Classic's Crazy Starcraft 2 CHEESE!

[@toffeelatte6042]

Classic showing PvZ the respect it deserves lmao

[@T1stG]

its actually pretty great how classic pulled those off, it was really close too, just a few mistakes and he would have been in trouble

[@adriantitera2770]

@Ryan Orth Losing too many Tempests or Immortals

[@khaluu2000]

Yes I did order cheese with my starcraft burger with a side of awesome-sauce

[@cobble3231]

With a touch of salt of course

[@MassDynamic]

some *classic* cheese. the good stuff

[@tmdgnsdl1373]

美味

[@soisaid9004]

You want a proxy dessert with that?

[@unfortunaterabbit5900]

Not enough Minerals!

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

Love how half of the comments are just whining about how OP Protoss cannon rushing or warp prism pickups are, when none of the people complaining could have made what Classic just did stick. :^)

[@skychaos87]

Only noobs think cannon rush is op, pros doesn't have problems against it and it has low success rate in tournament games.

[@jose_rodriguex_x3986]

Protos op is the reality they are the only ones who can route to 2 bases and without units, I am diamond 1 and their units are as cheap as their protos micro

[@jose_rodriguex_x3986]

Templar 125 de mineral 125 de gas

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

@@jose_rodriguex_x3986 so when you say "I'm diamond 1," is the implication that you can play and micro like these two players at this level? Because the main thrust of my argument is that most people here that complain about one side being "OP" aren't even talented or skilled enough to make that judgement because they don't play at this level.

[@jose_rodriguex_x3986]

@@OneBiasedOpinion protos A + click = victory...... Protos op

[@TheRealDeathvid]

One roach to rule them all, that made me laugh more than it should

[@tomwallen7271]

Mata: "I like to cheese." Classic: "Hold my Pylon."

[@Omegascithe]

*Warps in fleet beacon next to the held pylon*

[@Skorpyotnt]

10:45 That queen just lost him the game.

[@robertr.hasspacher7731]

Always amazed at how balanced the game can be regarding cheese and late game, two absolutely different metrics for unit power.

[@Craigv93]

THAT IMMORTAL MICRO CHEEEEEEEESUS

[@johndford]

The thumbnail gave everything awag

[@whateverppl1229]

i know, having that many tempest early on means you've won.

[@mancamiatipoola]

Puppy dog wag?

[@fuzzed217]

Classic - Has' long lost relative

[@Dewoy1]

So glad they added shield batteries on top of cannon rushers. Cause who wants to sit here all day and watch lategame Starcraft.

[@ActuallyAlasar]

So glad they made mass Zerg spellcaster so broken that the best Protoss in the world has to cannon rush because he can't beat it

[@superstaralen]

Dewoy1 blizzards gotta find any way they can help protoss! It would be too much to ask them to have skill 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@superstaralen]

Ala5aR Ya im sure that why serrals the worlds best player 😂😂😂

[@yrm1594]

Stop being salty. Cannon rush is very easily beatable

[@yrm1594]

@@superstaralen What are you talking about? Late game Protoss micro requires a lot of skill. Meanwhile, zerg can just take control of the Protoss mothership and all his units

[@justyndelbridge7467]

I love watching Classic play. He’s my favorite player and it really sucks that he’s about to have to leave for military service ;(

[@Sol-gz4pp]

i hope he wins gsl

[@MassDynamic]

@Noah Eden you mean return as a demigod :)

[@solortus]

That immortal micro holy shit. The pressure was affecting my anxiety lmao

[@Paulo-zr5zo]

anxiety blah blah look im so cool i have anxiety!!!

[@100xszep9]

@@Paulo-zr5zo ????

[@teh_hunterer]

I've been ignoring these videos in my recommended for ages because I thought it was some random new caster. Finally clicked on one today - didn't realise it was Stemkoski and Timebones! Sweet

[@davidvondoom2853]

Queue music: Immortal - Two Steps From Hell

[@我想想-e5d]

finally, though is not has

[@DungNguyen-qy3yz]

Always a treat to watch immortal juggling, and the immortal's sound effect is ear orgasm

[@YttriumtYcLief]

Honestly some of the sound design in SC2 is just so fucking good. Marine deaths to banelings, immortal attacks, brood lord attacks...

[@gyppygirl2021]

@@YttriumtYcLief This game in general is just an aesthetic treat in every sense. It's visually appealing, and the auditory aspects (music and sound effects) are out of this world.

[@verruckter360]

I remember watching a series which happened to be a TvP where Protoss did the same strat, and the casters did referenced this match, saying that Terran "already knew about this opening and actually knew exactly how to counter it" or something among those lines, and he actually succesfully defended against it. I know I am asking for too much but if someone happens to remember which series it was, I would be ieternaly grateful 👏

[@PrettyTonyi]

this is the best kind of starcraft Catching your opponent by surprise

[@sirlunacy8066]

I didn't like the temptests, that felt dirty, but Destroying Serral feels clean and Justified Muahahahaha

[@Samstagnachmittag]

guess i've just found my new favorite Protoss player

[@rkanava7245]

I was just casually watching some rush, then suddenly at 1:55 I go WHAAT?!? Lul

[@rubrub3104]

Drops mules when he could use that eng for scans to get more tempests down , he deserves that defeat

[@iusefacebookalso]

I usually root for the Protoss and love the use of Tempests but I must be honest, I was rooting for the Terran victory in the first game. That was entertaining to watch.

[@verruckter360]

I am always sadden when Last Stand starts playing and it is suddenly cut by the edit, like in 0:22 😣

[@artinsaphire3081]

So this is where it started

[@nghiboss1]

papa Has is proud

[@diastree]

New tempest upgrade goes brrrr

[@thefirstsol1770]

He's been watching Quasarprintf and Grimreaper too much

[@itsrye8001]

It should be FanTaSy vs. Shield Batteries.

[@svenjorgensen5]

Protoss would be lost without those batteries.

[@tictcha612]

Nice video !

[@holographicmeatloaf1596]

Shield Batteries OP

[@woochoi3373]

what a god

[@Tary88]

Would mass queens work better against that cannon rush? Shoot the prism down?

[@patrikhellstrom4590]

Early cheese is the reason humanity has wars. Trust me on this one.

[@cristiansilva1464]

Gameplay tactics question. What if he got ghosts and nukes to the center of those batteries. I didmt see and observers in the mix.

[@vladimirkvasnick]

Alot of investment, and classic had cannons

[@jerrygreenest]

Lol that was so close with serral

[@hoanglevu6116]

name is classic Known for cheese strategy

[@zanethurman6330]

This just makes me like protoss less haha

[@jonahglass-hussain4568]

mmmmm... got dat cheddar

[@Metis1337]

I think Fantasy fucked up by making the 2 extra barracks instead of making more factories instantly

[@firestarter000001]

Personally i dont mind people cheesing, cannon rushing, its part of the game, as valid tactic as any other. I just think its a bad strategic decision if they do it all the time and are like me in Gold. They will never learn any other strategies, they will not learn macro.And i see it , if their cannon rush fails, there is maybe a hail mary DT play, and after they fall apart, even if at the end of cannon rush it was pretty even. They just dont really know how to play macro.

[@gabrielruas6464]

Dude..... these are pros and WAY beyond our skill level, they can afford to do a chesse and not play worse after, the are not gold lol

[@firestarter000001]

@@gabrielruas6464 I think you havent read my comment properly , becasue you are repeating what i wrote" its a bad strategic decision if they do it all the time and are like me in Gold"

[@stonetusk1]

Hell yeah

[@siegetanksss]

So when Has cheese its cool and innovative , but when Classic cheese it's cheap and dirty (despite Classic's macro level is on a whole another level from Has) ? What's up with this salty community that can't even appreciate the good stuffs?

[@lleo3638]

siegetanksss perhaps bc Classic is Korean and his opponent who he defeated was Serral?

[@willscharnagl6909]

it's cheap and dirty when either of them does it ???

[@masterofdizzzaster]

@@willscharnagl6909 its part of the game, its not dirty

[@ZC.Andrew]

This was the stinkiest of cheeses

[@simunator]

pretty sure warp prism pick up distance need to get nerfed at this point

[@JuNkyMuNky60]

No way

[@DeviousWizard]

it does seem to be extremely long range and broken

[@IngensViator]

Wasn't it reduce from 6 to 5 range in the latest patch?

[@Rwpankaj]

Also the late game Protoss needs buff..

[@DungNguyen-qy3yz]

If so, infestor's neural parasite and fungal also need to get nefted, and no need to talk about viper's abduct distance.

[@fuzzyechoes]

Haven't played the game in a while. I've noticed nobody really uses void rays anymore. Have they been removed from the game like the mothership core?

[@BlitkriegsAndCoffee]

Its pretty much considered the worst unit in the game right now. Immortals are cheaper and do more damage. Being an Air unit and being able to shoot air isn't enough to justify them right now when most AA units have the light armor tag. You only really see them if you opened Stargate first and get rushed by Roaches. They used to be used a bit protect your Carriers from Corrupters, but most Protoss don't want to go anywhere near the end game vs Zerg in the current patch. They also used to be used in rushes similar to the Tempests in the first game, using Shield Batteries to keep them alive, but thats basically died off since the Cyclone changes.

[@scrollreader7355]

They're very popular on the lower leagues on the ladder though, especially in Bronze/Silver/Gold PvP.

[@mrhexadus1303]

5:22 he is getting nervous, he has no clue whats out there, after being stuck in his own base for so long. lol the commentator "at this moment classic could just get up and grab a coke from the vending machine and let the npc finish this"

[@privatprivat7279]

could serral have won that fight if he pulled hes drones? 12:38 or 12:50

[@ianlarm1588]

2 gaems!?!

[@narmale]

cannon rush is annoying AF... I am NOT fast enough to counter them and it drives me insane... I don't like short matches >.

[@ozxocx]

Classic cheesy games.

[@TangledThorns]

derp

[@lakalkoul]

need better audio not loud enough

[@darkdill]

Haven't seen any tournament maps that have those slowing fields. Interesting gimmick. Then again, I spend more of my time _playing_ games rather than _watching_ games.

[@MrNoipe]

weird flex but ok

[@gyppygirl2021]

There's another one coming up in the next season, though the slowing fields are a bit more spread out and not clumped in the center. I get the feeling that Turbo Cruise was intended as a test run for the slowing fields.

[@8246857]

Why it’s called cheese?

[@Lv3Wizard]

I feel like getting a nuke would be really good here...

[@reticenti6365]

Wow, yolo builds!

[@TheDuffman86]

Ethos why I hate toss players

[@동동동-x9b]

Nerf batteries

[@Yaredhabolt]

These kind of games make me feel so good that I stopped playing SC2. There is no fun playing against that.

[@012egis]

QQ

[@Yaredhabolt]

@jwang604 h8ters gonna h8 ;)

[@lmeza1983]

2 workers per probe can stop a cannon rush

[@KingOfBlades27]

@@lmeza1983 doesn't really work like that in real games.

[@Yaredhabolt]

@@lmeza1983 wonder why Serral doesn't know that xD

[@m1m0-streaming25]

Crazy? That's IMBA

[@neverworld8815]

Збс сыграл

[@RachelTension]

What a disgusting strategy

[@jose_rodriguex_x3986]

Wtf protos OP no balance...!!! Protos no honor

[@shs5017]

테란 열라 못하네 ㅋㅋ

[@m4a17878]

finally serral lost You can't never beat him in late marco games

[@ActuallyAlasar]

*Zerg

[@musicham8568]

1

[@BlueberryFruitshake]

Okay so if you're in Fantasy's position with that much protoss BS outside your main, wouldn't you want to transition into ghosts? EMP hardcounters protoss units and depletes shield batteries, plus nukes can clear out the tightly packed structures. Classic had no detection or way vision to a ghost academy in the back of the main.

[@flashtirade]

Too costly to produce both the cyclones/vikings needed for the defense while also teching to ghosts

[@BlueberryFruitshake]

@@flashtirade He could have lifted the starport for better engages vs the tempests. The vikings weren't favorable since they couldn't to be massed to overwhelm the tempests and just served as an expensive buffer for the cyclones. Better to just pump out some marines to eat shots and go ghosts than bleed out so many resources into vikings.

[@flashtirade]

@@BlueberryFruitshake Marines aren't much of a buffer to tempests with shield battery support unless there's a critical mass and/or stim, the vikings I think are necessary to the defense. However, the placement of the starport (as well as some of the repairing SCVs) severely hampered Fantasy's movement to the point where Classic was getting free kills on units that stuck trying to retreat. Fantasy might have been able to hit critical mass of vikings but he lost a number of them trying to pursue the tempests into the backline shield batteries.

[@BlueberryFruitshake]

@@flashtirade Feel marines would be a better buffer as they're much cheaper and take 2 hits each to kill whereas the more expensive vikings fall in 4 shots. With two orbitals worth of mules Fantasy could have kept marine production high enough to delay until ghost tech, which he could transition into easily by swapping a raxx onto the factory techlab. Marines could then be used to drop like we saw him try to do in the end, or secure him a third for either a marine tank or bioball followup.

[@dalestoddard2742]

Ghosts and nukes take too long to get and are expensive. He would've died long before they were ready.

[@danik_kruglua4ok560]

Protoss needs a nerf. Zerg must rush other rases, not protoss.

[@warmonster12345]

Zerg hasn't been a rush race since broodwar lol.

[@Skorpyotnt]

Your statement doesn't have any sense. Protoss can't win late game, so they play aggressive cause it's the only way to win. Zerg play passive, because zerg lategame is so strong that they feel more confortable playing longer games with high economy. So if you wan't zerg rushes instead of protoss you need to nerf zerg lategame and buff protoss lategame.

[@danik_kruglua4ok560]

@@Skorpyotnt I mean im tired of watching this cRaZY *nickname here* CHEESE. Where is a good macro game with great comebacks, interesting army composition and so on? Yes, cheese builds are interesting, but there is too much of them. BC rushes, tempest rushes, proxy darkshrine, proxy hatchery and more. Even a probe rush. No one want's to play macro games because of the balance - so where is it? Yes, sc2 is a free2play game, it don't make a lot of money, but come on.

[@Skorpyotnt]

It's a game's core idea. Every race has different power spikes. Why would you want to play against a very strong zerg lategame especially against a very good player. So you're trying to finish the game earlier if you want to win. On the other side same might be said about macro games (im tired of watching this cRaZY nickname here Long games. etc.) It's just a matter of preferences. Personally I prefer "cheesy" games because I'm a micro player myself. I admire what people can do with limited resources both in attack and in defence. Also micro games give you so little room for mistakes. As seen here, Serral did everything great and almost deflected the rush but he lost control of 1 queen. That queen is golden in this type of scenarios and you can't afford to lose that. Keeping cool in stressed scenarious and finding the way to victory with very limited opportunities. That's also a skill you can't deny. There's no better or more interesting playstyle. It's just somehting you personally like more.

[@scrollreader7355]

@@danik_kruglua4ok560 Also worth noting that there are lots of macro games out there on KZbin too. Might I suggest Lowko, if you don't already watch him? I find he puts out a wholesome variety of macro games, cheese games, and everything in between.

[@ThePulsarGaming]

This is why starcraft lost a vast majority of its player base. Protoss and its bull shit. Its not fun to play against and its only fun to watch for a select few people. Protoss relies on these cheesy ass builds or late game turtles to survive and its just not fun.

[@NinoUwU.]

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