Scalp Skin Thickness for SMP (How Deep)

[@djdoubled6970]

Great Video and Demonstration! 👍🏻

[@DermMicro]

Thanks!

[@garychristopher5480]

Fantastic advice thanks

[@ssg.recheverri1970]

Great video I love info!!!

[@Hani_Santa]

Thankyou for this tutorial, what kind of Volt do you use in general with your smp machine? For how quick the needle goes up and down.

[@garrettduell]

Hi, I have other videos that cover that, and it is detailed in the SMP guide that comes with the DermMicro kit. I keep the voltage at 11. Keep in mind that the voltage can change based on the pen you are using. Some pens are more powerful than others, and don't require as much voltage.

[@Hani_Santa]

@@garrettduell Hi Garrett many thanks for your answer and tip.

[@domch5282]

Could I ask which size of needle you usually use for the hairline?

[@DermMicro]

I use the HD-3 needle. Even though its 3-pronged, Its actually finer than a 1rl or an smp1 needle.

[@domch5282]

@@DermMicro appreciate your reply! Learing a lot from you. Do you suggest me using a 1RL for the hairline area and start with a 3rl behind it? I always wonder what the blending will look like if done like it / how to have a clean transition from the 1rl to the 3rl

[@Radyradrad]

Do you have an in depth tutorial?

[@DermMicro]

@@Radyradrad Hi Samuel, all of the tutorials that I have created are on KZbin. I am, however, working on something on the side that is extremely in depth, but I cannot confidently say what date that will be available.

[@Radyradrad]

@@DermMicro Well you see I was thinking about buying your item on Amazon, and seeing if I can make money doing this as it seems like the equipment is calibrated along with the inks and needle good enough to make a genuine looking follicle, I’m just weary about the depth and technique and things like that making sure you can give a really genuine realistic look for the client as I don’t want them biting off my head off, if it’s possible to do some consulting and you have a hourly price in mind I’d probably be interested.

[@yuecorner]

So, my friend got a bad smp work because he went to his first session and it seemed all good, but then in his next sessions, his skin would just absorb the pigment up and there was nothing left, so the "expert" that worked on him would just add more and more pigment, and now he has this areas where there's no pigment at all and other "islands" of really big and dark points. I'm new in this and I'm learning so much form you, but do you know why did his skin absorb and dissapear the pigment every time? And what would be a possible solution? Would you go deeper and slower so the pigment would stay? (I'm just using him as a case of study but I have recommended him to go to have an expert fix him). Thanks a lot!

[@garrettduell]

With a lot of the inks out there, they have instructions on watering them inks down. Its possible this first smp artist was watering it down too much, or maybe they werent going deep enough in the skin. It was never getting absorbed, it was just not staying in the skin because the artist did not go deep enough, so it was shedding along with the epidermis as it was healing. Then, im sure the artist went too deep out of frustration. Not knowing what pigments they ised, or needles, or depths and speeds they used, i cannot say for sure how this all happened, or what adjustments need to be made, but I always advice people to move slower rather than go deeper, when trying to make points stay. When you go in too deep, you get those islands/blowouts. The DermMicro HD pigments I made make it so it is much harder to create blowouts. its easy to create bad blowouts when your just watering down black tattoo ink.

[@yuecorner]

@@garrettduell Thank you very much for your quick answer. Yes, since here in Mexico it was a very new procedure when he got it (five years ago) it seems a very plausible explanation, but it's hard to know for sure. Thank you!

[@jamal-uw7bx]

انت عظيم ❤❤❤❤

[@afykhan854]

Crown area which # needle should be used Thank

[@DermMicro]

On medium to light skin, it is generally going to be the smp3 needle. When working on darker skin, one might switch to an SMP5 needle.

[@afykhan854]

Thanks ...much appreciated I’m learning soooo much from you

[@ScalpDesigns]

@@afykhan854 I happen to see this question and do not agree if u care about your work you should never use a 5rl especially being new shouldn't go larger than a 3rl for smp ..I liked the video its all true every client skin is different which is actually the cologen that depending on age,health,race,and many more factors. Though you shouldn't go larger than a 3rl largest i use is a 12/03 ...You more likely to cause blowouts happen when you use big needles ..I still use a 1rl on many clients just has a cleaner look..hope this helps we need more great artists in this industry too many people doing big ugly blue dots

[@zatchsmp3262]

@@ScalpDesigns although I do agree that using a 5rl is not a great idea, I have to say that his results gallery is impressive. Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about yours.

[@carmenaliciaroblescastillo5368]

@@ScalpDesigns DermMicro te da estos consejos sí estás trabajando con todos sus productos.. Si usas otras marcas nó funcionará y obviamente los resultados serán completamente distintos.

[@jjwarner3593]

I have done training with scalp co and appear natural. Do u do online training?

[@garrettduell]

Hi JJ, sorry this is the only training that I have available, here on KZbin. I am working on a more comprehensive training program in the future, but this is it for right now. I have about 20 videos up here on KZbin.

[@TheWiseSkeleton]

possibly a dumb question, but I only need a few dots added in my hairline, under 15, could i just use the smp1 needle without the machine? just dipped in ink? stick and poke method?

[@DermMicro]

When the machine is running, the needle goes up and down too fast for your eyes to track. This allows you to have an extreme amount of control when you touch the skin with the machine running. Dip and poke would definitely not be recommended. You would have no control over the depth, which is key to doing good SMP work. If you're looking to handle a small area, you should just look around your local area to see if there's anybody that works with permanent makeup or solely does SMP, scalp micro pigmentation.

[@HUMBLEBEASTFITCO]

Have you ever done SMP over a VP shunt?

[@DermMicro]

No, sorry, i have not

[@mamudberber4767]

What is the solution to change its color to green, the color of the tattoo, with the passage of two weeks of work, its color changes? What is the solution to the problem?

[@DermMicro]

I'm sorry, I do not understand the question. When I see a scar that is red, I will add some light green. When there are parts of the skin that are purple, add yellow .. when there are parts that are green, I add red: As these colors are opposites on the color wheel, they will always balance each other out.

[@mamudberber4767]

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[@mamudberber4767]

After two weeks of smp, the color of the ink changes to green. What is the reason for this condition? If you make a black color, for example, or a coffee color, after two weeks, the color of its dye changes to green, like a tattoo.

[@DermMicro]

@@mamudberber4767 Yes, on anything dark is placed into the skin to a certain depth, it will appear to be different colors. Similar to what a bruise does. When skin bruises, that is essentially dark blood that is no longer oxygenated working its way through your system, like a temporary tattoo. As it works its way through the layers of your skin, you will see it appear yellow, green, purple/bluish. Its called Raleigh scattering. It's the same reason the sky is blue, and it should be black like outer space. Your skin creates this layer of atmosphere that scatters the light and only the short wavelength blue and green colors bounce back to your eye.. The pigment never changed color, but the way it appears in your skin can appear different shades in the blue to green parts of the white light spectrum.

[@hrygrdhm1969]

My practitioner is using 0.5 mm depth for the entire head is this not correct?

[@garrettduell]

The truth is a bit too complex to put into words. You're going to adjust your depth and your speed that you move as you work your way across the head depending on how the skin is reacting. These are going to be fractions of fractions of millimeters in difference, so there's no real way to articulate it other than to gain the experience through working on many heads, dealing with many skin types. 99.9% of scalp artists do not have a specific depth-stopping mechanism attached to their pen. They just extend the needle anywhere from 2 mm to 4 mm out and then touch the skin at the depth they "feel" is correct. Generally speaking, this step is going to be from 0.5 mm to 1 mm throughout the head. But, there are times, like dealing with the back of the head neck fat, where I'm pushing as hard as I can and going really slow so I get as much ink in there as possible, and I still barely make a mark. So... The artist needs to be able to adapt and address different situations as they go. When answering a client's questions though, they're not going to go into all that explanation, and they'll just give you an easy answer like "0.5 mm all around."

[@hrygrdhm1969]

@@garrettduell thanks for a quick reply, I underwent 3 sessions a few months ago whilst continuing to take oral minoxidil. Then a couple of weeks after my 3rd session my scalp went really flakey and pale with all the pigment coming out of my head over time. My practitioner and I believe it was the minoxidil process causing this overheating almost so she is now trying SMP again at no extra cost to me but this time without taking oral minoxidil. Have you ever had a case similar to this?

[@afykhan854]

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