Scoring Bowling

[@prettyboy1970]

Thank goodness for scorekeeping machines because this is the silliest math I've ever seen.

[@videofarmerdad]

This is the first time I've been able to understand it. Taking you through the score card with different scenarios is the way to do it, thanks!

[@danieljr6869]

I feel like I understand it a little bit better now, but I can't for the life me understand why somebody would make up these arbitrary rules.

[@jamesbug2002]

+DanielJr I guess it has something to do with reaching a perfect score of 300 pins..they had to make rules to achieve it..hehehe

[@MrCorrectify]

Not really that arbitrary, just seems weird because it's an odd game. Makes more sense when you think about the evolution. The games basic concept is "Knock over all of the things to win". Giving people two chances to do it is ideal. One chance and you lose the depth of knocking down splits and the such, but three or more chances and completing that goal becomes significantly more arbitrary, hence the invention of the 2 try frame. From there, its just a system of awarding more points to people who complete the goal more, making the game more competitive. We could do something simple, like a flat "+10 bonus points" for a spare, but then we have no mechanism to reward consistency and punish accidents. With the current system, the occasional spare is useless if you always bowl a 1 or 2 after. They also could have used fancy multipliers and the such, like arcade games do, but those sorts of scoring systems can quickly get complex and require tons of paper to do all of the math. The current system, using very little calculation, efficiently creates a competitive game with a high skill curve.

[@thebepis712]

All games rules are arbitrary if you think about it

[@trieucao2328]

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[@carleybrown3326]

Saaaaame!

[@ejoaquinhuertas]

Thank you for walking through the scoring the way you did. Simple and effective teaching.

[@mrspacelysc]

Thx

[@hertzvanrental100]

best video of how to score......well explained with the use of the pen.

[@marbelz.p6018]

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[@aleahferngren7880]

This video helped me get an A+ on my bowling scoring test! THANKS MAN

[@howdyg8802]

sameeee

[@timmielee6595]

The Epics i know i want a plus to

[@Hazza_05]

Why do u have a test?

[@151bar151]

Bowling scoring test? What is that? You learn about bowling scoring in maths? :D

[@mescobar1118]

@@151bar151 I know this is an old comment but in college there are bowling electives for one credit so they might test there or maybe a high school bowling unit in PE. I had a bowling unit in high school and they taught us how to score it but I never got tested on it

[@carolann6796]

This is the first time I’ve ever been able to understand the scoring of this game!! Thank you so much for going through all of the different scenarios:)

[@michaelcapone175]

Thanks Steve. I am not much of a bowler, maybe bowled about ten times in my life. However, I never knew how the scoring worked. Now I do. Thank you.

[@mrspacelysc]

Coooool!

[@myquepamphlet7530]

Fortunately I know how to keep the score, but I've been trying to show my Wifey, and haven't had very much luck. So hopefully this does the trick Thank you.

[@Horamira-opa]

one important note: If he gets a spare or strike in the last (tenth) frame, the bowler gets to throw one or two more bonus balls, respectively. These bonus throws are taken as part of the same turn. If the bonus throws knock down all the pins, the process does not repeat: the bonus throws are only used to calculate the score of the final frame.

[@snowballskies5857]

lmao this helped more than any of the professional videos made on the topic thanks my dude, u are a life saver

[@RR_12014]

All these years and it just dawned on me to youtube bowling scores... Next time I go bowling, ill understand a bit more on the scoring... thanks for the video!

[@BeefPapa]

Damn man I'm at that exact place right now. Cheers.

[@KiraAmerica09]

Ok i need to follow up stronger on the spares. Thanks. This should help my appraoch to rolls after spares.

[@kubilay5441]

Finally the perfect explanation. Thank you

[@bradburdine9406]

Love the ending... "quite a proficient bowler"

[@mrspacelysc]

Back surgery has taken its toll I'm afraid!

[@jessieramona2184]

Exactly what I was looking for. Quality video👍

[@thomasbaker6757]

my bowling teacher sent a link to this video so we could still learn bowling while under quarantine

[@mrspacelysc]

Cool--I used it in my college class too.

[@ShyteKreek46]

I'd had computers to do it for me my whole life so it's nice to finally see how it works!!

[@mrspacelysc]

ALWAYS try to learn how to determine if there might BE ERRORS. You can't DO that if you never learn how to do it manually... I suppose it would be like "believing the bank statement" and never adding/subtracting for yourself...

[@mrspacelysc]

I taped up the scorers for 2 weeks in my class to MAKE them learn!

[@numinous510]

I finally understand it. Very well done video and easy to follow the explanation. Thanks!

[@Greennoob2]

i understand so easily now. Honestly I just wanted to understand wii sports bowling. But i hope i can flaunt this next time i go to bowling alley. I think it's a cool scoring system, from a games design perspective

[@ernieInocencio]

When I was introduced to golf I was hesitant to play because I have no idea on how to score but it’s much easier to comprehend than bowling scoring system which is weird and confusing.. Now I know why they hired scorers during bowling tournaments back in the days .. and why casual bowlers doesn’t want to sit in the scorers table ..what if you make simpler maybe something like this .. A spare worth 10 points and a strike worth 20 points and added by frame and so on.. thank you sir well done..👍

[@mrspacelysc]

rules were created a century ago... I understand your point and other systems have beeb creatted but are only used in more casual situations...

[@jax8740]

THANK YOU! even watching the computer score it I had no idea why.

[@JMotion]

This actually makes way more sense than I thought it was going to. I half expected this to be some complicated case of there being a hundred different parameters, and splits might affect the score you get, and certain pins might hold higher value on a strike or something. But no, it's just a case of adding a couple numbers together if you strike or spare. Way more simple.

[@mrspacelysc]

splits are simply harder to convert since they require LOTS of accuracy...

[@ernieInocencio]

I’m not bowler but I played once in awhile back in the days and I don’t score.. We had a scorer for do the scoring for us but messed up and got so embarrassed left and never seen em again and now I know why .. weird scoring system if you ask me.. thank you for the lesson..well done ..

[@jaygaming2465]

You’ve seen a lot of life, professor. Wise man.

[@MatoLabu]

Best bowling scoring video ever! Thanks A LOT!

[@doeboy857]

Why do I feel like this scoring system is more complex than it needs to be?

[@smoothbeak]

Why do I get the feeling that this was some mathematics teachers idea to help their students add and retain numbers in their short term memory better!

[@Davi-yj2ht]

I actually think it is perfect for the game Think about it: the more you strike, the less throws you have, because you're not gonna need two throws in a striked frame, only one So essentialy, strikes make you "play less". To compensate this, the strikes make your next throws double, so you can accumulate points in what would be "phantom throws", that is, throws that you didn't make but award you points Spares also lets you double your next throw, but they aren't as generous as Strikes. Also, the 10th frame is different and follows some different guidelines But in general, I think the system is actually brilliant

[@dv6342]

Perfectly explained. Thanks!

[@denisbelikov9114]

After playing for about 2 years I finally made myself watch the scoring guide and now it all makes sense 😂

[@mrspacelysc]

cool--make your SPARES!!!!

[@hmohmoTe]

Didn't need to know this but now I do it might come in handy XD Great explanation !

[@michaelamato6390]

Great video! Thanks. A lot easier than I originally thought

[@winkwest7166]

I'm imagining "the dude" lebowski is explaining this. (You sound like him)😁

[@mrspacelysc]

LOL

[@mrspacelysc]

Lol

[@smoothbeak]

Mark it 0!

[@arshadsiddiqui9071]

They want me to program this as homework and this definitely helped a lot.

[@mrspacelysc]

Cool

[@coupe_dville]

Thank you for the refresher. 🎳

[@lancelotray]

who the actual fuck would invent this kind of scoring system? Hahhahaa I'm too dumb to get this.

[@SmewthePew]

Me too and i love to go bowling but i could never figure it out

[@wejbowling9817]

it would make the game too easy if it had simple scoring

[@rileymenlove9003]

it’s not that complicated lol, it’s really damn easy

[@mrspacelysc]

Good question, but spares aren't too bad... strikes and doubles are easier to screw up! For that matter... who invented rolling a ball at sticks! LOL

[@gaurikiya]

I'm not gonna lie it's kinda complicated, I like the more direct approach like the scoring for basketball, the ones who.has the highest score before the time runs out, or volleyball first to rich 25, or like darts, if I'm nor mistaken first to rich 0 if I'm not mistaken, I don't mind adding or subtracting, but the way to keep scoring in bowling is kinda complicated especially if you are new

[@Nestorgeno]

Thank you. I finally know how to count my score!

[@lordraj365]

10 year old video but such good explanation covering all possibilities. Thanks man 👍🏻. I wonder if he would see this comment after 10 years when the world has gone up side down lol.

[@kylemorris280]

Thank you for your service professor

[@sdaviation26]

this was exactly what i was looking for. i feel like i can control my scores better now 😂

[@jonathandavenport2500]

Thanks about to go bowling and this will help.

[@dented.aluminum]

Thanks! I watched other helpful videos, and found this helpful too! I don't understand why this was made so confusing.

[@Davi-yj2ht]

Think about it: if someone strikes in one frame, they go to the next frame. In comparison, if you need two throws in one frame, you're gonna have twice the amount of throws in one frame. So, a strike makes you essentialy play less, because you're gonna need less throws. To compensate this, the next throws are gonna be double so that you can kinda have the same amount of throws as someone who always needs two throws. I think thats kinda the logic behind it. It may seem nonsencial at first, but I really think this was really clever and awards people who are consistent in the game

[@dented.aluminum]

@@Davi-yj2htYou are right, with more experience, I got used to it.

[@jamesbug2002]

Hi Steve..I kinda understand it now..hahahaha..I guess the thing to remember is the mechanics of a strike and the mechanics of a spare in terms of scoring it and what to in scoring consecutive strikes or consecutive spares..heheheheh

[@ektopia]

Thanks for this. Clearest I've seen. Cheers.

[@desireex5613]

I finally get how I've been losing thanks!!!

[@theamflitebowler]

I understood a little but it’s quite confusing

[@RRBuilder611]

open frame (no spare or strike)- amount of pins knocked down is your score spare- 10pins plus the value of the next shot is your score strike- 10pins plus the value of the next TWO shots is your score Not really complex

[@thatfunkymonkey7667]

Virginian what’s complex is let’s say my first 4 frames were strikes and my 5th frame is a 7 and a 2. How would you add this

[@cagekicker6178]

@@thatfunkymonkey7667 1 2 3 4 5 X X X X 72 30 60 87 106 115

[@idonthavesnaphavestrictparents]

me to

[@Davi-yj2ht]

@@thatfunkymonkey7667 Frame 1: 30 Frame 2: 30 Frame 3: 27 Frame 4 : 19 Frame 5: 9

[@jaketaylor8176]

Best video on the most apalling scoring system i was forced to reguritate god i cant even spell my brain hurts. Whoever made this i hope they got the medicine they needed bc they werent taking it when this was made

[@PatrickMendoza-gq3ru]

kinda confused but you help me alot !

[@falconx761]

thanks man now i know what to do for p.e. tomorrow at school

[@ellora7067]

Sams

[@walinut6443]

Same

[@Simplified_History]

Thank you so much dude, helps a lot

[@ramadagi]

Perfect. Thank you.

[@iuaislamf]

I’m still confused. Guess it’ll never make sense to me🤷‍♂️

[@_DinoHat_]

Rly🤔

[@Mervin_Sia]

Strike = 10 + next 2 balls Spare = 10 + next 1 ball Hopefully you understand😊

[@jobsachse5130]

Thank you Steve, please have my kids

[@CharlesDv]

Thank you so much, it was hard to understand for me.

[@Bryansberrytales]

This guy sounds like ward Kimball the fame Disney animators We love it

[@mrspacelysc]

Michigan accent with a touch of South Carolina thrown in...

[@jerr0n100]

10 + 3 = 13, plus 17 from the other frame = 30

[@cameronfancher7445]

OHHHH HAHA i was so confused why he said “10 + 3 will bring me up to 30” HAHA tysm :)

[@allanking508]

Thanks. Not really needed cuz all Allie’s are computer scored kept but I wanted to know

[@imokayiswear.]

Thanks it all makes so much more sense now

[@austin5977]

This explanation is very well done but I cannot understand why anyone would create a scoring system that's so bad

[@GoldenSon888]

That scoring system has been in place since the game has been invented, and it's nice. I love tallying our games when there was no computerized scoring yet

[@islandpride8787]

I had to watch this for school 🤪

[@mrspacelysc]

Did it help?

[@christinawortley8883]

Very helpful

[@ArunaVidu]

Well, what happened to the 8 in the last frame?????

[@whothinksforme]

I never knew that bowling scoring work that way.

[@smoothbeak]

Let's assume that someone rolls an 8... (in my mind) Mark it zero!

[@JohnGadsden-comedy]

So if you get a half strike, on your next go your first attempt has to be good. Whereas if you get a strike, on your next go both attempts combined have to be good. Got it.

[@louispotter9051]

2:02 I know this sounds so dumb but how did you get 30 when 10+3 is 13? I’m confused. Someone please explain this to me.

[@mohitdodrajka555]

It's cumulative scoring i.e. 17 + 13

[@ramilalinjr.5421]

Arithmetic sequence

[@mrspacelysc]

First frame...10 for spare plus 7 for next shot gave 17... frame 2 then added 13 (spare plus 3 for next shot) to that

[@mrspacelysc]

You DO get 13 MORE but you already HAD 17... 13 + 17 = 30

[@HSimon1981]

maximum score you can get on 1 frame is 30

[@blerdthenerd8342]

Who else came here because of Udemy?

[@purerpg-gothicchallengerun4695]

ME!

[@anonymusgamerpro]

Me

[@sanjeewa247]

LOL. You stole my idea. Udem for life!

[@Parms]

Me!

[@antoniocioni279]

Me, but I hate this part

[@kohjiwada4757]

There are a maximum of 120 pins possible, and a maximum of 300 points possible in a game of bowling. Therefore, each pin can get you up to 2 and a half points. Do you find that fair?

[@RRBuilder611]

Kath Cohn it’s like that because it would be stupid to have a perfect game with spares. That makes no sense

[@ArinaNossova]

Anyone else think he has a voice of Morgan Freeman? lol

[@jojojawjaw]

I'm here because I'm reading Agile Principles, Patterns, and Practices in C# and one of the chapters is a development of a bowling scoring system, and I need to understand the problem domain so I can understand the solution

[@TQuadded]

wouldn't it be 179 since the +19 on the 10th frame is for the spare, plus the nine pins by itself?

[@RRBuilder611]

Russell no, in the tenth frame, spares and strikes are both worth 10. That’s why you have the extra shots in the 10th frame. If you were to have all strikes with the rule you prescribed, that would mean you bowled a 360, which more than a perfect score. In real scoring, say you have the front 9 strikes, then you get the first two in the 10th frame, frame 9 would be worth 30pins. If you finished with all three shots are strikes in the last frame, 10+10+10 is 30. Mainly the rules are different in the last frame so you don’t have one frame worth more than the other.

[@Sandbagsims]

perfect explanation, thank you.

[@radhi6350]

Where that 30 on frame 2 came from?

[@Mulgokizary-76]

Reason : First throw from 3rd frame got three pins. The spare from 2nd frame automatically get 13 pins. Other example, if his first throw on 3rd frame got 5 pins, he would got 15 pins, If his first throw on 3rd frame got strike, he would got 20 pins.

[@rowrowrow10]

Thank you!

[@MrKrabs-pf2dt]

Thank you.

[@badussy.cat.tri0696]

I’m going to watch this video multiple times and ace my final bowling test and prove to my pe teacher I don’t cheat and will get all answers correct 😤

[@mrspacelysc]

LOL -- GO for it!

[@Rauwiix]

POV : your here from school

[@quintontew2566]

this thought me enough to get me an A on my online PE test.. thx bruh

[@merymejia4292]

LMAO!!!! SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@lukeg2839]

Since when was this part of school?

[@carleybrown3326]

Luke G dunno. It’s a common sport.

[@fiversrevenge]

Humans can do this but can't figure out Stonehenge?

[@mrspacelysc]

Nicely put! Addition can still stump many of my college students! SCARY!

[@kohjiwada4757]

Bowling itself is not bad, but the scoring system may be really bad, especially for those who like to play it to have fun. The scoring system makes it more about chance, rather than strategy. Professional bowlers don't just do it for the fun, they also do it for the money and wealth. Maybe the scoring system doesn't matter to professional bowlers, but it does matter to those who like to play it to have fun because they don't think it is fair at all. It may be bad for people who like to have fun because it is not fair, and it may be bad for pros because the scoring system makes it more about chance and getting as high as possible, rather than having a real strategy to earn the money and wealth. You could end up getting more than twice as many pins as someone in a game of bowling, and still lose.

[@mrspacelysc]

The REAL advantage of knowing scoring is that IT helps you determine what you "need in a frame(s)" to win...

[@lukeg2839]

Kath Cohn the thing that you don’t know is there is such thing as a handicap to make it fair for the new bowlers or bowlers who don’t have such a high average

[@RRBuilder611]

Luke G handicap is added on to scores at the end too make it more fair so people who are actually good dont wreck beginners. If you want a challenge, just join a scratch league that has no handicap. As a rule of thumb, handicap is determined by taking 200 and subtracting the bowlers average. Say I average 176. My handicap would be 24.

[@mrspacelysc]

No "chance" involved in the scoring--LOTS of "chance" in what pins remain standing sometimes!

[@adcolt54]

Still makes no sense. Why the second ball when you don't count the pins that are knocked down?

[@Davi-yj2ht]

what?

[@KevinSolway]

As a 9 year old I never wanted to do the scoring. Now I understand why.

[@buzz4162]

How are the 11th and 12 frames scored when strikes are awarded?

[@mrspacelysc]

If you have a strike on ball 1 (frame 10 as you asked)... you wait for two more balls before you know how to score it... XXX would yield 30 X9/ would yield 20 X3/ would yield 20 XX5 would yield 25 X8- would yield 18 Get the point? Strikes ALWAYS add 10 + the total on the next 2 balls (except in the 11th or 12th frame (they are sometimes called "fill balls") Hope this helps

[@walinut6443]

I have a test on this ;-; not excited about it

[@tiffanyrichards5231]

Flower Child SAME

[@Hazza_05]

For what

[@lemonadeswirl1800]

Harry Edmund, P.E. class. I have a test on it tomorrow

[@Hazza_05]

@@lemonadeswirl1800 weird thing to have a test on lol

[@lemonadeswirl1800]

Yeah if we don't pass the test we can't bowl, it was delayed a day btw. Don't know when how to score in bowling is going to be useful in the future

[@charlesgamers]

Still confused Moral of the story is, just try to hit more pins than your piers

[@mrspacelysc]

Bottom line is simple ... spares will add 10 plus your next ball, and strikes will add 10 plus the total of your next TWO balls... so NEVER throw a horrible shot after a spare... like a gutterball...which would just give you the 10, whil getting a strike right after a spare gives you TWENTY.

[@MPRF12345]

Oooooooooooooh!!! OK, NOW I understand :O

[@chrisgast]

So, the first roll of the first frame (8) is not used in scoring, because of the spare?

[@yasengregorovich2473]

It will probably take months before anyone answers your question :)

[@chrisgast]

GINTAMA PABLO Okay.

[@vcool]

He said it very confusingly. It's the 8+2=10 that makes the spare, and this 10 indeed is counted. Combined with the following 7, it's 10+7=17

[@yasengregorovich2473]

ThreeCube Yeah, I just failed my stupid PE bowling test. It's sad that there are written tests for PE

[@chrisgast]

It seems like he's double counting the next frame when a strike or spare is rolled.

[@brucelee7782]

my takeaway is to let the computer do it for you haha

[@leedufour]

Thanks!

[@MrPokefanatic97]

helpful thank you

[@10pinsneaker75]

The confusion for me is at the 6th frame because it seems the strike is counted twice.

[@mrspacelysc]

You DO get ten for the strike plus THE TOTAL OF THE NEXT TWO BALLS...

[@10pinsneaker75]

😀 I've come to my senses in a year's time. 🎳🎳🎳

[@jasonsamuel4110]

He didn't talk about a turkey!!!

[@reyou7]

2:39 why it is a disaster?

[@jvm9546]

Wow, its hard

[@nic12344]

Whoever invented this scoring method is a psychopath!

[@tessamcqueen850]

Wow that’s complicated

[@Horamira-opa]

Thank you so mucchhh

[@Collector731]

wait now...is he Steve or Stephen Anderson o.O?

[@cleo7867]

Stephen can be pronounced Steven and I guess he likes to be called Steve

[@mrspacelysc]

BOTH!

[@InTheMindOfficial]

I'm so confused, wouldn't a perfect score be 330, then? 30+30+30+30+30+30+30+30+30+30+20+10? Like, mathematically, you should at the very least be able to get a perfect score with less than all strikes

[@DemonRaticate]

Its actually: 30+30+30+30+30+30+30+30+30+(10+10+10). The final 3 strikes have no follow up frames, so they only award 10 each. Yes… that does mean that 9 of the strikes are worth 30, while 3 of them are worth 10.

[@MasonMitchell52]

Thanks very clear