Scopaesthesia challenges the limits of consciousness

Scopaesthesia challenges the limits of consciousness | Rupert Sheldrake

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@TheInstituteOfArtAndIdeas 20 күн бұрын

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@camrodam4429 9 күн бұрын

Due to pseudoscience promotion, unsubscribing from your channel. Hope you'll improve in the future.

@PhilGregory101 Ай бұрын

Subscription fatigue gets everyone eventually. The IAI charging £7.99 a month for access to the full videos is grossly overpriced and unrealistic for most people already struggling with monthly bills. Rather than charge this high price and attract just a few subscribers, the IAI should reduce it's price to an easily affordable amount of just £0.99 per month for full access and that way we can all afford to learn and benefit from such discussions.

@dave-cripps Ай бұрын

And pointless when you can search the speakers name and find another video where they explain their ideas, sometimes 2-3 years ago.

@kelsangbasbelda5675 18 күн бұрын

@@dave-cripps link please? haha

@swas2907 2 күн бұрын

Point

@anonymousbosch9265 23 күн бұрын

In the military we did experiments on this principle to test different camouflage face paint configurations to trick the human face recognition software. The unscientific anecdotal data I took was that the “feeling like” you’re being watched was some information picked up in the visual field recognizing a partial face but not enough to trigger face recognition. I maintain serious skepticism on the idea of our eyes projecting anything regardless of European children’s intuition on the matter

@TerriblePerfection Ай бұрын

I'm 68, so I'm pretty sure no one is looking at me. I could make a strong case that I'm invisible.

@JR-xz6vd Ай бұрын

@@TerriblePerfection 😂

@savage22bolt32 18 күн бұрын

🏆Best Comment Award 🏆

@Epileptick0 Күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@donaldjmccann Ай бұрын

While I am deeply skeptical about this phenomenon, I remember trying it with members of my school class when I was about 15. One female in the class never failed to look at me when I was staring at her. I don't 't know why I never tried developing this; I gave up the practice but still to this day remember the name of the girl, who will be in her 70's by now.

@camrodam4429 9 күн бұрын

That only proves she knew you had a crush on her, or thought you were the class creep. Pick your poison.

@badcarlos551 Ай бұрын

Has anyone ever had that strange experience where you simply cannot find something that is directly in front of you? You ask someone whether they've seen XYZ, and they say, 'it's right there, in front of you' and it suddenly pops into your field division and consciousness.

@adamant8501 Ай бұрын

@@badcarlos551 i could explain but bro, its right in front of you once aggain Zen proverb., Tree is, where tree isn't

@lisam9866 27 күн бұрын

@@badcarlos551 "When you can't see what you're looking for, it's often referred to as 'inattentional blindness' - a phenomenon where you fail to perceive something obvious in plain sight because your attention is focused elsewhere." *focus* Good question. ☮️❤️🌞

@ellehooq 2 күн бұрын

I've stared at someone through a window a floor above and the person turned around 180 and looked up right at me like they knew. I was very embarrassed

@MarkSlaterMusic 8 күн бұрын

I keep dropping into IAI on KZbin and rarely get beyond minute. Not something I would pay for

@alvarobelevan Күн бұрын

another minute to make your comment and editing 😂

@jarrod8579 4 күн бұрын

I'm not European but I don't remember ever believing that vision required some sort of projection, and I don't see how the mirror problem supports that idea. It seems like an unnecessarily convoluted way of looking at a relatively straightforward process, but I guess maybe I'm missing something about this argument.

@TheJonesMcCoy 14 күн бұрын

This quite true, I did this experiment when I was a kid to a teacher by telling my friend to stare at the teacher with me from distance.. And the teacher look back. She did not notice us but she took time looking back to search who is staring at her.

@benjamMin2780 12 сағат бұрын

I think we will find that we do not directly bend the spoon. But our mind bends around the spoon itself. 🧠🕯️

@trentostgaard Ай бұрын

If we want to take this idea seriously we should be positing a mechanism for how it functions, maybe here we get the idea that the brain projects into the environment. I would rather imagine that it could be some observer collapse of the wave function we could be aware of. In the reality of the scenario there are light signals being exchanged and this phenomena would likely be resulting from those signals, so somehow our brain would be interpreting the difference between random signals and signals coming from an observer. More specifically it could be coming from an observers eyes considering the phenomenon posits that we must be being seen in order to experience it. So how would this mechanism be differentiated from random signals, what is it about being seen that changes the signals, and how do we interpret the signals? It gets murky quickly, why would it matter whether they looked at your back or your feet? Personally this seems like a long standing belief based on erroneous assumptions that people are quick to buy into. Even if you are unaware there is a person looking at you, your feeling of it being the case could easily be formed based on other input from your environment such as sounds, smells, vibrations, and sociological factors where you are aware there are likely to be people around. In the test cases the best case should be a person behind a one way mirror where they are given no indication of the presence of an observer, and they should not be given a prompt of when to guess rather they should need to inform of their own volition when they are having the feeling. If there were any rate of success even nearing chance you could then expand to different trials to see how they fare when more signals between the observer and test subject are allowed.

@lonelycubicle Ай бұрын

Right. Assume it’s mainly sound.

@VonJay Ай бұрын

I think hilbert space wavefunction collapse can only go so far because it uses markovian non stochastic processes, meaning “the current state affects all future states.” So a simple wavefunction collapse wouldn’t be enough for you to know someone’s staring at you. But if you incorporate Non Markovian Stochastic processes, where memory and history affects future states, then you could incorporate the way the “wavefunction” (no longer a smooth curve because of the inclusion of memory and randomness kernels) is affected by the memory of the system or non local system, like distinct perturbances in air molecules when light from you skin reaches another person’s retinas that’s in a certain position and orientation, an EM signature that would have a different “memory” (distinct EM signature of air molecules from someone who’s not staring at you) than that of light hitting surfaces of the body (and not staring retinas). Could be distinct “momentum sinks” between EM signatures of those staring and not staring. But such things can only be accounted for in non markovian stochastic processes since there is no memory involved in the schrödinger equation or in hilbert spaces.

@anonymousbosch9265 23 күн бұрын

@savage22bolt32 18 күн бұрын

@@anonymousbosch9265if our eyes project the image, why can we only see it when the image is reflecting light? Turn the lights off, and the image disappears.

@kylebowles9820 8 күн бұрын

Light doesn't leave your eyes but information goes to your eyes from your brain, some estimates say just as much as what comes from the eye! Cool story though, bro. As a computer scientist who works with optics and ray tracing, "virtual images" are purely caused by magnification, nothing to do with the human perception. This talk is just a series of anecdotes but at least he's entertaining.

@ChadKovac Ай бұрын

Where does the reflection in the mirror come from if viewed by a camera?

@UjjwalKumar_234 Ай бұрын

Obviously from behind the mirror ...😂

@savage22bolt32 18 күн бұрын

@@UjjwalKumar_234 I see smoke & mirrors

@kylebowles9820 8 күн бұрын

It does come from the real (not mirrored) world, but check out the "spherical mirror equations" to see how those "virtual images" work

@nigelkelley3004 21 күн бұрын

I’m not sure the feeling of being watched is related to this topic entirely. I think there is more at play with our senses than just vision. And visual projection doesn’t even explain vision much less the phenomenon of being watched.

@petervandenengel1208 Ай бұрын

5:17 When your right side in the mirror becomes the left side of the figure standing before you. It is not the same body anymore. You are looking at something else (which has changed in position). So where has the lost information gone? Is it somewhere else in spacetime we cannot see? When I see you in the video image, your left side has become right in my vision. But I still know for you it really is your left side of the body. While standing in front of the mirror I know its left side is really my right side. While it never becomes the right side of its body. It simply cannot. So your 'projection' (if that is what it is, while the lens it goes through is not a mirror), is not the same 'real' body as that of mine in the mirror. Because you know your real left side will never become your right. So somehow we are trained by looking in mirrors, the other person could at the same time be you. Because his left shoulder contains the same image information. Looking at yourself.

@badcarlos551 Ай бұрын

Mirrors are small pocket dimensions that simulate, in reverse, what we see in ours when they reflect the information back to us

@petervandenengel1208 Ай бұрын

So the picture on the surface we see does not really exist. Not for a 'non' (outside) abstract observer. Only measuring the impact on the surface itself.

@mygirldarby Ай бұрын

Images enter our eyes upside down. Our brain decodes it and puts it right side up.

@petervandenengel1208 Ай бұрын

I see. But the real world is not upside down. This probably is because the light is coming in from above. While gravity comes from below. So it corrects it in our vision. Otherwise the world would not be practical. For the position we are in at least. The picture is not the thing itself.

@kimsherlock8969 Ай бұрын

@@petervandenengel1208 Definitely a good point 👉 Cut anyones portrait photography down the centre There are 2 , perspectives. One left one right both different in expression 😆

@c.z.6716 28 күн бұрын

PTSD also sharpens this instinct.

@Gabbargaamada Күн бұрын

@c.z.6716 it doesn't sharpen the instinct. It is paranoid behaviour. You sort of think that others are looking at you all the time. Sometimes, when you turn the head, you find that they are indeed looking at you. It is about bias, not necessarily instinct. 8/10 times they are not looking at you. Even if they did, PTSD makes your body language off and you have a self-awareness of that and can easily guess that others must be looking at you. It has got nothing to do with having this instinct at all.

@JohnLynch-b7e 23 сағат бұрын

4:24. Okay , but if youre blind,. Is the man still there ( before me)? Someone is superstitious only if they fear their belief. Im thinking about what youve Said regarding extramission and intramission. I keep looking at the parking garage at th end of my block...i know the light is bouncing off that structure, which informs me is a parking garage, it enters my eye, and my mind says, "there it is still, at the end of the street, and i like It." It is there; at the end of the street, if it was within me, I could move it about. I am receiving an image thru my eyes.

@Goodellsam 9 күн бұрын

The hair can and does rise on my neck when someone is looking at me in a quiet space. Maybe I am hearing and not feeling.

@josejrtuti 29 күн бұрын

I like Rupert but this idea of projecting the image through the eyes is kind of medieval. If that was the case, how could I see him in this video? (he’s obviously not here, in space or time)

@savage22bolt32 18 күн бұрын

If our eyes project the image, why does it disappear when the lights are turned off?

@ColinMcCormack Ай бұрын

The blind person and a stick was due to Gregory Bateson. I was hoping for something more empirical than a series of surveys. Finally, the story about mirrors needed more smoke

@rosemarysteel5801 Ай бұрын

3.06 Rupert 30 years ago you were commenting on reverse cosmology does that play any part on reflection and hemispheres

@JohnLynch-b7e 23 сағат бұрын

6:27. Now im not a ninja, but ashida kim claimed to be One. He said when stalking a Target, to not look directly at the Target . I dont know. I was ten when i read that book.

@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 27 күн бұрын

When my eyes are directed at the night-sky ,I actually project galaxies and milkyways ,throught my eyes.😅

@sitindogmas 24 күн бұрын

love how the name was given 😂

@UjjwalKumar_234 Ай бұрын

The institute of brainfarts and pseudoscience. @4:50 The way he glossed over the virtual image formation behind mirror, its clear that he too knows he is bshitting. But since one is got to try unto death to leave a legacy, stick one must, in the dying days, to the junk that he thought was a breakthrough in his prime. 😂

@TheJackjack Ай бұрын

I think you have grammar issues

@santiagoangulo Ай бұрын

I'm skeptical about this to say the least. But hey I'm skeptical about most things in life.

@lemonsys Ай бұрын

It's interesting to me the extent to which the lack of any known existing causal mechanism which might explain a phenomena biases against believing the phenomena may be real - this is a good heuristic for bullshit detection. But science shouldn't be based on bullshit detection heuristics that assume we already know all the relevant causal mechanisms. The question is if the phenomena exists, independent of whether it makes any sense based on our current causal assumptions - I don't know, does it? Has the idea been taken seriously enough to actually see if it does exist, or does it set off our bullshit detectors too strongly to actually to science anymore? (There's a general problem here I think, because science can't test every weird idea, we have to focus our resources on ideas that seem promising - but how do we tell before hand what these are? Surely it can't be the assumption that we already know everything worth looking for on the presumption that we already know all the relevant causal mechanisms.)

@sitindogmas 24 күн бұрын

wonder what all these cameras are doing ? the information is a whole other creature, but its happening, as a father, i see it, especially having kids with a 25 year age difference ✌️

@ashleywendel7173 29 күн бұрын

I believe it can be a trainable skill, that starts simply by raising your self awareness of the world around you. Put the phone down, and focus on the world around you as you move thru it, and you'll be amazing at what you begin to notice.

@hershyfishman2929 Ай бұрын

Nonsense! (literally)

@kimsherlock8969 Ай бұрын

Training how to watch your back 😊

@AmandaCook-rc8ce 22 күн бұрын

My husband places the camera in the area I don't know. I'll be doing something and automatically look at the camera wherever it's located in the room. Know I know why. 😅 creepy.

@MADVESSEL Ай бұрын

Buffing scopaesthesia to navigate the surveiilence state

@fr57ujf Ай бұрын

Yes, children believe this until they learn it is nonsense.

@mazharali4163 Ай бұрын

❤❤

@camrodam4429 9 күн бұрын

Occam's razor. 1. People are social creatures, we will always *feel* more watched when in company (spotlight effect). 2. Confirmation bias. We remember only the times we looked and saw someone looking back, forget all the times we looked and nobody looked back. 3. No more need for all the hypothetical superpowers or deities to add on to the above. Even a posh English accent can't wash away the flood levels of BS here. Unfortunately, the promotion of pseudoscience is a hard no for me, so unsubscribing from this channel.

@danielberkowitz3524 17 күн бұрын

I listened for him for a minute. This guy is a quack. Shame on IAI for platforming this goof.

@kimsherlock8969 Ай бұрын

Dogs 🐕 are human beings companions They will allert danger before you need to defend yourself

@heatfield4243 26 күн бұрын

KZbin needs a woo woo filter.

@Thomas-gk42 Ай бұрын

Unfortunately this guy is a pseudoscientist

@stephensmith7995 Ай бұрын

Science that makes you uncomfortable because it challenges your worldview is not pseudoscience. Your comment says more about you than him.

@Thomas-gk42 Ай бұрын

@@stephensmith7995 Hehe, what does it tell you about me? Sheldrake thinks the sun (and all stars) are conscious, a giantic hot plasma ball, but its internal structure is less complex as my moring milk shake. Yes, that does tell me something about him, and this video fits perfect, though I admit, I stopped watching it at the half. Of course you can believe all that stuff, and that´s fine, but don´t call it science.

@robbiespence6504 Ай бұрын

@@Thomas-gk42define 'conscious'

@stephensmith7995 Ай бұрын

@@Thomas-gk42 You probably didn't read his paper "Is the Sun Conscious?". It's clearly a thought experiment. He never claims that the sun is conscious, he asks the question and steel-mans it as a thought experiment which is clear in his conclusion on page 18 of the paper.

@Thomas-gk42 Ай бұрын

@stephensmith7995 okay, thanks

@matswessling6600 Ай бұрын

pseudoscience... if only Randi was here...

@timflelter5566 29 күн бұрын

Randi is a scam artist. His experiments are basically designed to fail.

@user_user1337 Ай бұрын

ahm, no it doesn't.

@ChadKovac Ай бұрын

Ahm, we don't even know why an electron exists. We can only describe physics, and poorly. Even Dr Michael Levin has yet to explain why various sorting algorithms have affinity for each other. Who are you to know anything? Who am I? Sit back and enjoy the experience. 😊

@clivesmith9377 Ай бұрын

This has happened to me, several times.

@francescodepau1274 Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your well articulated opinion

@Thomas-gk42 Ай бұрын

@@ChadKovac Your fantasy can create a lot, but that doesn´t prove science wrong, right?

@ChadKovac Ай бұрын

@@Thomas-gk42 I don't have fantasies. I'm trying to understand reality as it is not projecting my past experiences and prejudices upon potentially new information. How about you?

@MaximusAbrams Ай бұрын

handwavy

@elasteroidedepapel Ай бұрын

Nha

@secretweapon8367 Ай бұрын

i always look forward to uploads from The Rebellious and Ground-breaking Institute of Pseudoscience and Fringe Beliefs.

Ай бұрын

"The heresy of yesterday becomes the orthodoxy of today." Helen Keller 💙

@secretweapon8367 Ай бұрын

laziness and inauthenticity of quotation aside, it's almost as if you're claiming that all unsubstantiated ideas will eventually become mainstream, which is profoundly brainless.

@MADVESSEL Ай бұрын

Isn't all belief fringe?

@secretweapon8367 Ай бұрын

@@MADVESSEL your question assumes non-fringe beliefs exist to which fringe beliefs can be compared to while also denying those non-fringe beliefs exist.

@julianocizotti Ай бұрын

@@MADVESSELdo you believe it to be so?

@JohnLynch-b7e 23 сағат бұрын