Scott Bloomquist Crashes and UPDATE on ATR in Brazil

[@jangell1320]

My racing hero from back in the 80s. I had the pleasure of talking with Scott several times over the years. He always treated you like you were good friends. Never felt like a stranger. Race In Peace Scott.

[@firestarter105G]

Bloomquist was a genuine race car driver. It was a pleasure having known him. Gone too soon.

[@setituptoblowitup]

Gone 2 days 👽🛸💜🤙🤙🍻🏁🏁

[@geraldo209]

Hi! Brazilian 737 pilot here. Quick corrrections on your video! FAB stands for FORÇA AÉREA BRASILEIRA, or Brazilian Air Force, and it is NOT the same as the american FAA! the equivalent of FAA here, meaning the regulatory authority here is called ANAC! wich stands for civilian aviation national agency! A branch within the Brazilian Air Force is responsible for air crashes investigation, called CENIPA. CENIPA is the Equivalent of americas NTSB!

[@flyingfortressrc1794]

RIP Scott. Watched him race many times and was a fan. Sad loss of a great guy and beautiful Cub...

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

This is the only outlet I’ve seen that accurately explains the “instructor’s” potential criminal exposure.

[@ulbuilder]

Thr FAA should have made him surrender his CFI cert too. I wonder if his employer only looked at his CFI cert and assumed he was good to go.

[@dpfreedman]

Hoover on his Pilot Debrief channel covered this story in detail.

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

@@dpfreedman I love Hoover. But both he and Blancolirio - another favorite of mine - misreported the possible prison sentence. Which is fine; they were only repeating what all the news outlets were saying. That’s all the more reason I appreciated this channel getting it right. 128 years makes for a great headline but makes no sense to anyone remotely familiar with federal sentencing guidelines. Edit: On second thought I may be confusing another report I saw with Blanco - so I could be wrong there. But Hoover and a few others went with what was being erroneously reported. I don’t blame them a bit. That’s what was being reported everywhere. Except here.

[@shawntaylor4415]

These comments the man was having a bad time in life, his first flight was at 16

[@MrSuzuki1187]

in 58 years as a pilot including 29 years flying Boeing airliners and 10 years flying turboprops, I have never seen a commercial airliner get into a flat spin.

[@bertjesklotepino]

seems to have to do with the design? May i ask if and how you were trained to handle a situation like that? I am an armchair pilot, FSX simulator. (my stomach can not handle the real deal too much unfortunately). I am still interested in what you were taught to do if something like that were to happen.... if you were taught anything at all... .

[@Thumper68]

It seems like it would be extremely hard to have that happen in an airliner

[@bertjesklotepino]

@@Thumper68 this is the second one in not too many years, similar kind of plane. Btw, why do you think it would be extremely hard to have this in an airliner?

[@Codehead3]

@@bertjesklotepinoBecause they are trained to avoid getting into this situation and they have instrumentation and warning lights to avoid it. The last incident was decades ago but it was the same type of aircraft.

[@bertjesklotepino]

@@Codehead3 Ehm.... Maybe you need to see the Air crash investigations episode i saw. It was with a Male captain and female copilot. In a similar plane. They were put in a holding pattern for a long time. That is how they accumulated ice on the wings. The boots in the wings did not clear the ice. They had NO warnings..... and they had training to avoid situations like these. BUT: IF the plane itself does not warn you, you will most likely find out when it is too late. You say they are trained and have instrumentation and warning lights. Go have another look at that crash i am talking about. If you want, i can try to look back at my history to see what flight it was. I know it was a male pilot and female copilot. They were tired and they wanted to land. They were put in a holding pattern. Ice built up. Then they were cleared and the sjizzle start hitting the fan.

[@thatguy7085]

Anytime electrical fire smell… LAND

[@patrickoleary2862]

Yep - skip the discussion / get it on the ground.

[@jameshyatte7230]

You always do a great job reporting aviation news. Reading the comments shows how difficult it is to get things right! I applaud your effort. This is how news is suppose to be. I've watched this channel grow and so glad to be a part of it.

[@patrickheavirland3599]

Good morning from Minnesota! Great update

[@KevinSmithAviation]

Thank you for the news update Dan. So sad to hear of another fatal crash. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️

[@JB-gr6om]

Thanks for sharing the photo.

[@juliepeasley7131]

Great roundup, thank you.

[@gwiyomikim5988]

A silver lining to the Coast Guard Hangar incident was the nearly zero chance of fire.

[@Andrew-13579]

That ATR seemed to be coming down in a flat spin, intact, with engines operating. That would seem to rule out inflight structural failure. Severe icing would seem to be the front running hypothesis, at this point. Now can they gather evidence to support this into becoming a theory? In a spin, doesn’t an aircraft rotate around a center of rotation offset laterally from the center of gravity? If the nose points significantly downward in a spin, it’s a normal spin, right? If the nose stays up nearly level with the horizon, it’s a flattened or flat spin. For example, in a left spin, some portion of the right wing is not stalled but still flying forward because of the rotation, somewhat like a helicopter rotor blade. The left wing is fully stalled and mushing downward through the air. The center of the aircraft’s rotation is probably somewhere over that left wing. Heavy objects like engines on the wing can make it worse because they add to the rotational momentum and when providing thrust can add to the rotational speed. That’s why, to my understanding, spin recovery action calls for reducing engine thrust to minimum, idle throttle. You need to stop the rotation. Continuing thrust or increasing it is what often turns a normal spin into a flat spin which can become impossible to be recovered from. Am I correct?

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

if they can get enough flight data, they can prove the reduction in performance to be consistent with the buildup of ice, pairing that with the (also usually recorded) outside temperature, and the picture of pitch changes made by the pilots/autopilot consistent with the rest, can pretty conclusively prove you are dealing with an icing event... why an icing event ended in a flat spin, that's a little bit more guesswork, since a pilot should know what he is doing and not let it get that far... this is a very trained and simulated scenario... maybe the voice recording or fatigue history will explain something.

[@timadolphson6971]

Godspeed Scott

[@Armc31416]

8:20 Just a small correction: the Brazilian equivalent to the USA's FAA is the ANAC. Brazilian FAB is equivalent to USA's USAF, with the difference that it also plays the role of investigating air disasters.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Hate the busy weeks.😢 Appreciate your efforts with these stories, as always, Dan.

[@TakingOff]

Thanks Smitty. Yeah would be better if there wasn't news like this to report. I've got some non crash stories Id like to get out.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

@@TakingOff Amen to that, brother.

[@kevinfairclough4619]

Busy weeks = sad 😔 but keep reporting please. Condolences to anyone involved.

[@superskullmaster]

I know it shouldn’t irk me but 90% of the people who watch this channel probably aren’t pilots including myself but you don’t have to dumb anything down, most of us (the ones you should be speaking to) understand very well every single concept you speak of on this channel, and some of us because we have maybe too much free time understand at a higher level than even you.

[@TakingOff]

Ill take that into advisement. It was a conscious choice to explain the aviation stuff to people I thought wouldnt know. But Im willing to re-examine that strategy.

[@ulbuilder]

​@TakingOff I valued more detailed explanations from channels like this when I was a student.

[@superskullmaster]

@@TakingOff 🤘🏿

[@JustPlaneSilly]

I'm a pilot and I still don't understand what you're talking about 😂

[@superskullmaster]

@@JustPlaneSilly good thing I wasn’t directing it at you, that could have been a disaster.

[@ericscottstevens]

I was at work few hundred feet away at work where the Bloomquist crash occurred. At first I thought it was a house fire but the smoke was gray and not black. Never heard the prop......maybe a lack of fuel?

[@pa11owner]

The FFF incident just requires a lot of cleaning and removal of corrosion and reapplying corrosion prevention material restoration. I went through this same situation 2 years ago on 7 U-2 aircraft going through maintenance.

[@JBAlternate]

Some reports are coming out that Scott Bloomquist didn't have a pilot license and his aircraft isn't registered in his name.

[@FloridaManRacer]

Bloomquist did not have a pilot's license, however he had thousands of hours of flight time around his family property. The aircraft was registered in his father's name. They maintained the aircraft together at their home in Tennessee. Since a J-3 Cub is considered a light-sport aircraft, with one seat, and no commercial use, he was not required by law to obtain a pilot's license.

[@wendellmosley1375]

@@FloridaManRacer n number lookup listed it deregistered

[@whiskeygolfecho]

​@@FloridaManRacer The Piper J-3 Cub does indeed have two tandem seats, and in it's day was a Primary Flight trainer (that constitutes commercial use) and was required to receive Annual FAA Inspections to remain airworthy. It doesn't qualify as an Ultralight aircraft. Even though it can meet many of the LSA conditions, the FAA does NOT allow it to be Re-Certificated as a Light Sport Aircraft, and it DOES require the pilot to have an FAA Sport Pilot Certificate. Of course, as long as you don't get caught...

[@vne5195]

I wonder why they're hiding photos of the Illegal instructor.

[@gregdalton3517]

You used a shot of a YuXiang R/C drone for the Jayhawk...😎👍

[@TakingOff]

I’ll fix that tonight

[@alandaters8547]

The description of spin initiation at 6:43 mentions "incorrect rudder control" as a cause. This is true, but this is the perfect spot to go immediately into icing. Asymmetrical wing icing (including uneven removal of ice by the deicing system) can produce the same yawing motion as "incorrect rudder control". That is a connection to the "test pilot" analogy. The pilot may have been flying an airplane with unknown and unstable yaw forces.

[@terrylaw18]

Sound like some heavy duty in depth training and understanding is needed for these aircraft. These pilots should have a thorough understanding of the mechanical aspects of these types of aircraft since this appears to be a recurring problem.

[@erictaylor5462]

Looking at what's left of the Citation, I was surprised to hear you say, "The pilot was not available for comment. It's like that reporter who said, "The suspect killing in the high speed pursuit was not available for comment."

[@I_Evo]

It was an after crash fire, if you looked at what remained of the A350 at Haneda Airport in Japan after that crash you'd also wonder how anybody got out of that until you see video/ photos from immediately after the crash.

[@TakingOff]

The pilot was it available to the NTSB for interview/comment due to his injuries for the Prelim. I’m sure they’ll interview him for the docket.

[@UserName-jm8yw]

@@I_Evo Yes; a very accurate comment. I watched the Haneda fire on local TV, live as it happened when I was in Shizuoka Pref.

[@cammiller5516]

The preliminary ntsb for the crash in Jamestown ny is available

[@christiansmith9414]

second story covered

[@grayrabbit2211]

Still left out he part that the student pilot had illegal drugs in their system at the time of the crash per NTSB testing.

[@I_Evo]

But at what levels? Trace amounts that wouldn't necessarily impair the ability to fly or higher more significant amounts?

[@TakingOff]

IMO it’s irrelevant

[@grayrabbit2211]

@@TakingOff 100 percent relevant. It further demonstrates this CFIs disregard for the law, safety, and good judgement. If I showed up at the airport with my car or clothing smelling of marijuana, other pilots and staff certainly would say something and any reputable CFI would tell me to find another career.

[@grayrabbit2211]

@@I_Evo It's against the FAA rules, period.

[@beckyumphrey2626]

RIP.Scott.

[@williamford9564]

Update on Bloomquist: He is not a licensed pilot and the plane had not been registered since 2012. If he had ever taken the plane off his property, he would have been breaking the law and would have put other people in danger.

[@TakingOff]

Interesting. Also, if you pilot most aircraft (includes a Cub) into the air without a certificate and medical, even over your own property, it’s not legal.

[@j2production49]

He’s been publicly open that he was aware.. that’s just Scott and the way he was. He had a lot of health and financial things going on.. I hope it’s not ruled a sucide

[@johnritter225]

Great episode this week (wish you didn't have so much to talk about though). Comment on the flat spin - icing is obviously a consideration, but not just wing icing. Fuselage icing could put the cg in a weird position, making a spin recovery impossible. Nice review of stalls, but spins are a little different, and unfortunately not as heavily trained. The recovery cone is beneath the aircraft, and the first step of a generic recovery boldprint is "P - power" - get that nose tracking down. The Pitts and Extra guys who fly the crazy 17-turn spins "add" power to flatten the spin until they're ready to recover. A P51 will recover in 2 turns at idle but takes 10000 feet with power. So - stall: power ON, spin: power OFF. A too far aft cg will hinder that (icing). And a Pilot's call to ADD power in a spin will just flatten it out, rendering recovery impossible. Every pilot should get comfortable with spinning, even if it's just to recognize the onset cues and danger area for impending stall/spin... probably have less in the pattern, too.

[@tmanwattsutube]

Why would the foam damage those Coast Guard planes so badly they COULD be a total loss. Is there a chemical reaction the foam causes or is it relatively inert? Anyone know?

[@glennwatson]

My understanding it stops fires but contains concentrated, highly corrosive chemicals capable of causing significant damage to the aircraft

[@tmanwattsutube]

@@glennwatson thanks for the answer! It looks so innocuous…..like a bubble bath.

[@57Jimmy]

Yes that foam is nasty stuff! Back in the late 60’s, our local VFDept received a new foam fire fighting system. As a joke they used the Chiefs Epic Envoy as a demonstration for the foam being used. Well….not long afterwards, the paint was literally flaking off! Ya that was a LONG time ago but maybe the ingredients used are the same or similar😮

[@marklindsey1995]

The foam seeps into every joint, and eats the aluminum. It takes several washings to reduce it, but it never really goes away. Halon was used very successfully in the past, but since then, the manufacturing of it has been banned.

[@tmanwattsutube]

@@marklindsey1995 Interesting. I really appreciate the follow-up. I used to work in a halon ready data center. It was a BIG DEAL having it installed.

[@Codehead3]

Another channel suggested that the ice buildup on the tail could have exceeded 500 lbs and could have changed the COG to the rear.

[@cammiller5516]

The landing gear got stuck and they were belly up on the runway. They were not short of the. Runway he cut the corner of the runway and grass.

[@Marc1973Dez]

WOWOWOWO ...seriously.... come on..... two crashes in this videos happened about exactly in the same spot (topographically speaking) from places I used to live in. 1-- @ 1:37 a Cessna 750 crashed in Jamestown-NY just about few miles northwest from where I used to live: Warren-PA. 2--- @ 5:57 an ATR crashed just a little northwest from Jundiai - SP (Brazil). OMG..... WOW. ....

[@kellybasham3113]

Love your videos

[@grumman38]

Icing is very easy to deal with in turboprops if you are attentive, proactive and understand weather. You must also use the correct climb, descent and holding profiles for the aircraft your in. What they should say is that many pilots don’t know doing, it’s very hard to get a transport category aircraft in a spin. When an starts a spin there is plenty of warning signs: The nose is very high on the horizon or artificial indicator. The controls are very far aft. The indicated airspeed is low. You have a chime and your controls are vibrating. The controls will start a push. If you don’t see these signs and know how to react please don’t be flying for the airlines. Ice did not overwhelm this aircraft, the pilots may have been flying too slow for the icing conditions or incorrect climb speed.

[@swanseamale47]

One early report suggests Scotts aircraft was unregistered since 2012 and he had no valid licence. Dont know if any this is true ( I find it hard to believe)

[@TakingOff]

Working on an update

[@nhwilkinosn]

Especially if you've got those super bright strobes, please only have them on only ON the runway or in the air at night

[@socalfun64]

great job

[@BlairAir]

How does a plane tail-strike on LANDING? I can't even understand the convergence of these 2 factors, unless it was a touch & go. That would STILL not be "on landing" however.

[@petep.2092]

Why not? It's usually caused by the pilot flaring too late and too rapidly.

[@BlairAir]

@@petep.2092 That makes some sense, still, that would be a HELL of a flare. I've never seen it, guess I'll go try to fund an example.

[@BadMonkeyTouring]

At the aircraft management company that I used to work for has had the foam fill their hanger TWICE. As the hangar is used primarily for maintenance, there were aircraft in the hangar with open doors, so the foam was able to get into the aircraft. Oops!

[@kingofxc]

Is there a passenger list published?

[@craig7350]

.. know somebody from Brazil you haven't heard from or something?

[@jakerabinz9411]

PFffft. The ATR is infamous for having a leading edge de ice boot and airfoil defect that in supersaturated icing conditions quickly turns the AC from flyworthy to a falling brick in just a minute or two. NEVER FLY ON THIS AC in anything but clear dry air. Never into any type cloud at all. A Flat spin is result of loss of lift stall, where the AC fails to go fast enough forward to generate lift. In just a few seconds it crosses over from flying forward, to falling downward. Trying to blame this on any other excuse, is just part of a cover up to blame another bogus cause to get off the hook individual(s) that enabled the situation. Be not fooled by liars.

[@leroycharles9751]

Something else not known is were all the boots working properly.

[@BloeingBlog]

Dan, you are an amazing reporter and the channel just get better with the participation of specialists, keep up with the good content. @9:00 A little correction on Brazilian Authorities: FAB is the Brazilian Air Force and his CENIPA is the country's equivalent to NTSB for Air Accidents. The equivalent of FAA is ANAC - Nacional civil aviation agency in the portuguese acronym.

[@calebdegard7759]

As a Coastie and aviation enthusiast, I immediately saw that your image of the Jayhawk is an R/C toy. . . There are certainly enough images in the public domain for you to use! “C’mon, man!?” (In a Sleepy Joe voice)

[@GBEdmonds-j1i]

Ice might be part of it but these guys handled it all wrong..... Im gonna be surprised if not!!

[@flymachine]

I dont see how a TS on an ATR can in any way cause a deteriorating airspeed or AoA scenario or even have any effect on a deep stall or spin - the cables run through the roof, the stab and elevator being of a T-tail config are unlikely to be in any way affected by a TS event

[@stephanebrun718]

Airline Pilots are not trained to recover from a flat spin situation. As a matter of fact they are only trained for the approach to stall situation and recovery techniques.

[@stianmathisen4284]

Those narrow and small wings on these ATR airplanes will increase the potential for change in the low pressure air dynamic on the upper side of the wings when icing occurs, this creates to high levels of low pressure over the ailerons and flaps. What happens then is that this increased level of low pressure initiates or sucks the ailerons and flaps upwards, this leads to loss of control of the airplane! Other high wing 2 engine prop planes like Bombardier/De-Havilland Dash/DHC 6,7 and 8 planes with much wider and longer wings does not have this problems in icing conditions. Everybody within the aviation industry knows that the ATR`s have this problem! Less wing area will tolerate less ice in other words ! These ATR planes was banned by pilots in the USA at one point because of this!

[@K.B.Ravindra]

Either conduct major modifications on the ATR model or retire them permanently. Far too many ATR crashes recently worldwide with far too many unfortunate deaths.

[@I_Evo]

All the recent crashes I've seen referenced have been down to pilot error e.g. feathering props by mistake, shutting down the wrong engine and generally failing to follow procedures. The only crash I've heard about that could be put down to the aircraft design/systems was the much quoted Colgan Air crash that was nearly 30 years ago now.

[@K.B.Ravindra]

@@I_Evo Since a very long time the ATR has had problems with icing issues. In the Brazil case severe icing was reported between 17000 feet to 21000 feet. A bigger aircraft would not have had any problems in climbing well over 21000 feet and avoiding the severe icing zone. The ATR aircraft could not climb over 21000 feet and all passengers perished.

[@I_Evo]

@@K.B.Ravindra Firstly we do not know what caused the stall and subsequent crash of this aircraft, yes there was reported icing in the area, but we shouldn't jump to assumptions until we have all the information. And for your information the service ceiling for the ATR-72 is 25,000ft so depending on its payload it could have flown higher. And by your criteria we would also have to get rid of most other commercial turboprop aircraft not just the ATRs. Doing that would leave a number of remote areas of the world without air transport links.

[@petep.2092]

What modifications?

[@K.B.Ravindra]

@@I_Evo Then why did the pilots not take it to 25000 feet to escape from severe icing. How will the near and dear ones of the passengers feel when they see the completely unrecognizable black charred bodies of the victims. Who is going to console them.

[@gtr1952]

The comment I made about McPherson on the last video, Ditto!! 8(

[@mrjl5253]

ATR-72. Another pilot reported on TV that the pilot of the doomed ATR had requested a descent due to possible icing but the request was denied by the ATC. His face and voice were blurred due to retaliatory fears. It was a busy afternoon therefore it’s too early to partially blame the ATC for its negligence. Let’s see what the CVR says.

[@filipecardozo]

in situations like that the pilot doesn't need atc's permission to descend

[@terrylaw18]

Takes a special kind of person to have the chutzpah to do what that “instructor” did.

[@BlairAir]

Congratulations, PHILLIP!

[@pcowdrey]

Helicopters crash. It's what they do. =PC=

[@Ian-lx1iz]

The _Late_ (model racing) Scott Bloomquist. Rust in Pieces.

[@royshashibrock3990]

I have watched videos form several similar "crash investigation" type channels. I find this one refreshing because it is straight ahead information. I'll be back.

[@TakingOff]

Thanks

[@jasonbrown2060]

Man, all that crazy stuff in a dirt car, and then he gets snuffed by flying er into a barn. Go figure .

[@rogermatheny5512]

When are we going to start teaching how to fly again? Karaoke and DEI don’t work

[@Thumper68]

Don’t drink and fly

[@monkeyboy4746]

A bit long-winded, tighten up the narration.

[@7dc379]

Pweweckwizit?

[@publicmail2]

Wow Dan can speak mexican

[@paratyshow]

👏✅👏

[@JB-gr6om]

Why cannot we find a photo, oh because we don’t want to make a black man look bad.

[@sg-yq8pm]

Baseless assumption, grow up.

[@MrSuzuki1187]

How in God's name do you kill yourself in a J-3 Cub?

[@lrmbvv]

J-3 Cubs top out at 85 mph, You have a 31 percent chance of surviving a car crash of 50mph, Is this Super Dave?

[@Halfstep2024]

He flew into a barn.. I’m gonna say this was some kind of flight control issue. Seeing as even though Scott wasn’t a licensed pilot him and his father both managed to fly in and out of their farm almost daily for the past 30-40 years without issue.

[@johnirvine3346]

@Oliver880-eg8szpretty sure this is the case. He was having a tough time.

[@vg23air]

giving way too much coverage to a drug dealer

[@Glidesmooth]

DEI got to love it!

[@scable-eq7bp]

One news agency reported the Scott Bloomquist did not hold an PPL which I find hard to believe. The news agency seemed a little pissed off because they were being restricted to gain access to the crash site because it was private property owned by the Bloomquist family. Doesn't seem like icing on the wing would be an issue, especially with Brazil being so far south.....

[@johnmorykwas2343]

You must protect the Criminal Rights of those Africans.

[@markdragan9136]

Click bate!😡 head line is Bloomquest crash info! Never heard him utter a word about it!

[@gwiyomikim5988]

Try again at the 35 second mark with your “sound” turned on and unmuted. If you have trouble hearing you can also read the transcript instead.👍🏼

[@firestarter105G]

Yes, he did.0:35-1:02

[@Maverick____1]

Wish people would stay out of those damn private planes… I don’t care how many hours you have

[@stormbytes]

Clickbait!

[@ChrisWilliams-fs1zp]

Thank a democrat

[@dwrobbins331]

THE GOAT RIP 🙏

[@jamesharp3445]

Flight instructor...pure entitlement. Deserves serious jail time.

[@cammiller5516]

The landing gear got stuck and they were belly up on the runway. They were not short of the. Runway he cut the corner of the runway and grass.

[@TakingOff]

NTSB says initial impact 200 feet short of runway. Then the diagram in the report shows where landing gear left marks, where the nose gear broke etc. the gear was down.

[@ulbuilder]

Maybe with electrical fire they had no ASI, got a tad to slow just before touchdown.