How Baboons Led Us to a Lost Civilization

[@pshalleck]

The "Maybe Pwnt is Adilus?" theory makes me imagine that some archaeologist 4000 years from now is going to blow minds when they propose that Istanbul is Constantinople.

[@katbairwell]

Please say they make the connection via a They Might Be Giants record!!

[@zk4761]

Well it's nobodies business but the Turks.

[@peggywoods4327]

Well, good to see we're all on the same page for that! Now if you'll excuse me, I have a song to go listen to...

[@michaelpytel3280]

Even Old New York was once New Amsterdam.

[@drewwolcott8268]

Omg this is actually too funny we must keep the song alive so that it is passed on through oral tradition

[@cedaremberr]

I dunno about Thoth being pleased. He's the god of knowledge, but also more specifically the god of scribes. Maybe he'd be disappointed they never bothered to WRITE IT DOWN!

[@ndemers]

"Ugh well at least they're writing it down FOUR THOUSAND FRICKIN YEARS LATER"

[@N3ur0m4nc3r]

They almost certainly wrote it down. ~99.9% of things written down b.c.e. are ash and dust. But even before that 90% of writing was business transactions. They may have written volumes on the wheres and whys of pwnt but the probability that those writing would be among the survived, is very small. Since those are not facts, one would reiterate in the more copious financial documents or long-lived war memorials. Just as you make no mention of chickens when calling for eggs in a cake recipe..Or a map to Normandy on a WW2 Memorial.

[@IchorX]

@@N3ur0m4nc3r Take it up with hypothetical Thoth.

[@TPixelAdventures]

They wrote it down, but not specifically enough! 😂

[@dragon_nammi]

To be fair the knowledge was almost literally "written" in DNA and within bones containing strontium signatures.

[@jackryan444]

The fact that ancient Egyptians had ancient Egypt scholars, who had many of the same questions about ancient Egypt, will never not blow my mind.

[@smurfyday]

Cleopatra lives closer to us than to when the pyramids were built, something like that...

[@keirfarnum6811]

Trippy huh?

[@hdthor]

@@smurfyday also, the pyramids were built closer to us than to when the sphinx was built!

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@hdthor WHAT

[@hdthor]

@@DeathnoteBB the Sphinx (lion) was built in the Age of Leo (lion), and the Sphinx aligns perfectly to face where the Leo star constellation would’ve been around 8,000 BC. The sphinx’s lion head was re-carved into a pharaoh’s head much later, in the Age of Taurus (bull), which is 2,500 BC, which is also when all the pyramids were built. That’s why the body of the sphinx had eroded tremendously while the head of the sphinx hasn’t eroded much at all. Erosion was very high in 8,000 BC in Egypt because it was a near jungle climate with heavy rains. It became a desert climate with very little rains much later. The erosion on the body of the sphinx dates it to 8,000 BC while the erosion on the head of the sphinx dates it to 2,500 BC. Also, the type of erosion on the sphinx is consistent with rain induced erosion that cleaves deeper grooves from small grooves. Erosion from sand storms cannot do that. Egypt celebrated each age with the accompanying symbols. So during the Age of Taurus, symbology in Egypt was predominantly with apis bull idols. The Age of Taurus is 4,500 year old (2,500 BC), and the Age of Leo is 10,000 years old (8,000 BC). So the pyramids are closer to us (4,500 years apart) than to the sphinx (5,500 years apart). We’re currently in the Age of Aquarius, which started in 1960, and is what the hippie movement was celebrating.

[@jglaab]

my favorite "surprise city" was along the Inca trail where someone tried to cauterize a wound which led to a Forrest fire. After the fire cleared the realized there was a city built around the trail that no one had noticed before with all the undergrowth

[@Xander1Sheridan]

sounds like the child that realized a lot of South American city locations were based on the stars, and used that to make a map that found a ton of lost cities. We know next to nothing about the history of America because of arrogant fools that thought they knew all.

[@greenman6141]

@@Xander1Sheridan And hideous greedy violent idiots. Very like most of the "leading 5%" of today. Who invariably manage to be the most ignorant, uninterested, and crass of people, with the highest opinion of themselves

[@zerioxiii]

What is the name of the city? I want to learn more

[@jglaab]

@@zerioxiii cannot remember, but it was on the last day of the hike before reaching Machu Picchu

[@teotab4293]

@@Xander1Sheridan unfortunately that story has been debunked, even though I would have loved for it to be true

[@Icanhasautomaticcheeseburger]

6:38: "Now, you can't ask a 3,500 year old mummified baboon where it was born." Not with that attitude, you can't...

[@DavidFrostbite]

So Sam... _Where you from?_

[@TPixelAdventures]

​@@DavidFrostbitesmall town called Cambridge, Massachusetts...

[@theninja4137]

I mean you can always ask... You won't get an answer, but asking is certainly within the realm of possibilities

[@melissametivier4]

"I cast Speak With Dead."

[@nontrashfire2]

​@melissametivier4 they make these boards that can help you with that

[@BenschiVids]

I misread the title and was a lot more intrigued before i realised my mistake: "How Baboons lead to a lost civilization" - as in, how they caused one

[@ktburger659]

Same 😂 they can be pretty aggressive…

[@Gyvie-marie]

Sounds even more interesting! 😂

[@zlodevil426]

Thailand 2030 spoilers

[@Arashekhoeur]

Yea was like monkey pox, herpes, ebola, marburg, rabies,... 😅

[@ryankrishneel]

I thought the same lol!

[@beretperson]

How do you lose a whole civilization? You forget to cherish it :(

[@omnirath]

Bruh

[@IrisGlowingBlue]

I understand that reference!

[@thomasbell7033]

Love means never having to say you're sorry. To baboons.

[@michaellewellyn9080]

You vote for 🤡👹💩

[@michaellewellyn9080]

You elect someone who is friendly to Punt-in

[@radix4801]

The mitochondrial DNA is the powerhouse of the anthropology.

[@RebelRosers]

Why are traites like strangthe fitness selected for Exclusively in male side if those are products of mitochondria there's no logic in the biologic

[@sophierobinson2738]

Chubbyemu?

[@philliusphoggwick8299]

Hah yes. I remember when my biology teacher tilted his head, a cherry would roll down into his lips via a contraption.

[@victordelorientis8763]

Anthropology isn't a real science. A pseudo-science at best.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

At 11:30 did anyone notice the two Egyptians who look like they over-did the squats at the gym? WTH?

[@Srfingfreak]

I helped to build Hatshepsut's ship (literally the one at 2:06) to Punt and we sailed it down the Red Sea for a NOVA documentary called "Building Pharaoh's Ship" - in fact, my profile picture is on that ship. There's some videos on my page from on board. It was fun and cool. People thought a keel-less ship with a square sale wouldn't make it down there but it did, and it could even sail upwind.

[@J75Pootle]

wait, you managed to get a keel-less, square sailed ship to go upwind? How?!

[@junk_code1737]

​@@J75Pootlehe's just making up stories

[@Yes-gu2wn]

​@@junk_code1737Tbf his channel does have footage of an boat that filts the bill

[@thunderflame6927]

@@junk_code1737 The video is literally on his page, posted 15 years ago.

[@Nope-w3c]

@@J75Pootle Simple. Find a river with a strong flow. Let your ship follow this flow. Now wait for the wind to change.

[@John.0z]

I remember Punt being the great mystery when I was young. And the last reference I have heard to any advance was that 2005 discovery. To hear that they may now be able to locate Punt shows how far archaeology has come even in my lifetime. Thank you for the update! 😁

[@jameseddleman6944]

Posh sounding Egyptian - "you don't know where Punt is? everyone who is anyone knows."

[@SgtStuka]

"Do you get to the Punt Kingdom very often? Oh what am I saying, Of course you don't!" - Some Rich Egyptian named something like Nzm

[@IchorX]

Only after making fun of our pronunciation probably

[@satanwithinternet2753]

He is about to hear the call of the dragon ​@@SgtStuka

[@Irondragon1945]

​@@SgtStuka😂

[@gregoryjclark81]

Only Hyksos trash knows not of Punt.

[@ajogar]

when i was a kid i had pet hermit crabs, and when they died we burried them as we do with all of our pets, but we wrapped them in paper towels and put them in a ziplock so the local cats wouldn't dig them up. i've always thought about the moment a confused archeologist will dig up a seashell in a plastic bag and wondered what they'll think

[@samuele9735]

It's pretty much what has happened in Cyprus during the Bronze Age Collapse and the Sea People invasion: Cyprus was known to be a huge manufacturer of bronze weapons (Cyprus takes its name from the Latin "Cuprum", or in English "Copper"), but they tried to hide them into the ground to avoid them being stolen from the Sea People, with the intention of unburying them up as soon as the pillagers would move away. But they never did, and the weapons remained buried until recently. Extra History made a whole series about that, here you are the link of the final video of this serie of theirs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXnEoqOJhbubjZo (specifically at the minute 2:25)

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

"This is the point hermit crabs learned how to protect themselves by zipping up their bags."

[@James_Wotring]

​@@tulliusexmisc2191 under rated response!

[@Thomas-cj9uw]

I wonder what they'll make of shopping carts??

[@catherinesanchez1185]

@@Thomas-cj9uw Shopping carts are Goddamn indestructible , so you know they'll still be recognizable

[@DeathnoteBB]

In the future: WHERE IS THIS MART OF WALLS?!

[@glenngriffon8032]

"We're not entirely certain of what the mythical Wall Market was. Written accounts point to a kind of bazaar where one could purchase almost anything. For many communities it was the center of all trade and business. We're not entirely certain either of why the Wall Market failed either. Scholars believe it may have been a large trade dispute with a tribe of Amazons who rose to prominence within the trade routes as well as infringing competition coming from some location known as the Bay of Ei, which has been speculated to exist in ancient Mesopotamia."

[@mcburcke]

Or, where is the mysterious planet "Wally World" located?

[@ancientsouloutdoors4088]

🤣🤣🤣

[@rhoward295]

@@glenngriffon8032​​⁠ We cannot rule out that there were religious rites and sacrifices made to the gods of Bay of Ei and the Mart of Walls. There is some dispute that some may have prayed to, and made sacrifices to these gods. There is also an ancient red dot symbol with rings around it, perhaps indicating an island location. There are many completely circular balls found in some locations. There is some evidence that they made sacrifices on these red stone balls.

[@rickybuhl3176]

'..and why were they so obsessed with busting blocks!?'

[@kingace6186]

Honestly, maybe Adilus was the capital of or a major trading city within Punt. Because it seems that Punts influence expands further east than just Adilus. Similar to how the Axumite Kingdom turned Empire was much bigger than just the city-state of Axum, I assume Punt was also much larger than just Adilus alone.

[@MM22966]

Happens more often than you think. When you get into history an realize entire periods, maybe thousands of years, are labelled things like "Bell Beaker", "Middle Paleolithic", or "Dowris Phase" because they only have rocks, broken pots, holes, and few other scraps to go on, you realize how much of human history is actually a blank hole.

[@tsmithkc]

Future archaeologists searching for the lost civilization of IKEA.

[@kittehgo]

Talking about the cult of IKEA and it's grand temples, it was a world spanning cult with temples in basically every nation on earth. Worshipping the god Allen Key, and something about furniture..

[@thecurrentmoment]

They will look, but get lost

[@crackerjack9320]

And was there a minotaur in the middle of the maze?

[@kittehgo]

@@crackerjack9320 Yes, his name is Sven and he loves fermented herring

[@magnushultgrenhtc]

"You must go to IKEA to recover the missing piece of the puzzle. It has a hexagonal hole like this, you see? Unfortunately, today nobody knows where IKEA was. There are conflicting directions that put it on almost any continent, except possibly the grassy plains of Antarctica."

[@mellissadalby1402]

The mummy of Hatshepsut was lost for decades but when it was finally found they ran DNA analysis and detected that she suffered from Bilharzia and also died from a dental abscess. She was the Mother of Imhotep III and a fierce military strategist and the only female pharaoh during a time of prosperity. She was extremely cool!

[@CorwinFound]

She was really awesome! She started as regent, reigning in the name of her step son but took on the title of Pharaoh, likely to counter political machinations to take power away from her and her young stepson. She lead for 22 years, including as co-Pharoah with her stepson once he came of age, until she died of natural causes. Contrary to early speculation, she seems to have had a very good relationship with her stepson and was beloved of the people. Some of the monuments she had erected stand today as some of the most iconic of ancient Egypt. There is some speculation that she was trans or non-binary (to use modern terms/ideas that weren't around then.) But in inscriptions using her own words she always uses she/her and things like mother and "woman Pharaoh." Not saying it's impossible that she wasn't cis, but the evidence, mostly her wearing traditional masculine Pharaoh attire, was more likely an aspect of being a woman trying (and succeeding!) at leading in a man's world. Regardless of her gender, she was a truly iconic and deeply underrated icon of femininity. I'm at the early stages of an art piece about her, hence all this research. Lol

[@ssu7653]

@@CorwinFound If using "men" clothing makes someone trans, there are alot of trans woman when you look at everyone using pants instead of skirts... Even if we narrow it down to just suit/dress it would be alot

[@FeverDreamRemix]

​@@CorwinFoundWhat in thy fricketh ⁉️

[@stephanieyee9784]

​@@CorwinFound , I despise these modern terms. She was a woman, and proud of it.

[@stephanieyee9784]

​@@ssu7653 , Historically men wore dresses. Look at Jesus.

[@RedHair651]

Baboons were never native to Egypt. Or so we Thoth.

[@lobstersonskateboards3988]

Underrated comment

[@crunchynetto6979]

that is a good one~ 😂

[@wyldebill4178]

You’re such a Nut

[@michelecox5241]

😅😂

[@GamingBoTv]

Not until Netflix touches it.

[@elforeigner3260]

I don’t think Punt was ruled by a serpent made of gold, but a guy whose family name meant “golden serpent” but its hieroglyphics were spelt phonetically

[@marktwain368]

Or Punt is a metaphor for kundalini awakening.

[@artiezonk]

Just a note the Persians ruled ancient Egypt before the Greeks. The way it was stated in the video made it seem like they directly took it from the egyptians. (And before the Persians there was also the Hyksos, the Nubians, and the Assyrians.)

[@Deckzwabber]

Are we sure there's only one place or region designated as Punt? If the Egyptians set out to 're-discover' it after a few centuries of no contact, wouldn't there be a high risk of a Columbusesque India-America confusion?

[@taranoreilly5101]

Very good point. In the years where contact was lost, Punt could have collapsed and been replaced by Adulis.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

They had maps and chronicles. They could learn from those.

[@Pliko3]

So did Columbus it's just ancient maps are notoriously unreliable​@@ginnyjollykidd

[@SAOS451316]

It's unlikely after only a few centuries to have no idea where it was. There were probably just some socio-political conditions that caused the trade to stop for a while. You could have asked for Kemet for thousands of years and still get directions to ancient Egypt, and presumably they just asked if they had arrived in Punt. If you ask for Yngelonde today after a thousand years people will look at you strangely but point to England.

[@origamiswami2275]

​@@ginnyjollykiddYes, in the same way, perhaps, that Columbus learned where India is, getting the right idea after a fashion (it's west as well as east), but still missing it by thousands of miles and misidentifying that other place, what is it, um, North America, yeah, that's it, as India.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Hm maybe I'll go through my recipes and write "chicken" next to every mention of eggs.

[@salemsaberhagan]

Do that on a food blog & you'll probably weird out enough readers that they'll start leaving comments about you eating other kinds of eggs or even being an alien.

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@salemsaberhagansounds fun

[@that1valentian769]

@@salemsaberhagan Gotta differentiate from the homunculus eggs, after all.

[@doyouguysnothavephones8967]

Make sure you also specify cow milk

[@yitzakIr]

Butter (animal fat) Flour (wheat) Beer (Barley)

[@Winst0nChurchill]

Archaeologists of the future: What the hell means "Made in China"? Why is it written on everything?

[@wavion2]

None of those things will last 100 years, let alone thousands!

[@redactedz6146]

@@wavion2 A lot of em are on plastic. There will be enough traces lol

[@mcv2178]

Maiden China, clearly means China is female, and prolly never got married (snicker)

[@imwacc0834]

I think Hogwarts is going to be the big mystery in a few thousand years.

[@Frostbiyt]

It's for ceremonial purposes

[@shirshomuntaha3941]

"Pin point punt" didn't think I'd have that stuck in my head today. Thanks SciShow

[@beingilluminous]

Thank you for making this so much fun to learn! I am 45 and remember loving the concepts of learning about the past, but couldn't really grasp the metrics, methods, and patterns that experts were so fluently able to describe. This video brings in so many collaborative ways to discover the past, and to work together, globally, to understand more-it is a real joy to see the ancient's having their intentions manifest in new ways. Thank you for the Good News avenue as well! I am happy to share that with my fiance, as we have cut out so much of the media and still want to be apart of the positive changes we are working towards!

[@brandongaines1731]

"Ah, lost a PWaNeT, Master Obi-Wan has. How embarrassing. How embarrassing!" Also, I was totally expecting them to be live baboons who incidentally led a research team to a previously uncontacted tribe. As cool of a story as that would have been, this is somehow way cooler!

[@terryhunt2659]

On a lesser level, badgers digging setts in the UK have revealed the locations of forgotten Roman villas.

[@Appletank8]

I was imagining finding a family of baboons living on top of ruins

[@brandongaines1731]

@@terryhunt2659 that's cool!

[@MelissaThompson432]

Yes, this is what my mind supplied based on the title.

[@creepinwhileyousleepin]

If there was trade between them for a long time surely there's some currency and Egyptian goods buried around Eritrea.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

There are. Eritrea is filled with the stuff. The problem is that so are Yemen, Djibouti, Somalia, Ethiopia, and parts of the Arabian peninsula.

[@coolguys9639]

​@andrewsuryali8540 not only the baboons that come from Punt but also: obsidian from the volcanic region, gold, incense, ebony, electrum ,leopard skins ect.. Eritrea have a lot of artifacts coming from Egypt not the other countries mentioned By the way great videos

[@themac9677]

​@@andrewsuryali8540The Abyssinian empire stretched to lower Arabia and Yemen. Makes sense...

[@kurobeard9467]

@@coolguys9639 That is incorrect. Egyptians brought a special type of frankincense from Punt that is only found in modern day Somalia. Eritrean frankincense is considered low quality compared to Somalia. Egyptians also called Punt, Brbr. Somalis were known as Berbers for thousands of years and the chief port in Northern Somalia where Punt would be is called, Berbera. Somalia is also known for producing the best leopard skins in the region which Egyptians brought from Punt. Those Baboons also live in Somalia. Ancient Egyptian artefacts from almost 4000 yrs ago have also been found in Somalia.

[@kurobeard9467]

@@themac9677 Furthermore, Thoth's name (the baboon god) is Djehuti in Egyptian and the Somali country that borders Eritrea is called Djibouti. There's more and more proof for Somalia but the list is too long.

[@threecatsdancing]

I read the YT notification for this video as "How balloons led us to a lost civilization." Wow, I really need new glasses. LOL

[@ancientsouloutdoors4088]

That's okay, when they were showing the newspaper, I thought it said Look for the Herpes. But I'm also slightly dyslexic 🙄

[@Celebration-p3u]

Don't worry! Happens all the time to me...

[@blackshard641]

"It's like America... but SOUTH!"

[@malavoy1]

I read it that way too. It's possible it did and they fixed it. (perhaps it was a typo in the thumbnail).

[@silikei1810]

I read Babylon 😅

[@max30888]

As an Egyptian myself I found this episode very interesting 💯🤩 hope it was longer it's always breathtaking revealing the secrets of such marvelous civilization ❤

[@gangalo68]

Aah, the elusive Baboonilonians.

[@General12th]

Hi Stefan! This is one of the greatest blendings of scientific disciplines I've ever seen.

[@Orholam5]

Agreed! so much needed to be discovered and understood before any scientists could make this discovery

[@LENZ5369]

IMO 'Punt' is not a specific city/kingdom but perhaps the region as a whole; which contained various city states and/or kingdoms -the dominate state being the 'rulers of Punt' as far as the Egyptian were concerned. Adulis and others; were perhaps important/large/wealthy trade cities within said region. We tend to describe the locations of generalized regions (eg. 'Middle east' or Arabia) differently from specific cities/towns.

[@eingoluq]

I'd think you would be wrong. It can only be in The horn of Africa because it is the only place where everything depicted about Punt lines up. All the animals they imported including Giraffes can only be found in Africa. Also the Egyptians said they worshiped the same ancient gods. In that region there is a religion called Waaquism. Waaq is a Hermaphrodic hidden god exactly like Amun. Also they worship a hawk god cslled Huur. Which is obviously their version to Horus. It is 100% NOT in the Arabian peninsula. Even the round raised huts are similar to very ancient Somalian architecture. Also if you look at the Cushitic speakers in the area like The Oromo, Afar, Beja and Tygre and compare them to how the Egyptians depicted themselves and Punt people, they look exactly the same. Even have the same hair styles, even after 4000 years. Those Cushitic people also carry a traditional dagger in their belt and you see the dagger on some of the Punt people depicted in Egyptian artwork. It is clearly in the horn of Africa.

[@theexvegetarianblogger1688]

​@@eingoluqit literally couldn't be in the horn. There wasn't a civilization there to visit until after Hatshepsut went there. They only just hit the first cattle and goat herders arrive about 3000 years ago on the horn coast area. Not one town or city there during Hatshepsuts reign. Also, you had giraffes and hippos in the levant and Arabia. There are rock carvings of giraffes there. They were there until the modern era. Also: multiple Egyptian texts literally say Punt was next to a place in Asia, or it was visited during voyages to Asia and was involved in Asiatic military campaigns. And the Egyptians said they came from Punt, which was to the east. Egyptians were descendants of the Neolithic Israel PPNB farming culture who colonised Egypt about 8000 years ago.

[@theexvegetarianblogger1688]

​@@eingoluq I'd like to add, Cushitic people had (and still have) Levantine farmer/herder ancestry the same as Egyptians (about half non African ancestry) and they hadn't arrived in the horn of Africa until about 3000 years ago.... They weren't actually in the Somalia region when Hatshepsut visited there. As for the round huts; those are marshland habitations and you'd see the same thing thousands of years ago where the sea of Galilee emptied into the red sea.

[@eingoluq]

@@theexvegetarianblogger1688 poor response. There wasn't a civilization there? are you stupid? There were people who lived there for thousands of years. are you so dumb you truly think there needed to be a huge ass civilization for people to trade with other people? 🤣🤣🤣 Also, It literally is the only place it could be. Giraffes were NEVER native to the Arabian peninsula. NEVER They were imported in... via Punt most likely. in fact, the Bible actually tells us Punt was the horn of Africa. When Egypt ruled Canaan, the Israelites during the Iron Age invented the story of Noah and his children "Ham" (which comes from the Egyptian "Kem" for the dark soil along the Nile) Ham's children were Canaan(because Egypt ruled it at the time), Mizraim(Egypt), Kush(Cush) and Phut(Punt)... In that order. [Genesis 10:6]. Biblical scholars claim Punt was Libya, but we see Punt and Libya referenced as different people in the bible too, so they were clearly separate and Ham's children represented the black people across the Red Sea. There is also a part that said that a leader came down the nile from Punt and went to Lybia to rule them. the other regions of the Arabian peninsula was represented by Noah's other children. the nail is in the coffin on this one. It is because of this connection this region had with "the land of the gods" in Greek mythology, that Poseidon and Zeus are said to visit the Ethiopians often. It is literally impossible for Punt to not be in Africa. because the Egyptians describe two ways to get to it" -via the Nile then on land -or via the Red Sea in a southern then westerly direction there are other parts of the bible that said warriors from Punt joined Egypt's military. and many Ethiopians/Nubians/horn of African peoples have joined forces with Egypt throughout history, from the Nubian Medjay, to neolithic speakers and other Cushitic speakers associated with the Kingdom of Yam.

[@eingoluq]

@@theexvegetarianblogger1688 Their Levantine ancestry means JACK squat if their presence in the region was so low, it did not even affect they traditional mythology. Egypt, Kush, and Cushitic peoples their religions is deeply African in origin and nowhere near similar to Middle Eastern mythology. so that means whatever presence the levnat had was minor. in fact one of the mistakes you people make is thinking their phenotypical features came from the levant when in actuality it came from the cold highlands of Ethiopian regions. so whatever Levantine DNA they had would be as insignificant as a white American claiming to be Navajo became their great great great great grandfather was one.

[@torkhi6349]

I did a lead isotope analysis to identify the nation of origin of some bullets pulled from a WWI trench for my undergrad research project. They were very likely from the US.

[@4RILDIGITAL]

Incredible how these ancient civilizations were already involved in international trade, sending expeditions to acquire valuable goods, and even keeping records of them.

[@stefthorman8548]

Look up the british isles, without international trade, the Bronze age is an no go, since tin is so rare.

[@callofbrokendreams]

The ancient trade was much more vibrant than we think. Rome to china wasnt just on land through silk road but also from the sea being navigated by indian sailors, we even have evidence of indus valley having some trade relation with mesapotamia. While the situation is unclear about civilizations in america, the big civilizations in europe, asia and africa were trading quite well far back in time too.

[@tealkerberus748]

Baltic amber was another trade good that has been found a long way from its source in sites from a very long time ago. People have been establishing trade routes longer than we've been building permanent villages.

[@SueFerreira75]

Thank you, Stefan Chin. You present the story wonderfully well.

[@eingoluq]

BTW Adulis is right next to the country of Djibouti... Thoth's actual Egyptian name was Djuhuti. Djibouti may have been named after the Baboons they exported.

[@zenqx-j3v]

adulis is in my country eritrea we are not next to eachother

[@eingoluq]

@@zenqx-j3v Eritrea shaes a border with Djibouti.

[@atomf9143]

This is an insanely well put together video! You cover so many sciences in such a short span of time without ever getting confusing. That’s not easy.

[@greenman6141]

I was walking around Hatshepsut's temple about 35 years ago. There were a number of us being shown around by a gentleman from Luxor. He was pointing out the Punt trip friezes. Someone asked where it was, "Eritrea" he said. I wonder what else he already knows the answers to.

[@shafsteryellow]

North somalia

[@zenqx-j3v]

@@shafsteryellow Eritrea*

[@Gubby365]

I just got back from visiting Eritrea 🇪🇷 it was life changing for me! The Baboons were so cool to see among many other things. So cool that I has such a rich history

[@Emperorerror]

It's so cool how history and science can interweave so significantly

[@GuyDandy]

This is SO COOL. Adored learning about this process.

[@Echo81Rumple83]

This would've made a very interesting episode of I.M. Weasel (spin-off from Cow and Chicken) where I.R. Baboon would be revered as a god in Punt, but at a cost of being mummified or being offered to the sacrificial pyres. And then comedic hyjinx ensues 😆

[@Gnsdtc]

Somebody remembers I am weasel! The greatest show ever! I r baboon!

[@MossyMozart]

- +_"...Baboon would be revered as a god in Punt, but at a cost of being mummified..."_ - - - - - - Do you know what Egyptians did to the cats they worshipped? YIKES! On the PBS _NOVA_ channel, watch the episode "Cat Tales" about the evolution and history of the kitty in which Egypt played a big part. The last I looked, it was still available for free on their KZbin channel. (Unfortunately, "Dog Tales" is gone - you'll need a PBS Passport membership to see that episode until such time as comes back for free.)

[@grovermartin6874]

This is really exciting! We've been tracking the Land of Punt for decades. Thank you for this great presentation!

[@panelvixen]

I've got something you should see Back at my place; come with me I've got some brand new furnishings Plus 99 dead baboons 99 dead baboons Sitting in my living room Not too functional it seems But quite a conversation piece This one's Jake, that one's Dinah There's Big Ned in my recliner No it's not a lazy boy Can't you see it's a dead baboon? -Tim Cavanagh

[@bestlaidplans2024]

11:34 Also interesting to note that in this 'Procession of the Prince of Punt' we see two characters that aren't the standard rail thin depiction of a human but rather have very stocky legs and washboard abs. I've not seen that before in Egyptian art

[@walterulasinksi7031]

As is mentioned here incense was one of the imports. Frankincense is from the Afar region of Ethiopia. They would also have trade with other subsaharan cultures for Ebony and Ivory and exotic animals such as baboons

[@RobertJohnson-bj5lk]

0:57 - millennials might say that PWNT got “pwned”!

[@SB-qm5wg]

Even receipts from 200 years ago are hard to follow and leave info taken for granted out.

[@svartiske3283]

Really nice video. The intro brought character to the historic events, and on top of being a fascinating story, it's cool to know that the hopes and wishes of 19th century archaeologists are being fulfilled by this ongoing effort.

[@Robinwhiteart]

What places used ladders to get up into buildings? That idea was mentioned early on in the video. Wouldn't that description help to locate where Punt was? At least narrow it down some?

[@_andrewvia]

Here's a topic: When did tongues become a thing? What was the first animal with a tongue?

[@naturesfinest2408]

If I remember correctly. Tongues, as we know them, are primarily for land animals. Tongues were needes for land animals to swallow food. while in the ocean you can gulp or force your food in with suction.

[@jimbucket2996]

​@@naturesfinest2408have you ever caught a fish? They have tounges.

[@naturesfinest2408]

@@jimbucket2996 theyre arent used for the same reason. And, if i remember correctly its been a minute, they are not real tongues. At least not at all like the tongues of land animals.

[@piltdownfilms]

Why do we have chins? No other hominid species does.

[@yitzakIr]

@@jimbucket2996I know fish have tongues because there's that isopod that eats & replaces their tongue

[@corberus3119]

reminds me of a story about an early dictionary with the phrase "everyone knows what a horse is"

[@casual_nihilism]

Might be my new all time fav of sci show videos

[@patriciasiemann7525]

Thank you for making this translation! It was so fun to listen to the song with you!

[@Ron-n4j1l]

Excellent presentation. Thank you!

[@shannonolivas9524]

"Primatological continuity", love it.

[@sarahjohnson6432]

Kinda seemed that the ancient art of the baboons also match the physical descrip of P. hamadryas, at least with the big ear floofs.

[@sharondornhoff7563]

Makes sense, as they're the type which lives closest to Egypt geographically. Problem is, that type of baboon is found across a fairly large area spanning multiple countries, so just knowing the imported baboons' particular species doesn't narrow Punt's exact location down much.

[@rarelife1]

A problem with this theory is that Adulis wasn't known for frankincense or spices like cinnamon which the Egyptians got from Punt. The Egyptians didn't make the voyage to Punt just for Baboons but for the incense to burn in their temples and reading the text that's what they were really after and made the place holy. Only two places near the red sea were known in the ancient world for incense resins Yemen and Somalia but only one has the African animals that Punt exported. All evidence leads to Somalia.

[@coolguys9639]

DUde Adulis is a port ..and surroundings have Ebony (woods)+ Encens + volcanic Obsidian go watch to the analyse of volcanic study of ancient Egyptians more of the analyse come from next to (adulis zone) Eritrea are found ancient pottery from Ancient port of Egypt Berenike you can excluded Adulis port

[@nassri90]

punt was located more or less in the region which nowdays is the northern coast of somalia. it was inhabitated by nomad pastors, and was relatively rich in resources like the ones mentioned. to make one example, is the only place in the world where the incense plant grows spontaneously.

[@pedigreeann]

I assume you use 'pastors' to describe shepherds. In modern English, 'pastor' is used mostly to describe the priests of some Protestant churches, who are supposed to be the shepherds of their congregations.

[@balajixerox5412]

"Fascinating video on the lost civilization of Punt! I can't help but wonder if Punt could be linked to the ancient South Indian kingdom of "Pandya". The maritime prowess and trading connections described in the video remind me of what I've read about the Pandyas("pand"yas). I'm not an expert, but it's intriguing to consider such connections between ancient cultures. Great content!"

[@TheSleepSteward]

Punt will now and for as long as humanity roams this Earth, be known as, Pwenenet.

[@Willy_Tepes]

The fact that the houses of Punt were built on poles tells us that it was a low lying area prone to flooding. A large city is always located next to a river because of the need for fresh water. There are a limited number of options along the coast.

[@biosparkles9442]

A lot of lakes and rivers that were present in 2500 BCE in the region are gone now, the entirety of north eastern Africa has undergone substantial aridification over the past 8,000 years.

[@worschtebrot]

This was a really cool episode. Thank you!

[@johnbeckman2698]

This video is a roller coaster A+ content

[@gwdexter]

A whole video about Punt that *doesn’t* mention or show the extremely … shall we say.. distinctive depiction of the Queen of Punt from Hatshepsut’s temple? A brave choice!

[@88smileandnod]

Well now you gotta spill the temple beans, what sort of distinctive was it??

[@disregardthat]

@@88smileandnod she was depicted with features that suggest she had steatopygia. biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig booty

[@accountretired9479]

@@88smileandnod Google ''Queen of Punt'' and go take a look at the images

[@gwdexter]

@@88smileandnod google “queen of punt”

[@ruthlesslistener]

Can't just lead us on like that dude

[@piltdownfilms]

The beginning of the video had me thinking of the parody song "99 Dead Baboons"

[@brandongaines1731]

Never heard it, but sounds hilarious!

[@piltdownfilms]

@@brandongaines1731 It's here on youtube. :)

[@teemusid]

The original version, 99 Tot Pavian, was amazing.

[@dreamleaf6784]

Lmao!

[@B2WM]

@@piltdownfilms Now, my German is rusty, but... Affen toten hinterher, Pwnt zu finden, das ist schwer...

[@deborahbloom4624]

Of course, just because the Egyptians called the land Punt, it doesn't mean that that is what the people of that country called THEMSELVES. Even today we have an example of this....the US calls Finland...well...Finland, but that is NOT the name of the country or its peoples. The actual name of Finland is Suomi and the people of Suomi are called Suomalainen. Soooo....If we looked through the historical references of cultures contemporaneous to ancient Egypt for descriptions of a similar country, we might find a country that fits, but is called something other than Punt.

[@danidejaneiro8378]

Germany = Deutschland China = Zhonguo Georgia = Sakartvelo Greece = Hellas

[@realtalk6195]

Exonym vs Endonym.

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

Imagine virtue signaling like this for an extinct people lol

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

They have done that. No records are known that have that information.

[@PastaEngineer]

Havent watch past the intro yet, but specifying the baboons r very very dead has me worried. Was it a snitches get stitches sort of affair?

[@nervaaugustus7089]

More like "we dug up your mummified pets for science" sort of affair.

[@coryman125]

I find this sort of thing endlessly interesting. Hopefully in the near-ish future, we can get some really concrete answers and learn more about Punt!

[@zileris]

6:38 the delivery on the punchline here was absolutely perfect.

[@azjaguardesign]

#Thoth sez … “Finally! I’ve been waiting millennia for you’se “humanos” to figure that one out!” 🦅 0:01

[@Satire-Gaming]

pwnt? they were using leetspeak!

[@alveolate]

goddamn egyptians really were the first in everything... including letting archeaologists know they got pwnt

[@geeshanbandaraphotographer3925]

I was waiting for this comment! 😅

[@Argacyan]

Missed to mention, even in passing, that as of 4 months ago there's even a political entity which effectively declared independence from Somalia while declaring itself "Puntland".

[@gastonmarian7261]

Hail Thoth, keeper of knowledge, who shared writing with humanity. You who passed sacred utterance, that we may speak our dreams into being. With the Word bringing Light to the World, and with your Grace and timeless Wisdom that the Word may become Flesh.

[@papusman]

So cool to see how the varying scientific disciplines can connect to reenforce each other like this! Genetics, physics, and archaeology helping to solve a historical mystery. Love it.

[@adiposerex5150]

Wow. That white haired baboon's fur. My hair is now white; I'd love that hairdo.

[@Matios25]

Archeologists suspect white hair baboons can trace back their origins to Old Valyria.

[@Mr53000]

Northern Somalia is now divided into two separate nations: Somaliland and Puntland. Puntland is in the northeast.

[@a.karley4672]

True - but most states don't recognise Somaliland or "Puntland" (new to me!) as distinct from "Somalia".

[@felixmakinda7689]

I have always known Punt to be the land of the Somalis (parts of Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya and Djibouti).

[@zenqx-j3v]

As an eritrean from adulis stop claiming my history leave us alone

[@zenqx-j3v]

@@felixmakinda7689 well now u know its eritrea

[@Ysf4000]

@@zenqx-j3vu stop stealing our history lmao

[@avsmtg]

Maybe Pwnt is just an Egyptian version of Atlantis or maybe just a description of any place they traded for goods.

[@shafsteryellow]

Somalia.

[@alphakowaclips]

Imagine pwnt ends up being the ancient version of a mall 😂

[@a.karley4672]

But other scribes working for (say) people buying in timber for making building scaffolding from) would specify "5000 paces of boards, half-a-cubit by two-fingers ; made of Cedar, from Lebanon". So, which was normal (Lebanon-style or Pwnt-Style)? Or did they change (repeatedly)?

[@paulkinzer7661]

Wow! What a great episode! The humor helps, too. Great writing. And an involved, multi-disciplinary, narrative that spans entire disciplines of science across millennia. Seriously, if this was turned into a book, I'd devour it!

[@BrianM-44041]

Future archaeologists: where was this margaritaville? Perhaps where the parrots are!

[@LogicDuel]

I originally thought the title meant that some baboons grabbed some humans hand and guided them to the ruins of an ancient civilization. Like a child showing their parent something cool

[@Samu2010lolcats]

Random guy on the internet today: get Pwnt! Ancient egyptians: let's go to Pwnt!

[@steve1978ger]

All we can infer is that Pwnt got pwnt at some point in time.

[@austinwald2731]

What a tantalizing connection to Punt!

[@joaquimb.369]

I am loving this recent archeological spin to this channel.

[@blackshard641]

Where did you last remember having it?

[@M.Adam.M937]

Pwent/Punt is just modern day Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea

[@zenqx-j3v]

As an Eritrean i disagree it is adulis

[@Vinemaple]

Note that speculation about Punt included Eritrea much earlier. Since Ethiopia was considered in said speculation, in fact. The writers missed that Eritrea was politically part of Ethiopia from 1952 to 1993. The absurd Eritrea-shaped hole in the map at 4:24 never actually existed. Nobody was looking in Eritrea before 1993 because Adilus was officially in Ethiopia. (some details about research practices and Eritrean politics have been simplified for brevity)

[@biosparkles9442]

Yeah, all speculations have always been of somewhere coastal. Using 21st century maps for 19th and 20th century descriptions of places is pretty silly.

[@WestOfEarth]

Fascinating detective work, piecing all the science evidence together.

[@ICasinI]

Countertheory: Punt is the world’s first franchise store.

[@glossaria2]

What about looking at the other end of the supply chain? If Egypt was trading with Punt, theoretically there would be Egyptian trade goods IN Punt. And if we know what goods Egypt was getting from Punt...is there evidence that those goods were produced in that region in the past?

[@a.karley4672]

Theoretically ... But if what the Punt end of the trade route wanted was anonymous gold bullion ,,, and they then mixed that with their own sources (river panning, several sources in central-eastern Africa to this day) ... it gets *really* hard to work out the trade history from just isotopic data of gold artefacts made in Punt itself.

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

The problem is knowing specifically where it was. Our search is centered around the area the red sea empties into the gulf. It could be anywhere in Eritrea. Djibouti, Somalia, Ethiopia or Yemen. Was it a large kingdom that encompassed the whole area? It seems that punt was a stable kingdom throughout much of ancient egypts history. Egypt was the southwestern edge of the known ancient world. No one else really had contact with them. All ancient true cinnamon comes from Sr Lanka. I think egypt was likely keeping trade routes a secret. I'm willing to bet cinnamon traded by sea was cheaper than that traded by land. As today there was less overhead cost.

[@a.karley4672]

@@DavidWalls-sr1pg "Indian" sailors figures a 3-way "triangular" trade using the winds of the monsoon system, between the SW Indian coast, the mouth of the Red Sea, and the East African coast (Zanzibar - Kilwa Maosko) a long time ago. Long before Europeans exploited a similar set of winds in the Atlantic. Just how far back it goes, nobody knows. But the great Chinese voyages of trade in the 12th century met it. Whether it pre-dates them to the Romans (who knew "of" India") or Alexander (who knew "of" India before he took the land route) ... ? It's certainly not inconceivable that one corner of the "triangle" was in the Red Sea- Gulf of Aden area. But i know of no *evidence* for that idea.

[@DavidWalls-sr1pg]

@@a.karley4672 punt is the evidence

[@ProjectZ36]

6:27 "Includes them among the gifs"

[@SailorGreenTea]

2:12, no, it was probably a metaphor for something like a golden snake. Hmm, what might that be?

[@patrickbueno3279]

A person that is don with gold and snake skin?

[@TheSietch]

Thx! Never heard of Punt. This was very interesting.

[@hmmitj]

Excellent Material and presentation 100/100 - Keep up the good

[@kimschroder9354]

How do you loose a civilization? You forget to cherish it!

[@sunny_muffins]

Now do a video about the *Cocaine Sharks* off the coast of Brazil.

[@a.karley4672]

I raised this very topic on Slashdot last week. The response was boringly predictable.

[@sunny_muffins]

@@a.karley4672 Thanks for the reply 👍

[@raedwulf61]

"Poont." In thirty years as a Red Sea archaeologist, I don' think I have ever heard that pronunciation before. Good chuckle.

[@tuftela]

How have you pronounced it? This is so interesting :)

[@Kaede-Sasaki]

​@@tuftela Commented to find the answer

[@raedwulf61]

@@tuftela As it is spelled in English "Punt."

[@the_phobia]

It's actually pahwnt.

[@raedwulf61]

@@the_phobia Said no one.

[@DonnaQuh]

your energy is the perfect pick-me-up on any day! ☕

[@kmichael2248]

Thanks for the egg story. It was the clearest explanation of why ancient writings don't always offer answers. 😊

[@BetoSan79]

"They're dead" Shock.