Scrybabies cEDH Takeover! | Winota vs Niv Mizzet vs Pako vs Minsc

[@Luastardust]

Listen that was the best turn one I’ve had in a long time okay 😂 thank you for having me! Love y’all ❤

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

You're the best! You're welcome back anytime, that weekend was a ton of fun!

[@ElDocBruh]

Really loved that Minsc deck and the Saffi Gerrard interaction. I'm glad Jim got to show it off after a lot of sad turns!

[@nathanschmaltz672]

I came for the good boy Pako, but I stayed for the No Land Lepage

[@BitterQuicksilver]

Note that Niv Mizzet triggers every time you draw a card, not only when you draw a card as a result of his second ability. This includes your draw step. I think you missed a couple of triggers.

[@lucarr1041]

Ok, so "Dog" going straight into Alex's Pako intro got me way more than it should have 😂

[@lnfernaIGuard]

Great game, but one little thing. The triggers for Gerrard and Saffi were stacked wrong on the last combo turn. You have to return Gerrard first with Saffi's triggered ability, otherwise Gerrard's ability will exile him permanently from your graveyard. Other than that, great!

[@thebaseballfreak11]

Thanks for the explanation. I was super confused on how that worked because of the exile.

[@jeffwiles6504]

It’s been a minute since I’ve heard the “only Stephen Green” reference

[@avatarofpapermagic]

Love that you have great guests on again. Lua is such a beautiful soul, hope she goes far in cEDH and wins a tournament soon

[@Luastardust]

🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 thank you so much this was very sweet

[@Jarvis_Moonbeam]

I think the Mr. Rogers sweater threw Lua off, and that's the only reason she called Jim a stupid old person.

[@mtgygo4249]

I actually love all the commanders featured here, looking forward to the game!!

[@Weasels42]

Psyched to see the Safi / Gerrard loop show up! Bit a note for those watching from home, but the order of resolving the Safi and Gerrard triggers is not a situational thing. You must resolve the Safi trigger first or else Gerrard exiles himself as part of his own ability. There's no "if" so his ability will still resolve if he's not in the graveyard when it resolves. Love this interaction with my 5C Niv list, though that deck has to find other ways to win with that loop since I can't find those single color cards off my commander.

[@54m0h7]

Just to be clear, Gerrard's ability does say to "exile it and return..." The combo works, but you might want to mention that Saffi's trigger needs to bring him back first.

[@jasonappel1253]

just so you guys know, you have to stack saffi and gerard triggers so gerard resolves first. This is because you’re required to exile gerard to combo with him. Then Saffi is able to bring him back from exile because of the card’s wording. It’s only relevant to me because Minsc is one of my favorite cedh decks. I am super happy to see it win in this pod though 😁.

[@AmazingChestTTV]

Actually it's the opposite. Saffi trigger has to resolve first otherwise Gerrard won't be a legal target for her trigger when it resolves (since he'd be in exile). From the first ruling on Gerrard: "Gerrard’s triggered ability returns artifact and creature cards even if Gerrard leaves your graveyard before you can exile it." Exiling Gerrard is not required for the trigger to resolve.

[@maxime669]

Omg jim is bringing crazy play out of no where. That 2 deck I would like to recreate and try !

[@OverZealos]

"it could even be a boat" sent me. Alex is the man

[@velozmachine]

A MTG newbie here so the ending kind of goes over my head regarding the loop, but had fun watching this! Was def cheering for Lua

[@TheNoobGamer8]

I love Winota so much. Nothing better than a glass cannon !

[@y2aalkis606]

Yay, it's Pako Puesday again! \o/

[@uselessnolagemtg]

Ol’ No Lands LaPage 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CookiesFTA]

That was such a cool combo from Jim

[@iansamuel1811]

"i would have a draw... just incase it matters." ill have to try that one in my playgroup😂

[@CrimbusDaJimbus]

I just about lost my shit when I realized Lua is drinking out of a Troy and Abed in the morning Mug!

[@kstandish42]

Presented without context or explanation: Or Ken’s wife if you’re terminally online 💀💀💀 i HOWLED. BRAVO

[@SylveonSimp]

Just started the video but Alex on Pako will hopefully be a blast!

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

Man minsc is definitely Jim's go to deck. Looks like a good build too. Lua lol need to listen and not become the threat asap cause you could have taken that game next turn I think. M

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

I think it might be my highest winrate deck I've played on the channel

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

@@TheSpikeFeeders I believe it to be true Jim. It seems like you really have it tuned just right too.

[@cuencamh]

@@TheSpikeFeeders I would love to see a deck tech explaing your build and all the combos possibilities for it! Really enjoyed the deck. :)

[@Minedeleis]

I'd have let that Winota turn 1 happen just to see how fucked the whole table would have been, but I thrive on Chaos

[@yggdrasilraphael4815]

There was no way to attack with the Lookout and get the draw trigger, I assume ? That was a wild game, not sure Jim deserved the win with such a greedy keep 😉 Luna also brought a great energy to the table and the four of you were great players to watch - as usual! 🌵🔥

[@toonvanzijl2351]

Question to Alex: don't you run any evasion for Pako? I know the card advantage still works, but he gets chumped so much in your games. How do you make your win inevitable?

[@dabeast19924]

For real! Too many creatures and not enough evasion/protection

[@wumpmas2]

worth noting that there is a combo (seasons past + mystical tutor + 5 mana time walk) but the advantage is just overwhelming and not every deck is a creature dense as these ones

[@brandoncreek5709]

The evasion is less useful in cedh tbh. Usually, you just attack the open player or the black player trying to Naus, and chump blockers are less useful in higher tier pods. And you're basically just fishing for the seasons past combo and pressuring life totals

[@GreenRayJC]

Interestingly, although Niv can't be countered, you can still target it with a counter spell. It will just fizzle

[@kevinwestermann1001]

No, it will just not do anything.

[@ChristianKleineidam]

The order that Gerrads and Saffi's trigger are stacked matter. If they are stacked in a way it's demonstrated in the video, where Gerrads trigger first resolves and brings back all the creatures, Gerrad exiles itself and Saffi's ability does nothing.

[@kellyturner920]

Hey, does Shock require a legal target?

[@toonvanzijl2351]

I love to watch your games! Wanted to ask about start of turn 2, though: why wouldn't elliot put the apprentice on top? Alex is about to play Pako and a creature on top is worse for him.

[@brandonbrown6754]

Great game!

[@johnrushing521]

Does Gerrard have to exile itself in order to bring everything back?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

No, since there is no "if" the trigger will just do as much as it can. First gatherer ruling covers this use case.

[@johnrushing521]

@@TheSpikeFeeders oh cool thanks for clearing that up for me

[@sophieswarbrick6732]

But the order of the triggers does matter, should have been ordered with Safi on top, otherwise Gerard would exile itself before returning everything else and you can't loop.

[@beardlybear6528]

you cant play lands with pako friends, newer fan of the channel but ive watched so many alreadyyy and am in love

[@kirbyfleitz6508]

You can! Haldan an says “play noncreature cards”, which includes playing lands with the counters on them

[@hesnotbad9045]

Did Eliot exile two cards to force of negation?

[@alexmcgregor8658]

I know that your life total is a resource but I am bad at Math

[@TripppAU]

4:45 Why did this get countered if they had cavern of souls?

[@DrewTurney]

When the alligator came down the stairs why did they label it as a dog?

[@narkfly]

As a Casual Calvin and a Budget Billy, this may come down to complete lack of experience in CEDH, but since Mana Crypt is free to cast, why play it on turn 1 - invoking extra possible damage - with seemingly nothing to spend 2 wingdings on? Warping Wail in hand? (Is that card competitive?) Not ramping further on Sol Ring for fear of a board wipe that can hit artifacts - or not wanting a possible early Dockside to get additional treasure tokens?

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Generally speaking you don't want someone to play a Mystic Remora or a Wheel while you have them in your hand

[@narkfly]

@@TheSpikeFeeders Solid, thanks for the helpful tutelage. :)

[@argonnas2]

elliot forgot to ping with niv off natural draw and lua forgot to draw of ogma and survival

[@ingolf82]

Lua. not only playing stax, but tapping to the left, tsk tsk... hehehe

[@dwightpatch4441]

How did Gerrard not stay exiled? Wouldn't saffi have to happen first?

[@lucasmorhee9197]

Jim actually couldn't play pattern of rebirth right? Because he already played veil of summer and there was a deafening silence in play

[@alexmcgregor8658]

If it is put into play as an effect from Academy Rector and not cast, that wouldn't be an issue. Am I misunderstanding your question?

[@ktalbot2303]

Wouldn't submerge on Rector while minsc was on the stack have saved everybody for a turn?

[@zealot2147]

Still gets veiled

[@sunflowertheog]

second question, were there any forests in play? unless i missed yavimaya stacked up somewhere or i'm bad at math cuz if not, he can't submerge for free

[@alexmcgregor8658]

The temple garden is under the sauce

[@mckfencer]

Could have soulbonded to the ragavan when niv was exiled.

[@ozzfan46]

Cool game, fun group to watch. Only small note is Lua should have exiled the Foothills to the Cavern, not put it in her graveyard. This Only came up because there was mention of putting it back on top with Noxious Revival, ultimately Eliot decided not to do it, so it didn't impact game play, which is why it's just a small thing.

[@TheQueerLeaf]

Nice

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Very nice

[@mensinkniek]

So i am kinda new to magic and trying to understand. Shouldn’t cavern of souls have protected your loyal apprentice or did i misread it? Again kinda new and trying to understand if i read it right.

[@Luastardust]

It would but I used it on Winota ❤

[@mensinkniek]

@@Luastardust Got it! Thank you for the clarification!

[@wcreative5889]

Niv mizzet should have won on the silence cast since a player cast an instant spell draw card deal a damage rinse repeat. I’m confused. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Dircamonster]

I don't play with Solitude so maybe I missed something, but I'm not sure why Lua put it in the graveyard after flashing it in. Seemed to me like she would have been able to trigger Winota on her turn had she not done so.

[@battersae6606]

sacrificing is sadly a part of evoking a card

[@Dircamonster]

@@battersae6606 ahhh thank you! I forgot it was also part of the evoke!

[@dataghost2307]

Bend SNAP!

[@georgemarquez4308]

XD my boy pako.

[@seraph_six]

NIGEL

[@WadeDemoss]

4:54 cavern makes it un counterable

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Looking at it I'm pretty sure Lua used cavern to cast Winota, not Loyal Apprentice so it wouldn't have had the uncounterable ability applied. - Alex

[@WadeDemoss]

@@TheSpikeFeeders gotcha gotcha gotcha. Just weird tapping of the lands . Was a funny game keep it up !! It's an older game but still always good to have the Babies on games for sure

[@nathanielreichley4640]

I love spellskite

[@tylerhofstra6124]

So shouldn't gerrard have been exiled?

[@Lostking95]

Should've been able to FOW the Loyal Apprentice because of the cavern of soul's

[@TheGrifcannon22]

So this was mentioned in a different content creator's video (I don't remember who's) but it at least used to be that if you didn't explicitly state you were using the second ability then the spell could still be countered. Not sure if that's changed. That all said, sometimes mistakes happen.

[@hennybuggy4]

Cavern of Souls was tapped to cast Winota. Lua used Chrome Mox and Gemstone Caverns to cast Loyal Apprentice, so it could be countered.

[@simonisphording]

@@hennybuggy4 A chrome mox that had a white card imprinted 😔

[@hennybuggy4]

@@simonisphording She pre-gamed Gemstone Caverns so that made the red mana.

[@zealot2147]

Oh I forgot about gemstone probably because no counter. Typically I remember it regardless lol

[@lostlyric5548]

I love how the no land hand won

[@Rishkar-Peema-Pants]

Epic Spoiler thanks

[@patricksaville8672]

Is Winota her only deck? Seems each video she’s in she plays Winota lol.

[@TheSpikeFeeders]

Its her cEDH deck of choice! She played Yuriko and Lathril in our casual episodes though.

[@Luastardust]

I play Kinnan too! We just didn’t get any games with it but yes I’m a big ole Winota fan working on other decks now too❤

[@patricksaville8672]

@@TheSpikeFeeders didn't mean anything ad about it. Sorry if it came across that way.

[@jonaswilliams9755]

Didn't Lua name Human off Cavern? So she couldn't have casted that Rabblemaster that turn?

[@ryancuschleg9329]

She made the red with gemstone cavern

[@jonaswilliams9755]

@@ryancuschleg9329 you're right, my bad.