SBMM Is Useless - ULTIMATE DERANKING GUIDE

[@EvilSwordRus]

BTW you can also buy legendary hunter with 3 skills which you can sell for necro if you are lucky

[@tulipalll]

I'm partial to the idea of stopping mmr from being affected if you die within 10 seconds of being rezzed. I'm 3 star. My friend is 5 star. He downs a 6 star. He has me sit on the dead 6 star with a Shotgun in case of necro. He gets rezzed my his team multiple times and I bust him a new one each time. He is losing at least 1 maybe 2 stars from that. And I'm a 4 star after the match with no real work or skill required. None of that would be an issue if there was a 10 second delay after rezzing for mmr to be affected by a kill.

[@MagnitudeUK]

@@tulipalllThe difficulty with upranking (and downranking) isn't getting there, But staying there.

[@tulipalll]

@MagnitudeUK but wouldn't delaying mmr changes for 10 seconds after a rez be more fair? It wasn't the 6 stars' fault for dying to a 3 star like me when I was sitting on his body with a shotty, but it would have been his fault if he had been up for 10 whole seconds with time to heal and reload. He wouldn't have fallen so far from 6 stars with this adjustment.

[@Raikos100]

​@@tulipallltbh, necromancer is not the issue, it just made it less stressful. I already knew a bunch of 6* that have shitty kda bcs they already die on purpose in trios, or the patience ones that goes solo survivor. The issue is how much every kill or death increases or decreases your MMR. It should be illegal to be able to go from 3* to 6* in one day or vice versa. Ranking should be rewarding instead. You work hard for it, not "Oh I got lucky this match with my big bundle and killed 4 ppl and extracted with bounty and.. oh look at that I got a MMR star from that" just to get completely obliterated next 4 games by the higher MMR till you go back one star.

[@tulipalll]

@@Raikos100 agreed with that. Wholeheartedly.

[@phantommlord]

Make camping hunters who haven’t moved in a few minutes sneeze uncontrollably.

[@URYADOF]

Or fart. That woud be much better.

[@Shiny49GER]

Or let the camping hunters "become sleepy" because nothing happens: They would start yawning and getting a blurry screen and/or effects that simulate dozing off.

[@BucketKingu]

The only issue I have is the 15-20 minute limit, honestly. I exclusively play solo, even aggressive solo at that, but I still have matches that take 30+ minutes due to a variety of things. Boss took longer to find than usual, whole lobby is particularly slow playing players, sniper duels that take eternity, trap clearing, trying to avoid sound traps, etc.

[@aweskome4894]

15-20 minutes doesn’t make sense. You can’t incorporate different play styles if you force everyone to rush. A bonus for leaving within 15-20 makes more sense

[@maxadri1698]

@@aweskome4894 but not just a bonus, a Huge bonus that would make a lot of players actually interact.

[@thepatrickcrab]

he was talking about a bonus. Not limiting games to 15-20 mins, but reducing the ranked points you get from those longer games. Idk if that is the best way to go, but he didn't say make the timer 15 mins

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@aweskome4894 They could add a gamemode wherein you just play pvp with any chosen hunter you leveled up in the main game, but this gamemode doesn't give rewards aside from maybe some gamemode-related trinket cosmetics, maybe, but also doesn't make you lose your hunter if you die, it's literally just a pvp-mode you can join and play the game for however long you want, and just leave whenever it suits you without waiting, without time-limit, without pressure, like an open-world death match with no timer... And instead of reviving, you just respawn where you spawned into the lobby. Would certainly appeal to the "log on and click some heads for a few minutes" crowd.

[@noobboon2579]

Min 7:46 This guy said in german "bleib jetzt doch mal liegen", which basically translates into english as "just stay down already"

[@RedRage013]

The guy at 7:46 told you to 'stay down now' in German

[@logictom7254]

Thank you for explaining how to derank because I do not have 10 braincells, especially working ones. Great vid!

[@--___--d]

I tired to follow this guide but now I have 6 stars :( reported video

[@athaeneus]

MMR should incorporate a change speed coefficient dependent on your KDA. The higher your KDA is, the more MMR you should gain per kill and otherwise for lower KDA... Meeting someone of your skill level should theoreticaly mean that you have 50 % chance of losing the fight. And this should be reflected by MMR. Matching people with similar skill levels.

[@unbekanntername2023]

Thank you so f'ing much for the first 2 mins explaining the problem. In the official Discord the mods told me so few people abuse Quickplay to derank so they are not splittling BH and QP MMR even if it would be so easy to do and nobody would be in a disadvantage. As you stated for most KD Farmers/derankers its better to do it that way so their precious BH KDA does not drop. I personally would display both KDAs in every Playmode to expose that.

[@merlotwilliams]

I like your idea to address the uselessness of SBMM and I'd like to see a full video on that. Also, it's nice to see a skilled player say that there's an actual objective to the game and the main focus is not killing other players. Great video Annoyed!

[@merlotwilliams]

@@OBardoDarkandDarker But it literally isn't. You don't win the game by killing other players. You win the game by extracting with the bounty token(s). If you want to play a game where PvP is the main focus or you want to wipe an entire map of other players, there is a litany of other games you can play that have been around for years. And I'd play Hunt a hell of a lot more if there was a PvE mode so I wouldn't have to deal with twitchy, stutter stepping try-hards.

[@AWeakPrinny]

@merlotwilliams that's not true. "Winning" is defined by each individual player's perspective and their goals. Just because you get pixel money by extracting with a Bounty doesn't mean that's the "win condition" of the game... if that were the case, then there would be some detriment to loading into a match, killing the whole lobby, and not bothering with even touching the Bounty - but there isn't. I can still extract without the Bounty. Hell, I can extract without interacting with a single other player in the lobby as well. That means each person can define how they want to play and what they consider to be a "win". Personally, if I do nothing but the pve in Hunt, I find it is extremely boring and unrewarding when I play. However, if I'm constantly getting into and winning pvp fights, I feel much more accomplished and get more excitement out of playing. To me, winning is wiping as many people in the lobby as possible. If I die, I die, but if I took 9 people with me, I consider that to be a good game and a solid win. I would rather wipe an entire lobby and trade with the last person than only do the pve portion of the game. The Bounty exists solely as a means by which the devs created a gameplay loop. Start match > gather clues > reach Bounty > kill Bounty > banish > pick up Bounty > (attempt to) extract > repeat process. The entire time all of this gameplay loop is happening, there is the potential for pvp to happen, and in fact, the only way to guarantee that you get the Bounty and extract with it 100% of the time is to actually kill ALL of the other players in the lobby.

[@merlotwilliams]

@@AWeakPrinny Well written and I understand your perspective. You can extract without bounty but I would counter that the game mode is called "Bounty Hunt". The object of the game is to extract with the bounty. When all bounties are gone from the map, you have 5 minutes to extract as the objective has been claimed and there is no longer a reason for the lobby to exist. As much as people seem to enjoy the PvP aspect of the game, that is not the object of the game. Other players are obstacles to the objective, not the primary objective.

[@AWeakPrinny]

@merlotwilliams an objective is not a win condition. Be proper with your terminology. If you're talking about the primary gameplay loop, then don't be disingenuous about how you're wording what you say. Believe it or not, there are intelligent people in the world who will correct you. It is listed as a pvpve game for a reason, and pvp is just as valid of a reason to have a personally defined win condition as making pixel money is by getting more of it by extracting with a Bounty. It is called "Bounty Hunt" because that is a plausible name for the gameplay loop the devs generated, not because that's the "win condition" of the game mode. It is an OBJECTIVE. You do not LOSE if you don't get the Bounty - if that were the case, no Hunter without a Bounty would survive or be able to extract.

[@merlotwilliams]

@@AWeakPrinny I apologize Professor Nuclear, I did not realize that I was in the Hallowed Halls of Academia when I was on KZbin discussing Cowboy Zombie Shooter Game. You've increased my knowledge by imparting the wisdom that the objective of the game doesn't matter and you always win if you have a personalized win condition unique to you. I'll make sure to have my peer reviewed thesis paper turned in by Monday and greatly appreciate the increase in intelligence from this interaction. 😊

[@WuLinfeng-gb6uv]

Derank is the only way to play this game for fun, or you will be killed by 5 star hunters camping for a whole day.

[@epluribusunum5318]

Honestly, SBMM is the worst thing Crytek has done, and it seems that they've convinced themselves that it was a good thing to add so it will never matter how much people complain about it. They'll leave it in. What makes me think that is the removal of both the none SBMM mode and the ability to see what your teams MMR is. It took me a bit to realize why people would leave my group when I queued for duos and trio, it was because they took one look at what the match MMR was and noped out. And once Crytek removed that feature I noticed people stopped leaving regardless of what "rank" I was. If they kept those in, people would always queue for non-SBMM and not play with people with a higher rank then them, which would lead to empty lobbies and servers and they just can't have that, so obviously the right choice is to hide team MMR and remove the ability to forego SBMM entirely.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

I played exclusively with SBMM turned off, it didn't exactly "turn it off" tho. If the game found people with SBMM off, it would throw you in that lobby, but if it didn't find that many people, then it used to throw you into your regular SBMM on games and it showed, there was a clear difference between how people played on both queues. Also, you're more likely to play against someone better than you with SBMM off. Even now, 5-6 stars are very unimpressive players who just farm a few kills and wouldn't push a compound even if they had a gun to their head. They're not better at the game, they just value their time much less.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@TheAnnoyedOne Lmao, so the matchmaking doesn't separate players based on skill, but based on playstyle? That's stupid, lmao! xD

[@VIEBlitz]

I feel like Hunt is split into two groups: People who enjoy a faster PvP focused experience and people who enjoy a slower PvPvE experience. I see people constantly referring to the slower players as campers, rats, or whatever derogatory term they can throw at people who don't play the way they want. There are surely a lot of people who enjoy Hunt specifically because it offers a much more nuanced and detailed world to play in than a pure PvP shooter like (for a random example) Apex Legends. I think a lot of people are more likely to take it slow in Hunt because it is designed around noise mechanics and stealth. Maybe the answer isn't just as simple as having the option to play without SBMM, maybe we need two entirely different modes. One PvP focused mode with a shorter match time and some modifications to the gameplay loop to facilitate better PvP interactions, and one mode just like it is now or maybe even heavier PvE focus than the normal game currently is. Then the people who hate bush campers and crouch walkers won't be running into them so often and people who prefer to play it slow won't have to play against so many cracked insta-headshot gamers. The two types of player don't mingle well with each other so putting them in separate matches could be a solution. Personally I'm somewhere in the middle of the two groups, whether I play fast or slow depends on my mood that day. My aim isn't all that fast or accurate so I can't keep up with 5 star lobbies but I do well enough in fights that I can't regularly stay in 4 star lobbies. I have a lot less fun when I become 5 star and everyone suddenly starts killing me with a headshot the moment I show half my character model around a corner. So the SBMM system is definitely not working for me either and I agree that Crytek needs to take another pass at balancing their playerbase out somehow.

[@ralphmalph5191]

I quit Hunt after the summer event because there were way too many matches where 4* teams with low KD and experience were pitted against 5.5-6* teams with 2.5+ KD and thousands of hours. Losing expensive loadouts and high level hunters to a trio of 6* trash talkers happened way too often and made the game an unenjoyable grind. Seriously, does it matter if the lobby is full if you're not surviving match anyway? No, it doesn't. Fix your s***, Crytek.

[@sky10456]

You get money for finding clues, you get money for killing AI, you get money extracting with the bounty, you get more money the faster you extract with the bounty, you only get.... XP for killing other players, the game does not reward you for fighting and you get "punished" for getting killed once and are forced to unintentionally smurf in lower SBMM games. My friends get upset because they lost braging rights for their stars getting lowered, I get upset because I am put up against bambi and he gets punished because one 3 star got the killing blow on me in my previous game and now I am forced to smurf because that is pretty much legal smurfing.

[@troypayne6701]

I'm with you on this one. The moment Crytek started messing with sbmm my games turned to shit and I have quickly started hating this game. I can't play with most of my friends because it puts us into the high end mmr range just from having me in the party. Those games are rough. You have to play competitive just to survive because everyone at that mmr level is a experienced player. I play with my duo bud that has sank more hours into this game than I have and we can't get a casual game to save our freaking lives. I play solo though and I get put into 3 star mmr. makes no fucking sense. Does Crytek actually think I'm on equal footing with a lobby of 3 and 4 stars because I'm a 5 star?

[@Chubzic.]

Well, with the way the MMR system works, even the 2.5 MMR match won't protect you from a german Cain bush rat with prestige 100 and 4k+ hours in the game who will trash talk you in voice chat while you are burning. So the game became miserable at any MMR, and that's disappointing.

[@BrobjeV]

Fun fact - no one enjoys SBMM, DBD community also suffered because of shitty sbmm

[@mistymoonstone7090]

Questions for the Q&A, what’s your opinion on the state of hunt overall, and if you ended up not enjoying hunt anymore, what would you play next? Either for content or just your own personal enjoyment.

[@noobboon2579]

Teams should spawn at minimum 250-300 meters away from each other. For trios, i would suggest to add 1 more team to the map. So instead of 4 3-man-teams, we would have 5. Its sometimes frustrating to wander across half the map and to then die to the first team you encounter, sitting in bushes. With +1 team, there'd be a bit more action early on.

[@bigfatpenguin1682]

​@@noobboon25791. Of all why did u write this under a comment 2. Bs why should you slow the whole game cause everyone spawns further away from each other. Spawn fights are fun 3. The game is designed to have 12 people in a lobby. But it would be more Action and fun true. But it would destroy solo vs trio. And also then you really need to forgrt the 250 meters apart from each other

[@josemarques9115]

The method I use a lot with my friends: respec your bars like in your video, queue a few games, some teams will use some type of concertina shit, let them spam that. We usually try to just 3rd party the last teams, to make sure we get the bounty and server wipe. After we make sure the server's empty, we use concertina/traps that they left to infinitely kill our selfs and res with the bounty. This our go-to derank strat, we already did this counteless times and, depending of how many concertina/traps are in the server, you can derank from 1 to 3 stars per game. There was 2 times that I can remember, I deranked from low-6* to 3* in a single game. Of course it also depends how much MMR you lose based on the MMR of server's players. This strat doesn't work that well in low start lobbys. Players at this lobbys dont use that many traps/concertina, so we don't use this method below 4* lobbys Edit: Pro Deranker Tip: turn off master volume when it's just you and your friends in the server or else headache incomming🤣

[@blackfacegaming191]

Not just useless, but makes the game less fun. I remember the good old days of CALL OF DUTY 4 where you’d go 35-4 some games and 4-20 another SBMM makes gaming no fun

[@lockofmetal8894]

Can't compare CoD to Hunt, Tarkov is a bit closer. Theres 0 punishments for dying in CoD & you can always play whatever you want. Die everytime & no extract = no money for loadouts.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Tarkov doesn't have SBMM either

[@blackfacegaming191]

@@TheAnnoyedOne bingo

[@TheMeowse]

What KD farmers don't realize is that deranking in Bounty Hunt actually increases your KD faster. You're not rolling dice with the rank of your killer like in QP and dying 5-6 times in one minute to a player of (almost always) guaranteed lower rank tanks your elo faster than looking for a new player to die to in QP a single time, and the way elo is calculated, you require 2-3 kills on lower players per death to stay at the same elo. Your MMR goes down so you have easy enemies, your KD goes up so you can stroke your ego over a number in a videogame. Profit on all sides except your parents'.

[@hurrsia]

MMR just needs to be more difficult to drop and go up in. Or be a wider range, so that the difference between 4 and 5 is much greater.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

I feel like it would only make people camp even more because it takes them longer to get back to higher MMR

[@jumonskieflumonskie6266]

Imagine worrying about your mmr, I derank to 3 stars and go back to 5 stars in the same day. Just have fun and you'll probably become a better player when you aren't worried about dying.

[@hurrsia]

@@TheAnnoyedOneAnd I think thats the issue no matter what with the ranking in this game. People are going to do whatever it takes to just be a camper, so no matter what they implement, there will always be people willing to abuse it for an easier game because they suck.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

The game became much more camper-filled since they forced SBMM on everyone tho, so imagine what making it harder to go up and down stars would do. Adding ranked would make sure that all of the KDA farmers stay on ranked, and casual players playing for fun, can actually have fun in queues not ruined by SBMM KD/star farmers

[@NoobtuberFan]

@@TheAnnoyedOneno, kda farmers wouldnt play ranked.

[@younggoose69]

i dont think i'll need this video, im quiet good at deranking myself while just playing the game.

[@DylanKreutzer]

15:00 This altar shows up red because you are next to the extraction and someone already extracted there so the game thinks there is still someone nearby. Instinct will also go off if you are near extraction and someone has already extracted there.

[@noobboon2579]

This bug should have been fixed

[@Zarosu123]

And this is why the game has a problem with getting new players to stick around for more than 3-4hours. They hop into their first game and get absolutely ass blasted by some 5* sad HUUGE sweatlord making content for youtube, whilist getting t-bagged and mocked over voice comms. Why do I care? Less players, less money, less content. But I gotta admit, playing around 3-4star myself, queuing into trios feels like cheating and there shouldn't really be a mmr buff for outnumbered players, same logic going other way around - Solo having self rezz AND stealth is enough of an advantage tbh and most of the time fight begins with solo being able to kill one from a trio, making the fight 1v2.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Don't forget that the solo is already put in a more advantageous position because they get matched with lower MMR players instead of people on their skill level

[@robinaart72]

I like your ideas - perhaps not the time limit one (as a solo) though. I'd like to see non-mmr lobbies for sure, but also, a 'risk / reward' lobby - so - as say a 3 star you can 'risk' playing against 5 or 6 stars - the reward being, you earn more money/xp than regular lobbies.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Time limit is ofc up for discussion, but you definitely don't need the full 45 you're given. The idea of the high risk high reward lobby is interesting, reminds me of Dark and Darker's high roller dungeons

[@skat4388]

Honest to god didnt know the solo thing but Jesus it all makes sence now

[@itszaque5031]

I REALLY don’t want ranked in Hunt, the casual nature is what I enjoy most about the game. Yes Sbmm can make high level lobbies bad but man it makes time spent in 3-4 star lobbies so fun. Everyone is chill, people are having fun and I never have issues getting into fights. That being said if they were to rework the sbmm mode then I would be down to see changes added in that cared about bounties extracted or time spent in match, those are both solid ideas.

[@chrisstandingbear1947]

I'm going back to my bush.

[@Commodus650]

"If you go into the match unnumbered, the game tries to hold your hand..." Must be nice, me (1.6kd 5-star) and my buddy (1.25kd 4-star) have literally been matched against a trio of 6-stars. SBMM is imaginary.

[@alexanderhaglund90]

That happens sometimes when there's not enough players searching for a game

[@Commodus650]

But Crytek is bragging every patch that they've got the most concurrent players ever. You'd think it'd get better not worse. Can only speak for myself but I'd rather wait 2-3 minutes for a fair match rather than instantly get into a horribly balanced lobby which is the current standard.@@alexanderhaglund90

[@JP-rz2pp]

You don’t need anything complicated, it would be so easy for Crytek to make the game more fair and enjoyable, just remove sbmm and make matches around kd, no more high level players against new players and kd farmers would have no incentive to play because they would only be matched with high kd players.

[@VDViktor]

Sbmm has ruined every game it was introduced to so far, yet out oftouch devs keep doing it. Sad reality of gaming.

[@takubear88]

I definitely enjoyed the game more when I was able to just turn it off. I don't even know why they NOW that the game is more popular than ever completely disabled the choice, because just like before even during primetime you can get an empty game sometimes. So if it was purely to prevent empty games, it's not even doing that.

[@mackenzieobrien7579]

I think statistically part of the problem is that there's such a narrow part of the curve when you get to the extreme highs and lows of the spectrum. I think at the end of the day this is a result of statistics but it does lead do a sort of 3-star basement. Players pool at certain points in the curve so it's not exactly easy to encounter someone ultra good or ultra bad but I imagine there's more ultra good players because people are going to keep playing a game if they're good at it. The biggest thing I noticed is the difference in playstyles between people who are at 3 stars or 5 and 6. The lower mmr is more fun and chaotic because people often panic and don't know what they're doing. It also leads to more in-game interaction and cooperative behavior than the sweaty higher tiers. Maybe the solution is to have a base 10 system instead of a base 6 system.

[@Raikos100]

LoL just added more ranks bcs of that exact issue. Just make the ceiling higher, and don't let ppl rank or de-rank so fast in just 2-3 games where you died a lot and got res, or you wiped the lobby and got 10 kills alone. One day I had a blast and a lot of fun with engaging fights and the next day I was against 5/6* and was the worst games in my life where I died immediately in spawn fights or the moment I found a team camping from a 150m wallbang headshot derendering spitzer.

[@MrRom117]

they just need to add another 7 star, split 5 into 5 and 6 and change it to be only k/d and total kill/death based ranking.

[@Yaroslav_19]

I see no problem in campers with long scope. I see a problem in disabled people who sitting in compounds with the cntrl button, fully pressed untill finger bleeds. Devs should add breathing sounds + sounds of flies arround you if you are not moving. Sounds of mooving camera arround should be also added (your boots scratching the floor when rotating) Game rewards you for doing ZERO now

9:14 typical Headsman ;D

[@sallymae3631]

This guys solution actually sounds like it would work.

[@FRTassassin]

Unpopular opinion: I actually love that sbmm doesn't work... I love that i get matched with people way better than me who dunk on me in ways I've never seen before. Makes the harsh and unforgiving setting hunt aims for stand out even more. I dont really want sbmm

[@Raikos100]

And sadly, I'm just seeing lobbies full of fresh accounts that have like 20 games in only, but they are 3.0 kda and ridiculously cracked bcs they are 6* smurfs. It's also very often I see those. That's how sad high mmr is, they rather smurf or de-rank instead of playing with 6* kda bush campers.

[@jumonskieflumonskie6266]

I derank because my teamates dont have any fun whats so ever when everyone is better then them, and I dont have fun when my teamates arent having fun...

[@rumsbums3113]

oh lord... not sure if we needed this Video

[@gregorh.3919]

That's actually so true. The amount of time given is 45 Minutes. Only campers and bushmen actually need that amount of time. 20 minutes are the longest matches, in most cases. 6 Stars is just no fun. 4-5 stars is where the real fun lies within this game. 6 stars are so many sweatlords. I tried to get down to 1 star once, started playing serious at 2 stars and 3 games later after serv clear I was at 5 Stars again. That 1-6 Star System is complete trash. It's no ranking system.

[@MakeMaksa]

90% six star lobbys are full of cheaters, not sweatlords. They use 3rd party software on their games (ESP, WH, Soft aim or anything else shit softwares) Have you ever visit their profiles? 4/10 games there is VAC or regular ban recorded on their profiles already. There is no way you reach over 2 or 3 kda on 1000 hours without cheating in this game on your main account. Never understand where you even need multiple accounts, it is very suspicious. Played over 6k hours on MP titles and mostly of cases I recocnize who is legit and who not. Popular streamers offers cheap discount codes in this game what make very easy to start buy multiple copies on game and continue cheating and messing with honest players. Very sad, good game is a fucking cheating fest when the "skill issue" sayers coming to whine when you blame them cheaters 😂😂😂

[@sharker100]

I can imagine a ranked queue for hunt showdown. It would create clearer metas maybe, like having 2 fraggers and a boss killer in each squad or similar comp based strategies. It sounds kinda fun honestly. As in every game, of course, the higher ranks would be frustrating to most people so maybe thats why they don't want to implement it.

[@stankobarabata2406]

Implying that bosses are somehow difficult to kill and a regular "fragger" as you call them can't just pick up a melee weapon and smack the boss themselves. No, you don't need defined roles in Hunt. Let players define their roles. If someone wants to be a slayer, so be it, but don't force it on them.

[@doughboy924]

⁠@@stankobarabata2406it’s not really forcing, that’s just how metas work. League, overwatch and other even games like cod or cs at competitive play have these roles. That and to your first point, it might be more effective to have one person with a load out dedicated to killing the boss while the other 2 are better geared for pvp. I certainly thought that sounded like a good idea for competitive play

[@stankobarabata2406]

@@doughboy924 yes, and this game does not need a class meta in addition to the already existing gun metas. gun choice pretty much already defines your role. you aint breachin buildings with a sniper, are ya now? and you aint fighting long ranged guns on a field as a shotgunner. that is a role. and as i said, any joe schmo can just pick a bomblance and become the dedicated slayer. ive done it myself. my teammates compensate my monster slaying with heavy pvp loadouts. but at one point we realised most bosses can be killed easily with the quite commonly found melee weapons in the compunds. you dont NEED a slayer loadout to effectively kill bosses. efficiently too. thats just the reality. bosses are easy. theyre not meant to be difficult.

[@Raikos100]

​@@doughboy924Sadly, forced roles sucks BCS the moment you are forced to play support instead of your main ADC/Jungle you throw the game, rage quit, int, feed and curse on everyone. No. Being the support is not fun unless you really want to be one. In hunt you can be the AI killer and make your teammates life super easy while lacking in pvp but your team has the advantage of not being caught with their pants down.

[@sharker100]

@stankobarabata2406 @Raikos100 Forcing you to pick roles would be a terrible idea all around. I was only saying that a meta such as this could occur naturally as a result of the bounties being the main priority in a ranked game mode instead of wiping the entire map of hunters. It's not about defined roles, more like a team comp that increases the chances of your team winning.

[@noobboon2579]

To address campers, i have an idea: Similar to afkers in dead by daylight when you are not moving at all or too little, then crows appear, circling over you, alerting the killer to your position. If we adapted this idea for hunt, it could be made that you have to move X meters/cover a certain distance in a given timeframe (think 10 meters within 1.30 minutes; numbers serve as examples) before crows or even vultures (new wildlife) appear, who mistake non-moving players as corpses (somewhat fitting for the atmosphere/world), making unique sounds as they approach and circle them. Once the hunter moves said distance, the circling crows/vultures leave again, making the regular sound of triggering a flock of crows. Another alternative is to spawn 2-3 grunts closeby when X distance was failed to be covered in X minutes, with a chance of a special AI, like a hive or armored.

[@SteffArrowPlay2DeadbyDaylight]

What if we just change it from need to move to actually a need to action. If you don't take any AI, don't loot stuff or not taking/dealing damage for too long the game will force AI on you making you take that needed action and actually a bit reveal yourself.

[@maegnificant]

3 to 5 are the smallest points differences. It's based on a bell curve of skill. It makes total sense.

[@bendre90]

Thats why i stopped playing. Its just not fun to work all day and get destroyed the one hour gaming time in the evening by 5-stars.

[@Just_Alberto]

Cowboy deranking

[@in1tiate]

I only play solo and I'm basically hardstuck at 3 star because you lose so much MMR for dying and solo is basically unplayable without self rez so I end up dying multiple times per match. This wasn't an issue when I could disable SBMM but now I can't

[@drakegunter9081]

Love these videos. I always have more fun in lower mmr lobbies

[@michaellongley1697]

yea getting myself killed is so hard

[@Odd_Bin]

It is really weird how they refuse to add a ranked mode to this game. Considering how sweaty some players are. They can say how the player base is too small to divide but maybe we should try it? Plz crytek.

[@MaxWriter]

I like this. Interesting stuff.

[@peashote2]

Hello Hunt Jesus

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Hello Peashote2

[@softblanket]

2:26 Oh no 💀💀💀 im so sorry

[@jeremiasz8839]

I'm 3 star after deranking because i want to play with my friend who just bought the game on quite chill level. But first time we got in a match(his first game) we've got a 100 prestige player xd

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

And people say that SBMM is there to protect the new players xdddd

[@stokedd]

You guys clearly don't know how mmr works in the game lol. Being p100 is not equal to being a good player lol.

[@Lothrean]

As a gamedesigner I have to say: None of your solutions work and even would make the situation way worse. The MMR in solo vs trios is not lower compared to solo vs duo. At least it wasn’t last time I checked.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

How is it worse? It is lower 1v3 vs 1v2. It also used to show it better when Match MMR was always visible in the lobby a few updates back.

[@Lothrean]

@@TheAnnoyedOne Splitting into 2 lobbies just makes for longer queue. Yes the game is about the objectives but if a mmr system would use bounty as a reference, players could find themselves in even more unfun lobbies. Same with the time. In the end of the day, the mmr could consider hidden factors, like: global loadout winrate, time played recently, hunter traits and more. But that wouldn’t change much. Yes the system is flawed, but as long as players do not exploit it all day it is fine for beginners. And beginners are the reason it exists.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

You don't even need to intentionally exploit it to actively derank tho, all it takes is one game where your teammates necro you too many times and you're a full star down, stomping the next 2 lobbies you go into. Adding ranked would bring a lot of players so "longer queue" wouldn't really be an issue. The most popular games all have ranked modes, just that is enough to keep a large amount of players entertained.

[@Chubzic.]

@@Lothrean In the current state, it does not require to be exploited to abuse low MMR lobbies. Just die twice on the trap or due to a camper who is sitting for eternity aiming at you - and you are 3 star with match MMR 2.5. I had a session where I deranked this way, and had to make 2 server wipes to get back on match MMR 3. During this session, I wiped at least 2 teams that had their very first game. The fact that this can happen doesn't mean that the system is flawed, it means that it is not working and not good for beginners. Other time, I had a lobbie with guys who are clearly playing their first games, me with 1k hours and a friendly guy with 3k hours in the game. This. Is. Not. Normal.

[@Lothrean]

@@TheAnnoyedOne a ranked mode wouldn’t work in hunt because players start a match with limited options (gear, hunters) based previous games and the account progression. I do get you reasoning why the current system is flawed, but on the other hand it is very fluid. Other more strict systems do not allow for player experience. This is because low ranked players do not get punished for mistakes by other low ranking players. In that regard it is sometimes beneficial that players derank so easy in hunt. Overall, i think in hunt it is not that bad. But as a gamedesigner i surely see many ways of possible improvement.

[@jordanbond328]

the sbmm really sucks when i go to take a long break from hunt, get put into lobbies based on back when i was playing, and get bodied because im rusty and troglodyte brained coming back. :( (also scares friends off with my higher mmr)

[@na976]

I usually play as a high 4 or low 5 MMR and I have lost count of all the players with 2.5+ KDA in my matches. Deranking is the way. Scummy but necessary

[@lubobaroto]

During the event a lot of people when die just quit the game. So maybe they do not left him.

[@turtlecheese8]

Broke: Gitgud guide. Woke: Gitbad guide.

[@drm3819]

Just because of this possibility to derank and make games more relaxed and meme im still playing. If it was sweatfest 24/7 like COD i would quit

[@HeyKyle]

Necro definitely needs to be adjusted in regards to how it drops your MMR. It’s dumb as hell.

[@gergelyzara815]

I do not want to be a bitch, but if you want to abuse a system - you can - it is not the fault of the system itself. The ELO system has been an effective method for ranking for a long time. If you give MMR for extracting bounty, KD farmers would be stomping 1-2 stars all day, coz they never extract bounty. You also play in trios, so you know how much you are farmed and killed when your teammates necro you into the enemy - how is that not a problem compared to solo necro? I think solo necro balances that statistics out; trios' members used to die much more in matches.

[@Shenzi504]

my idea exctly with the mmr ranked system

[@Chubzic.]

When self-res was added in the way it is right now, I figured out that it is too forgiving and too easy to abuse in the current state. You either need to be able to res yourself once, as a second chance so to say (but if you die again - you go to the lobby). So the solo-necros won't harras other solos or teams that can't just get rid of this annoying solo (me). Or, you need to have a limited time to res yourself. You can res yourself after 5 seconds and within the next minute, per say. So you will either let go other hunters, or (if you hear them on your body because these are the germans who will sit for 15 minutes on your body and will let go the bounty just to make sure you are not getting up please commit sui[REDACTED] ) you will understand that the chance is not on your side and will go to the lobby. As for MMR... yeah, plz fix fast™. At least your headshot-to-kills ratio should matter a lot. As well as main ingame goal of killing the boss (maybe, make these bosses harder to kill, so it is in fact challenging and not boring? add different stages for different amount of HP?).

[@borschsalopower]

how can you seeeeeeee how can you seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@Chubzic.]

@@borschsalopower I CAAAAN'T!!!111

[@Chubzic.]

@@borschsalopower HOW DO I START IT???

[@Chubzic.]

@@borschsalopower 'YA LIKE JAZZ????

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

dude im a guy who before the necro change was a 4 to 5 star and rarely but if i tried, a 6 star and partially cause i have lost the same drive to sweat at least but also just cause i have been using necro solo cause its more reliable and consistant than trusting randos who 9 times outta 10 only make things FAR worse for you, i have been hard stuck in 3 star cause dying at all let alone to someone who could be like a 2 or 1 star on a team with a 5 to 6 star for example DRASTICALLY drops your mmr even if it was a one of he got lucky before he and his friend got dumpstered.

[@R_o_o_k_i_n_g_t_o_n]

honestly i think if they just make it so any death you have while you have necromancer that isnt your final death just shouldnt effect your mmr at all UNLESS your perma die with than each death could play a SMALL hit but not that big a hit with perhaps 25 hp of health missing equals 1/4th a kill or something so that way its not easy to intentionally de rank but if you do get dumpstered so hard that you perma die with necro than yea you still take some amount of a mmr hit

[@russellcontreras394]

Mmr would be fixed if crytek would just add more stars. The disparity between 4, 5, and 6 stars is fucking miserable

[@PlisskensRun]

You can also lower your MMR playing Qp and dyeing.. I do wish they would fix that I like to play QP just to mess around and do dumb shit but with it lowering your MMR I dont do that anymore.

[@vinhthinhnguyen1087]

with a game that's almost dead having a rank system to queue up with the same rank point to have a fair match is absolutely stupid LOL

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Almost dead? Having 20k+ concurrent players daily with a over 40k peak is far from dead

[@vinhthinhnguyen1087]

@@TheAnnoyedOne empty lobbies on my asia sever here. Before wild boss update from 11 am to 12 pm found matches quickly and usually have more than 10 players every day, but now match making wait longer, lobbies usually only have 6 players in total but not just in 1 or 2 days, it has been like that since the update. I don't care about numbers you gave me, i care about how I found this game has less players from time to time

[@alcoholenthusiast]

It's also very easy to farm MMR and no, you don't need to be a bushwookie sniper to do it.

[@troll5262]

If you are solo your MMR should only count once if you die but raise each time you kill. Right now I keep dropping MMR unless I get a KD of over 2 in a match. It's so silly.

[@Scribbles69]

Solo in trios is the only time I have fun in this game anymore exclusively cuz of the mmr 3 stars are just more fun than 6 stars

[@vought19]

I dont know why you need a guide for deranking. Im like a natural champion in this just by sucking at the game.

[@donut220]

Please make that video about how you would implement ranked changes :)

[@heyiamnick4144]

Just recently switched to PC and omg I’m once again a noob at this game, the good news is I can potentially get memed on by Annoyed and his gang 🎉

[@MrSlaughterrific]

SBMM has ruined more games than it has helped. This isnt the fucking starcraft 2 ladder, boys. Devs never want us to have fun anymore they just want every game to be a sweat fest. Don't get me wrong I've gotten heavily into competitive games, but having the option to experiment freely is more fun for more people. I find myself preferring to be 3 star where I can mess around more and prestige instead of trying as hard as I can for ultimately nothing in 5 star. I'm not sure what metrics are driving this. The people who want everything to have SBMM are simply wrong and if I could have any impact on the game industry it would be to have a full random que as a standard. Probability will handle everything better than these awful algorithms

[@Pulwma]

to make a derank guid is making the problem bigger. even if its not a "real" rankinsystem, its still shit if good players derank to 3 star lobbys to farm easyer money and destroy the game for beginners and not-pro-players

[@toxicparamite]

Matches don’t need to be 45 minutes for sure. Also because of how solos derank you almost never run across them in 4 or 5 star lobbies, they are all in 3 star lobbies bullying noobs

[@jacopogangemi4942]

I think that, in this kind of game, SBMM is required, expecially for new players or newbs like me. It needs some adjustment, but lobbies where you can encounter a potentially 6 star MMR because SBMM was removed are not fun at all. I think also that the problems behind your points can be easily resolved by making a lobby always made with MMR in mind but without affecting it, so u can play as u want without the risk that u derank. This is my opinion, i don't have the hours you (or the mean hunt player) have in this game, but in my case SBMM is enanching my skills and making me better at the game, while still loading like 10 tons of shit at my face every now and then with headshots from 150km because i remained still for like 0.5 seconds

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Brother watch the video until the very end. A completely new player that has 3 kills and 4 deaths got into the lobby with me, with over 5k kills. SBMM might be useful sure, but definitely not as it is now

[@athaeneus]

I think one of the problems resides in the fact that you can relatively easily learn basics (1 to 2 stars skill level in around 70 hours of playtime) and there is not enough new players in this time window of opportunity

[@lockofmetal8894]

@@TheAnnoyedOne Well I don't think he says the sbmm is good. More just that SBMM > no SBMM. Which i agree with. But the SBMM we have is god awful for sure. I would like to see you describe your rank system more indepth. You mentioned to me once you would, because it was so easy to fix.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

I briefly touched the ranked mode here, the in-depth part is just elaborating on the ranked points and rank distribution based on other games similar to this one (so actually proven to work) and some adjustment to gameplay mechanics. I have the script ready, I'm just lazy because the editing and recording process is gonna be 10x more time consuming than it took me to write it hah

[@Bobylein1337]

I deranked from 5 to 3 stars in 2 games yesterday, it's really stupid

[@clementparayre2088]

What video export settings do you use to have such smooth fps ?

[@yeetustothefeetus2852]

Go for the ranked video maybe you’ll start a trend and get some other ccs to join in on the frenzy

[@Another-Sound]

My god, mate you can by legendary hunter, sell 3 skills and buy necro :D

[@traindweeb7354]

You should make a vid on a possible replacement for SBMM

[@maxtized5422]

0:50 SBMM and turned off SBMM was literellay the same: you only accepted to queue longer for having a narrowed distance to other mmr values with sbmm. Pls no ranked queue! would make the all tryhards peepee way more harder if there would be a true rank system. Plus nobody plays the game for doing the boss after xthoused hours but for fights and "questing". Imo Crytek should abolish the stars-system and just show the plain values with all gains and losses per round. Then we can talk about points and statistics.

[@gabbagandalf8337]

he said that u should stay down on minute 8

[@Mr-HaZe]

Just when i downrank from 5 stars to 3 this video comes out ? Just let me have fun and not sweat ffs... btw i recognise good player that is smurfing and there are alot of them on the 3 star MMR

[@dogwaer_gaming]

Man i love your videos but it hirts to watch this one as a player that can just about stay in 3 star it just hurts because it makes the experience so much worse to die to those players and the thing is with this contend you need to go back up so for the video you almost needed to kill those bad players

[@dogwaer_gaming]

I dont want to attack you mr annoyed btw still love your vids but it just hurts

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

I get what you mean, but people go through stars just by playing the game normally. Especially for solos, it's nearly impossible to rank up because you need nearly perfect games to gain MMR, so even if you die twice a game with self res, you'll still go down. Even in teams, you get ressed 3 times in a game and you might drop a star. I've had multiple days where I started the day off as 5 stars, but it was a hunt taketh kind of day and we deranked to 4/3 stars, so obviously when we got lower we just started stomping lobbies. No deranking on purpose needed.

[@dogwaer_gaming]

@@TheAnnoyedOne yeah i mostly play for fun it was just to give a perspective because sometimes you get stomped because your unlucky but sometimes its a thousand hour player that stomps you and you dont stand a single chance thats really unfun

[@noobboon2579]

Lower match duration to 25-30 minutes

[@aljoschariechert7643]

i have close to 200 hours and 600 kills buddy what are you doing how are you enjoying the game

[@clementparayre2088]

don't agree with 20minutes penalty as I had an intense 30minutes fight 19kills yesterday and bro, how could you penalty me for just this huge match ?

[@elamwelling3224]

lol, eddy wally! gg

[@fiveforbiting]

I just play like my MMR doesn't matter. That way I yoyo from 3-5 star. This game doesn't lend itself to competitive, fair pvp, so who cares?

[@lnkPunk]

The game has needed a matchmaking rework forever. Regression towards the mean makes an ELO system that doesn't give players finite numbered rankings a complete mess. More content about it means the devs might actually prioritize it instead of letting us all abuse the hell out of the matchmaking so new players have the worst time they possibly can. Also arena mode when

[@TrollcaneYT]

why aren't you going to these events with or for Crytek and Hunt Showdown. I feel like the BIG names like Rachta and others should be talking about this. I think Vombuz wants SBMM reworked but he hasnt put a lot of thought into it like you.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Developers rarely care about having people expressing how they feel about a game's issue, they just prefer a bunch of "yes men" surrounding them

[@TrollcaneYT]

@@TheAnnoyedOne I feel they need to listen the ones that are not the yes men and have valid points to their game to make it better. Either way Please keep playing I enjoy your Hunt Videos. I laugh super hard at work and people wonder what I'm laughing at.

[@MyouKyuubi]

Or you can just ignore the ranking system and play however you want... I think people should stop waiting for the game to make it fun FOR them, and simply extract whatever fun you can out of the game on your own terms. :)

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

That's true, but also a bit harder than it is on paper. When you reach 5 stars, the game gets very sweaty. Mosins, Dolches, C&K, bush wookie gameplay with 0 noise anywhere on the map leaves you wondering which bush is gonna shoot at you first. Since I made this video I found a way to have fun with the game again (and it took me quitting it entirely for almost 3 months to do that), but a lot of people have to go out of their way and derank back to 3 stars just so they don't have to sweat and enjoy the game. I see complaints about campfest lobbies often, saying that it's not fun. Adding a casual queue where MMR has no significance would improve the game quality for a lot of players IMO.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@TheAnnoyedOne I haven't played the game much, i have like 48 hours of playtime, lol, but i HAVE been in a couple of camping stalemates after being the ONLY guy in the lobby who had the balls to go in and kill the bounty. xD Usually i stick around and try to fight for maybe 2 minutes, but eventually, i lose patience and simply leave, moving forces the campers to move, which puts the game in motion anyway, and if i die as a result of that, so be it, the bounty ain't worth a 40-minute stalemate, lol, i'd rather lose and begin the next game. :P

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Unfortunately not a lot of players have the same mentality. I also just push blindly just so I don't have to be waiting for 5 minutes for anyone to do a single step, but the game's community is too tied to their KDA and stars to do that a lot of the times. There are the odd days where games are very aggro, but they are few and far between. It is better during this event tho, thanks to the sealed cache in the middle of the map. A lot of people seem to PvP there now so it's a nudge in the right direction

[@markyelwell995]

im interested

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa7811]

Nice.

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Nice.

[@lolkwizzy2969]

A guide of on how to be 6 stars ?

[@TheAnnoyedOne]

Be miserable, ez

[@masterchief4707]

he said "Bleib doch mal liegen " stay down nothing too insalt you i would see howyouplay a troll lodout i mean something like macheti deringer and other machety too get sall into some 3 stars

[@carsacnurao2710]

Okay, after seeing this I think the system is really broken xD