Scamming and the End of Magic Investing

[@dannydevito4338]

There is no excitement to anything in MTG anymore. Ironically, the magic is gone.

[@MrDrydius]

Lorcana is dope

[@michaeledwards1644]

have to wait until Final Fantasy .. that should hype it up

[@afkafk129]

Lorcana already killed itself also Disney people that order those cards are the worst…omg I ripped my team bag omg the cards arrived in the order I expected… effing twats

[@The-Entelechy]

I disagree. I think playing it right now has been a good time recently. I'm glad these prices are crashing because no cardboard should be used as speculative investments.

[@orionliebowitz5368]

😂 game won't die even after Hasbro dies. There will always be a few nerds playing on the kitchen table.

[@fsmoura]

19:05 _"Well, in cardboard, as in life, someone's gotta be the sucker... and as they used to say, if you're in a cardboard investment community/patreon and you don't know who the sucker is, you're it!"_ *_*lights cigar with a hundo*_*

[@egon4564]

Full case box cracking videos are great for the community to see how rare or common some of these cards are.

[@mickeyhadley4281]

I’ve used my investment money to buy card stock and a good printer. I now have all the singles I could ever want for under 25 cents per card. My playgroup loves inexpensive proxies too. Thanks Cashbro! The game you’re playing has made me reconsider the game I’m playing!

[@em3sis]

What printer did you end up going with?

[@refundreplay]

Nearly 30 years of playing, and I would hold my nose as I scribbled on a paper my "proxy", so I could playtests before buying, and I felt gross doing it. Now, I'm more than happy to visit my local library for free cards. 50 color pages per month, Free!

[@mickeyhadley4281]

@em3sis - I found a great deal on a Canon Pixma Pro 200. It works amazingly well, I’m very, very impressed. Now to be fair, I’m no printer expert. I did some cursory YT research and went with it from others’ recommendations but I’m super happy. I got mine used from a friend but even brand new they’re around $5-600. Print off 10 jeweled lotuses and it’s paid for itself.

[@damo9961]

Why would you even bother to play this sh*t game if all your cards were worthless paper? A lot of the allure of Magic is the expensive cards and rarity. Magic has ALWAYS been play to win, players limited in their deck construction by their own cardpools - that is the fun of it. If you don't like pay to win then go play one of the many better games out there that are far cheaper. If all my decks were suddenly worthless paper sticky-taped to worthless cardboard, I'd just throw them out and play something else. Proxies dial every play group up to almost Cedh. Proxies destroy any interesting budget choices and you start seeing the same 'cards' over and over. Proxies eliminate any mistique. "Oh but poor people, oh but game-pieces" Yeah well Hasbro said this game wasn't for everyone. There are literally infinite games out there that you could play. All of my expensive cards in my decks hold memories. I can feel the power of the cardboard. What do your proxies feel like to you?

[@mickeyhadley4281]

@damo9961- Wow lots to unpack there. Wish I could offer you a tissue to dry your eyes and wipe the drool from your chin, though it would be a proxy tissue. Magic isn’t a shit game, but it is an unsustainable model with the current costs and power creep for me. I’ve been playing Magic since 1998, Richard. Or Dick if you prefer? Anyway, Dick, I’m now retired on a fixed income so Cashbro is slowly pricing the sets and singles I want out of my price range. But I guess that’s my fault for not having retired a millionaire. Yeah, I could sell my collection of vintage cards to keep purchasing new sets but I don’t want to, nor should I have to. I’m curious, Dick, have you played much casual edh? I have and I noticed years ago that my decks constantly have to be upgraded or they get the shit kicked out of them which makes it not so fun. Obviously, Dick, you’re a left brain control freak type so what should I do?

[@johnc6497]

What I like about FaB is that you can basically do what you did for old school MTG, and that's 300-400 dollars a set for a case 2-3 times a year and fully enjoy the hobby without feeling like you had to settle for the 'poverty box'. I really hope FaB stays away from the money grabbing schemes that MTG went for...

[@Levit0522]

In conclusion if you “invest” in cardboard game pieces controlled by a single company who cares about profit you are a joker.

[@energetek661]

Gotta say standard set jumpstarts was an actual disaster.

[@coreyhagen]

There’s no reason to play standard in paper anymore. That’s why less boxes are being opened etc. Driving it to 0.

[@christianmathew398]

@energetek661 Rudy called it years ago, the original JumpStart was great but WOTC drove the concept into the ground with “game pieces”

[@adamlombardo]

Rudy knows that crayons are like people: they're all different colors, but they all taste the same ❤.

[@ContemporaryCollectables]

Dont invest in Magic unless you hate having money

[@tmobilefan2063]

@ContemporaryCollectables Unless you have money to LOSE. Because you could lose it all.

[@TheSushiandme]

What's money 😂

[@monkey39128]

Pretty much true for 99% of Magic. I'd imagine the only thing that might be ok is some of the very old sets like Alpha and Beta. Basically everything else is heading for the chopping block.

[@refundreplay]

MTG investing was something I wanted to do when I had no money. Now I have a little bit, and Hasbro is doing everything possible to ensure I don't want to give them any money.

[@Hotlog69]

That's true for all investments. You can't have your cash and invest it too.

[@danield-h1j]

I dont watch for the cardboard. Never touched magic. I watch for the hair model talking to the camera

[@ChickenCrewNews]

Finally another man of true culture 😂

[@nathanvetterlein3680]

I was here pre-2020 and I'm still here, because i simply love the fucking cardboard - let the records show.

[@fsmoura]

3:00 _"trust me... it's not coming back up for a looong time"_ That's what I tell the wife 5 min in into our Friday night dates ( -.-)

[@MarkusB69420]

As a Pokémon player, I’m currently loving Magic and buying game pieces for decks like there’s no tomorrow. It feels like a unique opportunity for a new player to get into the game and buy a bunch of powerful cards while everyone is in a frenzy after Magic 30.

[@xDukii]

people want magic 30?

[@anhvu6824]

Whales wants it. @@xDukii

[@casinoboy8871]

Lol

[@fsmoura]

17:42 _Florida Man Follows Advice of His Lawyers, Starts Preemptively Laying Down His Defense, As Lawsuit Threats Start to Mount-"I Don't Ever Remember Saying, If You Buy This It's Gonna Outperform the S&P500"_

[@mfdoom1898]

DUDE... eBay is horrendous right now. Between the new card condition scaling, like seeing a damaged card listed as LP, and other sellers straight up not sending anything and no communication, it's a coinflip if you get what you ordered. Also the USPS is we todd ed, even if theres tracking my purchases are out for delivery in the wrong states. And good luck with having eBay fix anything.

[@mfdoom1898]

Even ABU GAMES has heavy played cards listed as LP. It's hilarious

[@Damienmizerak]

I apologize on behalf of all sellers. A little bit of inside info from someone who’s dealing with problems not because I sent them, no, the post man for this community stole them. He thought I was a dummy or because I ship out hundreds of packages and envelopes I wouldn’t notice. Well I’m 68 orders in about a week and a half 12 went missing. Nearly all the packages the one day. Recorded the convo of me confronting him as he came up my doorstep and me saying remember I handed you this and you scanned it I saw it, but yet, did you maybe not hit confirm and forget it in the truck maybe? Aka passively asking him if he stole it, and he gave me the ultimate “I think your dumb” excuse he said the eBay standard mail isn’t even usps mail, and, he knew very well the process of losing mail on eBay, acting it was fine because I get my money back. Well I let down customers who are real people. That’s why I’m literally after no joke over 1.4K sales and like probably 2000+ items itself sold at this point, I’m switching to other platforms, mainly mercari right now, but they are eating every dime I make. It’s insane the fees eBay takes to say “I sell on eBay”

[@GrandDungeonDad]

@@DamienmizerakI had a carrier swipe two of my packages and sit on them to see if I would report it. When I did he took it back to the post office when the postmaster I spoke to was off and handed it in to be shipped back to the TCG seller. The seller gave me a full refund but it was my carrier. Apparently similar incidents have been reported with this jerk

[@DA-sq4sz]

the amount of scamming on online used item selling is all time how now, its everywhere.

[@a1pha_star]

I always hated eBay.

[@wademiller2376]

I'd love to grab a couple old pieces that seemed out of reach but now with a little saving I can add to my collection. Nothing crazy but I would also appreciate the box openings, sometimes just doing chores around the house I'll have the video on to check out. Especially anything old border! ❤️

[@lostalone9320]

The problem is that the quality which makes old, prestige cards desirable is in large part that they are expensive and difficult to buy.

[@AwesomeKenneth240]

Hey babe wake up, Rudy is talking about his big fancy slab again.

[@itsazombiethingsgaming1107]

Like you Sir Rudy, I like the special edition LOTR set. To be honest, if they just made this with what the first set had, it would have sold truly more in my opinion.

[@Yurikan]

Rudy, it's dead when no one cares anymore. When no one cares, then it doesn't matter anymore what WoTC does, and I haven't cared for a long time. A card game doesn't die loud, it dies silently. However, the flip side to that is "not caring" can be changed. It's just that they are trying too hard to hit every single random fandom in the planet when they don't need to, and they have competition from other sectors that feel more special than the magic the gathering cards.

[@blaze556922]

The fact that people like you and I clicked on this video and commented means we do care. Just because things aren't financially beneficial doesn't mean the game isn't enjoyable. That is his point

[@Beckola44]

The problem with certain Magic products being short printed is Wizards will probably print more later on. You just cannot trust Hasbro / Wizards because they lie to our face. I enjoy opening boxes but with the new Play booster boxes going up 30% plus we can expect a few more price increases in 2024, our group will not buy any sealed product. Most Collector boxes do not give you much value. Plus, with so many reprints, I will wait 3 to 6 months before I buy any singles. I am not in this to make money but I do not like Wizards destroying the collectability of the cards on the secondary market. We like drafting and playing Commander at the kitchen table. Thank you for the video Rudy.

[@refundreplay]

I miss opening boxes of Magic, but the way Hasbro is running the show, I have no desire to continue doing so. Sorcery TCG is now available, thank the gods, and it's a ton of fun.

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

I am on board with this as well. Scr is doing it for me thankfully. I still play commander but I don't buy actual boxes to open for fun anymore. Sucks cuz I want to support mtg.

[@vote2322]

Fab is the way to Go. very fun.

[@monkey39128]

Sorcery, FAB, One Piece. There's so many good new games to play right now.

[@doctordistracto8390]

I mean it's cool if you like a game, but there's no reason to stop opening magic that doesn't apply to other games. People panic about one shop not buylisting magic anymore but Sorcery isn't on any buylist. There's no serious market for these other games, just some spurts here and there, a couple shops here and there, it's exactly like the big pile of 1990s dead games if you were around for that. As far as just for funsies, most of these other games don't have any event support, don't have any lore, are extremely hard to find people to play with. So in that respect non-magic games are a lot worse off than the 90s non-magic stuff. There are a few exceptions like FAB just like there's a few 90s games people still play. I just don't see any difference I think people are falling into the same old trap again.

[@reaganwitten2272]

I don’t listen because I like the cardboard. I listen because I apply your ideas to investing in general. Need more pink visor videos for sue.

[@VernsHobbies]

I watch the channel because… I like the stock!! Actually, Rudy, I watch your channel because it let’s me enjoy the drama of the game without spending any money on the game! After selling my collection the second time, I haven’t gone back

[@femydeet]

I love being Scammed By Magic

[@asgads]

I played magic since 1995 and got back into it as a collector around 2021. I don´t curse about prices but about the transparency. For the new lotr update, I had to google multiple time to even understand what it is supposed to be now ( rerelease, expansion, special GAME pieces...). For now I am happy about the good old bundles/fat packs because the rest gets confusing fast. and that´s not even talking about the card variants themselves

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

We need a funny money talk between Rudy and Nick from "Sam & Nick perfect clips". Both have a lot in common, with the difference that Nick doesn't hide his power levels and Rudy would end up feeling more comfortable making jokes with someone like Nick around.

[@potatopack]

pre 2020 when you started and i came across you in your first year, it was interesting.. SOMEONE talking about bonds and cards and just off topic was FOOKING hilarious and a breath of fresh air. LOVED it... and saw the demise of his waistline hahaha go easy on the food dude is all i can say

[@jambobbyb124]

40 mins man I’m saving this for tomorrow morning!

[@ClearanceCollector]

I remembered back then when you bought whole bunch Magic products in old garage back then. Then Pokemon bathroom to open card shop. Oh, how time flies.

[@michaelm.5568]

I wasn't around pre 2023 :D you're tremendously insightful for me as a new LGS owner. Some insights are US specific and we're in germany, but still we learn a lot from you. Thanks Rudy, helps a lot!

[@KungFuChess]

Magic just needs a good movie franchise like Marvel and LOTR has

[@monkey39128]

That could definitely help. Castlevania was a dead franchise but the Netflix show was fantastic and has somewhat revived interest.

[@patrickbateman69420]

Point about the lack of Amazon dumps for Universes Beyond stuff - Games Workshop love doing the whole 'engineered scarcity' thing to drive hype and FOMO up (for books as well as models), so for _at least_ the Warhammer MTG products I think Rudy would be bang on with wondering about "no Amazon dumps" being specified in the contract. I'm sure some other successful franchises would be similar. Also, MetaZoo's fucking *dead* 💀

[@dannydevito4338]

Looking back Return to Ravnica in 2012 kinda marked the beginning of the end. The entire business model changed

[@relicdad88]

Sadly that's right when I started 2013 lol so idk how it was b4 that. 2013 to 2022 rip me n my collection universe beyond commander reprint after reprint crap.

[@captaindash1485]

My favorite part about Rudy videos in general, is how you can tell he reads/knows the comments on his vids. His subsequent videos usually contain parts where he specifically talks about topics from a past comment. Usually putting some toxic person in their place. Tl;Dr: "GAME pieces".

[@KnightBanditDayZ]

Brain: It's click bait. Heart: But what if

[@deadfordays]

That's the same process when I purchase magic packs :(

[@svenyproud]

the important question is... when to sell out of reserved list?! i have this feeling wotc will print more 30th garbage

[@mathewdebol923]

They got a pretty huge backlash on MtG30. I’m guessing they won’t pull something like that again to quickly

[@monkey39128]

It depends what it is. I'd say Alpha and Beta will always be somewhat ok but it gets riskier the further you get away from those sets.

[@monkey39128]

@@mathewdebol923 It does seem kind of pointless when they've got so many Universes Beyond sets they could still do.

[@7Alberto7]

Here since half 2018,Rudy and this channel (comments included),cha ged my life my mentality and my confidence,i must be grateful everyday for what a learned here and i'm gonna stay here everyday learning even more every time,thanks Taco King thanks a lot Stay the course people,stay in your carrot hole keep hoarding,let the market noise out,live love and stay awesome,alwais

[@SnotFroth]

As a player and collector I love flat or negative markets. The more prices drop, the more I can buy. Players first, speculators second.

[@delathenleso5793]

b-b-bu-but think about Rudy and his INVESTOR MASTER RACE! Poor man Rudy can't make money if people actually PLAY with their cards in their cardgame!

[@fuwa9616]

Okay, but you will never own the reserved list and the only way prices will drop fast is if your game comes to an end.

[@fuwa9616]

@@delathenleso5793 What is it with these timmies inventing imaginary scenario in their heads to justify the fact that your losing?

[@delathenleso5793]

@@fuwa9616 Uh, Dude, Rudy at Alpha Investing has, word for word, said exactly that.

[@SnotFroth]

@@fuwa9616 nah. Prices come down if Wizards decides to print more cards. And I'm hoping they do. I'm not interested in collecting the reserved list. I like the new cards more.

[@joelcontreras3419]

The real question is…in 5-7 years will MTG be a thing…and if it is…will it be a thing in you’re life?

[@monkey39128]

Already ditched it. It's just not as popular in the UK as in the US so that made the decision way easier. Sad times.

[@Damienmizerak]

As a seller for 12 years, with my new account I have an issue even with over 1.4K sales…. I completely dropped the account after being restricted due to lost envelopes of a shipping service THEY made. Combine that with 12 packages stolen too. But they don’t care, it’s my fault apparently! Even though I got the guy fired who stole them that’s not enough proof for eBay. So! After forever on eBay, I’m going somewhere else

[@NoahCloud_SumZer0]

Esus is a trash service

[@MechaFoxs]

Ebay needs a leadership change.

[@NoahCloud_SumZer0]

@@MechaFoxs this is the end result of pushing free shipping on everyone

[@MichaelSuperbacker]

19:12 I’m here, I’m still watching 👍

[@MTGUnpacked]

Fun Rudy ramble! Been watching since 2017, and the cyclical nature of all this is obvious. Magic has died so many times since it began, but surely this time it's well and truly done for!😂

[@peterlevasseur1496]

As always love the longform investing content. Appreciate you Rudy

[@daltonchaney1504]

Been around since the massive khans and fate reforged opening days. Maybe a bit before? You were still small but I remember we were in the review of the sets and of foils being treated as gravy or bonus. This video, feels like back then. Feels like Origins. Appreciate the video Rudy.

[@Barrager69]

Can we get large sample sizes for Sorcery box openings?

[@penguinlust6749]

BGS won't correct their errors, so I wouldn't touch their slabs at this point. They are circling the proverbial, er, drain -- it's just a matter of time until they are finally flushed down for good unless they course correct, and I think they are too stupid to fix things.

[@madjoe8622]

I fully agree. Starfield is a bad game, BGS lost its way.

[@monkey39128]

@@madjoe8622 🤣🤣🤣

[@monkey39128]

I've noticed their slabs have got really cheap lately. It might get to the point where it's worth buying them, cracking them and sending them to PSA.

[@mendithebeast4851]

Not enough people were around for Pokémon bathroom era

[@7Alberto7]

I was there,EPIC

[@adamkaneshiro]

ebay is a trap right now. between them and paypal its so risky buying or selling. i miss the glory days, it was the best thing since sliced bread back when you could buy and sell with trust and confidence! never fully understand how good you have it until shit gets so fucked you rather skip the site all together. so many scammers getting away with things online it is sickening!

[@chesterfieldthe3rd929]

I had to stop buying from Amazon last year cuz any collectors boxes with a serialized chance would show up open on my doorstep with bulk in the packs. They are pathetic people who do that.

[@monkey39128]

Wait do eBay still use PayPal? Here in the UK they ditched PayPal. Everyone just pays by card now.

[@ilhamisa2614]

Whats the risk you talking about with paypal/ebay? Honest question here.

[@GrandDungeonDad]

I got my ebay account perma banned for refusing to ship an item that had not been paid for yet. No thanks ill keep my stuff and sell it on fb marketplace or craigslist

[@RemiWR86]

What camera are you using if you don't mind?

[@JJEMTT]

Metazoo? 👀 SCATTER! (I don't even know what Metazoo is or what he's talking about, eating increasingly more powerful crayons or something...)

[@lotoex]

At 6% compounding that will be a 33.8% return. So that $100 set box shipped need to get you more than $133.80 in 5 years (after you pay shipping). Five years ago was Guilds of Ravnica (Guess I've been playing Magic longer than I thought). They are $104 on TCG player shipped right now. Maybe Guilds was more like $80 a box (I don't remember) so that would be $107. So ya still underperforming a 6% compounding and vastly underperforming the S&P's 61.36%

[@Chris-qj8ms]

stay the course

[@ohchinchindaisuke1927]

I have been a fan of your channel since 2018 because a friend of mine recommended. I have been watching for almost 6 years.

[@DadofCheems]

Time to move towards other things. Stay safe and careful in this reality.

[@atragonx7939]

You need a "Rudy's Going to Zero" shirt.

[@ianmoone3323]

Love these honest videos. Very few people who will tell you things straight up to your face.

[@The-Entelechy]

I would prefer the secondary market to dip. I don't mind collectors items being specifically made for people to whale on, but I hate when it bleeds into playable sets that just came out. I see it with yugioh a lot and of course all the other tcgs during the 2020 era. I just want products and can buy cheaply to actually play. If you want an investment, go into stocks or housing.

[@monkey39128]

Yu-Gi-Oh balances it quite well. They reprint everything playable but put the Ghost rares, Starlight rares etc in there for collectors. Mind you Yu-Gi-Oh can afford to do that because their boxes are cheap. You can't have cheap cards in a $150-500 Magic box or no-one would buy it.

[@The-Entelechy]

@@monkey39128 yea they're doing it well recently with the legendary collection reprint, and I hope that transfers to main sets. I agree about Wizard's making a box sellable, and I would say that's already solved with pokemon's multiple rarities in the same sets. You can have the high priced cards, but they don't diminish the affordability when it comes to playing.

[@twoferone5729]

Love your content, been watching for years, I remember your take on Bitcoin before the blow up 7/8 years ago and when you opened up the brick and mortar shop! Discovering your channel was a breath of fresh air!

[@VPB1218]

Sorcery Beta is amazing I’m a huge fan. Had no idea you had a family, that’s really cool dude. Also really big Rudy fan. If magic dies I hope this channel doesn’t. Everyone says it will fail, which means it’s the time to buy in.

[@fanfei9405]

Totally agree with you, in this because we love the card boards! Just had most fun opening a BG3 set booster box knowing well I am going to loose money. Still, love opening packs, looking at the artworks and characters and foils, also enjoyed sleeve them and put them into binders.😍

[@benlee2659]

I sold out this week. I sold all my modern border cards last November and sold all my high end stuff other than my two legacy and two premodern decks last weekend. All that I have left other than my 4 decks are bulk cards in long white boxes I need to figure out what to do with.

[@zap7759]

It's finally time to play the game. Put the micro paintings into use, their only use, like a man would.

[@arkerness7754]

We remember Hour of Devastating Your Wallet

[@monkey39128]

Nice one Rudy. Love the market chat videos.

[@KyleBaran90]

Always enjoy the macroeconomic perspective

[@trusty099]

Your hair actually looks quite presentable in this video, congratulations.

[@WandererNamedGuy]

I admire these warehouse talks, not easy talking about data and facts. It’s a hobbie for the vast majority (mtg/tcg in general) so it’s hard to take the reality or “behind the counter” talk sometimes. Can ruin the magic we all gather together but is a necessity of longevity to any community.

[@Mediax5]

Been here off and on since 2017. I miss what magic was.

[@Crytical8494]

Been here since the early days. Didn’t invest in magic then, still don’t now… why am I still here? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@backinblackghost98]

At one point this was such a great backdrop and now its just depressing 😢

[@monkey39128]

It's amazing how quickly a company can damage their legacy. I really hope that Pokémon never goes public.

[@michaeledwards1644]

Taylor Swift beat me to becoming a billionaire but the tortuis always catches the hare in the end..god bless

[@monkey39128]

Taylor Swift is hot. Bit tall for me though. I'd need a ladder.

[@vaderwashere365]

Rudy is doing a lot of smelling his own farts here lol. He has often compared sealed MTG to the S&P 500. I am hoping he is smart enough to never say a specific product will beat the S&P 500 (pretty close in his Collector box claims in this video though - over 2x in 5 years is likely better than the S&P 500), but he has compared it many times. He also thinks only people who play MTG are investing in sealed, when his channel is extremely responsible for people who know nothing about playing MTG buying up sealed product. I have sold so many boxes to people saying they don't play, but Rudy/Alpha Investments say this is a good box. Also, it was likely very few people who said Rudy and PCG would fail. Card grading being propped up by a popular KZbinr will do just fine - like many other random businesses sponsored by XYZ influencer. It is likely just as few people who say PCG are the best slabs they have ever felt, which is probably blown out of proportion as many of the submitters have likely never submitted before - or else they wouldn't go PCG. Rudy deals in pure hyperbole, he always says he is right because the only other opinion is "everything is going to zero". Anyone with any sense knows that it is possible to be in between... no PCG isn't going to fail, but also, no it isn't a great grading service. Rudy recommending every sealed product doesn't mean "everything is going to zero", but it also doesn't mean that every product recommendation makes sense. Again, I always applaud Rudy for what he has done - in business and for MTG's exposure - and I have been watching his channel for entertainment for 5+ years. However, I really hope he starts taking on a better leadership role in the hobby and understand that he shouldn't swing the market - as it is terrible for the hobby. For an example, look at his Dr Who Collector box video where he talks about limited print run and that it is a good deal. Dr Who Collector shot up $60 a box the next day on TCG Player. Many of his Patreon subscribers and KZbin loyalists bought up boxes for inflated prices, and now you can get them for $200 or less. Yes, long-term it might be worth it for them to spend $250-$270 a box... but it should instead raise a red flags rather than a video smelling his own farts.

[@sithbricks_66]

You’re right, the hype isn’t there for the new LotR collector boxes. My LGS still has a case and they’re worried it’s going to be dead weight. If you track it on TCG Player you can see that it’s about $278 but I don’t think it’ll bottom till about $250. Bad marketing, 1 of 1 Ring burnout, brutal return on value and hard to get serialized cards (which is expected) have soured many people to the set. At my LGS there’s only 2 of us buying the new LotR product regularly. Granted this plays to my benefit cause I’m not buying till it gets below $260.

[@WBell]

Im curious about when the over printing started? I know that it was common by the time we got to late 2021. I really liked Stixhaven, im wonder if it was over done as well. Im guessing its likely.

[@dannydevito4338]

Return to Ravnica in 2012 marked the change in print runs. Print-To-Demand became a thing. Edit: used to be anything pre RTR was all but guaranteed to go up but nowadays WotC will reprint anything, at any time and do it as many times as they want. Combine that with power creep and less and less people drafting the old boxes have lost their appeal. The expected value has always been low on the older (expensive) boxes but now it’s even lower AND nobody is drafting

[@thesoundofzilla]

It all began when they started to create products outside of draft boxes. So during our first trip to Eldraine in late 2019.

[@Volkbrecht]

Standard sets have been print to demand for a long time now. Whenever people bought more, WotC printed more. Strixhaven, for instance, really hit that sweet spot with me, so I bought quite a lot more than usual. Don't worry, none of it is sealed any more ;) When you think about "overprinting", you need to limit your focus to the specialty sets. The Masters/Remastered, and, most recently Universes Beyond. Also the Un-Sets, or stuff like Conspiracy/Battlebond. These were "limited print run", but it's left to us to speculate what "limited" might mean. It doesn't make sense to speculate about Standard set print runs. They were all huge.

[@johnjackson2834]

Rudy is saving his pennies to go large on the reserved list. The trick is judging the bottom.

[@kfresh2177]

I'm a Rudy and a SCR supporter so keep it coming! I appreciate what you bring keep it coming and hopefully I can get the next beta release from you.

[@zellcrs]

I want to see rudy talk about boogies magic shop deal in the documentary, and missed opportunity to just have rudy on that side of the table, crushing a timmies dreams of tendies

[@MongoMinutes]

3% to 5% growth is what's expected, that's what I remember

[@MongoMinutes]

I'm pretty sure Rudy is a genius, but he's addicted to cardboard like the rest of us timmys

[@monkey39128]

@@MongoMinutes He is indeed. 😂

[@AArdW01f]

Homie pulling a Nathan Rothschild on the BoE. Brilliant dawg 👏

[@IanWeaver]

Here's the bottom line, Rudy. And take what I'm about to say with whatever amount of salt you need. Magic needs players. People who actually play the game are the people who sustain the game. And right now, people aren't playing magic like they used to. You need people investing in Standard decks. Going to tournaments and playing. You need people diving into Pioneer and Modern and Legacy because they liked the metagame standard and limited provided. You need people building their commander decks from new cards and buying boxes of cardboard to make new decks. Nobody. And I mean NOBODY is doing that for the GAME aspect now. Right now, magic is a collector's market, not a player's market. Now, collectors can sustain magic for a while. And I think its gonna be a couple of years before we start to see a downturn in sales of boxes. But it is currently trending out the door. This is what will inevitably kill magic: The excitement of PLAYING THE GAME is gone. Did the pandemic kill it? Did removing pro play kill it? Are LGS' killing it? Amazon? Local tournaments? Arena? WOTC only shilling for whales? The economy? Inflation? Prices going up? Truly, it is a combination of all of these. But if people wanted to actually PLAY the game, literally none of that would matter. Magic is dying because people don't want to play or can't play. I'm not going to be a doomsayer and say "Magic is dead" or "Magic is dying and it can't be saved." But Magic IS DYING. Investors and collectors can keep this going for a bit. But we need players to come back soon. Otherwise magic will die. And it's gonna stick this time.

[@ericperry2032]

18:03 Best Rudy comment ever.

[@bryanbergman548]

Rudy, love the updates and once over the world on all that is cardboard. You can love him or hate him, but damn he keeps people interested in the collectibles market.

[@alexanderhoffman7122]

Draft, sealed, and cube is all I enjoy. Sadly if I put what spent into limited into commander and modern staples, lands etc, I'd have some excellent decks to play at my LGS. Commander especially seems like alot of fun.

[@CUTS_cards]

Finally got to play sorcery this past weekend… oh my gosh it is a WONDERFUL game.

[@rovvy221]

saw the AL weiss price from the AL page(most generous gacha ever) my jaw dropped and glad Rudy was surprised as well.

[@MasterShake300]

Hey man, do you have Weis Blue Archive?

[@FunkyBazaar]

What i don't get about "game pieces" is that you would have to open about 5 set booster boxes just to get enough game piece basic lands to make a deck so wtf are they talking about

[@madquest8]

Eating Taco's and the end of supermarket investing. Yummy!

[@johnwillis8223]

Nice, I sold my Magic 30 box for $1700 months ago!

[@monkey39128]

It might be a crap product but that's a solid gain. Nice one.

[@Vescense]

What's funny, I have 3 other friends I play magic and cedh with weekly... we all just sold our collections and bought sealed sorcery contested realm. No regrets. The game is amazing.

[@RaiusFastner-sc8vd]

Excited for them to come out with an official 4 player variant in the next year

[@Vescense]

@RaiusFastner-sc8vd drew up a 3 player variant based off a 3 player chess board today, worked amazing!

[@Arcrobes]

Draft booster boxes for the last 3-4 years of magic are all under $100 on tcg. My friends and zu have never had more fun hosting sealed magic nights once a month. We take turns picking a set and hosting a game night

[@blakenape]

Will the metazoo promo pack be only for patrons?

[@FrozenMopars]

Let's get a few more fancy Channel videos!

[@619Slipk]

Adding up the words of the sets in the background it says Able Saviors Besieged Rudy is sending us subliminal messages

[@1997CARDSxx]

I miss when this was looked at as a hobby and not looked at with even the thought of an “investment”. I don’t even like calling it a hobby I just like collecting f*cking cards!

[@NoahCloud_SumZer0]

Amen

[@markusbetts]

Amen

[@patrickbateman69420]

You better move on soon then, or you'll be stuck getting angry about it forever

[@fuwa9616]

Sorry to say, but the inherent collectable nature and scarcity of them gave the cards higher value from the very beginning, and since cash is tanking, any appreciating asset class becomes an investment.

[@hearmth6618]

Magic: the Gambling 🎰

[@kasper1787]

love the family tie in rudy

[@livelucky74]

I think LOTR boxes will be a popular christmas present.

[@ArgosAnon]

Haha the crayon eater promo sounds amazingly hilarious

[@rorobear1940]

Magic market is in the toilet, meanwhile Lorcana is on fire. Lorcana is the future