Schubert's Most Sublime Melody (from C major String Quintet)

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Richard Atkinson

Richard Atkinson

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@planetsoccer99
@planetsoccer99 10 ай бұрын
babe wake up new analysis dropped
@arionthedeer7372
@arionthedeer7372 9 ай бұрын
real
@EricPeterson-y3x
@EricPeterson-y3x 9 ай бұрын
This Quintet is in my top five favorite pieces of music.
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 9 ай бұрын
I concur. It's so special that I listen to it very rarely to avoid getting used to it too much and it losing its earth-shaking impact. My favourite moment is the Trio of the Scherzo. When I first heard that I couldn't believe my ears. I had listened to most of Schuberts major works before, but nothing could have prepared me for this.
@jonstewart464
@jonstewart464 9 ай бұрын
Me too, music that reaches to the very edges of the soul. Also in there are the G Major Quartet and the Bb Piano Sonata (and possibly the Fantasy for Piano Four Hands). Fascinating analysis here, thank you.
@BetterMe981
@BetterMe981 9 ай бұрын
As a cellist, this is one of my most favorite pieces to play. Absolute bliss… every single note. You did a brilliant and beyond thorough job presenting this. Thank you so much!
@burakunsal7499
@burakunsal7499 9 ай бұрын
I still remember the first time I heard this melody, I was simply struck. It came out of nowhere it seemed and it was simply breathtaking. Even for Schubert's standards, and what I have come to expect from him, it was miraculous. I remember repeating only that section 10-15 times before moving on. Schubert was truly one of a kind and when I listen to him, I realize more strongly than I do with other composers, that after all, the essence and joy of music lies in a great melody more than anything else.
@dodiad
@dodiad 9 ай бұрын
@burakunsal7499 “[T]he essence and joy of music lies in a great melody” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmq3nXSFgKigl7M An die Musik --------------------- Du holde Kunst, in wieviel grauen Stunden, Wo mich des Lebens wilde Kreis umstrickt, Hast du mein Herz zu warmer Lieb entzünden, Hast mich in eine beß’rer Welt entrückt! Oft hat ein Seufzer, deiner Harf entflossen, Ein süßer, heiliger Akkord von dir, Den Himmel beß’re Zeiten mir erschlossen. Du holde Kunst, ich danke dir dafür! To Music --------------- Beloved art, in how many gray hours, When life’s wild whirl surrounded me, Have you kindled my heart to warm love, Have you transported me into a better world! Often has a sigh, flowed out from your harp, A sweet, divine harmony from you, Unlocked to me the Heaven of better times. Beloved art, I thank you for it!
@marksaul3157
@marksaul3157 3 ай бұрын
And when I first heard it, I thought I had somehow heard it before--which I don't think I did (I was about 12 years old). It sounded so obvious and eternal, as if it always existed, as if it expressed something I always knew was true.
@almosdrozdik6738
@almosdrozdik6738 9 ай бұрын
Schubert's sonata in B flat major also does this mediant key modulation route to the dominant in the exposition to incredible effect (B flat major - G flat major - F sharp minor - F major).
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
I almost used this sonata’s opening theme at the beginning of this video instead of the impromptu!
@taylorflowers4598
@taylorflowers4598 5 ай бұрын
This channel is a breath of fresh air
@danfobb8301
@danfobb8301 9 ай бұрын
I love trying to follow your analysis. You help me realize how complex and glorious this is
@TaiChiBeMe
@TaiChiBeMe 9 ай бұрын
It was just after when Schubert heard one of Beethoven's late quartets that he composed this quintet. It was reported that many in the audience couldn't grasp the ideas behind Beethoven's latest masterpiece. Schubert, on the other hand, walked home in silence, obviously impressed with the new music. I always felt that this quintet was the most modern sounding of Schubert's works and attribute this somewhat to Beethoven's influence. The main difference between Beethoven's late works and Schubert's is the point that you make, the "tunefulness." This quintet is one of my all time favorites. The 2nd movement was chosen by Arthur Rubinstein to be played at his funeral.
@thomasoa
@thomasoa 10 ай бұрын
I often wonder if Schubert's song-writing lead him to think of C major and C minor as "close." But this minor third modulation was something he was doing for much of his composition career - the second movement of his fifth symphony, written when he was 19, modulates from E flat to G flat.
@haomingli6175
@haomingli6175 9 ай бұрын
I think in many of his songs he alternates between parallel major and minors without modulatory sequences
@thomasoa
@thomasoa 9 ай бұрын
@@haomingli6175 Yeah, that is what I mean. He treats C major and C minor as roughly different facets of the same register. In voice, changing to the relative minor or major changes the register of the voice, and he often wants the register exactly the same.
@dodiad
@dodiad 9 ай бұрын
I love that symphony! One of my under-appreciated favorites.
@caterscarrots3407
@caterscarrots3407 7 ай бұрын
@@thomasoa Beethoven does the same thing, treats the parallel key as being a more dramatic or more triumphant/peaceful thing in the same register, like repeating the same melody fragment in C major and then C minor in the same register, Beethoven does that. And Schubert was very much in Beethoven's shadow, so it makes sense that Schubert would do that a lot as well.
@thomasoa
@thomasoa 6 ай бұрын
@@caterscarrots3407 Plenty of composers did so before Schubert, but Schubert did it instinctively more than most because he wrote so much for the human voice. The violin or piano can "easily" change from C major to A minor, without much change in the sound quality. The voice has a narrow range, and even inside its range, the qualities of the notes changes radically. Schubert uses the parallel minor/major so much, he seems to have literally blurred the line. It is why he sees C major and E flat major as relatively close keys. It seems odd to attribute this to Beethoven, rather something that was visible in Schubert's work from when he was 18. It didn't get to the extremes of this G major string quartet until he was a decade or so older, but it was part of his musical instinct far earlier. Attributing it to Beethoven seems to ignore that Beethoven didn't do this first, nor the fact that Beethoven never took it to the extreme that Schubert did.
@tobiolopainto
@tobiolopainto 9 ай бұрын
You pile beauty upon beauty just like Schubert. Thank you for what you do.
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 9 ай бұрын
Yay! Another Atkinson analysis, this time on one of my favourite compositions ever! I owe you more than what you could imagine.
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 9 ай бұрын
@ladivinafanatic For sure! Another chamber piece of him I love is hid last string quartet, the last movement is in major/minor mode.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
@@Ivan_1791The major to minor idea pervades that entire quartet (look at the first three bars of the first movement) - Mahler also famously used this as a thematic device in Symphony No. 6 (future five-hour-long video)!
@Ivan_1791
@Ivan_1791 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson I know, it is such a fascinating string quartet. And what? 5 hours? 💀 Make sure to leave time marks for the sections of the analysis and the cool examples you usually offer.
@LebesgueStieltjes
@LebesgueStieltjes 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson This channel is going to reach its peak with the Mahler 6 finale.
@ryanjeffers679
@ryanjeffers679 10 ай бұрын
played this in college and it was and still is one of my favorite pieces of chamber music
@lucianoaugusto4914
@lucianoaugusto4914 9 ай бұрын
By this time, one of my favorite videos of this channel.
@pos_itronium
@pos_itronium 9 ай бұрын
I think this is the first time I visited this channel (or maybe i have met it looong time ago). I have seen a lot of videos of this kind but this time I would mention two exclusive points. first, the duration of musical fragments - they are just great! they are long enough to feel the full picture and they also include some bars before and after the essential ones, this is good for being prepared to the considered musical thought. also, they may repeat some material so you don't have to relisten to the music to get what was meant. second, the quality of selected performances, they are brilliant! quintets easily may sound a little wavy-noisy because of some lack of synchronization between musicians' vibrating, here the sound is just perfect. (of course, this is not the only component of a good perfomance.) thank you for the video!
@peterjrmoore3941
@peterjrmoore3941 9 ай бұрын
this was a favorite in our crowd when we were in our teens
@arunpegler
@arunpegler 9 ай бұрын
Its always a good day when Richard Atkinson uploads
@MarcosAntonio-hp5tg
@MarcosAntonio-hp5tg 9 ай бұрын
He is back! Thanks a lot, this is one of my favorites, too.
@lolilollolilol7773
@lolilollolilol7773 9 ай бұрын
That melody rises like the sun above the horizon, simple but absolutely glorious. Yet I think I like the theme of the adagio even more. The adagio deserves its own video all by itself.
@cvlen
@cvlen 9 ай бұрын
Undoubtedly, my favourite chamber music work ever :) amazing video as usual
@gillianrolland4305
@gillianrolland4305 9 ай бұрын
Such a wonderful work of genius. I normally don't like to hear my favourites analysed and pulled apart but you do it so well. Great insights. Schubert's last year really was miraculous
@RaineStudio
@RaineStudio 9 ай бұрын
vi is the "surprise" modulation going way, way back. It was a favorite final cadence around the end of the 19th century.
@wehaveasituation
@wehaveasituation 10 ай бұрын
How nice you've chosen this magnificent work...thanks..And now, a couple hours later, having enjoyed the analysis, great job as always. The chord progressions are elucidated so well--I'd always wondered about the modulations.
@thefpladdict9747
@thefpladdict9747 9 ай бұрын
One of those chamber works I listen to the most, and composed by one of my favorite composers. Thanks so much for the upload! My request, can your next video be about the beauty that lies within Schubert's "Unfinished" Symphony No. 8 and "Great" Symphony No. 9? Your response is much appreciated, dear Richard. Thank you! ❤
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
It won't be the next one, but I definitely plan to talk about both of those in the future!
@thefpladdict9747
@thefpladdict9747 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@ve1803
@ve1803 10 ай бұрын
Absolute favorite piece.
@carsoncone2257
@carsoncone2257 9 ай бұрын
I would love to see an analysis on Mahler’s 6th, esp. the finale!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
On the docket!
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 9 ай бұрын
24:50 Roman Hoffstetter: "I know the feeling, Luigi. But least I got mistaken for Papa H."
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
Think of how famous he’d be if it had been the Op. 76 quartets and not the Op. 3 quartets! 😂
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Oh the musicologists would have a field day! 🤣
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
I’d have to re-evaluate my entire life! 😂
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Now, steady on :-)
@zevyzions
@zevyzions 9 ай бұрын
Fr. Hoffstetter is now well known and acknowledged.
@orb3796
@orb3796 10 ай бұрын
Genuinely appreciate your analysis, hope you know we're not just taking these gems you upload for granted!
@Anna-ss4sf
@Anna-ss4sf 9 ай бұрын
Fabulous exposition which only serves to deepen one’s enjoyment. Thank you Richard Atkinson!
@katherineparadis-chateaune8004
@katherineparadis-chateaune8004 9 ай бұрын
What a remarkable performance of the quintet by Wiener Streichsextett ! My friend, you have so much taste. Thank you for everything, you work hard and this is incredibly appreciated by many of us. I don't think someone else can embrace the variety of things involved (and I adore the comparisons with other composers) more brilliantly (i.e pertinence of the elements analysed in regard of the whole piece and clarity of explanation) than you do. Now I can't forget that name of Orpheus Chamber Orchestra !! Take care and many thanks again.
@MozartFong
@MozartFong 9 ай бұрын
I had no idea this piece existed but Im so glad you posted it!!
@natcharmusic
@natcharmusic 9 ай бұрын
My favorite schubert melody is the third movement of his piano quartet opus 47. im a grown ass man and i even teared up first listening
@minghaogong2343
@minghaogong2343 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for putting together this. I would hope also to connect this C major string quintet with the sonata in A major, D. 959. A lot of things are closely related. Especially the "signpost" shared by both pieces. I just recently realized how the "signpost" in the 1st movement of D. 959 are the motivic pieces from the final gorgeous melodies of the 4th movement, which was already composed in years before in D. 537 2nd movement. Something also similar in this quintet where the the first two lines suggest everything that comes later. The connections, the "insistence" quality, the zest for life but also the tragic moments from both D. 959 2nd movement and this D. 956 2nd movement just made me want to cry...
@ricardosoler
@ricardosoler 9 ай бұрын
I do learn a lot here. Thank you so much.
@gabrielbairdmusic
@gabrielbairdmusic 10 ай бұрын
I've never been so excited to watch a video
@margiefourie6581
@margiefourie6581 9 ай бұрын
So happy to see this post , thank you. One of my favourite pieces
@dariocaporuscio8701
@dariocaporuscio8701 9 ай бұрын
I am glad you mentioned the adagio. Also glad you mentioned Boccherini!
@jackdomanski6758
@jackdomanski6758 9 ай бұрын
I love how all of your videos are (not-so) secretly about Haydn and Mozart
@oldrichcepelka296
@oldrichcepelka296 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for your analysis and interpretation. It has brought me personally a lot. Greetings from CZ.
@VanchaMarch2
@VanchaMarch2 3 ай бұрын
Love it. Thanks for sharing. I’d love to hear your analysis of some of Schubert’s songs, like Die Nachtigall!
@MrPk266
@MrPk266 9 ай бұрын
Excellent breakdown of the music and such wonderful music it is indeed.
@brucejackson4219
@brucejackson4219 9 ай бұрын
That "the good die young" certainly applies to Schubert amigo. Thank you for this presentation.
@ardyonweisse2556
@ardyonweisse2556 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciate the care and effort you put into your KZbin channel.
@carlhopkinson
@carlhopkinson 9 ай бұрын
First time I heard this in college, it immediately moved to top spot on my all-time great chamber works.
@ofiterpunte
@ofiterpunte 9 ай бұрын
I adore the Quintet. But that Piano Fantasy... it's as if someone pushes a button: instant tears. Saved me a fortune on eyedrops along the decades.
@ironmaz1
@ironmaz1 9 ай бұрын
omg so happy u made a video on this! Was just recently acquainting myself with this gem of a piece
@pianopolly
@pianopolly 9 ай бұрын
This is the most fortunate timing. I have to hold a presentation in a few days on this exact piece for my music theory class. Thanks for your insights - they will certainly add a lot to what I planned on saying so far.
@hxc5607
@hxc5607 9 ай бұрын
insanely good analysis
@tobiasmostel
@tobiasmostel 9 ай бұрын
Mr. Atkinson; you are a genius. I am, unable to take parts of anything because I'm a completist. You don't have that problem and therefore can take things apart to explain them. Great job as always. How about the Mozart Gm quintet? A video on that? Happy holidays.
@CloudFowest
@CloudFowest 9 ай бұрын
The jumping theme from the 2nd movement in the 1st violin is also integral to his "Death and the Maiden" quartet 4th movement!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
True! Schubert loved tarantellas - also the finale of the famous C minor Piano Sonata and the finale of the less-famous 3rd Symphony.
@stephenpopovichl122
@stephenpopovichl122 9 ай бұрын
Richard is brilliant
@ShaunakDesaiPiano
@ShaunakDesaiPiano 7 ай бұрын
12:50 G major, E♭ Major and C Major are also all the major triads that include the note G.
@johnhastings462
@johnhastings462 8 ай бұрын
I first heard it from Dinu Lipatti . A recording of his concert at Besancon 1950 . Sublime ...
@elaineblackhurst1509
@elaineblackhurst1509 9 ай бұрын
An absolute privilege Richard to be able to tune into your wonderful channel and listen to these thoughtful, carefully prepared, scholarly but accessible talks. The presentation is outstanding in every respect, and enhances the brilliant and incisive analysis of this magnificent piece. I particularly enjoyed the wider references to other composers which placed both Schubert and the Quintet in a proper and meaningful context (the honourable mention for Boccherini was particularly apt). A sincere thank you Richard for the time, thought, and work put into these amazing videos which are clearly appreciated so much worldwide. PS. The only small point I would dare to mention is that in the rest of the English-speaking world outside America, the German/American-English 16th note - and similar - is not understood at all, and it might be worth just saying ‘16th note or semiquaver’ (even if only the first time); the same goes for those listening whose first language is one of the major European languages like Italian, French, and Spanish, none of whom use the mathematical fraction naming system of notes.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
I mostly started saying "bar" instead of "measure" for the same reason, so I'll try to remember to do this in the future!
@elaineblackhurst1509
@elaineblackhurst1509 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Thank you; the main problem for English speakers outside America is that the whole note - 4 beats in American-English - is in fact only a semibreve (ie half) in English (and Italian, French, Spanish and others); the whole note is a breve (8 beats) which renders the entire German/American-English system meaningless as the whole note means something entirely different in the two systems - hence the confusion. I had to stop the video to translate (musically I think in English and Italian). The traditional English usage is more familiar worldwide than the German/American-English fraction system; I’m very conscious though that this is rather petty given the fantastic video to which we have just been treated, but simply wished to raise awareness of the point. By way of a suggestion, I would like very much to hear your thoughts - post-Webster- regarding Haydn’s Symphony 45 in f# minor (‘Farewell’) in regards to through-composition and cyclic-integration, and other radical evolutionary features; whatever, thank you so much for some of the most inspirational videos on KZbin.
@deanedge5988
@deanedge5988 9 ай бұрын
Far too early in the day to be crying. Thank you.
@goodmanmusica2
@goodmanmusica2 9 ай бұрын
I agree, one of the most beautiful melodies
@MarvinFalz
@MarvinFalz 9 ай бұрын
11:00 Berlioz on the cello: Oh, I believe that quote also goes for a segment in Ravel's Trio en la mineur. It starts around the 2 minute mark in I. Modéré. The violin plays the main melody, then the cello echos the melody of the violin, which begins to play a hauntingly beautiful melody, which I imagine is a musical depiction of someone crying about a lost love, crying about someone very important in their life. If you haven't watched the movie A Heart in Winter (1992), I would highly recommend doing so, at least the scene where Camille Kessler and her accompaniments play that segment (at the 27 minute mark). In any case, thank you, the Berlioz quote just gave me a beautiful moment. And I need to check out Schubert for his sublime and ethereal melodies! :D
@joshhales4718
@joshhales4718 9 ай бұрын
Great videos, but this one is a real reminder of how much personal preference comes into any assessment of art. I’ve never understood what people find beautiful about Schubert’s melodies.
@RyanStapleford-qd7gx
@RyanStapleford-qd7gx 9 ай бұрын
Dude I love your videos! I almost refuse to listen to music now unless it's accompanied by a color coded score haha
@louisbrown5984
@louisbrown5984 9 ай бұрын
Brilliant, Richard! I'd love to see a video on Shostakovich's 5th.
@sunnykhurana657
@sunnykhurana657 9 ай бұрын
Amazing video as always! was hoping that you would briefly talk about the stormy f minor section in the 2nd movement. Another favorite passage of mine from this masterpiece!
@DavidAbramskyCello
@DavidAbramskyCello 9 ай бұрын
So glad to discover your channel! I love you go down into the weeds of a composition, uncovering the patterns and comparing them to similar patterns in other pieces. And you're describing some of my most beloved melodies from childhood!
@mortonbaychestnut4072
@mortonbaychestnut4072 9 ай бұрын
Wow, thanks as always!! One of my all time favourites pieces of music. BTW went to flat in Vienna where Schubert died... person there let me touch his brother's piano... played that very prominent G flat 1 from D960, which Schubert finished whilst there... Again, thanks so much!!
@HofmannScores
@HofmannScores 9 ай бұрын
Let's gooooooo. One of my favorite pieces of all time. Are you planning on analyzing Chopin in the future?
@renatochacon289
@renatochacon289 9 ай бұрын
The Piano Quintet also has sublime melodies, mainly in the first movement 👌🏼
@PushkaryovVsevolod
@PushkaryovVsevolod 9 ай бұрын
Сильный анализ.
@iggyreilly2463
@iggyreilly2463 9 ай бұрын
Were you Heinrich Schenker in a past life? 😊 You're highlighting all my favorite moments. Great taste, great video, and great music. The downward, chromatic sighing phrase leading into this great melody is recast in the march-like coda tune and the triplet accompaniment reminds me of the same device used in the Piano Sonata op. posth. 143 in a-minor, 1st mvmt. recap. Simple yet so effective, like the reverberation of the heart. One of my favorite Schubert tunes is the "Im Fruhling" finale of the Piano Sonata D. 959 (not to mention the wild slow movement!). Can't wait until you analyze the first mvmt. of the SQ D. 887 and the Violin/Piano Fantasy D. 934. Color codes be flyin'. Thanks for another great video. Love your reverence for these masterpieces. 👍❤
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
If you like the "downward, chromatic sighing phrase," stay tuned for my video on the finale of the K. 464 quartet I mentioned in this video!
@iggyreilly2463
@iggyreilly2463 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson Tuned and ready, sir.
@PaulMackSomers
@PaulMackSomers 9 ай бұрын
I know many musicians, including wind players and pianists, who simply put the Schubert C major quintet as the finest piece of non-quartet chamber music ever. I am among them.
@savagebananas1382
@savagebananas1382 10 ай бұрын
Great video! Do you plan to ever talk about shostakovich or other 20th century composers?
@angusmcmillan8981
@angusmcmillan8981 9 ай бұрын
Fascinating video, thank you. You didn’t express the modulations in these terms, but what thoughts about my own observation that a shift between keys and major third apart is often miraculous? (1) G and E flat (as in this piece); (2) between bar 14 and bar 15 in Schubert’s magical song ‘Nacht und Träume’ (in my bass singer edition A flat to E major); or (3) in Beethoven’s tenth violin sonata op96 first movement bars 58-59 where the second subject D major theme gives way to B flat major. All three modulations have the same magic for me.
@ilirllukaci5345
@ilirllukaci5345 9 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@malcolmabram2957
@malcolmabram2957 9 ай бұрын
It takes a certain mind, perhaps a profound mind filled with autonomy, to come to terms with beautiful music such as this. My kids listen to rap, 60s and 70s (the latter I enjoy), but play this to them? I have tried with Beethoven and Vivaldi. Failure. Schubert? It needs revelation. I just truly hope, and pray, that which is great will not be forgotten. Thank you for the post, and may it stand as posterity.
@PrinceValiance
@PrinceValiance 9 ай бұрын
An analysis of a piece by one of my favorite Romantic composers? instant subscribe. Hadn't heard this piece before.
@edwardweaver1467
@edwardweaver1467 Ай бұрын
@@PrinceValiance seriously? Really?
@grantc.7838
@grantc.7838 8 ай бұрын
Imagine if Schubert and Mozart each had 5 more years
@jwesterlund
@jwesterlund 9 ай бұрын
24:53 did not expect to laugh this hard when watching an video about classical music
@tangsolaris9533
@tangsolaris9533 10 ай бұрын
Unprepared second subjects have such a classic feel.
@varunravindran2343
@varunravindran2343 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff! The allusion in the final movement's third theme to the chromatic descent that leads to the theme in this video is also amazing. Will you be doing more Schubert videos?
@csabrendeki
@csabrendeki 9 ай бұрын
One tiny interesting remark: the double viola quintet is "traditional" cause it goes back to the austrian baroque quintet texture (cf. the resp. works of Schmelzer, Biber, Muffat, Weichlein, Fux, Tuma, Werner). In the baroque this texture was of course augmented with the basso continuo, but the string writing is no different and builds the roots for the classical string quartets and quintets.
@caterscarrots3407
@caterscarrots3407 7 ай бұрын
First piece that comes to mind for me when I hear "mediant key relation" and "three key exposition" in the same paragraph? Beethoven Pathetique Sonata first movement with the second theme in Eb minor! only to then lead into a third theme in Eb major. I find the fact that the second theme is in a minor key in Beethoven's Pathetique Sonata to be quite striking cause that's atypical for first movements. For final movements in sonata form of minor key sonatas, minor key second theme is common(both of Beethoven's F minor sonatas have C minor second themes in their finales, the minor dominant), but first movements? Very unusual, for the time anyway. Probably why the Pathetique Sonata exposition is a 3 key exposition and not 2 key. But yeah, interesting how different composers have very different takes on the same thing, a 3 key exposition. From Mozart's little bridge of a third key between 2 longer themes to Beethoven's 3 equally long themes in 3 keys to this Schubert piece, all very different and yet the same concept is behind all 3, using the mediant relation to bridge between the 2 typical keys.
@xylfox
@xylfox 9 ай бұрын
Got only 31! What great masterpieces he would have written if he became average old
@andrewashdown3541
@andrewashdown3541 9 ай бұрын
Rosamunde Incidental Music - Ballet Music No.1 / Andante un poco assai. - is the one for me!
@michelangelociarlo4281
@michelangelociarlo4281 9 ай бұрын
I think there is a clear Beethoven reference in this "sublime melody", it appears in the developement of first movement of Beethoven's 4th symphony. Very very similar.
@vetler2906
@vetler2906 9 ай бұрын
You should have mentioned how similar the Fidelo theme is to the Ruhevoll in Mahler 4. Love your tangents.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
Yes, I should've mentioned that as well! Same key, same first two notes, similar first two chords, pizzicato bass!
@wykowski
@wykowski 8 ай бұрын
Can we talk about the soli part in Dvorak’s serenade for strings mvmt 1 moderato? It’s such a bone chilling cello duet. (Unfortunately it only lasts for 10seconds )
@samsun216
@samsun216 9 ай бұрын
"...except for this one minuet, that mostly only exists in an artistic netherworld inhabited by intoxicated wedding guests and thousands of suzuki method students." Pure gold of sneering comments that articulate sheer love for an idiom!
@edwardweaver1467
@edwardweaver1467 Ай бұрын
@@samsun216 fascinating.
@ohadnativ
@ohadnativ 9 ай бұрын
Yet another great analysis. I’ve already asked on a previous video if you have intentions of covering Reger’s music, so I won’t ask again. I do Wonder about your general opinions on his music, and if you have any favorites pieces/passages?
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
I need to listen to more Reger!
@thomasskoronski8625
@thomasskoronski8625 9 ай бұрын
Schubert often echoes Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven in both form and content. I've often wondered if he was thinking of the first movement of Mozart's 25th Piano Concerto when he wrote this movement. It's also in C Major, also introduces c minor as an opposing power early in the movement, and this also leads to a secondary theme in E-flat before a new theme in the dominant is reached.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
True! At first I couldn't figure out what you were talking about since I was just thinking the orchestral exposition in my head (which never has a new theme in E flat), but I finally figured out you were talking about the second exposition with the soloist. I almost consider Mozart's "first movement concerto form" to be so different from standard sonata forms that it almost doesn't make sense to compare them.
@dodiad
@dodiad 9 ай бұрын
Could you be persuaded to do one on the Trout Quintet?
@bobbiemay6867
@bobbiemay6867 8 ай бұрын
This is a stand-alone impromptu for piano.
@music54991
@music54991 9 ай бұрын
Why do you think there are so few quintet composed with contrabass ?
@heinvanmaarschalkerwaart9799
@heinvanmaarschalkerwaart9799 9 ай бұрын
Isn't Schuberts Oktett the longest chamber music piece by Schubert?
@rose-marietrembloy243
@rose-marietrembloy243 9 ай бұрын
The most divine music. My favourite of so many heavenly masterpieces. The version I love best: Itzhaj Perlman, YoYo Ma, Barenboim….
@karllieck9064
@karllieck9064 9 ай бұрын
But Schubert always modulates to many different keys in so many of his works: it was his M O. So this Quintet is not that suprising.
@marcin_kalbarczyk
@marcin_kalbarczyk 9 ай бұрын
Now do Schnittke choir concerto 1
@burntsider8457
@burntsider8457 9 ай бұрын
Two respectful questions from an amateur musician: Why would a composer choose a key like Gb (versus e.g. the easier G or F) and why wouldn't it be considered in F#?
@afterthesmash
@afterthesmash 6 ай бұрын
If I could change history and spare one composer an untimely death, for me it would be Schubert and not Mozart, and we would now have late Schubert to set beside late Beethoven.
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson Ай бұрын
I think I'd rather have late Mozart, but it's a hard decision.
@eddieandmaxie
@eddieandmaxie 4 ай бұрын
Isn’t this the one that Rubinstein wanted to be played in his deathbed?
@tinlinmusic
@tinlinmusic 9 ай бұрын
6:06 Can't hear any trumpets or timps in the Haydn, even though it says so in the score 🤔
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
Those parts were added in later editions, possibly not by Haydn, so many recordings don’t use them. I usually screenshot my scores from IMSLP, and all 4 versions they had included them, so I had no choice 😂. I wasn’t expecting anyone to notice, but it turns out I have very observant listeners!
@tinlinmusic
@tinlinmusic 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson I did wonder! To be fair, I’ve never heard that symphony with trumps & timps anyway 🎺 🥁
@tinlinmusic
@tinlinmusic 9 ай бұрын
@@Richard.Atkinson great video btw 😀
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
@@tinlinmusic I just did a cursory search on KZbin and I found several recordings with timpani, but none with trumpets (at least I think they didn’t have them…). Those high C horns have such a bright sound that it can be hard to tell.
@SuperGalaxys
@SuperGalaxys 9 ай бұрын
The closing theme in the String Quintet Mvt 1 you discuss at 20:22 immediately reminded be of the theme in Mvt 1 of the Brahms F minor Piano Quartet starting at m. 74 (around 2:50 in this recording: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mF6nooKVeZaaZ8k). And the Fidelio passage sounds exactly like the beginning of Mahler Symphony 4 Mvt 3 (the Adagio)!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
Ha, I never noticed that before!
@PreservationEnthusiast
@PreservationEnthusiast 9 ай бұрын
Shoukd have chosen the melody from the Gb major. The one from the C quintet is fragmented and unremarkable in comparison.
@elliottblum7925
@elliottblum7925 9 ай бұрын
It's interesting because I don't find most of Schubert's melodies that great except these specific ones from this video lmao. I prefer Schuman any day even though Schubert wrote the most amount of music I think mostly in songs and short works. Just my opinion tho
@npkmanasatienkijmusic
@npkmanasatienkijmusic 10 ай бұрын
Hey, look at that, I think I'm first!
@Richard.Atkinson
@Richard.Atkinson 9 ай бұрын
This was the only comment on this video for about the first 30 minutes. It was strange...
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