Why didn't all CAVALRY use LANCES?

Looking at some of the advantages of cavalry lances, and considering why not all cavalry used them.
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[@ModernKnight]

Nice to hear you explore this area.

[@andytopley314]

Good to see you here, now I'm thinking a collaboration re 'Polearm vs Lancer

[@PalleRasmussen]

Collaboration coming up soon?

[@user-yc2kn6ww7i]

my question is that why during the 30 years war，lances became rare to see but reappeard in 19th century？

[@neoaliphant]

Sir Kingsley, could you do a video showing the lance extractiontechniques , perhaps against a maniquin.

[@vinceblasco]

It’s a bit weird to now to think of cavalry with sabers and semiautomatic pistols but the Colt 1911 had a grip safety because the US Cavalry wanted a semiautomatic pistol that wouldn’t accidentally go off while on horseback.

[@petem6755]

The original 1911 also had a strap connection for if you dropped it, like for Calvary that would be especially important

[@benlewis4241]

A big argument in the UK pre-WW1 was whether to give cavalry pistols- the US Army was a great believer of "saddle fire" i.e. opening fire with pistols on the charge. The British army felt that trying to aim from a galloping horse was an exercise in futility.

[@bernardfrederic6535]

Even more evident, the Austro/Hungarian Roth-Steyr with double action only, developed specially for cavalry only.

[@johanrunfeldt7174]

@@benlewis4241 And then they went on to pioneer shooting on the go with tank guns.

[@benlewis4241]

@@johanrunfeldt7174 The British put in shoulder mounts, the French sat the commander on a saddle inside the turret and the Americans built a fancy gyroscope. I think the Soviets and Nazi's just decided to leave the crazy to the west this time. The reason why we were so obsessed with mobile firepower in tanks is actually more due to the Naval heritage in the Royal Tank Corps, doctrine imagined tanks would operate like ships out of protected "harbours" and try to cut the other side off from supply convoys while trying to prevent the enemy from doing the same to them, engaging in fast paced battles of manoeuvrer, we were very literal in our borrowing of naval terminology when we talked about squadrons of "cruiser" tanks!

[@juzma94]

My grandfather was a hussar in the late 20s early 30s in the northwest frontier and was issued a 1908 pattern along with his Enfield. I was told the only time he used the sword in anger was to hit a local on the head with the flat of the blade to deter a forming crowd.

[@randisgreen]

That's wild!

[@kevinsmith9013]

Hilarious!

[@benlewis4241]

To be fair it is something which is inadvisable to do with a rifle.

[@thomashyle6098]

this is made to seem harmless but is pretty close to the way USAmerican troops used their swords in the later 19th and early 20th centuries; the complained about them quite a bit vis a vis having to carry them when they were rarely used in combat; they were however frequently used for 'crowd control' against civilians, usually on Black or native crowds.

[@benlewis4241]

@@thomashyle6098 Properly used a sword can deliver a blow that is stinging but not outright dangerous, used improperly you have the Peterloo massacre. Crowd control would have a long way to come before it resembled what we take for granted today

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Don't forget cavalry archers, they rarely used the lance since the sword is just a more versatile and portable backup. The reach of a lance is nullified with the range of the bow. Cavalry archers were important for thousands of years but of course were rare by the 19th century.

[@jamielondon6436]

That's pretty much the same logic as for firearms, I suppose …

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@jamielondon6436 with thouands of more years of history than firearms in the context of cav warfare

[@jamielondon6436]

@@HistoricalWeapons Obviously. :-)

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@jamielondon6436 but ignored in this video

[@jamielondon6436]

@@HistoricalWeapons Good point.

[@egm01egm]

Speaking of cavalry in 20th century it had quite big role in Civil war on remnants of Russian empire 1917-1922. Moreover, there were all kinds of cavalry: European pattern dragoons, kossaks, middle Asia native cavalry. All parties of this civil war were short of ammunition for some reasons.

[@benlewis4241]

Don't forget China too! Cavalry played a pretty important role in the north. The trick is to just imagine a horse as an all terrain vehicle which eats grass instead of petrol. Tactically speaking it was the loss of easy availability (both of the animals themself and the housemastership) rather than the machine gun which ended the military use of horses. All-terrain vehicles where actually surprisingly rare in the Second World War until Jeeps really started churning out for the allies. After 1942 the Wehrmacht was forced to pull its motor vehicles from its infantry reconnaissance regiments for horse and bicycles. The Red Army had created horse breeding studs throughout the '30's and maintained horse cavalry on the front line even after taking Berlin.

[@CalinCETERAS]

Also, a horse unit without special horse food is greatly slowed down (horses must browse for food). Meanwhile, a mechanized unit without petrol is fully stopped.

[@miceliusbeverus6447]

During 2WW Polish cavalry was effective on defence (but they typically dismounted to fight and were equipped with anti-tank cannons), and also performed several successful surprise charges (not on tanks; this was Nazi propaganda). Later on the East Front both sides were using cavalry in the south; as "poor man's panzer units" (for their agility). And near the end of the war (1 Mar 1945) a small unit of Polish cavalry made a successful charge on positions formerly attacked without success by infantry and tanks!!! (It was a peculiar situation; cavalry were performing a surprise attack and had to run a relatively short distance; Germans did not have enough machine guns to resist fast moving cavalrymen). As you see, properly used cavalry can remain dangerous surprisingly long... Just like an ancient sword can still dispatch a modern soldier 😏

[@briansmith8632]

Hope you recover quickly. IIRC, to be considered proficient in basic training French lancers of the Napoleonic wars were trained to 'give point' in all directions -- including directly behind them (by laying back over the horses rear and thrusting over the riders' heads). At some point in the period the French decided to only have the front rank of lancers actually use the lance - since during the melee following a charge, they were felt to be an encumbrance, and the sword or pistols were preferred.

[@dariuszjanicki4268]

That's true. The French lancers copied Polish way of lance fencing.

[@salavat294]

The Great Patriotic War era the Soviet Red Army still had active Cossack units. Their weapons kit included pistols, carbine/sub-machine gun, lance, and sabre or shashka. Some of the native Siberian steppe Mongolic fellows brought their bows along, these were particularly useful for obtaining game to supplement rations, and for quietly remove sentries during night raids. These units were primarily used for infiltration behind enemy lines, partisan support, and high mobility diversionary lightning raids.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I feel a bow is NOT going to quietly remove anyone. You get stuck with an arrow there's plenty of time to scream. :D

[@salavat294]

@@MrBottlecapBill : Not if the arrow is poisoned and you are shot in the throat.

[@itinerantpoet1341]

@@MrBottlecapBill True, but you're much more likely to go into shock :)

[@jeremiahsmith7924]

Uh, no, it's EXTREMELY rare for someone to be killed instantly by an arrow

[@MacLeodRoy]

Thank you for this. I've often wondered how spears were used on horseback and whether they were a single use weapon once the rider had run their target through. I don't know why I hadn't considered asking YOU all this time as you could've cleared this up for me long ago.

[@elitav5491]

Regarding the introduction of firearms, I think it bears mention that after heavy cavalry charging (not caracolling, though there may be a fluid distinction) with pistols (17th century cuirassiers) they went back to heavy cavalry without pistols (except as backup weapons) charging with sabers or swords at the trot and in dense formation (boot to boot) in the 18th century again (or earlier if we consider royalist cavalry formations from the english civil war - no use of lances, but often successful in charging early parliamentarian infantry or chasing away parliamentarian cavalry. Maybe the reduced number of pikes in favour of shot in infantry formations meant that infantry was less likely to hold position in the face of cavalry anyway, and so a dedicated impact weapon was not considered required anymore? And the lance, when it appears, does so in the hands of cavalry which was not intended for the traditional charge. Cossacks used the lance for light cavlry action like raiding and skirmishing, whereas ulan formations seemed to have been dedicated towards countering the charge cavalry armed with swords.

[@tripogden880]

Best wishes for a speedy recovery and thanks for yet another entertaining and informative video..

[@michellewilt4479]

Hope you have an easy and fast recovery man. Thank you for another great video.

[@zombiehampster1397]

Great video, Matt, sorry to hear about your illness, hope you feel better soon.

[@TheLoneDragoon]

It is very important to make sure you add "tent" to that search...

[@TemenosL]

Aaaaah, Matt! I hope you feel better and recover quickly! A great video, of course! I've always found the whole treatment of what exactly happens after the moment of lance impact to be fascinating. And it really isn't touched on enough!

[@jackhelm9852]

Wow, you muscled through this while dealing with Covid! OutSTANDING. Thank you, always love to hear your talks.

[@mightyzeus1e]

Best wishes for a speedy recovery!!

[@johnwyatt2701]

Very interesting video. I hope you and the family fair well and recover quickly.

[@juvenal8929]

Great video as always. Take care and get well soon.

[@presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889]

Matt has the most precise and straightforward introductions.

[@bartmilcarz]

Totally agree with Matt. Great video. Hope you will get better soon

[@Spear_of_the_Raven_Ash]

Great coverage of contextual use of the lance vs sword! Also, Happy New Year and here's to your rapid recovery!

[@johnchao2422]

Thank you for making this video! I have often wondered this very question

[@lancerd4934]

I think something that often get neglected about cavalry in the modern period is that they saw a lot of service off the battlefield. Foraging and policing were just as much a part of the job of cavalryman as combat, and for those tasks a lance just isn't as useful as a sword.

[@brittakriep2938]

Patroling roads against partisans, escorting convois, scouting, messengers, fast mobile units. What do you do against persons jumping in a ditch, climbing a tree, a person standing in second floor ( english system) / first floor ( german system) without using firearms?

[@lancerd4934]

@@brittakriep2938 I'm not sure what point you're making, since I was talking about lance vs sword, but there are written accounts of cavalry dismounting to deal with these circumstances with swords, as well as simply setting fire to the building or tree and apprehending or killing the person as they try to escape the smoke and flames.

[@brittakriep2938]

@@lancerd4934 : I simply described, what remaining cavallry in after 1914 mostly did. And i described, what could be done with a lance , when cavallry was used in violent riots.

[@miceliusbeverus6447]

Great job! One thing worth adding is that proper use of lance requires much practice; you could a bit compare it to the longbow versus musket situation; as long as even until the Crimean War a well trained bowman could actually prove deadlier than a powder weapon shooter... When Napoleon saw Polish lancers in action (not the winged hussars of course, rather uhlans and such), he was so impressed that he created a whole sub-genre of cavalry to copy that (and other armies followed). It proved a hard task to do though and to the end of the Napoleonic Era Polish lancers maintained their reputation as the "genuine" lancers... Heck, reading some descriptions even of recent fights in Afghanistan and such, a person is impressed how well pretty ancient weapons can do in certain situations... To the point that made me wonder if a properly trained unit of swordsmen could not pose a lethal threat under some circumstances... I believe they might; it's just the time and cost of training them to use such a weapon to its full potential that wouldn't be worth its practical benefits... Everything in life comes at a cost and is subject to some compromise after all... As a side note; not necesserily shafts for long lances are cheap or easy to acquire... In the times of the first Polish Commonwealth for instance, there were special areas dedicated to growing proper trees to make lances of them - and just growing, but growing in a proper way, forcing plants to form long and straight stems... This, as you can imagine, didn't make hussars' equipment cheaper... But it was well worth it; it was not uncommon for hussars of the era to kill a few pikemen (standing behind each other) with a single hit of the dreadful lance... Cheers 😊

[@philipkelly7369]

Another great video, thanks Mr. Easton

[@ZeroSalvator]

Get Well soon Matt, great discussion on cavalry techniques and tactics.

[@forkingdom-side3049]

You are the greatest historian I know. love to learn!

[@jan-eric-schacht]

German lances in the imperial army were made of steel tubes with small flags close to the top to avoid too deep penetration. In addition, the lances had a kind of leather belt so, the soldier could wear it when it was not used or the sword or the carabine rifle was the preferred weapon.

[@Kaylielffxi]

Good info! Feel well soon!

[@kman1426]

Always enjoy your videos. Hope you get well soon.

[@BlandMarkComedy]

Great stuff as always. Get well soon.

[@ThePalacios123]

you always read my mind man, I think something and then you talk about it!

[@robertrobert7924]

Dragoons, Mounted Rifles, and mounted infantry were all used as multipurpose troops the way you described them. Especially by US mounted troops West of the Mississippi River before the Civil War. All were absorbed into the future US Cavalry. In the 1930s there were still State National Guard units of Horse Cavalry that became mechanize units in WW2. I knew a gentleman who was in a Horse Cavalry MD NG unit. He worked for Glen L Martin Co. that designed and built aircraft during WW2. He had a military deferment because his civilian job was too important for him to be drafted.

[@mpetersen6]

Listen to the two part talk on the Chieftain's channel about US armored doctrine up to 1942. The Cavalry Branch was very resistant.

[@robertrobert7924]

@@mpetersen6 Thx

[@l.s.9095]

There is also the thing, that lances (in western european military doctrine) were seen as inferior to pistols from the late 16th century into 18th when it came to direct cavalry on cavalry action.This believe originated in the French Wars of Religion were catholic Gendarmes (heavy lance-wielding cavalry) were repeatedly beaten by protestant cavalry armed with Pistol(s), hand weapons and a - generally speaking - lighter armour. These "Reiter"-style units (Reiter=german for horsemen - called that way because large parts of the protestant cavalry were german protestant lesser noblemen (which were btw. too poor to afford a "proper" equipment like the french had and thus fought in this way)) were, because of this perceived success, then emulated all over western Europe and turned over time into the cuirassiers that we all know. Funny thing is of cause that cavalry, which charged “with steel in hand” (meaning they would waste no time on shooting pistols before “impact”) often prevailed against their pistol-shooting opponent (like for example the Swedish cavalry did in the 30ty years’ war or the Royalist cavalry in the beginning of the English CW).

[@brittakriep2938]

At early stages of ,Thirty Years War' the last ,Lanzierer' appeared. Those Reiter ( Kürisser), why horsemen when rider is possible, used only a ,Halbharnisch' ( in really 3/4) but at least a pair of pistols, often more. After 1630 pistol shooting ( catacole) became rarer, the closed helmet was replaced by Zyschäge ( orientalische Sturmhaube), also arm- and legpieces had been rarer used.

[@albertrayjonathan7094]

To elaborate, the dynamic is almost like a rock-paper-scissors game. Armored Lance-type cavalry typically shatters sword armed cavalry on the charge, with the lance outreaching the sword and the sword unable to penetrate decent armor. However, pistol-type cavalry can often defeat Lance-type cavalry on the charge because their pistols are often capable of penetrating armor (and even if a penetration is not achieved, the blunt force trauma is often debilitating) and outreached a lance besides, so the primary impact advantage of a lance is completely defeated. On the other hand, once both cavalry bodies merge in a melee, a one-shot empty pistol is a useless encumbrance, thus when a sword-type cavalry force has the mettle to charge at a pistol-type with steel in hand, the sword-type cavalry would often overcome the pistol-type cavalry, even with the initial damage caused by a volley of pistol fire. The key here is that the lance may not deal as much damage as reliably as a pistol, but the lance does have a superior psychological impact. A general can reliably expect for a body of infantry to charge a force of musketeers, as done regularly in late 18th to early 19th century. However, a general cannot reliable expect any body of infantry to charge a block of ready pikemen, even though in practice a forest of pikes does not deal nearly as much damage and casualties as a volley of musket balls. The same psychological effect can be seen with cavalry armed with a lance. When two bodies of cavalry collide, a sword-armed cavalry force will not press home the charge at a lance-armed cavalry force, and thus the lance-armed cavalry force will often win by default. However, the same body of sword-armed cavalry will press home the charge at a pistol-armed cavalry force, just as musketeers with bayonets often pressed home their charge against the opposing musketeers but will never dare to do so against the wall of pikes a pike block can present. The psychological advantage that the lance-armed cavalry force possessed is not very relevant against a pistol-armed cavalry force, since the pistol-armed cavalry force will out-range and shoot the lance-armed cavalry force first, disrupting their formation (and thus, their psychological shock ability) before impact, and the advantage of causing significant damage before impact would often allow the pistol-armed cavalry force to overcome the lance-armed cavalry force in the melee. Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. The Polish Winged Hussars were notorious for violating basically everything I just said. They often broke pistol-armed, sword-armed, and even opposing lance-armed cavalry with their own charge. They could even successfully charge pike blocks from the front and win. The Winged Hussars are the most glaring exception of the general dynamic I described.

[@HaNsWiDjAjA]

@@albertrayjonathan7094 Well the Winged Hussars carried all those weapons on horseback: a lance, a saber, a koncerz/pallash, multiple pistols and occasionally carbines as well! They used whichever ones was most suited for the occassion, for example against the Tartars the lance was not used. Which explained their tremendous versatility and success, while they lasted.

[@jackcarson4052]

I remember that different cavalry manuals in the early 19th century had specific sword techniques, of which there were usually around 30 to learn for any variety of horseman. You can read accounts of British cavalrymen from around that time talking about how they wounded their opponent with "a number three cut" or something like that. As for lancers, I believe there were something like 55 distinct lance techniques if memory serves, nation dependent. There are only so many hours a day one can train. There's wear on horses, men, equipment etc and plenty of administrative tasks to be done within a given period. Dragoons were often said to have wobbly horsemanship and middling swordsmanship compared to their other counterparts, but they had to stay competent in infantry drills too, often to the detriment of some of their cavalry skills. One has to wonder how handy with firearms a lancer would have been. No one can master everything, hence different cavalry types for different tasks. Additionally, there are all sorts of administrative and logistic constraints to take into account. How expensive is it to make x number of lances and transport them over however many miles to sustain the operations of a troop of lancers? What's the expenditure rate of lances for a troop in combat as opposed to one on regular duty? All these things need to be figured out and accommodated for. At the end of the day it may have just been easier for countries without an established lancer tradition to forego them all together and arm their cavalry with swords, or farm them out from other nations.

[@patrickdusablon2789]

First things first, I hope you will recover well from COVID and have no lasting effects. Second, I really like how you pointed out that in later periods, cavalry was really mounted infantry. And in a way, it reminds me of the use of mounted archers by the English in the Hundred Years War, and in fact of English tactics in general after a certain point. Sure, men-at-arms and knights could fight mounted if need be, but mostly they fought on foot. And you can't use a 6 foot war bow from horseback.

[@austinhoward6557]

Hope you feel better soon mate! My brother and uncle both got covid back in december, and they're doing mostly better now.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Because not all cavalry are heavy shock cavalry troops. Some are skirmishers, others are ranged cavalry with bows or muskets, among others.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

Having a lance doesn't mean you can't use a missile weapon. Uhlans/Chevau-légers literally evoled from formation that used bows/carabines, lances and sabres. Before that there were many. many different cavalry formations that were using bows and lances going as far back as antiquity.

[@Intranetusa]

Heavily armored Iranian cataphracts, Mongol heavy lancers, and Polish Winged Hussars often carried bows despite being heavy cavalry. Bows are not mutually exclusive to lancers and other heavy cavalry melee weapons.

[@aggroalex5470]

Mounted archery could be called a Genghis drive by. The sport looks like some skill is required.

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

@@Intranetusa Winged Hussars for the most part did not carry bows with them, especially not when using their long lances. Instead other Polish cavalry formation: "Pancerni" was doing exactly that.

[@bustinmcdank8429]

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[@markthervguy]

My grandfather was a NY National Guard Calvary noncom officer. It was the last US National Guard Calvary Regiment in US history.

[@stephena1196]

I think one of the reasons Britain retains the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment is their potential use as crowd control for breaking up marches, or protests.

[@Simon_Nonymous]

Brilliant - one of your best. Earl Haig approves of your summary, and we hope the COVID passes quickly and leaves you ready for 2022.

[@iray3242]

This was a very thought provoking video within the context of the late 19th and early 20th century as an American. To my knowledge, the use of the lance was never widely used by US forces, even though it was still widely used by western counterparts. This is in a period where calvary was still extensively used by the US but it's as if the lance wasn't even an option.

[@acethesupervillain348]

If you want to embark on a fun mystery, try to look up Ancient/Medieval Chinese spears and lances. Difficult to find out what they really look like and what the various Chinese words for "spear" and "lance" actually refer to, as just like with "jian" and "dao" they have multiple words for "spear" that refer to features we don't highlight in western languages.

[@Intranetusa]

Yeh. I've seen the Warring States to Han Dynasty weapon "Pi" described as a long lance, a pike, a spear, a swordstaff, etc. Of course, the weapon could've evolved just like the terminology.

[@Sk0lzky]

Fun fact: one of the very few regulated (banned) weapons in 1920s-1930s Poland were lances. I guess it had something to do with the fact there's no civilian purpose for owning them according to the legislators 5:40 this kind of use is shown as the main method of attacking in a few obscure manuals (as opposed to couching), I'll try to dig them up and send you pictures

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Conclusion, don't travel on horseback when carrying it then. On foot you can call it a spear. Civilian use are for boar hunting. 😉

[@Sk0lzky]

@@michaelpettersson4919 i bet some people would just dismount when seeing a police officer lol

[@johnladuke6475]

Carrying a pointy stick on foot? "Constructive Posession of a Lance"

[@dennisasper6742]

sorry to hear you have covid.hope you have a speedy and complete recovery.

[@navigator5426]

The greatest disadvantage to a lancer on horseback, is the fact that, according to Physics, once a lance penetrates a target, there will be some energy transfered back into the lance etc. And,when in Combat on a horse, a horse is most vulnerable when it is still. So during a Cavalry Charge with horses if the horse slows down on impact or even comes to a standstill, then there are issues of Vulnerability. A still horse on the battle field is at it's greatest disadvantage. And one thing that I recall from my Studies in Medieval History, World History, and Military history is there were two events that according to Historians, really had a big effect on Warfare and the use of Cavalry were the Battle of Pestonpans and The Battle of Agincourt in France between the English and the French. Gun powder was used in Medieval Warfare at that time and French infantry, in chain mail,got decimated by Welsh Bowmen, who had arrows with arrowheads that resembled modern day bullets. And Where, and I believe it was Agincourt, gun powder in rather primitive Cannon or even hand Cannon etc. Descimated the French forces, a lot of French Nobles died there and that just made it extremely difficult for the French to continue fighting, and it has been sugguested that as news of those events spread, Changes in armor, weapons, use of Cavalry insued. The Changes were not overnight but significant changes ensued.

[@georgethompson1460]

Pretty sure the main reason at agincourt was the trench dug to blunt the french cavalry.

[@navigator5426]

@@georgethompson1460 With all due respect George, the Phsyical evidence sugguests otherwise. Gun powder when it explodes, creates a pressure wave that can damage hearing, freighten horses, etc. The laws of Physics and the observed behavior of horses during the U.S. Civil War under bombardment from an opposing force proves otherwise.

[@bozzskaggs112]

@@georgethompson1460 Wasn't the field wet, muddy, and mucky and also had irregularly placed pits dug to confound the cavalry as well trenches?

[@elenna_alexia]

Sorry to hear you got COVID. I hope you make a quick and full recovery

[@yedrellow]

Thanks for pointing out that it easier to use your lance on the left than the right. I was under the impression it was the opposite and am glad to be corrected.

[@szupryk]

in 20'th century sword or saber would be a backup weapon or for opportunity charge. The base weapon would be actually gun and Cavalry would be mostly Dragoons, so mobile infantry. But when they have the opportunity they would still use charge with melee weapons. As backup or opportunity weapon then a sword would be more convenient to transport and take with you every day.

[@thomashyle6098]

the gun was the replacement for the lance; you don't adopt the new version and still keep the old; same reason rock and roll bands don't usually feature trumpets as part of their basic lineup (trumpets were largely replaced by guitars in five-piece vocal bands when guitars were electrified).

[@karakan1578]

Awesome. I’ve been wondering about the details of lance use around WW1. Got my answers

[@Zakuznapper]

I think you make a great point there at the end, fire arms really became integrated in light(or relatively) cavalry charges early on. There was of course the Caracole tactic with units like the Reiters; fire, get out, reload and the return. And also the ‘fire and charge with drawn swords’ like the Hakkapeliitta. And units that dismounted as well. And through out mobility and harassment was arguably as important as how they were armed. But of course the arms need to get the job done. And that would depend.

[@TyLarson]

Good luck Matt. My wife just got over Covid and went back to work yesterday. It was rough.

[@neilcampbell9383]

Good effort Matt with the COVID and all. Hope that you are feeling better. Any good first hand accounts from India of sabre versus lance?

[@glennnanod3160]

Take care and get well.

[@karnovtalonhawk9708]

thx Mat again nice well thought out CONTEXT to a problem. hope you get over the covid without any long term effects

[@asdffdsa4520]

Fantastic luck, I was just asking myself this the other day!

[@vyr01]

Now for a video on hafting and securing the heads of spears, poleaxes, and other polearms on the hafts. Type of wood, depth of socket, circumference of socket/haft, flanges, number and type of pins, etc.... (used a drawing from the Mary Rose exhibit for my personal experimenting) ---- Also get well soon

[@kristianheidmann5315]

"So, what's better for cavalry, a lance or a sword?" "Yes."

[@MartinGreywolf]

As far as late Austria-Hungary goes, the cavalry didn't use lances at all in its regular army. The cavalry was divided into three types, Uhlans, Dragoons and Hussars. While Uhlans did carry lances historically, and still did in IIRC German army, AH replaced it with a sabre in late 1800s. Entire AH cavalry forces did use a unified equipment, actually: sabre and Mannlicher carabine (50 rounds) for the men, sabre and Rast und Gasser revolver (30 rounds) for the officers. Maybe there were some surplus-armed lancers, but I can only find lances in pre-1884-sabre switch, even in the hands of volunteers. The info can, for once, also be found in English in J. Lucas: Fighting Troops of the Austro-Hungarian Army 1868-1914

[@nirfz]

It can even be found on german wikipedia pages that the Ulans (who were the only ones using lances before in A and later A-H) dropped the lances in 1884.

[@brianreddeman951]

Nice timing with Chieftan's video on US Armor doctrine. Officers in the US military were really unwilling to switch to armored vehicles. In hindsight it all seems really silly but back then armored warfare wasn't really settled yet.

[@cm275]

A fellow man of culture.

[@lancerd4934]

I mean, you have to feel sorry for them. They signed up to ride prancing steeds into glorious combat with the wind in their hair like the knights of storybooks, not squat in a cramped, hot, noisy metal box until the blasted contraption throws a track again and they have to jump out and fix it like some glorified mechanic.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

I disagree it doesn't seem silly. Cavalry was infact effective in combat in ww2, even against tanks (see us cavalry in the Philippines or Italian cavalry in east Africa). And as shown in the video cavalry was quiter and more stealthy. Shown in modern times by us special forces useing horses and even entering battle mounted. Its actually a greta pity horse cavalry was abandoned as it was still useful. Retaining horse cavalry was not silly at all.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Also look up Portuguese cavlry in Angola 1966-1975.extremelu effective use of horse cavalry. It was so effective they converted an entire mechanised cavalry battalion into horse cavalry. Or how afgan horse cavalry defeated soviet armor in the soviet afgan war in the 80s. Dropping horse cavalry was a mistake

[@petermuller3995]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 wtf

[@superman9772]

my father was one of the last u.s. horse cavalry officers prior to ww2... lances are great for riding through exposed infantry and swords are great for riding into exposed infantry... and the "patton" 1913 u.s. cavalry "sabre" was used for something to clank about on your saddle... i like the mameluke sword or a good old shashka

[@benjaminodonnell258]

It seems that the classic knight's weapon-set - lance, sword, dagger, supplemented by maces and/or axes - makes a LOT of sense in most situations, until the arrival of firearms.

[@Stephen-uz8dm]

You mean until the change of context

[@pp-wo1sd]

Even in the age of firearms , a western style cavalryman would still carry swords , daggers , warhammers alongside pistols or carbines .

[@brittakriep2938]

@@pp-wo1sd : But in 18th century, maces, axes or warhammers had been mostly only a sign of a higher officer.

[@Stephen-uz8dm]

@@Vroomfondle1066 true

[@rachdarastrix5251]

Pretty much all of those only went out of stile because people stopped wearing helmets, but in ww1 they made a come back because people started wearing helmets.

[@andrewsock1608]

Hope your feeling better soon Matt 😘

[@williamturner6192]

Thank you so much!!!

[@mpetersen6]

Listening to the last Chieftain talk on US Army armored doctrine up to 1942. The US Army came very close to shipping a Cavalry unit to Italy. Of course the last US Atmy cavalry action was in the Philippines in late 41 or early 42.

[@silverjohn6037]

I saw it mentioned in a history book (but haven't been able to confirm it from independent sources) that the last time the US Army was on the receiving end of a cavalry attack was in Korea when a tank company got overrun by a communist unit that caught them in the their night lager without proper sentries.

[@CaptRons18thcentury]

Excellent video…

[@briana7515]

This is my favorite of your video types matt; talking about when and where a weapon is good or bad. You remember the dual axes video, or sword vs axe? lets get it. ps. where is a video about the ROPE DART as a weapon?

[@RavenousInferno]

Feel better Matt.

[@Jim58223]

Hope you get well soon Matt.

[@alicelund147]

The Polish Hussars had lances, sabres AND firearms.

[@Manco65]

Pretty much same with the lancers in the Polish Soviet War.

[@narrowpathofthetruth]

And long cavalry swords called Koncerz, and the brace of pistols, and maces, and..... many more. They were having a lot of weapons. They had to, because Hussars were hit and disengage type of cavalry. Hit and run and charge again and the lance was one use only and they broke on the charge. So you attack with lance and run away if they chace you - you fire the pistols or draw a sword if they are close. Go back... get another lance or pistols and repeat until you win. Sometimes cavalry charged many times. If they broke you slice and dice em with sabres.

[@Diveyl]

@@narrowpathofthetruth Winged Hussars lances were not single use weapon. They were one use if the Hussar was sloppy enough to get his lance broken on first charge. Lances were sturdy enough to run thru a person or even three.

[@narrowpathofthetruth]

@@Diveyl They were empty inside. Yes they went thru few people and then break. That was expected. They were very long, longer than the pikes. They could not be sturdy.

[@S1pike]

Indeed and they fight good, but the Wehrmacht was come with Tanks. And this was the End of the polish cavalry

[@johnbyington3458]

A buddy of mine uses the 1903 British Cavalry Sword in American CW Reenacting. We've called him out on it...he just laughs and rides on 🙂

[@slick_slicers]

I was led to believe that the 1894 pattern British lance had a similar reach to the 1908 pattern sword held with an extended arm. This is because the lance was held by a leather covered grip at a midpoint on the haft. The lace was 2.79m long, half of that is only 1.4m. The 1908 sword is 1.1m, but is held at full arm’s length, where as the lance is tucked under your arm with a bent arm. I’ve certainly read that this was the thinking from around 1904, till the introduction of the 1908.

[@itinerantpoet1341]

I came across a passage in one of Richard F Burton's book where he mentioned that pistols had already displaced sword for effectiveness in cavalry action, but lacked the terror factor that could break an enemy line.

[@EgaoKage]

First of all, I'll be wishing you a speedy recovery! I too currently have COVID and can personally relate. It sucks! On the topic of the video, weren't most "Cavalry" really functioning more as Dragoons, even as far back as the American Revolutionary War?

[@BladeFitAcademy]

Sorry to hear about having the Ghengis Cough. Hopefully it passes quickly.

[@mtgAzim]

It would appear that you're deep in on the road to recovery. Glad to see it! ^_^

[@cathyharrop3348]

HI Matt, Watching you couch that spear leads me to feel you haven't read about the lance drills use in the 1700, 1800, and 1900's. Then the Lance was a weilded weapon, held in the middle and usually balanced and landyarded. Nadezhda Duruva, a Russian women who served in three of that Tsar's cavalry regiments, including a Lancer regiment, writes in her memoir"The Cavalry Maiden" that she could perform every one of the drill's evolutions except twirllng that Lance over her head. The Lance was a national weapon of the Poles and of the Cossacks and became more popular over time. Poles in Austrian service, Bavarians, Prussians, French, and Germans in the Prussian army and Russians adopted it during the Napoleonic wars, and the Mexicans after. The British did a study in 1815 that concluded that the lance was inferior because a French lancer regiment got pinned in a town street during the 100 days campaign and coulded use their weapons effectively, yet the British army converted the first of many light dragoon regiments to lancers in 1817. As for the mass adoption of the lance by German cavalry, this followed an analyses of a massed cavalry battle from the Fanco-Prussian showing the highest casaulty rate was inflicted on the Oldenburg Dragoons by the French Guard Lancers. I don't think there were many cases of lancers breaking infantry squares, but they were certainly good at running down Royal North British (Scots Greys) Dragoons on blown horses. Thanks for your content and I hope you get better soon.

[@Arcane1954]

Horses were used in a light calvary manner during the opening of the Afghan campaign 20 years ago.

[@WJS774]

I don't think I've ever seen such a good demonstration of the disadvantage of a spear in close quarters! 🤣

[@DrakenX07]

Was expecting lance vs spear. Would love to see that video.

[@juanmolinafernandez3983]

About breaking lances, there is a Spanish teatrise of mounted fencing of 16th century that says that if the Lance broke, it's better to fight with the broken Lance than with the sword because of the reach, even if the Lance without point is less mortal.

[@psychedashell]

Sounds like Musashi and his sword carved out of an oar - range is a huge advantage when you know how to use it.

[@skyereave9454]

@@psychedashell The big stick for the win.

[@psychedashell]

@@skyereave9454 Gotta stick to the facts.

[@juanpablopaolillo2049]

Get better soon!

[@morriganmhor5078]

Nice piece of info, Matt. Btw, can you give me the link to that piece about the Chinese "yataghan" cavalry sword you spoke of? I really cannot find it. Thank you.

[@hannesmayer3716]

The German army equiped around 1900 all cavlary regiments with lances; cuirassiers, hussars, dragoons. The Austrians didn't, but I think they had a lot of ulans/lancers anyway. These lances were entirely made out of steel, so I don't think they were much cheaper in an industrialized age. One big problem I see: Firearms like carbines became increasingly important, while chances for succesfull charges dwindled against machine guns. A lance isn't the most useful thing to handle when firing a carbine, especially from horseback... In the late 19. century, at least in the German army the cavalry started to wear the sword not on the waist, but it was attached to the saddle. That suggests that dismounted, firearms were the main weapon, and the sword wasn't used regularly.

[@brittakriep2938]

In an article of either Visier or Deutsches Waffenjournal ( two german arms magazines) years ago you could read , about 100000 cavallry lances had been produced. Such a large number makes the price a bit lower. For this you needed 300 to 360 km of pipes. I don' t know, if it was a standard ( Norm) pipe/ tube of this era or not.

[@MichaelScheele]

Get well soon, Matt!

[@Trav_Can]

I always knew Matt was a member of the Ceiling Scratchers Club. 7:51 Haha! Every place I've lived I had to cover up/fix my ceiling marks. People come to my house and ask "Why are there scratches in your ceiling?" I just tell them the truth, I swing around swords a lot. It's an occupational hazard.

[@Trav_Can]

Granted it was a spear...

[@janoycresva9941]

2:51 matt is so hardcore he didn't even flinch when that greatsword momentarily came to life

[@bill-om3yv]

You said you can't put a lance on your back like in Bannerlord as I did just that and it freaked me out for a moment, Love it.

[@JarrettAlley]

Bravo for presenting with covid mate! Hope you get feeling better soon!

[@theinqov]

Really love your videos, especially the weird weapons with Tod. On this, I assumed you'd be talking about medieval cavalry when I started watching. The revelation is a bit disappointing: why didn't all infantry use spears? Because now they use machine guns. :)

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

I think you've missed one of the biggest strengths of the lance. Pennants. Horses not used to their sight could panic and put their riders in a very vulnerable state. This is an account of a British officer Thomas Dunleley from the time of the Peninsular War (Napoleonic Era) describing the clash of British Dragoons with Polish Lancers in French service: "They are armed with a long lance, at the end of which a flag is fixed so that, when our dragoons made a stand to receive them, the flags frighten their horses and they go about the lancers have them through the body in a, twinkling of an eye."

[@mpetersen6]

There's cavalry. And then there's Polish Cavalry!

[@random2829]

Fantastic reply! Hussars for the win!

[@adambielen8996]

Yeah, horses are easily spooked by unfamiliar things. So pennants, flashy clothing, camels, etc would all scare them unless time had been taken to acclimate them to such things.

[@paultowl1963]

Good stuff

[@JackBlack-gh5yf]

Hope you're soon fully recovered Matt, you seem to be managing OK.

[@seanpoore2428]

Damn man get better soon!

[@jlworrad]

Get well soon!

[@DonMeaker]

One lesson of the US Civil War was the proper weapon for Cavalry was a large caliber revolver. Churchill used a Broomhandle Mauser at Omdurman.

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

Get well soon Matt✌️

[@Jonic_P]

For years, I struggled to conceive how Lances were used in the battlefield because I grew up with the image of the Jousting Tournament Lance. Even after seeing Lances used in War depicted in art/museums and being trained in the spear, I had a hard time imagining it not getting stuck in the enemy almost immediately. Should have realized there were techniques used to specifically dislodge the lance from almost all angles. From the positioning, I assume pulling the spear out is even helped by the momentum of the horse moving forward, therefore pulling away from the target. Both brilliant and extremely obvious now that someone finally explained it to me 😅

[@skyereave9454]

I used to wonder about that too. Although it makes sense to always have a backup as you would expect significant lance damage regardless.

[@jooot_6850]

@@skyereave9454 Yeah those things wouldn't last very long. Especially since during a war you might have to make do with cheaper lances with weaker shafts

[@midora588]

Let me guess: because of....context?

[@alger8181]

Get well soon, sir!

[@bryanandrews7391]

Hi Matt, would be very interested to learn more about the British cavalry charges AFTER the First World War in the Empire. I know a fair bit about those of WWI, but any good resources out on either period that you know of?