunnel even more effective now. The teams lack the individual experience and overall coordination to identify and deal with it. And the more experienced players have become so sick of it, they cannot be bothered to try anymore. (This is also I think a big part of why there is so much, d/c, afk and self kill on hook in games. (They simply recognise the CaST routine)). In "defence" of what they do, these killers who camp, claim they are forced to do it, due to all the SWF teams they meet. But I think that is totally false. Firstly, because the one group it does not work against are the 4 person SWF teams. Clearly, we see it used at the start of the month at reset, when they are playing mixed teams and low experience teams. Moreover, in the recent "lights out" event, which clearly was killer sided, we saw it in full display too at crazy levels of use. Showing it is a choice used for easy games and progression, and not a necessity. Although, with that said, I think its interesting to note, that since camp, slug and tunnel from hook 1, is so effective, it often results in a 3-4k, with 30-40k bps, and 1 or 2 pips. So, this low skill strategy, is quite likely to mean CaST killers, ironically, (as the month progresses) do quickly rise up in grade and MMR, and so do meet more of the 4 person voiced linked serious SWF teams, than most other killers. (e.g. the MMR system, and the grind "Grade System" is so terribly flawed, in favour of pro-campers). Those players who say they escape off hook, all the time, and cite certain perks they use (like OTR, DS), are either mistaken, or still at low MMR in my view. (Like those who claim to loop killers in most games for 2-5 gens -- it simply does not happen in real games, above low MMR. Killers don't chase long at mid to high MMR -- they defend gens). *[And this is why we need to have "hardcore challenges", to get the noob killers chasing experienced survivors for 2-5 gens] We are a small group of friends, with no streaming aspirations at all. The video on our channel title page includes a game, with all of the above plainly in action. The problem as we see it, is this "Hook 1 CaST", has become normalised and common. (I've played from beta in 2016 as killer, solo survivor and in SWF teams, who were taking it very seriously, or not at all).

[@hyrulezomby6828]

There are multiple factors to if the killer will tunnel: 1) what state is the game in? Are the gens almost done or maybe does the killer have no pressure and need to force more pressure? 2) did the unhook happen when the killer hasn’t left or when the killer was in the nearby area still? 3) did the unhooked survivor decided to body block the killer? 4) honestly sometimes the killer just tunnels because they want to play that way. At the end of the day, there is no one specific reason for it to happen. All we can do is remember that it’s just a video game and that even if you get camped or tunneled and feel upset, that you can always put the game down and take some time to relax before picking the game back up and having fun again😊.

[@Nebula_ya]

I think you missed the point, they aren't talking about killers with tunnelling on their mind, they're talking about killers who AVOID tunnelling and happen to run into the injured unhooked survivor, in that case they have a very valid point

[@dumblenutz5561]

>gets unhooked >immediately runs to nearest generator >killer comes back for whatever reason and catches you on a gen >"tunneler!" happens every time

[@larsliamvilhelm]

If the killer comes back "for whatever reason", that reason is 9/10 times to tunnel lol.. "For whatever reason" haha.

[@dumblenutz5561]

@@larsliamvilhelm Not necessarily wrong, but not necessarily right. There can be other reasons, such as simply not getting into another chase during the time the survivor was hooked, there being something of interest near the hooked area, it simply being more optimal to go back to prevent healing, etc. Don't be so black and white, man.

[@gabrote42]

​@@larsliamvilhelm ehy would I túnel someone by going to the other side of Toba Landing and patrolling that gen? Sometimes they just run across the map and I hear them

[@larsliamvilhelm]

@@kuppa391 Yeah but just stop pretending like you aren't a proxycamping tunneler.

[@XxStealthPhenomxX]

I really like that you go on reddit and other platforms to find things to talk about, it always feels you engage with the community very heavily. Just some positive energy to you Scott, much respect

[@joaohenriquerocha3425]

100% it's on the unhooker, one of the worst feeling as killer is going to the unhook notification expecting to find the unhooker but they are nowhere to be seen but you see the hooked survivor running in the distance and now you have no other choice other than to tunnel knowing they probably have 89 seconds of endurance and a DS waiting for you

[@TheDaveCave_]

My favorite is people who body block then complain that you tunneled

[@teache1210]

The best part is when the unhoked person tries to take a hit for the full health unhooker. The complains about being tunneled afterwards.

[@latrodectahespara2728]

I like the idea of this new video type filling in between major content updates, should be a fun time

[@lucas0sz]

While I agree with Scott, I also think he missed the point: the guy on the post is talking about a situation in which he's NOT immediately going back to the hook to tunnel, but the unhooked survivor paints the whole map red, not only making no effort to hide, but also making it harder for the survivor who saved them to get the killer's attention. So I'd say, in this situation, it is their own fault they're getting tunneled.

[@doomygloomy1]

As a killer main I agree. I look for survivors, any survivors, near the hook. Whoever I see first gets chased. I know they are around there somewhere and it is my objective to hunt them down.

[@keltonschleyer6367]

What’s bad about BHVR is that they don’t prevent bad behavior. If it’s in the game, it’s fair game. We cannot encourage or enforce standards of courtesy unless the game mechanics enforce them for us. If you expect or hope other people will play by arbitrary community rules, you will be disappointed.

[@Leslie1984Adams]

My guy spitting facts. Killers tunnel in soloq not because they get pressured by bunch of survivors in SWF but because other survivors make it incredibly easy for them to tunnel. Unhooking literally seconds after being hooked when you can still smell the bacon in trappers mouth. OR they unhook and run 180 in other direction instantly. I've had survivors sandbag me off hook because killer came back and started chasing and they didn't want to go down. I do for the most part agree with Scott apart from 1 part which is doing a gen in killers face. I play in a 2 man swf with my brother most of time. Myself and my bro has on my occasions tried to body block for each other during tunnelling, or even doing blatantly obvious things like dropping a pallet and repeatedly fast vaulting, failing skill checks on gen on purpose, fast vaulting lockers, running right next to killer trying to get a opportunity to block him somehow and in a vast majority of these games the killer will 100% ignore you to get the tunnel. Only this morning I played against a Chucky who literally slugged me and another survivor to tunnel out 1 of the other Randoms. Literally slugged us. I'm a firm believer that if a killer is tunnelling he full well came into the match with that intention, and will do what they can to follow through. Most of the time its purely out of spite or for being an obnoxious narcissistic troll. You can check their steam profile and its literally pages upon pages of -rep for toxic play and a lot of times not even killer alone they exhibit this behaviour as survivors as well. You will always get the 1 kid who will cry about written or unwritten rules that entitled survivors make up. But problem is this discussion wouldn't even be taking place if this was a rampant infection crippling the game.

[@anitoancognita7060]

I often do the tunneling because person who did unhook is hiding immidietly after that and unhooked person is just easier to track because of pools of blood and moaning. So yeah, i think if you did the unhooking and then hiding - you actively killing the unhooked person

[@teganlov4638]

Unhook notifications should not exist. There should be a huge delay for when a survivor is unhooked or the killer needs to be a certain distance to be notified. Unhooked survivors should not leave scratch marks for 8 seconds or so :)

[@sillylilstella]

as a killer main, i actively avoid tunneling, camping, 3 gens, and such. not just "i wont do it" but if given the opportunity and with the knowledge that it would probably turn the tides in my favor, i choose not to do it. so it genuinely infuriates me when a person who just got unhooked keeps running straight into me for no reason, not even to try and get a chase out of me or use anti-tunneling perks, but just because they're so absentminded in their movement that they run TOWARDS my terror radius

[@user-iw2bn3gz1n]

Punish them for it. Why would you play nice for survivors? They wouldn't play nice for you. If you have a rough game they are still gonna be waiting at the exit tbagging you into oblivion😂

[@sillylilstella]

@@user-iw2bn3gz1n thats just an overgeneralization. do better.

[@aFem]

It's a game, not a job. I just throw axes at people.

[@mateuscosta9402]

let's picture this oh so common common scene there's a gen at 80%, the killer hook the guy that was on it, kick the gen and leave. the killer injure someone else and decide to go back to the nearly done gen. the priviously hooked surv didn't heal and is trying to finish the gen. he gets hooked again, the killer kicks the gen and leave. Some time later come back to defend the nearly finished gen only to found the same surv injured, in the death hook trying to finish the gen. the surv gets killed and bitches in the post game about tunnelling about 70% i "tunnel" someone is this scenario. the other 30% is when i'm in a bad mood

[@mordantpotency410]

It's so frustrating. Half the time you can't tell if they're doing it intentionally or they're just being stupid, and nowadays with the Deadline + Hyperfocus + Stakeout build being fairly common (and quite strong), you're just throwing the game if you ignore the injured Survivor just trying to be fair. It's like, sorry dude, but I'm sick of getting teabagged at the exit gates for trying to 12 hook and be a "nice" Killer.

[@ryanlutes9833]

My biggest advice to people who don't want to be tunneled? for the love of god stop healing under hook. It's something I see people of all different play times and skill levels doing, and it's always bad. You save a few seconds at most, and at worst straight up lose the entire match because of it. We get a big, loud ass notification immediately on unhook, if we're even remotely nearby we're going to go there.

[@sovietspaceship]

most of the time I get tunneled out (or I tunnel someone) it's because the unhooker just doesn't take protection hits at all or teammates are bad at bodyblocking. Solo queue players are especially bad at this, they don't see the value in distributing hooks and end up enabling tunneling even when the killer isn't intentionally doing so. Ideally survivors should try distribute hooks uniformly on their own accord, but in the average solo queue match this only happens because the killer is doing that instead, so they got used so much to killers playing nice than anything else is considered unfair.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

While we're on this topic: STOP HEALING UNDER THE HOOK. Unless you have the perks to do it quickly, you shouldn't be doing this unless you know exactly where the killer is. This is a stupidly common survivor practice, when if they get caught, they'll also call it tunneling. Survivors are also way too fast to unhook, which is not something you should be doing. If you don't give the killer time to go somewhere else, they're not just gonna ignore the unhook notification.

[@mordantpotency410]

I hate when I've just hooked someone, have turned to check generators, and don't get more than 10 feet before I hear the unhook happen behind me. What do they expect me to do, just ignore two survivors who are literally within a Coup lunge's distance? I try to be a 12 hooks Killer but sometimes Survivors make it impossible unless I willfully throw the game to do it.

[@flyingdutchman8399]

yesterday i was just running classic sprintburst build and i figured that for killers that like to proxycamp and tunnel fixated is actually really fucking good, you can make so really good distance just by walking when the killer is looking for you and keep gaining more distance with line of sight, they never expect it

[@voltagespark7341]

You can already tell by the captions of this post just what type of player this user is 😂

[@Leaf__22]

The fact that this person is saying they're "exploring the map" and that people need to hide better should be a clear indicator that they are very inexperienced. Imagine hiding after getting unhooked instead of making distance.....

[@h445]

i agree with the premise of the reddit post - before I've watched Scott's video just wanted to say that. it's not 'tunnellig' when a surb jumps off a hook and then goes to try and flashy the killer immediately lol. it's not 'tunnelling' when the killer lets a surb go and then the surb comes right back to loop/t-bag.

[@bobcat946732]

I think this is more of a lower MMR/newer player issue where this happens more then anything. I have a few killers I basically only use to farm with and as such I get babies a lot. In these games I will go for 8 hooks before trying to kill if I even kill at all and I see survivors do this a lot. I'm across the map after hooking, the person gets unhooked, I go check a gen still away from the hook because I want to let them heal in peace and all of a sudden I see a ton of scratch marks and blood going behind a rock on the map edge. I go down them and hook them after which they'll kill themselves and then be mad at me for "tunneling". This almost never happens when I play a killer I actively try to win on. So to the reddit post I both agree and disagree. For newer players, yes your ability to badly hide does not mean the killer is tunneling. To more experienced players, it's as you said and is more on the unhooker and generally just what's going on in the match.

[@PartyPossumPosse]

I've gotten this so much lately, every other person on the team is amazing at hiding so all I find (Even when I ignore them off hook) is the unhookee. They somehow end up back in my path while I'm trying to figure out where the unhooker is.

[@spencerbrummett6712]

If the killer is close, PLEASE do not run in the same direction as the person unhooking. If I need pressure and I go back to the hook, I am not looking for the person straight off of hook. But if you run in the same direction, I have to follow both of you, and if your unhooker hides, I have to make up time lost by going for you. And if you're unhooking, do not hide like a little baby. If you're scared to take chase, you're not going to make it very far in this game.

[@LunaMoonwing]

The amount of threats alone I've received for "tunneling" when it's just the unhooked accidentally running into me when neither of us knew where the other was. People throw tunnel and camp so quickly it's ridiculous When it's a unhook in progress I've seen creators go "oh he's gonna tunnel" before they are even unhooked.

[@Xenomorpheusss]

Sadly the only real "fix" to tunnelling/camping is having the other game modes in the future since fundamentally, you basically can't stop it without doing some stupid bs to stop it or changing the base game mode on fundamental levels that you'd probably not do to a game that is this successful since it could completely backfire.

[@Katana314]

There’s some other asym games that conceptually don’t have survivor death, and just set up win conditions differently. It’s pretty nice. In Ghostbusters for instance, the busters can be downed but not killed; victory comes from filling the haunt meter.

[@jacobcoates7987]

I agree that the unhooker does have some responsibility to help their teammate. It prolongs the inevitable and is therefore good. But plenty of survivors will just go to a gen or try stealthing in a corner instead of getting somewhere safe where they can heal and thats bad. When youre on hook you can see where everyone is and make a plan for when you get off.

[@liamconnelly3115]

Even if I only see the unhooked survivor. I will usually try to look for who did the unhook, if I didn't find them or anyone else doing a gen that's when I hook them again. Because I need pressure somehow. I just had a Billy game like this and it made me feel slightly guilty. Only slightly.

[@ItzAndyArson]

The 0 hook Mikaela unhooking me 2 miliseconds after the killer walks away then they urban evasion into a corner. “Stop getting tunneled” lol

[@ssassb]

Honestly, I tunnel if someone unhooks close by and the unhooker just yeets into oblivion, leaving the unhooked survivor as the only survivor that I know the whereabouts that is a potential chase at the moment.

[@Dagens24]

If you heal at hook, tank hits, or start doing anything other than run from me; even if you were just unhooked, you're fair game to eat a hit

[@larsliamvilhelm]

Hitting the unhooked survivor isn't really tunneling, but going out of your way to look for or to down and insta-rehook the recently unhooked survivor is.

[@Mike-lz7rg]

​@@larsliamvilhelmwhats wrong with doing that? Tunneling is meta so killers should be doing it every game

[@larsliamvilhelm]

@@Mike-lz7rg Did i say something was wrong? No, you drew that conclusion. If you're wondering what i think about it, then i'd say it's wrong because it's cringe to tunnel at 4-5 gens, but anything other than that is fair game. Also you're not playing a tournament for money, relax for fucks sake. It's a video game. You're not a killer irl, you're just a dude with a controller in your hand moving pixels on a screen.

[@SweetLeavesXbox1]

I dont agree with pure tunneling being meta. Applying pressure is considered the best strat for killer. Gens fly by way to fast to focus on 1 survivor the entire trial. But that's not what your saying, is it? You mean it's best to drop chase and tunnle out the death hook player. That's not tunneling, that's an optimal decision that will raise the chances for success. The idea to Tunnle in any situation, only works if the survivor is on death hook. If not, your not really accomplishing anything. You could be chasing other survivors away from your gens. That's what typically happens. I don't play the game to chase 1 person. No1 is that special to me. Nor do I view them as some kinda god I must defeat. Most Killers don't.

[@Mike-lz7rg]

@@SweetLeavesXbox1 what you said is what I mean lol I didn't want to write a college essay lol

[@monkmain9966]

I don't disagree with any of what you said, but it feels like you and the guy on reddit are making two different points. Yes, a killer that wants to tunnel will absolutely tunnel. That being said, as the OP stated, even as a killer that isn't tunneling more often than not, it seems like survivors go through considerable efforts to not even try and drop aggro. This comes by way of bee-lining straight back into you, spamming loud noise notification events, or not making a serious effort to hide, instead choosing to crouch halfway behind a box or wall while still sounding off with grunts of pain. Then they blame you for their blatant mishaps. Could also be that Scott is at an MMR where the typical survivor doesn't make the same mistakes that a survivor at the average player's MMR will.and thus they typically do have to deliberately be tunneled save for the rare occassion they really do mess up so badly.

[@ryannem1216]

I love people who try to bodyblock/tank hits purposefully with BT and then they're being tunneled.

[@BryanKlean]

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been accused of not playing a comfortable play style for survivors bc the person who unhooks hides instantly

[@nizzel_]

I tried figuring out what SAWR is an acronym of before clicking on the video and came up with Scotts Autistic Weekly Ramblings.

[@ass640]

One of many reasons why I uninstalled the game about 4 months ago. Every game is exactly the same now, everyone plays exactly the same way. Personally I felt like from about 2018 to 2021, killers and even survivors were playing differently every other game, likely because there was no MMR and it was all unpredictable... the game lost that element in the last couple of years because of BHVR going in the eSports direction.

[@JakeobE]

If you're in baby MMR, you're likely to be tunneled every game.

[@unicode0059]

actually, the opposite and this proof that u r in "baby mmr" 😂😂 high mmr is 24/7 tunneling @@JakeobE

[@JakeobE]

@@unicode0059 Nope, higher MMR means you get better killers that use better slowdown perk combos, play stronger killers, are better players, and or those who are simply more confident in their ability to do well and don't care about sweating. They don't tunnel or proxy camp until 1 or 2 gens left, or at endgame, if they ever even get to endgame in the first place. Casual and high MMR killers are a thing too. Nice Xbox user name too lmfao

[@Katana314]

I’ll echo my common five-word DBD tutorial: “Run away from the killer.” While a heal is very nice to have, a player is generally safer positioned at the opposite side of the map from the killer as opposed to healed up but right in front of him. ANY distance you can make is valuable. It’s also a point against Ultimate Weapon because it’s a location perk that works on unhook victims, while several others do not.

[@friendly115]

and then the killer totally ignores the person that unhooked you and proceeds to search for you

[@ScottJund]

i mean theres no searching, if a tunneling killer wants to find you and you dont have OTR, they are going to find you. at that point its the unhooker who has to literally defend you for 10 seconds until you can get to another loop and start safely being chased again

[@friendly115]

@@ScottJund i do agree with your point, but what i mean is that there is no such thing as ''accidental tunel'' imo, it really doesnt matter if the unhooker starts making circles and becomes very clear to the killer or if he body blocks the unhooked survivor, i dont believe in a scenario where the killer is just zoned out wandering the map and somehow finds the unhooked survivor

[@ScottJund]

@@friendly115you dont believe in randomly running into survivors in DBD? that's like how the entire game starts lol

[@friendly115]

@@ScottJund i dont believe into randomly running into the recently unhooked survivor

[@keltonschleyer6367]

@@ScottJund ”Oh. Hello, tiny person. Time for you to die.” 😂

[@user-tn2ug3kw9e]

I think the post is less about killers that actually tunnel and more about calling out survivors that incorrectly use the word tunnel, which is a significant amount. If a survivor gets off of hook and the killer sees scratch marks and an injured survivor full sprinting across the map, chances are they're not gonna turn a blind eye to it and give a survivor a free heal. And that's not tunneling. A killer specifically finding the guy they just hooked and ignoring everyone but that player IS tunneling, but the coincidental downing of a player who's been on the hook recently and made themselves obvious is not tunneling, but it's often labeled as that. It's a similar deal with survivors who cry tunnel after using their post hook endurance to body block for the unhooker. If you're putting yourself in harms way intentionally without any effort to actually get away from the hook and the killer, you're not being tunneled, you're making bad decisions.

[@privatepenguin2496]

It's kinda why I bring second wind and a healing perk just to heal the survivor faster and if I cannot heal on time I will take a hit (or at least try to).

[@rileyp1506]

If someone tries to take a BT hit non EGC Im gonna tunnel you. you tried to save your teammate from getting hit and have my attention again. don't run at the killer and then call it tunneling

[@xIronwafflexx]

Idea on how to fix the coward unhook strategy: When unhooked, the unhooked survivor leaves not scratch marks, blood trails, has no grunts of pain, and cannot be seen by aura perks for 10-15 seconds after being unhooked, unless the survivor has been healed/is being healed after unhooking. The survivor that does the unhook action has their aura revealed for 10-15 seconds. Now killers can't say "I couldn't find anyone else" and shitters have to start learning how to loop or they are going to get shit on more, which is fine, bc dying more tanks their mmr, so they get put into lower skill tier lobbies where they belong. To address people just not going for saves, if someone is hooked and no one goes for the save and the person goes to 2nd stage or dies on hook without being camped, all survivors in the trial lose mmr, helping to keep shitters in their lower skill tier lobbies, and people who actually want to play the game and try, in higher skill tier lobbies with each other. Just getting people that play passively out of lobbies with people who actually know how to loop/do gens/etc would do a lot for balance in this game and the only way to do that, is have players that do nothing but hide all game and unhook and go back to hiding, lose mmr and be pushed out of higher skill tiers. Right now, you can just hide most of your games while doing gens and getting the occasional unhook, then escape and gain mmr. Should not be the case.

[@maikohfahuldust9231]

Off the record does help. But if the unhooker has babysistter. Then the survivor you unhook has no scratch marks and pools of blood. So they can't be tracked as such

[@The_FadedLine]

@Scott Jund - what’s your opinion on taking a down for someone being tunneled. Assuming they’re on death hook. And assume you have 0-1 hook state(s) yourself. Apologies if repetitive.

[@bmo7259]

I find it more often that the unhooker hides right after, As killer there are plenty of times where i couldn't find someone go back to an unhook and all i could find is the poor meg thats been left to fend for herself, so i get left with the options of try and find the unhooker with nothing to go off or tunnel the only peson i can find

[@LeQuack147]

Uninstalled DBD a week or two ago, but still fun to listen to Scott.

[@slavajuri]

Why did you decide to uninstall?

[@unicode0059]

prob taking the game too seriously 😂😂@@slavajuri

[@Silensi0]

I feel like 75% of the time "tunneling" is induced by poor unhook timing, which is totally on the unhooker. People often unhook either in killer's face immediately after the hooking, or wait long enough for the killer to patrol several gens, do a chase and come back to the hook (and then it's face unhook again). In both scenarios tunneling is just too good to pass up when you have an injured target in front of you. If you time the unhook right, you usually win yourself enough gen time for the tunneling to not matter much, depending on the killer.

[@Ganksy_]

People really unhook and heal under the hook immediately after being hooked, and now im a tunneler and slugger

[@mr.penguino8610]

What do you think of shared hook stages as an idea, this would legit completely remove the idea of tunneling , I think it's a rough idea but maybe potentially could work in a perfect world?

[@piralos1329]

Tbh I think this is, to a degree, something that the new Sable perk will help with? Whilst it won't stop your teammates being idiots and not protecting you post unhook, it will at least give you aura reading on the killer, helping you to path directly away from them!!!

[@cookiecreep9204]

Maybe if unhookers wouldn't hide for once, so I can actually chase them instead of the guy that leaves blood stains over my floor and runs at me as if he's invincible... Like half of those situations is literally just unhooker deciding to hide, or unhooked guy deciding to body block as if BT is meant to be a free pass rather than just a disincentive for killers.

[@manuserg1082]

Everyone always says "Just learn to loop against tunnelers and you won't go down!" Like a Death slinger can't just shoot you off hook, like a Blight can't catch up to you after 4 dashes, like a Nurse can't teleport through every loop to catch you, like the dredge can't use antiloop to force a hit on you, like the artist can't use her crows to outposition you. At this point in the game, it isn't about "Learning to loop", as they have more than enough killers to combat W key gaming and make mindgames 100% in their favor with no effort.

[@misteral9045]

I wonder how different this game would be if killers stole survivors spirits to put on an astral hook instead of physically putting them on a meat hook. As in survivors can still play while they're being sacrificed. Also if it was designed where either everyone escapes or no one does.

[@jeremymontel6010]

100% of the time I tunnel its someone farming their teammate and me stumbling upon said unhooked individual hiding in the corner.

[@dibanhiaguirre3]

Yeah no bro whenever I go to the unhooked notification I always see the person that just got unhooked and I dont want to tunnel but if I see no one else tf am I supposed to do?? Leave them be and move on?? It's the only survivor that I know where it is. So yeah people need to be wiser when unkooking someone else

[@IG33Z]

When I play killer I usually just take the free hit on the unhooked dude and go for the unhooker if visible, and depending on how good I'm doing I'll just leave for wherever I saw a guy last. I have lost close games due to my aversion to any form of "tunneling" but I do feel better about it atleast. As survivor, and especially in mid to low elo (I've just returned to the game), I get unhooked and I see the killer drop chase to run back for me. And if I'm the unhooker and he either takes the free hit and ignores or just completely ignores I'm not gonna get slugged for the guy to continue chasing him, I'll rather just go on gens.

[@Dabomb2394]

If the unhooked person try’s to block me from going after the unhooked, it is fair game and shouldn’t be accused of tunneling.

[@scarecrowscene443]

I agree unhooker is part of the problem. The number of times that I've been unhooked will the killer's terror radius is still present is insane

[@Tekkaras]

My opinion is that it isn't tunneling if you deliberately use your BT to body block for whoever unhooked you and the Killer decides that's a free opportunity to down you again.

[@plaguewatchesvideos7099]

Not everyone I've told agrees with this idea, but i haven't changed it, make survivors inflicted with an intangible effect when unhooked rather than endurance, while a survivor is intangible they only have collisions with THE MAP (No collisions with Other Players or The killers power), because a recently unhooked survivor is intangible killers can choose to simply walk through a recently unhooked survivor and have the option of chasing the unhooker without being bodyblocked by endurance.

[@NameIsDoc]

Honestly I think a Survivors need a little negative reinforcement. Like touching the killer directly (aka not when they are swinging a weapon) counts as an conspicuous action. SO if you want to go BT block you lose BT. Thus survivors will be encouraged to actually FLEE FROM THE KILLER

[@PanmasterAtArms]

@@NameIsDoc That would be arguably worse for tunneling. The killer can intentionally touch them to get rid of BT, and THEN hit them off hook.

[@NameIsDoc]

@@PanmasterAtArms Gee its almost as iff the unhooker should bodyblock. Edit Also when your unhooked with Basekit BT, You are FASTER then the killer and the Other person. Unless the killer is LITERALLY face camping there is zero way for the killer to touch the survivor off a hook unless that survivor RAN INTO THE KILLER.

[@kwolfnokami]

what if they highlighted unhookers aura red for a couple seconds so that person cant hide so the killer doesnt feel like they need to tunnel the person who got unhooked ??

[@cwvowel]

If a killer has shown that they like to return to hook them I generally unhook and start running a different direction from the hooked survivors. My thinking is to give another set of scratch marks to hopefully confuse the killer. It's not a great strategy though because them murders being trying to murder

[@yurei3714]

The answer to the guys post is a lot more complicated than he seems to think

[@porshoterxx]

2:37 is not that great advice. When that happens, it usually just ends up being a slug match, to the extent killers will often tunnel someone. It also means potentially stopping the game for survivors to protect the tunnelee and pick the unhooker back up (because there is no penalty for a killer to leave a survivor down unattended, and no base-kit way to prevent slugging), so in the end, the killer always wins. The best approach really is often to just let the person be tunneled, and use Breakout/Sabotage/Flashlights/Stuns, but it's still often unsuccessful.

[@Mike-lz7rg]

Tunneling is meta on the killers side so as long as the game is designed the way it is tunneling will continue to be common. In fact, i wouldnt be surpised is tunneling became a normal part of the game

[@JustRitschie]

i think it depends when the unhook will happen. Directly after the killer left -> its clear he returns. When the killer left and chase someone else -> Better idea :D