Wobbly Ladder Woes, Gas Valve Cutaway, Vintage Brass Fire Extinguisher.

[@michaellindsay8934]

I would've sent the ladder back to. When you get older, you need to be stable at all times. Beautiful restoration on the fire extinguisher. Great show thank you

[@drivesalot0063]

Always enjoy the cut-a-ways, Scout. The fire extinguisher turned out great. 👍

[@aroundthehousewithpat31]

Great job on the cutaway on the gas valve. I was a tech for a gas utility for 35 years. The lubricant you referred to in the valve is actually gas valve grease. We used to carry tubes of gas valve grease to repair a valve that was leaking. They would dry out overtime and usually a valve like that would never be turned for years so they would begin to leak. Found and repaired thousands of them during my time. We would take them apart and take a little gas valve grease on a finger and rub it around on it. Put it back together and no more leak. Be good for another 50 years.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Wow! Thanks so much! Awesome information! 😃👍

[@aroundthehousewithpat31]

@@ScoutCrafter oh and I forgot to add. There were always pranksters out of our shop who would valve grease the door handles to the truck. There was nothing worse than going to the truck in the morning and grabbing the door handle to the truck and coming away with a handful of that grease at six in the morning. 😂

[@chuckmays3857]

Nice show. I really like that gas valve. How many of us have used a paper napkin or sugar packet to level a table in a restaurant? 😊

[@danieldumaine6139]

Great Video. Needed a brass review. I have a bunch of those platform ladders; they are easy on my old feet. My favourite is a Werner, but it is all metal, no Aluminum kind of heavy. No wobble, I weigh about 220 pounds, and it feels safe.

[@brittcurtiss9078]

Great show. I agree totally with returning the ladder and getting another one. People who don’t use ladders have no idea. Keep up the great content.

[@elmj3566]

Totally agree. Ladder accidents are at the top of the list when it comes to workplace recordables. Good companies have ladder inspection programs and take these kind of ladders out of service before somebody gets hurt. Funny, 25 years ago I worked on a project in China. The steel plant hand long ladders made from bamboo that everyone was using. I said nope, me getting on that ladder aint gonna happen!

[@WeekendShedHead]

Hey John , gotta love a cut away .. fascinating to see how they use a taper. Fantastic.. 😃diddy fire extinguishers.. gotta get myself bar keepers friend . Of course amazing results as always.. love it 😃 thanks for getting involved. Again.. I always come away from your videos more knowledgeable 🙌 Cheers Rob

[@evilla410]

Hello John, nice vintage extinguisher I never seen that kind before. I’m glad you re ordered the step ladder 🪜 👍

[@johnkelley9877]

The gas valve looks great! I always like a cut away and you do a great job on them. I was surprised at how nice the fire extinguisher cleaned with just Bar Keeper's Friend, Brillo and metal polish. I would return the ladder too.

[@oldguyknots]

Very cool with the cut away. Create your own museum of how things work. Nice clean up on the brass. Don't know if I'd spray lacquer on it only because it's so satisfying to clean it and make it shine again.

[@paulsworkshop4179]

I really love the cutaway projects. The fire extinguisher looks fantastic. I think I might have kept the ladder and called the manufacturer. They might have sent you a new one or something. If the next one is wobbly, call them.

[@patrickrhin9152]

Hey !John, la valve de gaz coupé est superbe. Le polish de ce petit extincteur est lui aussi superbe, très bon travail pour le challenge. ❤

[@13thworker45]

I don’t blame you for returning the ladder. Werner is a name brand of expensive ladders. All of mine don’t wobble from 2’ to 24’. You used barkeepers friend on another show and I bought a can. Great product. Great show, thank You

[@stevebark4873]

On the gas valve, that type valve is called a " ground joint" valve. That tapered plug is lapped in to provide a perfect seal. Good show today!

[@ScoutCrafter]

Steve like a Morse taper! Amazing! 😃👍

[@lrbrad4d]

Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down. 🤣🍻

[@Uwannawatch]

John, A lot of people don't realize how different a gas valve is from a water valve. Loved seeing the cut away. The fire extinguisher came up fantastic. I gotta remember to pick up some of that Bar Keepers Friend. I've been on some sketchy ladders but they were also free. if you pay for one you'd expect it not to wobble.

[@ScoutCrafter]

George I honestly never knew what was inside a gas valve. Some new ones look like ball type valves. 😃👍

[@rawbacon]

Michigan Ladder was in business for 120 years, they were the last wood ladder factory in the United States too. Another great cutaway, always wondered what the seal system was and now I know.

[@357magdad]

The cutaway looks great!

[@robertlevine2152]

ScoutCrafter, 😊 Very enjoyable show. There are some very interesting subjects covered. The gas valve you have is referred to as a plug valve. They can be used to control flow rates but are normally used for on/off service. They do come in large sizes 12" and larger. We used large 3-way plug valves, so the venting system on a tank could be connected to a high (gasoline) or low (heavy fuel oil) vapor pressure lines. To make sure the tanks were never 100% isolated, there was a round hole drilled through the cylindrical opening. Before the valve position was changed, the plug had a jacking/seating mechanism for moving the plug vertically on the seat. I am not a chemist, nor do I claim any knowledge of chemistry. I have worked closely with fire safety people and worked on the installation of fire suppression systems. Your fire extiguisher has bromochloromethane is a mixed halomethane. It is a heavy low viscosity liquid. It is a forerunner of Halon 1301. It was banned by the NFPA in 1969. It was banned in 2002 because of greenhouse gasses and global warming. Halon 1301 was developed as a safer alternative to bromofloromethane. Halon 1301 is bromotrifluoromethane is gaseous as opposed to being a liquid. Halon 1301 is all but a banned substance. Although there are alternatives to Halon 1301, the main answer has been CO2. Bob

[@ScoutCrafter]

That is some very interesting information on the gas valve! Thanks for sharing! 😃👍

[@chrisT5259]

Scout, I would have also returned the steps. I have always appreciated Home Depots return policy as well, that helps when we receive an online order with iissues. I have always had good quality products from Werner, as a fellow viewer stated, I would drop them a line. If we don't let companies know we are disappointed with a service or product, they will never know and therefore do nothing about it. Loved the valve and hand polishing tips - Thank you!

[@ScoutCrafter]

Chris- I always try to give a company the benefit of the doubt, in fact before I trash them I would contact them. The only problem is sometimes today’s companies are run by salaried employees who have no stake in the business so they could care less. Years ago reputation meant everything. 😃👍

[@crr8297]

Thank you, nice show, the gas valve reminds me of an old ground glass stopper, pretty much leak proof. I would have returned the ladder too, like you said it's nice to see what you're buying first.

[@westhighlandsshop]

Very cool cutaway! Great tips on the brass cleanup! Thanks for sharing!

[@allentrench]

Nice job on the little fire extinguisher job we could use a couple million of them down here in Southern California. It really is a mess down here. See you on Monday.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Allen- I used to live in Santa Monica so I have been watching closely- Hope you are safe.

[@brianlittle3452]

If that ladder doesn't work - you might find a work platform useful. Most work platforms are around three feet long which makes them useful. There are various heights with some units having adjustable height. The units I have are about two steps high.

[@tonyn3123]

I feel your pain with the small ladder. I have a Werner 6' step ladder that has thrown me off so many times by twisting and rolling. The sheet metal is just not rigid enough. I learned that when you set it up, pull out on the legs (span) to make sure all the flex is out of the structure, and it is really stable. I still don't like it even though I use it when I have to. Uneven floor is more of an issue than the manufacturers leg length. Werner makes a "home" 2-step ladder that is sturdier than the type you bought. I got one from Lowes for my shop when I was hanging my lights. I carried it back and forth to the house so many times that I just bought another one. I love it and wobble has never been an issue. The frame is tubular and more rigid and locks open firmly. The model I have is S412-6 and top step is 17" and 250 lb. capacity. I think the top body support bar is not quite as high as you bought, but I can still brace my legs against it for my balance without it flexing. Just my experience with Werner for what it's worth. Thanks.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Thanks Tony!! 😃👍

[@jackthompson2132]

Another great show today John! I liked your cut away and tip on cleaning brass. Thank You for sharing!!!

[@bigvicsworkshop]

Cut aways are pretty cool! Keep at it, please! Have a great weekend

[@andyc972]

Thanks John, but don't get me started on wobbly ladders, I have a Werner 4 step Fibreglass ladder which is great and has just enough flex to take up any unevenness in the floor, but is perfect on a completely flat floor ! My pet hate was exam desks at high school nothing worse in a situation that is stressful anyway than ALWAYS ending up with a desk that rocks as you write for the whole 2-3 hours of pain completing the exam ! It's like the shopping trolley with the wonky wheel that wants to spin in a different direction to the other three ! Thanks for the advice on cleaning up the brass too, I'm gonna try and do one for Georges challenge too, I love bar keepers friend !

[@ScoutCrafter]

Andy- Shopping carts annoy me too! 🫣😂👍

[@OldSneelock]

There are more and more items I won't order online just for that reason. Your example of the hammer handle is one of them. I still can go to local hardware stores and look through a rack of hammers but a bucket of handles is more likely since I like to hang my own handles so they don't come loose.

[@jeffwagner8068]

Chlorobromomethane extinguishers (CB) were commonly used on flight lines on military bases. The problem was that the agent was toxic and corrosive, and when used in a fire, it created toxic clouds. Needless to say, they got phased out.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Same with carbon tetra chloride. Also foam! I guess we’re back to using buckets of water! 😂👍

[@ronitsingh85]

This is why 99% of my shoppings are done at estate sales, sourcing out a good wooden ladder thats stable is the way to go if you are strong enough to lug it. Even these newer ladders can be head for a fraction of the cost at estate sales if you can find em.

[@jacklinks9621]

gotta love a antique fire extinguisher

[@bobbyw9046]

Amazing that even with scoring on the brass the valve seals the gas from flowing!

[@Trashed20659]

I would maybe consider building my own. I wonder if a modified tripod design might work there. I built a step stool that stands about 13" high and doubles as a tool carrier. The top is piano hinged and locks with metal hasps so you can pick it up by the handle slot in the center. I use it in the shop and take it with me for family repair tasks.

[@MattHmm-rq6dn]

You gotta try the little giant ultra 2 step. It's extremely thin and light but still a platform and knee rail. Theu also have a jumbo step 2 step model takes up a little more space but has huge runs and waist high rail to catch you. I have both and they truly keep you safe. They are both a lowes in my store so but you can order them as well from ace. The first one is under 70 dollars too!

[@nicksantitoro]

For protecting brass from tarnishing try some Renaissance Wax. It’s supposed to work very well. I just bought some for protecting my clocks.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Thanks Nick! 😃👍

[@stephendoherty1275]

Ha! Yes, I hate wobbly ladders and tables. I would have tried one thing first. Lay the ladder (or chair, card table, saw table...) on the floor on its side. The two legs that are too high or far apart, place one on the floor and the other one up high over it, off of the floor. Push the two together a bit to correct the issue. It takes a little trial and error like on the Dake to straighten out something. I've done this a million times.

[@John..18]

Years ago I had a wobbly table, so I decided to shorten the "odd" leg,,, now I have a table and 4 chairs that are only 7 inches tall,, 🤣🤣

[@ScoutCrafter]

😂😂😂

[@johnmclaurin]

God, there IS someone out there just like me! I can never find the gimp leg, it just gets wobblier and wobblier! Great comment!

[@patjohnson3100]

I wouldn't have taken the uneven ladder home either. Fortunately, the hardware store has a cure for uneven furniture in many cases. The adjustable screw in feet can help in many cases. Wobbly chairs and tables are very aggravating, but I guess uneven floors have to take their share of the blame. Fire extinguisher came out great. Oxalic acid is also used to clean and flush radiators.

[@saxon1376]

I remember going to Bovington tank museum and they had a tank cut in half lengthwise , that’s some cut away 😳

[@rge2410]

Definitely send it back. Maybe try a Louisville brand.

[@TheThriftyWoodworker]

John, you had a great opportunity after this ran to teach us how to make a ladder very disappointed that you didn’t take advantage of it. Have a great weekend.😊

[@ScoutCrafter]

If I can’t find a good one I will have to make one. 😂👍

[@andrewtaylor7377]

The best steps, by far, I've ever had is the Werner Sure Grip Comfort Steps. They are solid, sturdy, fold flat and don't wobble at all..

[@pjb1985]

Great job on the fire extinguisher! Enjoy the weekend

[@57WillysCJ]

Nice cutaway. I wonder if that had a coating of graphite to lubricate the valve? I wouldn't touch a unlevel ladder unless it was given to me and guess what the first thing I would do to it? Werner from what I have heard is not what it use to be and that is a prime example.

[@1pcfred]

I think that slime in the valve was just residue from the gas. Gas isn't 100% pure.

[@bradlung5381]

Yes, return that ladder. The whole purpose is to get a person to a higher level off of the floor, a person needs to be stable. Don’t know about you but I’m a bit clumsy and wobble is not a help!! The gas valve was interesting. Your new year challenge should be for a cutaway challenge. Probably see a lot of interesting items! Thanks for keeping the channel awesome!!

[@ScoutCrafter]

I’ve always been fascinated by how things work. Must have been the visible V-8 that got me started. 😃👍

[@nonamegarage6721]

The worst is the table at the restaurant that is wobbly 😢😢😢 I really love the cutaway projects too.

[@shedmanx3640]

John, I used to recondition gate valves back in the day from 50mm to a couple of metres in diameter. It’s no different to lapping valves in a car and it makes them incredibly tight; air tight. Yours is a similar design and turned out great. By the way I purchased some Barkeeper’s Friend some time ago on your recommendation and it is fantastic stuff. I had no idea on its effect on brass. Thanks for that info.

[@ScoutCrafter]

The only drawback of the bar keepers friend is the smell. 🫣😂👍

[@johnroberts7280]

Thanks John.

[@saigaking]

I think sometimes when the put the ladders together they are a little bit out they just Take a little adjustment back to square it’s a bit crap when it’s a new product should Be checked for square when they leave the manufacturer great show John god bless Take care let’s hope Trump’s inauguration goes well and there’s no drama 🇺🇸🇳🇿🗽🇮🇱🪖DJT 45-47

[@ScoutCrafter]

I’m glad it’s indoors! It will be a lot safer! 😃👍

[@larryborkstrom3580]

I do the same with the ladder can't blame you one bit

[@truthreigns7]

wonderful video

[@pt4242]

Chlorobromomethane, also known as bromochloromethane or Halon 1011, is a colorless liquid used primarily as a fire extinguishing agent. It has a chloroform-like odor and is nonflammable, but can be toxic if inhaled in high concentrations.

[@bigpete4227]

I work in a chain hardware store in the UK. You can return anything you're not happy with, 90% of the staff don't care either way. In fact, we're told not to quibble.

[@wardman21]

Must have been a Monday or Friday ladder.

[@Bci42]

Wagner also makes an aluminum folding 2 or 3 step step ladder. Love mine : look in Walmart next time to see what their stocking people use. Has a locking handle- is heavy duty.

[@themoviemaniac8416]

Hey, John. I really enjoy when you restore lamps and light fixtures. I have two of those wagon wheel ceiling light fixtures that have 5 lights around the wheel. They are wood and I think some brass maybe. They both need restoring, like glueing up and all that. Would you be interested in them free? I did pick up globes for them a while ago, but I have too many other things to do around the house. Let me know.

[@ScoutCrafter]

I have two of those wagon wheel lights, unfortunately they take up a good amount of space! Something we all need more of! 🫣😂👍. Thanks!!

[@lotsatrains]

Don’t blame you for rejecting that ladder 🪜 and hopefully the next one is good 👍 and awesome job doing that cutaway and polishing the fire extinguisher I like barkeepers friend great product 👌

[@cheekymonkey444]

That's the reason a milking stool has three legs. It sets solid on any uneven surface. It irritates the crap out of me to have a wobbly table at a restaurant.

[@1pcfred]

What are you moving into the restaurant? It's not like you're going to have to live with their furniture for very long.

[@cheekymonkey444]

​@1pcfred guess you don't get out much.

[@1pcfred]

@@cheekymonkey444 I just don't sweat the petty stuff

[@Reggyontheroad]

Gotcha 👍👍🔩🔩🫵🫵

[@marcmckenzie5110]

John, I’ve fixed a few things like that wobbly stepladder by using a few carefully placed hits with the right sized dead-blow hammer. This only works with aluminum steps; really what is bending is the step to frame connection. If one gets too enthusiastic, that’s a bent step or frame. Do you think that would have worked? Obviously good quality at the outset is best! 🤬

[@ScoutCrafter]

Marc- I spent twenty minutes in the store trying to see if it was an adjustment, a missing pad, anything I could fix but then I said I’ll just order another and wait three days. Now watch they ship the same one back to the store! 🫣😂👍

[@1pcfred]

I wouldn't have accepted the wobbly ladder either. If I want old messed up junk I've got plenty of that already. When I get something new I expect it to be decent.

[@DiggerD-w6r]

As a punishment in Basic Training we had to polish a fired brass tank shell. All we had was steel wood and scouring powder. 30 men and 12 hours later it had a mirror finish.

[@ScoutCrafter]

I bet it looked great! 😃👍

[@brainache555]

You would think that a company that makes ladders at least would get the basic function of it right... To be safe and sturdy.

[@billmcclure433]

A wobbly ladder can make you feel unbalanced and cause an accident. I would have done the same as you. All my A-Frame ladders are a twin step. I feel most secure on them. Werner is my ladder of choice. So sad how quality control has waned in recent time. I have been looking for a ladder similar to the one you want. Be sure to give an update to the replacement. If it passes your muster with a good review, then I will know it will be on my to acquire list. I tool will go through a whole box of hammers to get the one that feel just right.

[@ArmandoLoni]

My wife's got a bit of a wobble on her but I think I'll keep her...... 👍🏻🛠️

[@ScoutCrafter]

😂😂😂

[@barryrankin587]

I don’t blame you for returning the ladder. Especially for the amount a ladder cost. You would think it wouldn’t wobble.

[@terryrogers1025]

Speaking of a wobbling anything, at 75 years old, I’m getting wobbly enough with out help from anything else, yeah, I go with returning the ladder, good call, be sure and let us know what the second ladder is like, I would be interested in knowing, if the 2nd one is wobbly, oh, I got hear the rant on that one.😊😂😂😂. Cut away on the gas valve was interesting, you did a nice job on it, looked great. On brass, I tend to use BRASSO, i got introduced to it in military basic training, it worked, I just stuck with it, probably better cleaners out there though, would interested in your thoughts or subscriber thoughts if interested. Great show young man, enjoyed watching.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Terry- After 50 I promised myself no more ladder work- I’ll use a small A frame but going on the roof is done. 😂👍

[@fabianflores2339]

Brasso boys 😂

[@madamecampsalot6384]

Never saw one of those little fire extinguishers. Cool! The worst wobble is the one that spills your coffee at the diner, AH! Have to ask, do you have a box of valve cutoff scraps?😊

[@ScoutCrafter]

I do keep the brass scraps only because I can’t see throwing brass away. 😂👍

[@madamecampsalot6384]

​@@ScoutCrafteri knew it! I would too!

[@larrynelson734]

Hi John. Very interesting video. Now I know how to polish brass. Could you explain how you do that kneraling. I want to try that on a product I'm doing. Thanks in advance. 👍👍❤...

[@ScoutCrafter]

Larry- Most Knurling is done on a lathe however there is a hand knurling tool too! - looks like this - www.govets.com/value-collection-310-00227975.html?tm=tt&ap=gads&aaid=adaPX6jLANBnv&gad_source=4&gbraid=0AAAAADlVAj8ozghA8oEXnJ9XY7I-58Esb&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI05LCjvP-igMV7lxHAR2lGRsIEAQYBiABEgKghfD_BwE

[@larrynelson734]

Sorry about that.what I ment was those swirly looking things that you do on metal things. I forgot what you call that. 👍🤔...

[@christianzazzali2720]

I couldn't return it fast enough

[@johnm.9989]

I would have returned it also. Quality control is so poor these days. This should not have made it out the door at the factory. I would also send the company a letter letting them know about this.

[@ScoutCrafter]

You are so right.

[@jreed2447]

When I first started insulating 24 years a i would walk wooden 12 ft Lynn ladder to make my job faster knock on wood i never fell off

[@michaelsisiliano8676]

Order the same one, from a different store !

[@jimjohnston7688]

Should have just put a label on the ladder from the dollar store, they’d never known.😂

[@magomat6756]

Put the cut piece back and set a screw so you can turn it away op to see inside, and then you close it and see the valve normale

[@tomdale1313]

"Snoop" abides...

[@setdown2]

Could have been one of the plastic foot guards was not on all the way…maybe ??…I purchased some bar keepers friend and works great but when I went to use it again { 5 months later } it was hard as a rock..😳 and no it was not in the full bathroom but in a half bathroom…I’m meaning to call the company just for { S&G ] to see what they say…I do that if they have a # to call if I think they should hear about something…lol I usually get something free…🤭😂🤣…🖖

[@ScoutCrafter]

I did check the legs and everything was normal. I would contact Bar Keepers friend, see what they say. 😃👍

[@janderson8401]

I would have bought the ladder from somewhere other than the big orange box

[@mitchjohnson4970]

I wouldn't want to be elevated a wobble. I would hate to be off the ground and feel like there is any possibility that I'm falling over.

[@tonylenge424]

I would have returned the ladder!

[@IsaacWilsonSantiago]

Ask to buy the silver one used. I am sure the manager could do that.

[@heyboy33333]

I hate wobbly tables, chairs, ladders, etc. Ever go to a restaurant and the table is wobbly? You may laugh but I carry 3 index cards with me to fix wobbly tables in restaurants. My wife laughs every time I pull out a card.

[@troon5488]

Yep, poor QC. I would have returned it.

[@stevenb.182]

Not too long ago, I watched 357 MagDad do something similar with a toothbrush, to clean up a project..... Now your toothbrush is gonna taste funny, but boy will your teeth be bright !!!!

[@truthreigns7]

i misused a ladder, and while i was doing that, i thought if i just keep my weight on this side, well gravity took over and I fractured my ankle. So NEVER USE A WABBLY LADDER, caps inteneded

[@ScoutCrafter]

Ladders are responsible for over 500,000 serious injuries and 300 deaths every year in the US! 🫣😃👍

[@truthreigns7]

@ScoutCrafter wow

[@ed6837]

They should have checked it before it left the factory. Could be just the plastic feet.

[@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674]

I work in Ypsilanti michigan

[@ScoutCrafter]

Today is warm for you but early next week a cold front moves in! 🥶😂👍

[@richardryan2264]

Surprised Home Depot didn’t say the is fine .Your floor is uneven.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Richard- I demonstrated the issue in front of the whole customer service staff and they all agreed! 😂👍

[@ezzathawash2475]

It’s not necessarily the legs not being the exact length, if the floor is off from one leg to another it will warble. Three legs will never warble no matter the topography.

[@hkfan4596]

It's true. Quality has gone to absolute crap!

[@weshopkins9847]

It's your money use it wisely

[@2012Guardian]

I cannot accept wobble and would not accept it.

[@ironhead65]

I was waiting for the "what kind of maniac doesn't know about chloro-boro-methyl ??"

[@alexstools]

Everything I make is wobbly... Can't you find one of those steps used?

[@ScoutCrafter]

I ordered another we will see. 😃👍

[@GuntersGarage]

I cant stand wobbling tables/chairs etc. Ive spent 10 min cramming napkins under a wobbly table to shim it at a restaurant before.

[@ScoutCrafter]

😂😂👍

[@buddynewman8949]

I would defiantly have returned the ladder immediately but I would not have ordered another from that company

[@jamesjames956]

Wobbly ladders are dangerous . I won’t stand on one .

[@zaphodbeetlepox6627]

I would have taken the wobbly one to the Dollar store and traded them the shiny new one for thier old crusty (better made) one.

[@ScoutCrafter]

Yes! I wish they would! 😃👍