Scotty Doesn't Know - TNG: Relics - Season 6, Episode 4

[@johnathanmichaud867]

Scotty lived most of his life during a tense Cold War with the Klingons. Even if he wanted to move past his prejudices after the events of ST:VI, it doesn't mean it was easy or quick.

[@Thena_the_Grey]

Exactly. It wasn't "racism", it would be xenophobic. it was also literal combat related animosity as it wasn't just a cold war. There was combat between them on several occasions (the Klingon and Starfleet). I dread to think what Sarah is going to say when they get to DS-9...or Voyager. She's going to say the Borg are good people and that Janeway was racist 🙄

[@harrypothead42024]

But, he's gotta try.

[@gregquinn7817]

I didnt feel like Scotty came off that bad in this. I thought Geordi came off worse.

[@jonathanross149]

They make Geordi a jerk half the time.

[@charlesvan13]

Geordi had a famous engineer from the original Enterprise from the previous century, and he couldn't take a day to take advantage of the unique opportunity for historical information.

[@the_regular_dinosaurus_rex]

i think synthehol is a little like artificial flavors. food scientists say its exactly the same as natural flavours down to the molecules, but when you give it to people who arent used to it they immediately know its different

[@webwolf404]

Exactly this

[@zerofire3172]

Kirk is dead in universe. Killed in generations. Scotty doesnt like klingons for the same reason obrien doesnt like the cardassians

[@chandlertorres248]

How can Sarah say she doesn’t usually feel sentimentality or nostalgia when the only reason I sing the pollo tropical jingle is her sentimentality and nostalgia burning it into my brain?

[@sararazack]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DanielSolis]

I always thought this conflict between Geordi and Scotty's philosophy of working with their captains was interesting. Like, is that difference a product of their captains? Would Geordi inflate his estimates if Kirk was his captain? Would Scotty be more transparent if Picard was his captain?

[@TobyDeshane]

I never gave a lot of thought to Scotty's "miracle worker"-obsessed time inflation. At least until I started giving estimates to clients at work. Once you give an estimate, they often don't want to hear that it will take longer, which it inevitably will thanks to unforeseen problems. So it makes sense to pad the estimate to give yourself a bit more breathing room out of the gate than have to fight for it later. (Though you don't want to overdo it, or they'll start sensing a pattern, I guess. Like Kirk does, come to think of it. 😆)

[@ianmorga4018]

​@@TobyDeshaneunder promise, over deliver.

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@TobyDeshane”Mister Scott. Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?” 😂

[@ianmorga4018]

This episode was released 23 years after the original. A large part of its audience would have been TOS fans from its original run. It was very much a nod to the original and the difference between the wild west of space in Scotty's day and the TNG age. I have been listening to the pod cast for a lityle while and I do appreciate the series being viewed through current eyes but the fact it is nearly 40 years since it originally piloted has to be taken into context. Star Trek in all it's guises has nodded towards the other shows/movies since TNG. One of the first TV universes.

[@NewbieStarTrek]

The whole point is that we are not taking it into context, two of the four hosts are newbies, lol

[@scarlettmi]

@@NewbieStarTrek Newbies are still capable of understanding that they aren't watching a contemporary film or tv show and that it came out into a different time and context. Being deliberately obtuse isn't the same thing as being a newbie.

[@AltoStratusX1]

Of course they know they're in a multiverse. I guess if you haven't watched TOS, ENT or DS9 you don't know about the Mirror Universe but outside of comics TOS had multiverse waaay before. Where do you think the "evil versions have mustaches" thing comes from lol.

[@TobyDeshane]

Is Mr. Scott REALLY this removed from the mainstream non-Trek public now? Oof...

[@Thena_the_Grey]

Funny considering the Abrams-verse movies that have been popular for a long time (a different type of Scotty, but still had Montgomery Scott)

[@voriliusviatica8826]

I think of scotty's attitude towards warf is understandable. Imagine a us navy officer from WW2 waking up today and being told the XO was german. It would take a bit of time to reprogram yourself.

[@NestorCaster]

19:41: The way Starfleet and human society functions in that world, although Scotty is retired, he's still very very valuable to Starfleet and the federation---- just NOT in the capacity as a chief engineer. HE still had a working high level knowledge of Starfleet and federation systems(hence the ability to put himself in transporter stasis). Now after over 75 years of advancements and progress, he's set back to a nearly a beginner, which for Scotty himself feels that he's basically at zero. The way Starfleet and the Federation define retirees is vastly different than how we do; however, the issue which arises in Star Trek lore, which takes the form of plotholes in many episodes is that they gloss over the actual practices that keep high level, legends like Scotty, valuable, while up-playing the "I'm useless" sentiment, for the emotional element/theme to be conveyed. Moreover, it's because the episode goes to over play that sentiment to relate to the audience in that manner, it's also intended that Scotty be the annoying, cantankerous old man that he was never in the earlier versions of himself--- AND have all of that cilche character troupes be directed primarily at Geordi--- to manufacture conflict, which goes to drive the plot.

[@PTNLemay]

10:30 The cameo effect is a well proven thing, no? Having Jeff Goldblum in the new Jurassic Park movies, or including some of the original cast in the new Ghostbusters. Or the entire premise of the Picard show. It's older fans going "oh I recognize that!" Whether it's subconscious or people are aware of it, it does sell more tickets.

[@TheSeventhZombie]

TOS set up the Star Trek multiverse with their evil Mirrorverse eps. Spock with a goatee 😂

[@NinjaCthulhu]

I actually enjoyed this episode, but likely because I am nostalgic and remember TOS and the original movies, so seeing Scotty and the original Enterprise bridge ment something to me. If you read some of the comments on the bridge clip, a lot of older people will say how much this scene ment a lot to them and brought a tear or two.

[@humblemumble80]

I had to realize that, in-universe, Scotty would be an annoying old person who's in the way. So Geordi's reaction is kind of understandable. Now that I'm older, I'd be the same as Geordi.

[@TheAdamGiles]

Outside of kirk or sulu, none of the original bridge crew had children. There was a book written about spock having a child, but I'm not sure if it's cannon.

[@charlottegerken4477]

I always wanted them to go back to the Dyson Sphere, such a cool idea! It's basically the same size as V'ger, except solid on the outside instead of a big cloud!

[@KeenanV]

Yes it was such a wasted concept! I wanted there to be a civilization/civilizations living on the surface that didn't realize there even was a galaxy outside the sphere anymore

[@charlesvan13]

It's also nonsense. It would take the iron ore of a million solar systems to get the material to build a sphere 100 million miles in diameter. Plus, there would be no gravity on the inside surface. You'd fall toward the star.

[@himwhoisnottobenamed5427]

@@charlesvan13I hear you on the sheer impracticality of a Dyson Sphere. Or a Death Star for that matter. But I think they would have a means of compensating for such problems.

[@charlesvan13]

@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 There's no way to get the material to build it. Orders of magnitude more material than exists in a solar system. There's also a paradox, that any civilization that could build such a structure, would have no need to. They would have limitless energy and materials.

[@noahlogue]

I love this episode so much hopefully I hear Dan's Picard Impression!😂

[@Thena_the_Grey]

I feel like Sarah would be a Jan 6th denier. I genuinely wish she was never brought on and we just had the guest appearances of people with actual Star Trek knowledge. I straight fast forward when she starts talking and I don't care if I miss out on anyone else talking, it's that garbage.

[@sullyb23511]

Yep.

[@Puckanm]

Geordie is such a A Hole this Episode. Poor Scotty.

[@harrypothead42024]

If there is a member of the crew being an asshole in any particular episode it is always la Forge he is the most unpleasant character in the show. I'll never understand why they cast Levar burton, a guy with extremely expressive eyes and an extremely expressive face, to be a guy with his eyes completely covered up, and, they made this genuinely nice man be kind of the fuddy-duddy of the show. The character becomes much nicer in the movies

[@mike_jwoww]

Honestly for some reason he reminded me of season 1 Geordi when they thought they were trapped by the ferengi and he was like "HOOOWEEE" out of no where when he got told the plan of how they were gunna get out lmao. Just don't Geordi haha.

[@Ringer5]

Oh! Holy shit! I remember the meteor going through the car! Talk about a nostalgia impact.

[@coffeefan]

I have a fondness of this episode, but probably because I love Scotty. Besides being a WW2 veteran, he also seemed to be a great human being. Here's a video of how he helped a TOS fan who was struggling with "thoughts of self harm" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYCtpnlto56afaMsi=kIrYtOdfCHUlbocK

[@Ichigo187]

They tell you....who he is tho...still means nothing if youre not familiar with ToS but they still tell you who he is lol

[@MrThehoyce]

Another thing Under Siege has going for it: Colm Meaney (aka Chief O'Brien) was in it!

[@jonathanross149]

A Dyson Sphere is like getting an earth with the radius of the distance from the earth to the sun.

[@deelaneenn6677]

i am so happy that you guys are going strong. love the content

[@empirejeff]

Scotty means a lot to a lot of people.

[@jonathanross149]

They stopped making Saturns because GM just want to work with its core brands. They tried to sell off Saturn, but the deal broke down and no more Saturn.

[@harrypothead42024]

18:10 a big part of why Scotty comes off so annoying in this episode it's because he's paired up with Geordie, the least pleasant character in this series.

[@ANTIStraussian]

Damn they talk about hugging forever.

[@harrypothead42024]

20:48 if I'm not mistaken when this episode was being made, James doing was already pretty deep into his Alzheimer's disease

[@gregquinn7817]

He may have had some early symptoms but this was 1992. He didn't stop doing conventions till 2004.

[@forestgeorge8855]

​@@gregquinn7817 Well he died in 2004-05.

[@gregquinn7817]

@forestgeorge8855 he died in July of 2005. He stopped doing conventions in 2004 due to health issues including Alzheimer's. But this TNG episode was filmed in 1992. He wasn't diagnosed with Alzheimer's in 1992...although there may have been some early but nothing I've ever heard.

[@jC-kc4si]

Saw him at a con in late 96 and he had absolutely no memory issues and told a few stories.. seemed completely normal.

[@beard78748]

Medical uses faxes because it is more secure than email. Fax machines are located in a secure location so only medical personnel will have access.

[@charlesvan13]

You can't change the requirements to be president with legislation. It's in the Constitution. It would require a constitutional amendment.

[@hunrahel]

"Mad Men days" is a good term for TOS

[@jayrollins4111]

This episode is incredible.

[@otheusrex2190]

I was walking down the street and turn my head to see a Saturn coupe literally as they mention it lol

[@harrypothead42024]

1:08:20 it's the alcoholism that finds alcohol disgusting if it's not alcohol

[@jonathanross149]

In the end Scotty was still innovative.

[@nicorobin3691]

I'm tired, boss.

[@ensign926]

Using antiquated technology like Faxes and floppy disc is that it is not hackable if you do not have the actual device and the government use floppies for our Nuclear missle systems for that reason, and parts of the airline radar tracking systems do to

[@420dretone]

i grew up on tos and the movies when you see it on tv as a kid you just enjoy moment its a feeling I wish your generation could experience...🙂.love the podcast

[@harrypothead42024]

44:13 I'd like to see you tell my 94-year-old grandmother she can't dance on the pole anymore.

[@wraithflaire1639]

I don't disagree that some job should have a maximum age limit president included but the ice cream thing has nothing to do with age. That was pure journalistic gotcha-ism. Where was the journalistic integrity? That journalist ask a serious question while a man doing a PR ice cream stop waiting for the exact moment he's going to start eating his ice cream. He didn't do it because care about the answer. He did because he was seeking two things either of which would reflect poorly on Biden. He was seeking what they got a shot of Joe answering a serious question while he was hold ice cream or the alternatively damning shot of Joe refusing to answer the question. Both of which fulfilled his anti-biden agenda.

[@kieranelliott5607]

I don't see it as bad writing that characters describe synthahol as being the same in taste as alcohol (or that it is supposed to taste the same) - there's enough examples from characters who taste the real stuff to know it does not, in fact, taste the same, but those who only consume synthahol apparently believe the description. The computer programme insists it is the same, so they believe it must be.

[@gregquinn7817]

Ugh this was a rough one.

[@gregwilliams7848]

I'm in my 50's and loved TNG and all the other ST shows except Discovery of course. This group makes me feel like a "boomer" even though I'm technically a Gen X.

[@WideNerdy]

I know right? To listen to this group, humanity has been banging around like idiots for two hundred thousand years having no good ideas but thankfully their generation has arrived and they're right about everything which they totally thought up on their own and now any idea that wasn't articulated in the last five years can be discarded. Nobody before the Millennials and Gen-Z apparently had any idea what they were talking about.

[@anotherjuanbitesthedust9443]

Totally agree this episode does not stand on its own as someone who never watched TOS, when I watched this i just kept thinking he looks like space Wilford Brimley

[@HamuraiJack]

Had a Saturn Vue pull in front of me right after you guys mentioned them.

[@harrypothead42024]

6:59 I don't know, I think Nate might have been having some fun with you. This is an exact plot from a late 80s television show called Perfect Strangers, exact plot.

[@chaz9808]

If y’all included clips or even pictures of the episodes you would prob double your views just some FYI

[@NewbieStarTrek]

We would also probably get flagged by CBS until our channel is killed.

[@TimmyJoePCTech]

WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GET TO THE FIREWORKS FACTOR... GET TO SCOTTY...

[@NewbieStarTrek]

We did right at the beginning! Lol

[@harrypothead42024]

56:19 shitloads of hospitals are built on WindowsXP

[@harrypothead42024]

I mean if it were millions of crickets eventually the place would be just completely oiled with Cricket guts to the point that it would be playing football on a slip and slide field

[@RoryGlynn]

Just think of them as big greyhounds.

[@chrisjones6792]

This Star Trek podcast could use more Star Trek.

[@brandonf4657]

Was it in Texas? If you’ve ever seen Texas chainsaw massacre 2? You know exactly where the chilli comes from 👀

[@renecharbonneau1842]

After years of being told they couldn’t reference TOS, Ron decided to go nuts with this episode only to write both Scotty and Geordi out of character for this story

[@wraithflaire1639]

I don't like ravioli either. It's a texture problem.

[@PTNLemay]

50:00 Sort of spoiler... I'll avoid details but... The question is brought up again in Star Trek Voyager.

[@harrypothead42024]

10:37 they assumed that by season 6 of TNG the viewers would know all of the characters from TOS but, their assumptions were obviously erroneous because Sarah is sitting there with you right now watching season 6 and not knowing the characters from the original series. that is check and mate😂😂

[@MuzzyBarker]

or, they assumed that the TOS fans who were very skeptical of a new show had finally come around to the point that they would be watching and able to appreciate a throwback.

[@kitsune-mj7uv]

Yes no, there's different breeds of horses like there's different breeds of dogs right?

[@eumeliovazquezjr1630]

Shy group we have right here

[@deepoetryjay]

Finally the episode I wanted Dan’s opinion on - it’s my best worst episode

[@Ringer5]

For Dan: ✋Scotty = White; Jordy = Black

[@davidharshman7645]

Given the current US political situation, I get the desire to set age limits on office. But, that definitely would run the risk of squeezing institutional knowledge out of the top levels of government. Term limits have the same issue. It just feels like trading our current problems for different problems...

[@RodgerCochran]

Really enjoying the shows and the content. A little too much 100-200hz on the guys mics, but still very enjoyable.

[@gaminz809]

This animal sport cast ep is awesome

[@Undead666-aj]

That Fiona and me do it in my fan every Sunday

[@Undead666-aj]

Van

[@Wittynametag]

Please Sarah if you don't know about them already please look up Shetland ponies.

[@sirtnfol8476]

in my world, everybody is a #1

[@damenwhelan3236]

36:56 Easier said than done. The day i get too old to do what i do is my second last day on earth. Its my purpose. It what im for. If i csnt do that than what am.i for?

[@harrypothead42024]

Not for nothing, i would listen to your podcast without Star Trek.

[@fun2run4]

Could someone just list out the plot holes they are talking about? Because I don't really want to listen to them talk anymore.

[@Andre-qo5ek]

lets put it in perspective. how you teach some one from the age of silent movies, post editing? 😅

[@NewbieStarTrek]

The overall fundamentals of film/video editing hasn't really changed that much since film came out. The biggest change was that computer software made nonlinear editing much more practical, but many experimental filmmakers still do linear editing for themselves on Moviolas. The biggest thing to learn would be that editing became much more convenient, haha

[@renecharbonneau1842]

This episode has issues for sure

[@yaric008]

How did the Enterprise transport through the shields? So many stupid plot holes that could gave easily been fixed.

[@TobyDeshane]

When things like that happen, the easiest fix is to just assume we're watching a simplistic rendition of events, and in "reality" this was all accounted for in the solution. (Kind of like how we on-screen gloss over the raw amount of time it takes to get from point A to point B, even at Warp 9.) That's just how I deal with it, at least. :)

[@dexterallen1282]

Coments!!! Also 8th😢

[@Ouioui555]

She needs to stop the woke crap. I get it’s comical, but jesus. Normalize this normalize that. You don’t have that kind of power what are you babbling about?

[@humblemumble80]

I have no idea what you just said...

[@davidlipps2241]

This channel would be better if Sara spoke less.

[@KeenanV]

Wild ass take, Sarah has some of the best insights and thoughtful comments of the group.