Why Patterns Are Better Than Licks - The Coltrane Approach

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SorenBallegaardMusic

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@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

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@Mike-rw2nh 7 ай бұрын

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@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. I am happy that it works and you like it. Any questions please ask:)

@AndreaL07 4 ай бұрын

A musical genius 👌🏽

@sorenballegaardmusic 4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. Coltrane is amazing 🤩

@pierrepineau5988 2 күн бұрын

Very useful information ! It looks like the FIFTH note of a third note sequence in Coltrane's phrase is the starting point of a triad or an arpeggio. This is a motif that can be played with every note of the scale (Bb major); for instance : A / F / G / Eb // F - A - C ( F ascending triad or rather F7 (Eb F A C) )/ Bb or // F- D - Bb (descending triad) / C. tThe 8th note added after the triad or arpeggio is intended to make the line more interesting changing direction unexpectedly.

@brian106699 7 ай бұрын

This! Well conceived and delivered. Subscribed.

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much and welcome onboard woot woot

@leglauderobert9401 7 ай бұрын

Great lesson, thanks a lot !

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it! And thank you for your support

@DouglasCambridge 7 ай бұрын

Thank you, this video is so inspiring !

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, love that you are commenting. Inspires me to do more

@streetleveltech 7 ай бұрын

Well done!

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much.

@dennissax 7 ай бұрын

I support your point! I always tell my students learn short patterns to create more lines. In my opinion, learning licks is more like learning the path of creating a jazz sentence. Good video btw!

@darthmorbous 7 ай бұрын

I have the same approach on licks. Note selection/path is already taken care of. Way easier to focus on form, motifs, rhythm, articulation and dynamics this way. I am a guitar player btw. Cheers!

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

It's just like words, the better you know them the better you can apply them into different sentences. Be flexible and everything succeeds

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, love your point.

@ZCBeats1 5 ай бұрын

"learning licks is more like learning the path of creating a jazz sentence" could you clarify for me what exactly you meant by this?

@dennissax 5 ай бұрын

@@ZCBeats1 Hi there! Well, I’ll try my best to explain cuz my English isn’t good enough lol. For me, while I learn a lick, first it’s feel like to imitate the musician’s playing, the articulations, dynamics, and the phrase. Then I’ll start to think about how he played this lick? What motives he used to create a lick. So that’s my meaning of the “path”. Hope this would help… Thanks for the response ;)

@planetmullins 7 ай бұрын

Great!

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much and thank you for commenting.

@vivito- 7 ай бұрын

Nice !

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

@normanspurgeon5324 7 ай бұрын

Very much appreciated - well delivered with graphics, etc. I'd didn't hear a lot of concern for "evoking" the chord, by hitting guide tones, at certain points. For an F7th, it seems its not critical to bring out the tritone, etc. Excellent dive into melody-

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

When you start moving cells around its very much about tension release, target notes and leading tones. Then I'm indeed not so concerned about the chords. Maybe more the function - like is it dominant or is it tonic.

@darkN1D45 7 ай бұрын

Holy moly that made sense. Now to put them into practice and make your brain work a little faster is another thing lol

@johnshaw8288 7 ай бұрын

Well I suspect this as a statement is arguable. For instance Charley Parker, used everything the trouble with using patterns all to often it sounds boring .

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Everything sounds boring if you use it too often, everything sounds boring if you use it too often, everything sounds boring if you use it too often....it's all about taste, creativity and playing music. Don't be a robot. :) Thank you so much for commenting.

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Add the hours, but also realized that this is not a race. It's only about learning music. Take one step at a time. If you practice 1 minute, you get 1 minute better

@samtotheg 4 ай бұрын

what do you mean by 3rd interval? is it the last note he ends on the next note starts a 3rd apart (and if so ,minor or major 3rd)

@masterchain3335 3 ай бұрын

He means that the notes are jumping by thirds, so like Bb G, Ab F, G Eb, F Db, Eb C, etc. Minor or major depends on which degree of the scale you are on, so Bb to G is obviously minor third, F to Db is major. Or you could not stay completely diatonic, as I believe he talks about at some point in the video.

@wschrad 7 ай бұрын

I saved the video before even watching it knowing it would be good and useful for later 😂

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

You're the best! Thank you so much.

@kwootamuckbear9294 3 ай бұрын

I couldn’t down load the pdf☮️🎶🎵🎷

@sorenballegaardmusic 3 ай бұрын

Did you subscribe to Patreon on tier 5? Then the download open. You can also subscribe for the free version, with limited access, but still access to some posts. Let me know if you encounter other problems

@SteuartHedington 7 ай бұрын

Fantastic, subscribed and thank you.

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, let me know if you have questions

@mambojazz1 7 ай бұрын

Those are all licks🤣🤣 I suppose the lesson is "how does Coltrane use patterns to make bebop sound fresh and original rarely ever playing something exactly the same way,"😁. Great video

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Yes, that's it, you are from now on on the title and Thumbnail team! Love it man

@mambojazz1 7 ай бұрын

@@sorenballegaardmusic 🤣🤣

@Scaar81 5 ай бұрын

certero

@sorenballegaardmusic 4 ай бұрын

Thank you

@bluwng 7 ай бұрын

What is an Enclosure?

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

great question - an enclosure is to or more tones surrounding a target note - leading towards the target note! Let me know if this answers your question

@brianthedog2004 7 ай бұрын

Licks is just a slang way of saying short melodic content, which is synonymous with melodic patterns. I'm guessing your titles are created to get more views and sound dramatic, but hopefully any young students watching understand that the licks/patterns you are comparing and contrasting are actually the same thing.

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

When you say that every musical line is a lick. I see a lick more like a longer musical line a player often repeats with no actual change, repeating exactly the same line in the same place with the same phrasing. That would be s lick to me. What Coltrane does is playing smaller lines and constantly changing them, mix them up and or moving them around. I think being able to do this is musical mastery instead of learning a bunch of licks to repeat them steadily the Sman place in the same music day out and day in. I do not know if this is more clear than the video. But I think there is a big difference

@brianthedog2004 7 ай бұрын

@@sorenballegaardmusic I didn't say every musical line is a lick. I think we're getting into semantics here, but I simply said a lick is another way of saying melodic pattern. A lick is transposable, rephrasable, and you can play all or parts of them--whatever your imagination comes up with--but you have to learn them first. My problem with you saying to "never play licks again" in your video description, is that transcription is an important part of learning the language, and many young students may see your suggestion as a reason not to transcribe and learn important jazz phrases, verbatim, in every key, (which is how every good player I've played with starts out) for fear they're not being as creative as Coltrane, which is silly. (BTW, Coltrane said himself he learned licks when he was starting out).

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

@@brianthedog2004 I see what you mean, and I agree with you. Licks is an important part of the musical language, and I show a way you can get out of the habit. I do hope the young players learn that they should filter information. Indeed you need to create attention with KZbin, make sensations. So one sentence or one TN can never describe a video fully. Love that you are critical. Thank you, makes me sharp and makes me think.

@abimael925 7 ай бұрын

YOU SPEACH SO MUCH, HERE BRAZIL, I DO NOT UNDERSTANDING NOTHING, MORE OR LESS

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

Sorry has to say something in the videos. Tip: add subtitles and slow down the video in KZbin. Download the lesson manual on Patreon to get everything transcribed

@joenickerson8443 7 ай бұрын

not exactly.. and short patterns ARE licks.. you are talking about the mature trane.. in his formative years he played tons of licks he learned from bird and every othe major sax player of his day.. his early solos make that obvious.. and enclosures are not patterns, they are melodic devices as are arps.. I appreciate your work but this needs mentioning.. 🙏🏻😎

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

All true, and not everything is revealed in the title or cover :) then books and films, stories, actually every media would be insanely boring. And I totally agree with you. Except the enclosures maybe, that we can take up for discussion. Making a video right now on how Brecker is using enclosures as patterns.... There is always an angle. Love your thorough comment and love the discussion. Always be critical. Thanks

@joenickerson8443 7 ай бұрын

@@sorenballegaardmusic you are one cool dude, soren.. such a great response to a somewhat critical comment.. most would trash us for being critical.. thank you.. by the way, trane has always been my hero.. 🎸😎

@sorenballegaardmusic 7 ай бұрын

You make me better, we need to be critical of what we consume digitally. You made me go through the video again, think about the title TN and content. This makes me better, making me more critical. Learning from you and if we cannot learn from each other then we are lost I think. Thank you again

@joenickerson8443 7 ай бұрын

@@sorenballegaardmusic beautifully said my new musical friend.. I can learn from you too even though I’m now an old fool.. but not too old for school.. 🎸😎

@joenickerson8443 7 ай бұрын

@@mambojazz1 right on!

@martyg374 6 ай бұрын

LICKS

@sorenballegaardmusic 6 ай бұрын

I assume you mean the spelling on the thumbnail?` because else its a bit weird! not a native speaker, so if you mean the spelling - thank you for the gentle and subtle correction :)