Scientology's Freewinds is Not So Free After All ft. Leah Farrow

[@tootsla1252]

One of the best "cautionary tales" I've heard. If listening to Leah doesn't scare someone off joining the Sea Org nothing will!

[@gernblanstun1249]

Tootsla 125 ~No doubt

[@lindashawmsnarnpfnp-bc4101]

One last thing.....as a medical professional for almost 30 years, I often hear people humbly minimize their pain and say others had it "so much worse," It is wonderful that you think of others. However, YOUR pain is YOUR pain. It hurts. You must process this pain as it comes without deflecting it by comparing to others. The only way through the pain is through it. :). You are helping so many others right npow. And you are teaching your childen that it is ok to express their hurts ..... the opposte of "suck it up butter cup " which only delays the inevitable :)

[@robinsonhomestead4745]

Thats definitely something from the brain washing. I have heard many ex members stories and alot of them say that. There is a series 2 KZbinrs did where they joined the group and talked about what it was like. One of them a bad accident and was almost paralyzed a few years back. He did an auditing session about the event and they tried to change his memories about it so he remembered being calm and glad it happened. But he was actually terrified.

[@Unclejake]

Blue asbestos is nasty stuff, I was a US Navy Engineer and spent 24 years on sea duty, we decommissioned ships and scrapped them (made into coral reefs) because of blue asbestos, cost of proper removal exceeded the value of the ship. I have no idea how much was on the Freewinds, but it usually safer to leave blue asbestos in place and not touch it (cocoon it with fiberglass insulation). Its so microscopic, its like breathing razor blades if any of that gets into the ventilation during removal the entire ship would become a Hazmat site. I recommend you keep following up with testing for asbestos infusion, it get in the pleura of your lungs, you will not know for years and things turn bad fast. I know I am personally on annual asbestos watch at the VA.

[@melissasokol3127]

Yes and she said something about the Hungarians brought in to clean it up. Were they brought in because they were covered by any protections? Hmmmm.

[@Unclejake]

Problem is, blue asbestos is microscopic you cant just wet it down and remove it, without building huge containment areas and massive air filtration areas for a extremely long periods once you move it, once its airborne...it can go anyplace air can go its not as easy as cleaning up something like brown asbestos. If that ship did have blue asbestos I can understand why the first crew walked off in 2008 at Curaçao Drydock Company and the local government sealed the ship as a bio hazard, the Ships Commanding officer in 2001 spoke about it being released into the ventilation system, that means the entire ship was contaminated, it doesn't take much to slowly kill you. You could think you were wiping a little dust, and thats all it takes. The Navy Ghost fleet that had blue onboard, when the folks went to do the annual inspection as the ships sat there rusting, the people looked like they were going to the moon, and they weren't even going to disturb the asbestos, just walk around. Asbestos was used to make everything from fake wood work to the floor tiles, because it didn't burn...Nasty stuff to remove, the US Navy found it was cheaper to scrap the ship and build a new ship then remove Blue.

[@Unclejake]

I dont mean to be over dramatic, but personally I wouldn't walk on that ship, even today, the asbestos scares me more then Tom Cruise running around the decks in his tightie whities playing tag with D.M.

[@damianvonderharr2195]

I've always wondered how asbestos was installed. Does it come in a roll like wall insulation?

[@Unclejake]

It depends on the application, I seen tile flooring and fake wood for walls made of asbestos. Usually for steam piping and such its much like fiberglass and comes in rolls, you apply it and then wrap it with lagging paste, but Ive seen in in block of hard insulation for things like superheated steam piping systems where you want the insulation and durability. Its a mined material basically starting out as a "rock" so putting it back in the earth is where it should be.

[@Flame44]

What a great interview. I adore Leah! What a strong ,smart gal.

[@ronhoek69]

Stunning and brave!

[@abramgaller2037]

I wonder if anyone getting a Sec Check has ever thrown the meter out the window ,so as create a floating needle ?

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

+abram galler Funniest comment I've seen in a very long time.

[@abramgaller2037]

Cool!

[@SheNiteOwl]

abram galler 😅😅😅😅

[@millsykooksy4863]

😂😂

[@George50809]

Wouldn't that be great?, thanks.

[@PETERARNOLD68]

Very interesting. I left the Freewinds in April of 94 after 5 years of "duty" so just missed Leah. From her accounts and others things went pretty downhill from there. I remember Sharron yelling at me at the top of her voice trying to "handle" me to stay. When she realized she didn't make a dent she just turned around and walked out. Totally psychotic woman.

[@michaelbundy6706]

PETERARNOLD68 wow,how Long were u a Scientologist..?

[@williamstraass5903]

Hello Peter. I remember you. I was still married to Sharron when you left. You are right, a real psycho. Captain Napier said at a staff meeting that you had to be real brave to even walk down C Deck Port Side where her office was.

[@zappa-happy]

Fair play 2u! Standing up 2 bullies is the Only way, it takes their power away. I’ve suffered tonnes of abuse, from a terrifying violent father as a child to years of domestic violence as an adult & Nothing & No one can say/do anything 2 phase me. Although I will say, those experiences did affect me in that - Its ME that has a very dark & terrifying side now -which I did not have b4!

[@sweettea527]

"Just so we are clear there!" I see what you did there, Chris Shelton!

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

LOL

[@YallAintRight]

I was never in Scientology, but I was married to a clinical narcissist for 12 years. When she talks about maybe having sex and not knowing it, it rang bells inside my head. You are lied to so much over so long a period of time that you just don’t know what to believe anymore. I liken it to looking in only one mirror for years. Over time in the abusive relationship, the mirror slowly warps into a fun house mirror. It happens so gradually that you can’t see it happening and you don’t know what to believe anymore. Your sense of reality becomes warped. And even after you step away from that warped mirror, the real world doesn’t look right anymore either. Total mind f***.

[@lidahall5928]

That's an excellent analogy both for those stuck in an abusive relationship and those trapped in a destructive cult.

[@katem2411]

That's such an accurate analogy. Abusive groups and people seem to have a lot of techniques in common - and similar effects on those who survive to escape.

[@stell7469]

So sorry to hear that.

[@jataim4197]

Very similar story here my friend! It's so, sad to realize you've been duped-especially by the person your suppose to trust and love,(especially when you 'think' they love you?),the most and bound to! I'm still working through the aftershocks of the abusive relationship-I think people like us always will to some extent? So, sorry for the mind 'F' u went through, that is exactly what it is! Sociopathic behavior really :(

[@kdburner7356]

hope you’re doing well💕

[@Jakmommie2011]

An incredible interview. Thank you for sharing Leah’s story. What a strong, powerful woman.

[@tssgalaxys6277]

Amanda Burke stunning and brave!

[@gaarcemail]

This is much more intensive than it seems. I was also in the sea org for 17 years and declared I wanted to leave about 5 or 6 times before I actually left. It is so hard on one. I had nightmares for 8 years after I left and it took another 3 years before I dared to look at anything negative about Scientology. It's now been 15 years and I had another Scientology nightmare a couple of nights ago. It's so insane it's hard to conceive.

[@BritonAD]

Not trying to be rude but why would you have nightmares?

[@gaarcemail]

@@BritonAD When you lived 17 years under militant like rule, You and your work being harshly judged and under heavy pressure every single day to meet crazy difficult target, working from 8 am to at least midnight, that feeling just doesn't disappear. The "nightmares" where about being under that pressure, like I was still there.

[@rosesavoy9035]

Leah is a courageous brave woman so young and so strong! She is amazing! 🙏

[@gernblanstun1249]

~This video really affected me. Leah talking about about how her mom was totally against her joining the Sea Org got me to think about how I would have felt if my son had joined. What a nightmare. I can't Imagine the thought of not being able to see him grow up and the prospect of this being what he would be doing the rest of his life. My son has heard enough about Scientology that I don't have to worry about it.

[@donneuner2883]

Amazing Leah‼️I’m so glad you got out, best of everything, I think you are awesome, thank you for telling us about this

[@marknpm]

Marvellous interview! Leah's story of "blowing the org" - escaping Scientology's barmy navy from aboard the dread 'Freewinds' itself - is astonishing, especially the part where she confronts that lying 'LRH Communicator' :)

[@trissloan2340]

I am addicted to defector stories of former Scientologists. You get a bird's eye viewpoint from, "on the inside." I was close to joining when I was a young GI stationed in southern Bavaria. I took and read a copy of Dianetics with me to read during Field Training Exercises. The military structure appealed to me. The brochures and study materials were so slick and glossy. The revelation of the Xenu story was not revealed publicly at that time.

[@user-ce8tr1ex2m]

Gosh that dream of running on lower decks & not being able to find way out when the stairs are missing, it’s like the worst nightmare for person that went through what Leah did. It gave me chills

[@astralclub5964]

Great Interview, Chris! What a sweet and intelligent woman! Scientology seems to be losing all the smart and humane recruits, and is increasingly left with the institutionalized, robotic shells of humanity.

[@electricuniverse7825]

Thanks for answering my question, Who is crazy enough to keep $cientology on life support?

[@zappa-happy]

Yr Soooo Gr8 at interviewing Chris! Brilliant! Luv n support from UK! ❤️🧡💚💜☮️☮️☀️☀️☀️

[@michaelwagner8859]

Thank you both a phenomenal interview! Tales of courageous leaving like Leah's are absolutely amazing...

[@JegoEXP]

I love Leah’s attitude. If you won’t let me take a vacation, I’ll arrange it myself without your knowledge or permission. Hahaha that’s awesome!! I love it how she would not let them exert complete power over her and suppress her freedom... to a certain extent.

[@zappa-happy]

Ahhh bless✨ Leah ✨is Amazing! Totally luv her! 🌸🌸💖💖💕

[@corrodedzine6320]

Thank you for everything you do !

[@daveroberts2296]

Every time that I listen to another one of these horror stories, I wish that the Cult no longer existed. Let's hope and pray that they continue to wither away. So many victims with PTSD.

[@unounk9415]

Even though it was 2 hours long I was intrigued the entire video. I loved this story!

[@johnjordan3314]

That was fascinating interview. Thank you. Bless Leah Farrow and her family and her parents. Their support helped to save their daughter. Happy New Year Chris.

[@mothersgauri4137]

Good interview ! These situations do clearly cause PTSD and it does take a long time and a lot of effort to recover. It is brain washing and a type of torture you've been through...absolutely ! So be good to yourself !! I'm so happy Leah has found a wonderful husband and a positive life !!! Blessings !

[@DrTWG]

Ah yes. It used to bipolar that was the fashionable mental illness , now it's PTSD.

[@anamusementinprogress]

Thank you Leah for sharing your story! Even though you were young and naive, you were also quite strong and resilient.

[@misssqueezedlemon]

Thanks Chris this was a great interview. I too have said "Oh my experience and the fact that I still am troubled" does not compare to yours or others who have been in the SO. As a public for 30 years I am still realizing the negative thoughts and effects that are in my world. It is all the sum of experience that we go through. Leah you are a delight and breath of freshness.

[@spittingwisdom]

Miss Squeezed Lemon thank you :)

[@inspiredblue]

Thank you for sharing!! I’m still in this, I can’t believe this happens to people phase. Bless you both.

[@candiceyates253]

Jen Gruber wow !! Please know this stuff is true and I pray that God will make a way for you to get out. I mean you no disrespect. I do believe in God. I feel you’re a great person.

[@melissasokol3127]

I really enjoyed hearing Leah's story and especially how she coped internally. I related as having been stuck for years in a relentless difficult job. I understood what she said about separating herself from her environment and focusing on her friendships and the parts that she did like. I also related to her having a time when she saw the unfairness and destructive side of the compromised system. Thank you for sharing. And Chris thank you for being such a great interviewer.

[@katem2411]

Fascinating and informative interview. I love how Leah reached breaking point and took off to Italy! Would greatly enjoy hearing more about the Freewinds.

[@motorcop505]

Wow! What a great interview. All,of your videos are wonderful, but this one was particularly exceptional. Thank you both for your efforts to expose the nightmare of Scientology.

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

+motorcop505 wow, thanks!

[@cathyleslie5728]

What an amazing women!! Way to go Chris on a great and informative interview once again.

[@dortekuhler-otuekpo8810]

Great interview, great people you both. With you all the best

[@mattkaustickomments]

Has anyone been successful at suing their parents for raising them in that loony cult? I don’t think I could ever forgive my parents for that. So much damage.

[@williamstraass5903]

Wow. Holy Fuck. I was the Repair Chief on the Freewinds from the day the "Church" took possession of the ship (then called Boheme) until May 2002 when I was sent off to die of AIDS with no medical treatment. My first wife was Sharron (Petersen Kimball Straass now Weber). I knew both Leah Farrow and Vanessa Paris. I was shocked to hear Leah mention me in the interview as being 40 years older than her and interested in her. I was interested in her. I am not 40 years older than Leah. Maybe 15-20 years older than her. I never indicated to her that I was interested in her. I probably looked 20 years older than I was because I was dying of untreated HIV/AIDS at the time. I barely made it off of the ship alive. I have done 2 videos with Karen de La Carriere which tells that story. As far as the Blue Asbestos (the most deadly kind) is concerned, we all knew it was down there; I once took a chunk, chopped it up and snorted it like coke. I was suicidal for real; it came up in a metered interview with the Dir I and R. And the Finance terminal sent by DM to clean the bilges; I was the one that showed him around the Engine Room when he arrived. I remembered him as the Int Finance Dictator who came to the FSO in 1982 and had me on the cans. I have at least 20 times as much data if anyone is interested. I have heart failure from the untreated HIV AIDS and my heart only pumps a quarter of the normal amount of blood with each beat. I have been living on borrowed time for the last 30 years so if anyone wants any info from me they had best say so while I am still alive.

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

Email me, please. Let's chat.

[@williamstraass5903]

@@ChrisSheltonMsc I will certainly do that.

[@williamstraass5903]

@@ChrisSheltonMsc Deat Chris; I would like to get in comm with you; I will look for your E-Mail address.

[@milivanili2603]

Oh wow, i am so sorry to hear you are suffering i wish you well. Btw i understood form.her interview she liked you. And maybe sharon (satan) was angry about that? Idk. I didn't feel she was blaming you only that she liked you

[@lechat8736]

Amazing story! Gosh, I love this woman!!! Thank you, Chris! Leah, I wish you all the best:)))

[@rodanzig]

I used to work on tankers and yeah , washing in diesel fuel , I remember that . Of course we were paid good money .

[@mearnog14]

Definitely not free. But certainly full of wind!

[@tomlobur111]

They invited me there once, but I said, "nah"! So, I passed (on free) winds.

[@George50809]

So, what are you talking about?

[@TheColdrush22]

Chris, this is absolutely fascinating. You are both fantastic.

[@tssgalaxys6277]

I think all authoritarian hierarchical institutions cause those dreams. I had nightmares just like Leah after leaving the military

[@HappyQuailsLC]

I am really enjoying this conversational style

[@orangecrush8812]

Can you discuss at some point how people get promoted in scientology? It's clear it's an incredibly inefficient organization full of make-work, so I'm guessing any sort of management skill plays little to no role. I've gotten the impression it's based almost entirely on just how completely indoctrinated someone is in LRH 'tech' along with their ruthlessness (constant screaming at subordinates, physical abuse in some cases).

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Billions of dollars and thousands of lives wasted on a science fiction game invented by a con man. Unreal.

[@danromanov9537]

@@JamesRichardWiley what about the trillions of dollars wasted and millions of lives ruined by the farce called Christianity?

[@beewitha50cal]

@@danromanov9537 Sir, step away from the fedora and return to your reddit atheism subreddit. Seriously Christianity had nothing to do with this and you just waltzed in here to bring them up when they're irrelevant to the discussion.

[@annfisher3316]

Wow, her blow from Freewinds was so well conceived and executed! Hoping Leah is living her best life away from $camatology.

[@sweettea527]

Great interview. Thank you both!

[@VS-ib1ed]

Chris, once you commented that some people watch your videos with the same interest as people have watching train wrecks, he he. I am referring to the subject of your videos. As I watch them, I am amazed at what people are willing to put up with. But, then I remind myself that really you folks are simply poor victims who are trying to heal. I had some events I consider traumas and have healed from them--nothing like you guys. After college, for a few years I had dreams relating to the stresses of getting through university courses with good grades. I guess with some focus on positive future growth and time, things do heal.

[@saracrispi9081]

Omg! Leah F.’s experience is a nightmare!! God Bless her for getting out & having the loving parents & family that she has!

[@LisaKLivlaughlove]

Fascinating, thanks so much. Very good.

[@gsnaponfire]

In the last two weeks I’ve done a ton of research into Scientology and my biggest question is this, with all the evidence on Scientology’s abuse and con artist manipulation towards its members, how does it still exist and what is being done to shut it down?

[@candiceyates253]

Zachary James Davis I have the same question! I don’t understand. These people are straight criminals.

[@sarahsmart3414]

@@candiceyates253 money...their net worth is $1.2 Billion no one stands a chance up against that kind of money.

[@sleepy_sl0th209]

I got a Scientology ad XD they don't seem to know who I'm watching

[@cutiedoggy475]

How many ppl are on the ship? How is Scientology getting that many ppl on the ship if they are dwindling down?

[@angela5627]

Chris your interviews are truly fascinating. Keep them coming please!! I can’t believe Scientology gets away with all this stuff “religious freedom”. The IRS needs to step in once in for all!! It may have been just a vacation to them but they were literally keeping her prisoner in my eyes

[@JOHNN01.82]

What a story that was

[@lindashawmsnarnpfnp-bc4101]

Leah Farrow, you are a spunky, beautiful, super-intelligent, and charming young lady. Thanks for your brave and honest story. When those negative thoughts come bat them away like a ping pong ball. You DESERVE your life and your wonderful husband. I hope he realzes what a catch YOU are :). Keep your sense of humor too, it is sooooo therapeutic.

[@ffluvssg1]

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us. On an unrelated note, enjoy those braces, at least after you're done. I got mine at age 40 for a while too. :-) No matter how bad or not so bad your experiences were, no one should have to endure any aspect of that mindset or behavior. Someone wise once told me, if you're having a bad day, saying "It could be worse!" does not really help. Keep up the good work of educating people and just being a positive influence on people around you.

[@spittingwisdom]

Fred Firestine I am looking forward to having straight teeth!

[@ffluvssg1]

Right on! I had a gap and crooked teeth on the bottom, with another problem on top that prompted the whole thing. It was worth the trouble, and I even got done before my teenage daughter. She did not appreciate that. :-)

[@b.w.22]

I’m only halfway through this, but one thing I can’t stop thinking about is the bizarre circumstance that there were people on the ship itself calling to try to get people to go on it? As she says, calling off a ship is so expensive so why wouldn’t these calls be made somewhere else? Is every “org” set up in this way? Each one replicating the work of the others?

[@microdrone]

Very interesting video, Thoroughly enjoyed it. It's so great you got away from that creepy organisation!

[@TheShadowcreator]

It typically takes 4 people to clean the scavenging port. Were you on your own? The fact that they took your passport was a big red flag and it's not normal on any vessel.

[@TheWaxworker]

it's hilarious to think that Scientology has a Navy, the sea org, and this Navy has only one ship! Talk about a downgrade!

[@ian_b]

L Ron's tinpot navy is one of those things that is funny and horrifying at the same time.

[@ProfessorxVile]

I saw the Freewinds when I was in Curacao with the Navy in 2010, I wonder how many people they had imprisoned on there? Double digits at least I'm sure.

[@lochinvar00465]

Great to get a perspective of the ship. I never saw it while I was in there. All I saw was a couple of missions, did a couple of years in an org, then on to PAC and Clearwater CMO. Being on the communication lines gave me a lot of look at the attitude of upper management. After I was out, the nightmares were the worst part of it.

[@incognito214681]

super interesting to learn about life on the freewinds...thanks guys.

[@denisadellinger4543]

She was probably in one of the best places to be and she got some of the good jobs and of course she had a good supportive family.

[@BxCortez2050]

I went to one of these sciencetoligy " orientation " I cant remember exactly what it was called ..it was definitely an experience

[@dbfjohn2502]

Mike Rinder has talked about being sent to the bilges a few times.

[@marypeel7945]

Love both Leahs’

[@tantraman93]

So much of what you learn about S is that "Money" is their "God".

[@freedom35pedrick]

Been wondering whether sea org members on the ship carried merchant mariner papers / credentials?

[@gregoryreese7686]

Heart breaking

[@danieljuliomorales7605]

Fantastic interview!

[@lidahall5928]

@4.09 Imagine all of the Goldenrod paper they must've gone through, though! I can't help but wonder if supplies are dwindling...

[@noxprsn]

It's hard to watch sometimes, but I appreciate what you're doing. Keep up the good work!

[@guyverblack]

everytime i hear these blowing stories it amazes me, like something out of some spy film lol. Leah at 21 you were so brave. Plus the way you did it was amazing, big fat FU to Scientology haha. It really really makes me want to help people get out of scientolgy and help those that have been in the church.

[@gregking1190]

great interview! New sub :)

[@cutiedoggy475]

Where does the ship go during hurricanes?

[@spittingwisdom]

True Dat they go where the hurricane isn't.

[@littleloner1159]

How known is the blue asbestos problem on the freewinds? Bc according to l.r.h. only fiberglass is dangerous but he didn't talk about asbestos so they didn't remove it (1:50 they speak about it a little)

[@milivanili2603]

LRH was long gone by the time the freewinds was bought. LRH had the appolo flag ship....and the yacht excalibur...crazy old fucker he was

[@Rhombohedral]

45:08 OT7-OT8 getting sea sick super powers LMFAO

[@user-uf3wc7hy4l]

The last place I'd want to be with these people is on a shotty ship out in international waters. Can you think of a worse place to be if you were to piss someone off etc? It wouldn't be hard to disappear out in the middle of the ocean. I wonder if the ship is used to transport cash to offshore accounts down in the islands.

[@knowsmebyname]

1:15:00. Note to self. Don't lie about Leah.

[@Ghast101]

Please tell me you've seen the Bojack Horseman episode in which Todd joins a 'freeform comedy group', I think you'd love it. Lots of digs at scientology, and the group even has their own boat like the Freewinds.

[@iDalisMediaTV]

she kind of had it made....okay listening to the rest....waiting for the trouble. omg heard the second hour...that is insanity.

[@madsrasmussen7545]

Thank you Chris for the humor thing!!! i have ben playing in a band with a dude from scientology!!!he was like a Robot when we was joking ;)

[@iDalisMediaTV]

Its' such a trauma to grow up there what a sick narcissist that L Ron HUbbard and this evil still going on to this day ruining lives. wow.

[@jss302]

Great interview!

[@littleloner1159]

She has such a beautiful smile

[@cgirl111]

I believe a lot of people don't leave because of the sunk cost fallacy.

[@sillysailor5932]

Does nobody ever inspect this ship. I'm a sailor and loads of this stuff is flat out illegal.

[@candiceyates253]

This was great and very informative!! Thanks. I’m learning so much about this . It’s interesting that all the stories coincide with each other. There’s no way all these people speaking out are lying. NO WAY JOSE!!!

[@jeanjulie4851]

Please, explain terms and abbreviations. When she is saying she never went “out to D”, even after many times, I cannot understand what she is saying, let alone what it means.

[@jeanjulie4851]

Sometimes entire sentences are completely unrecognizable as anything in the English language. It makes this important show almost unwatchable because it doesn’t make sense much of f the time.

[@milivanili2603]

Out 2D. 2D is an abbreviation of the term dynamic. Second dynamic is sex, and marriage. In scientologiees to go out 2D means to cheat on your partner. In the sea org you are not allowed to have sex if you are not married so in the sea org it would mean to have sex. Thats like as bad as crucifying jesus. To have sex unmarried in the sea org

[@LukeHare]

I just want to know , what can I do to help anyone Or support anyone

[@ChrisSheltonMsc]

You can certainly support this channel through Patreon and then there is the Aftermath Foundation.

[@BritonAD]

Parents were so loving that's why I have to remind you every five minutes and loads of tattoos on my body.

[@geoffreylee5199]

Finished High School @ 15 ... when most kids are half way through ... using LRon curriculum?

[@JoelPit]

Ok I'm a Christian pastor. I have questions do the regular not alien teachings work? It seams alot of people leave miscavige not scientology? After watching many videos scientologist seam distant as to a rehearsed emotional response like giving you the emotional response you are expecting is this a result of the e meter stuff of making up responses

[@milivanili2603]

As an ex scientologist second generation.... well it works ok like 65% on the very basic courses... but its a very insidious sneaky kind of psychology that makes you doubt yourself if you have a critical thought... i am years out but still suffer form PTSD abd paranoia it wouldn't recommed it to anyone

[@TheShadowcreator]

You cleaned the bilge???? For WHO?

[@andreadiamond7115]

So interesting!

[@shaunmatley8659]

Shouldn't be that way but the magic words are "I'm going to top myself" like abra cadabra or open sesame. Life saving information right there.

[@EricHurner]

Thinking about my first comment, I concluded it needed a little explaining. Chris, the reason I follow your channel particularly is that it seems to me unique amongst all the other tell-it-all anti-Scientology channels in that you are neither aggressive nor trying to explain your own situation, but are on a search of your own with a defined research question. This question, if I have understood it correctly, might be summarized as: What causes people to fall for a cult, what makes them give in to mind control, what makes them leave and how can they best adjust to the real world afterwards? The manner in which you attack this question is non-judgemental and self-critical, which is what I miss, just as an example, with the channel John Cedars, who comes across as an anti-JW activist to such an extent that his interpretations can be very personal and one-sided and he tends to make absolute judgements where, on the basis of his interpretation, none are warranted. This ability to be critical also of one’s own position and conclusions is something I really acknowledge in the way you approach your research. Your research questions correspond very closely to my own, only mine is formulated in a more general way: What is the relationship between Identity and personal Initiative? It is my thesis that you can assess the freedom and independence of an individual by the degree to which the person stands for his or her own identity and is free and motivated to act on the basis of personal initiative. Joining a cult means giving up a substantial part of one’s identity and sacrificing one’s right and desire to take personal initiative of one’s superior/s in the cult. The first free initiative many people then take is to leave the cult. To me this connection with initiative is important to know because it could break through the guilt and self-blame attached to leaving a cult and “causing” one’s loved ones to disconnect from one. One leaves the cult on one’s own initiative. The responsibility for disconnecting, going under the radar or leaving in turn rests solely with the persons who remain behind in the cult and don’t wish to act out of their free identity and initiative. Now, the question of passports and certificates are closely connected also to our personal identity. This identity is based on four or five major factors - family, nationality, education and profession first and foremost, but then also language, experience and several other things far more diffuse and difficult to certify. It is the duty of a democratic country to support the free and independent identity of their citizens, If I lose access to my passport, identity document or my Master’s certificate, as long as there are people and institutions who can vouch for the truth of my claim to that identity, it makes no difference, and the certificates will be replaced with a small charge. If, however, I somehow believe that not having access to my passport, i.e. not being in a position to PROVE my identity, robs me of my free and independent existence, I become very susceptible to intimidation by others. It is like believing that I’ve lost my Doctorate because the certificate is lost, in other words, it cripples my motivation, my self-image, my ability to stand up for myself and believe in my government’s right and ability to stand up for my individual rights. What is in reality a simple question of fact can become a complicated psychological dilemma. So my question to you, as I formulated it in my previous comment, is in how far you believe this lack in one’s education, in one’s sense of self that results in believing that someone who has my passport has power over me, could be indicative of a propensity to hand over one’s independence and identify with a cult? The parallel of Scientology’s holding (in fact “confiscating”) the passports of foreigners in their employ with what happens on board ship, or at least used to, is a false one. When you sign onto a ship, you enter into a work contract with the shipping company. It is this contract alone that gives you the right to enter foreign countries for which you have neither work permit nor visa. It makes perfect sense that the captain should therefore hold the passports until you need them once more. Should he misuse this power, there is always the Port Authority anyone can turn to, even before they enter through customs control. That alone is evidence enough to me that Scientology is doing something that is on the fringe of legality. If anyone were to go to their consulate, the CoS would receive an official letter demanding the return of the passport to the holder and would either have to comply or lie and deny they ever had it. They cannot possibly have any right to withhold it. That’s my two bits worth on the relationship between Identity, Initiative and passport control. Hope it helps towards some clarity and looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the question.

[@robertaylor9218]

For the sake of her relationship with her sister, I hope this video doesn't get her declared.

[@milivanili2603]

Well... if her sister loves her she will put her first not this stupid control freck of a cult

[@heavymestworker]

3:40 “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Chris Shelton (not really)

[@tantraman93]

Didn't Xenu use tax audits...money play...god play.