Scullcom Hobby Electronics #31 - Design & Build a Milliohm Meter

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@jimmylightfinger1216
@jimmylightfinger1216 9 ай бұрын
A well paced lecture on how a project is developed: from the start block diagrams and their relationships, Then a purposed schematic to iron out some obvious kinks and electrical issues, to a breadboard to test the theories calculated prior, make adjustments or changes to anything outside desired specifications, fine tune, final testing, prototype and test, all with jelly bean parts...marvelous. Spot on.😊
@vernonbosshard9317
@vernonbosshard9317 Жыл бұрын
You remind me of my old instructor, Dr Chow, wasn't so good with english but could get the job done, he would draw out three large classroom dry erase boards with circuits then explain them. This was a little tech school in Texas, only got a little AAS degree but I wish I could go back in time and learn more.
@Mrhvac
@Mrhvac 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I know I'm late on the comment. I wanted to tell you what a great job you did and how much I appreciate your work. Video like this are so helpful and I learned a lot from yours. I'm just glad that people like you take the time to do them.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
Chris Tate (commented below) raised the point about using a lower constant current source. During my initial project design I did consider using a INA131 instead of the INA106. The INA131 has a gain of x100 so you could use a 10mA current source instead of a 100mA current source. I did initially test both options but I found the INA106 easier to set up and trim the offset voltage. The wiring would also be slightly different as pin 5 on the INA131 is grounded and the reference pin is also different. The INA131 is also more expensive than the INA106. Another option would be to use a INA110 which has switchable gain options but is in a 16 pin DIL package. In the end I went for the INA106 which was very accurate and stable and worked well and was cheaper.
@JetNmyFuture
@JetNmyFuture 7 жыл бұрын
Those are some seriously impressive hand drawn schematics! Vastly beyond my capability. Excellent project and a nice explanation of the circuit.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Many thanks.
@RobEinstein
@RobEinstein 7 жыл бұрын
Love your channel and projects. That's the difference between (real) electronics and being just a kit assembler. Excellent! Keep up more projects coming!!!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@velceaiulian6439
@velceaiulian6439 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for the patience with which you explained the principle of operation directly on the diagram, and for offering a constructive version accessible to those who really need such a tool. For a long time I somehow wanted to complete my lab with something like this but now I have a template that I will definitely make. Boys, subscribe to the channel as it deserves, not just for the way this gentleman explains, not just for the "toy" ideas you see! Thank you again !
@navigator171
@navigator171 7 жыл бұрын
This is the third time I'm watching this video. The interesting thing is that every time I watching I learn some thing different, I will build this project, already have most of the parts here with me. Thanks for share your knowledge Sr.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. Glad to hear you find it helpful. Regards, Louis
@leonerduk
@leonerduk 8 жыл бұрын
A cute-looking design. I'll be attempting to build this one up, using one of Barbouri's PCBs from oshpark. One thing I note is that the 2ohm upper limit of this unit seems to be entirely due to the panel meter. I found myself a 4 1/2 digit display panel meter on eBay that goes up to 4.3V, so with any luck I'll end up with a meter with a greater range that can go to 4.3ohms instead, but still with the given accuracy and precision of the unit presented here.
@marcallima7048
@marcallima7048 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing projects, by the way! Love this concept-to-product video format!
@qzorn4440
@qzorn4440 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Scullcom has created a Hobby Electronics Cult with his creative high end projects 😀 there should be a channel just for this type of culture with viewer feedback 🥳 new projects kits.
@nkp5845
@nkp5845 8 жыл бұрын
I love how you explain your designs from the block diagrams to the detail PCB- I will probably never need such a meter but I learnt a lot from how you designed it using the various ICs. I know for a project I will use your MAX680 design.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.
@zikermu
@zikermu 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for presenting your excellent and detailed project to us. Great professional work.
@cws-999
@cws-999 5 жыл бұрын
Its an absolutely pleasure to follow your teachings. Terathanks you for all! :-D
@First2ner
@First2ner 9 жыл бұрын
Two things: 1. If you don't have a good multimeter, you have no way of knowing if your source is really 0.1000xxx mA. 2. 100mA is good for low resistance, but will cause an error because of heating the resistor with 0.1A Thanks for video, as always love to watch them
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+First2ner Thanks for your good comments. I have found using a good quality resistor either a 0.1 ohm or 1 ohm at 0.1% tolerance, you can use that to set the reading and that should give you 100 mA, at that tolerance level. I take your point about the 100mA with regards heating but I have found that in practice with resistances below 1 ohm it has little effect and usually you are testing a resistance for just a few seconds (for example a 0.1 ohm resistor at 100mA will only needs to dissipate 1 milli watt of power).
@mnovo
@mnovo 9 жыл бұрын
+First2ner This is why the resistors are in parallel. 8x 1 watt resistors in parallel is a max rating on 8 watts. 1mW requirement means it's not even an issue. Awesome
@bobedge3149
@bobedge3149 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Very interesting, and remarkably simple. Perfect for measuring the resistance of high current (up to 2700A) welding cables. At those currents they can heat up enough to melt the cable sheath, even with 120mm squared cable. Part of my job is to recommend what size of cable is needed for a given length, and current. Now I will be able to actually quantify the job. As you can imagine a 100 meter length of 120mm cable can cost many hundreds, even thousands of pounds.
@LawrenceKesteloot
@LawrenceKesteloot 9 жыл бұрын
Outstanding, thank you for all the details. These videos must take so much time to make! It's really appreciated.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Lawrence Kesteloot Thank you for your kind comments.
@antiquephotographyodedlevy
@antiquephotographyodedlevy Жыл бұрын
I love you’re projects thank you for the efforts made into making them and explaining everything .
@steverodgers1112
@steverodgers1112 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Louis, As usual, a very thorough attention to detail. Another KiCad user here. I used to use Cadsoft Eagle, but switched when Eagle 5 would no longer run on the latest Linux distributions. For front panel work, I've had pretty good luck with Librecad printing 1:1 to a laser printer, then using glue sticks to stick the paper down to the front panel (Glue stick idea comes from electronicstrivia). I then use a drill press to drill holes, and a nibbler tool and nibble square and rectangular holes. The only downside to the nibbler is that it is tedious (and sometimes painful) to use.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Steve Rodgers Thanks for the comments and info.
@supersilve
@supersilve 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the tutorial video. Well explained in making this professional instrument. Well done.
@RambozoClown
@RambozoClown 9 жыл бұрын
Very nice project. Always nice to build your own test gear.
@pierrekiefer21
@pierrekiefer21 4 жыл бұрын
a very interesting project Louis and great video as all your other videos and tutorials ! Been following you for years. Thank you very much ! I sincerely do hope that you and your family are doing well. It is nearly 2 years since your last video. Take care Louis. Greetings from Hamburg.
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your videos I cannot wait to build from your projects I’m a hobbyist a beginner learning went back to College to take electronics classes. Cannot wait until my grandson gets old enough so I could build some of these projects with him.
@asniexasniex3571
@asniexasniex3571 9 жыл бұрын
I really cant thank you enough for your video. I learned so much. Please never stop doing these kinda videos. And if you can find more time please do more frequently. I am pretty sure a lot of people would want that. Also the main disadvantage with starting up electronics is how pricey the test gear is and the people who cant afford them or cant source them in their demographic area have no other go. But with the help of videos like yours and other youtubers a lot of people can build their own. Like someone mentioned above it would be really awesome if u can explain how each component was selected for eg: what to look for( freq response, slew rate and other characteristics) in an opamp for a project. And for the next project please build a really precise voltmeter like the one you have. Not everyone could afford a 6 1/2 multimeter in order to calibrate the circuits u have designed in other videos. It would be really cool if it had a digital autocalibration with a help of a micro :). Once again thanks a lot really appreciate your videos.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Asniex Asniex Thanks for your comments. You must have read my mind. My next video project will be on designing and making a precision 6½ Millivolt meter with auto calibration option at low cost suitable for the hobbyist. I have been busy of late but hope to complete this video in the next few days.
@asniexasniex3571
@asniexasniex3571 9 жыл бұрын
That really chuckin awesome
@Scorpio722
@Scorpio722 6 жыл бұрын
Great presentation for a practical Milliohm meter.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks George.
@cranegantry868
@cranegantry868 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice build. Loved watching this. Very thorough.
@brianfields6665
@brianfields6665 2 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video. Thank you very much! I have 2 of these recently brought in for repair, so will follow your excellent suggestions and instruction. Enjoy your very positive approach!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
PROBLEMS REPYING TO PIRATEMAN COMMENTS BELOW: So answer here - I used the INA106 OP Amp as it is high precision with an accuracy of 0.025% and a non-linearity error of only 0.001%. The 2 volt panel meter I used was a good quality one with good accuracy and resolution down to 1mV. I found it to be better than using the Arduino ADC.
@cowshittt
@cowshittt 4 жыл бұрын
I dare to say that your content is more educational than Dave's from EEV, too bad we havent seen from you lately.
@bobedge3149
@bobedge3149 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this project! I have to test welding machines which can output up to 2700A, so knowing what your load resistance, which is usually just lots of welding cable is vital. This will make my job calibrating so much easier
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you found this project useful.
@das250250
@das250250 8 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully built and explained with care and attention to detail .ty .
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I will be posting an update on this project soon as a PCB is now available for this project.
@twotone3070
@twotone3070 2 жыл бұрын
This was excellent explanation and video production. I just wish I needed a milliohm meter.
@47smitten
@47smitten Жыл бұрын
🎉 he's still alive. Keep up with the channel.🤗
@mightyastro2656
@mightyastro2656 9 жыл бұрын
been wanting something like this for a long time but just needed someone to explain how to do it so simply. Don't have time to make right now, but will defiantly be a project in the near future!Thanks alot
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Mighty Astro Thanks for your comments.
@jstro-hobbytech
@jstro-hobbytech 2 жыл бұрын
Great circuit design. Thank you
@PapasDino
@PapasDino 9 жыл бұрын
Super work Louis, thanks for sharing your design and final build!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Dino Papas Thanks Dino.
@franciscofernandes7526
@franciscofernandes7526 5 ай бұрын
Good project worth building. Cheers
@mnovo
@mnovo 9 жыл бұрын
Question about the INA106... If R1 is 10k and R2 is 100k, should it not be a gain of 11? Gain = 1+(R2/R1) This is where I always fail to understand... Very precise and detailed tutorial. So much clarified. Thank you, I learned a lot! I used this theory to construct a more accurate shunt for my DC load.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Mike Novo Thanks for the comment. In this circuit I am using the INA106 configured as a Differential Amplifier the gain is therefore x10. We are using both the + and - inputs and therefore the output is Vout=10(Plus Input - Negative Input). If you were to configure the INA106 as a non inverting buffer then the gain would be x11 but in that case the negative input pin (pin 2) would be grounded. Hope this clarifies the point.
@mnovo
@mnovo 9 жыл бұрын
Of course. I see that now. Thanks!
@passioneelettronica
@passioneelettronica Жыл бұрын
Hi, very nice project, I will make this, I had the same idea but you make a very professional project !
@esnam6557
@esnam6557 7 жыл бұрын
This is a very neat and useful project. Thank you much for sharing.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment.
@farschaad
@farschaad 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation. Thank you so much for sharing this video.
@patrickpafarnis5798
@patrickpafarnis5798 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice project, thank you very much for showing, and give me the possebility to build by myself.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I will be uploading an update on this project soon using a smaller PCB and some improvements to the circuit.
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 9 жыл бұрын
Nice video. That is a handy low Ohms meter.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Robert Calk Jr. Thanks Robert.
@fanfan-tz2tk
@fanfan-tz2tk 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing
@MarkGarth
@MarkGarth 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent project and very well explained.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Mark Garth Thanks Mark.
@whoam42a1
@whoam42a1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. A very detailed video
@Aviprink
@Aviprink 6 жыл бұрын
Really nice project sir 👍 please make more.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@berniken6511
@berniken6511 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the info on the 0-2v panel meter I have now ordered it............................Berni
@piotrhoowicz8284
@piotrhoowicz8284 9 жыл бұрын
Great job as always! Very instructive video. Actually it's so simple and usable that I will try to make a full smd version, just for learning purposes. Thanks for sharing...
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Piotr Hołowicz Thanks. A full SMD version should be quite neat.
@supyrow
@supyrow 9 жыл бұрын
those are nice leads!!! really nice work! I truly enjoyed that, now I have to make one! a great program for laying out panels is "Front Panel Designer" try it out (no connection to the company, just like their free software) Be Well! i love it that you use KiCad too!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+su pyrow Thanks for the tip on "Front Panel Designer".
@chanc.7648
@chanc.7648 Жыл бұрын
Very good project.
@WilliamCulver
@WilliamCulver 9 жыл бұрын
Great project, thanks for sharing.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+William Culver Thanks.
@OmarMekkawy
@OmarMekkawy 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video.How the 10 Ohm resistor compensate the 100 Ohm resistor effect ?. is there any calculations or any formula or any topic talking about this ?
@eded8045
@eded8045 2 жыл бұрын
great stuff!! If you visit this project again perhaps a multimeter attached to the rear to show readings above 2 ohm. Its almost an ESR checker?
@enginerdy
@enginerdy 8 жыл бұрын
You must have the pro edition of DaveCAD... those schematics look amazing!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@stevec5000
@stevec5000 7 жыл бұрын
Those Ebay banana plugs on the red and black leads will tend to be intermittent if the spring around the outside of the center pin is loose like they usually are. I got some like that and found that I had to solder one end of the outer spring to the center pin before they would make good contact.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve for your valid comment. The one I use are quite good quality so they seem to have been OK so far. Regards, Louis
@milanmladenovic
@milanmladenovic 9 жыл бұрын
Great project ! Thank you.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Милан Младеновић Thanks.
@ToltecMerc
@ToltecMerc 9 жыл бұрын
Perhaps your 4.5 digit meter has a trimmer on the back. You could fine tune the reading to match the voltage reading on the more accurate Keithley meter. I am gathering parts for this project now. I've been wanting one to track down shorts on PCBs. Thanks.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+ToltecMerc Thanks. Yes you are right their is a trimmer inside the panel meter, I will give it a try.
@ChrisHalden007
@ChrisHalden007 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thanks
@robertfenney
@robertfenney 9 жыл бұрын
This was a great project!
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+search4robfen Thanks.
@vernonbosshard9317
@vernonbosshard9317 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe how much they want for some equipment, is it that much better then say building this? This one appears to be really accurate and sensitive.
@AlexanderBrevig
@AlexanderBrevig 9 жыл бұрын
I love your videos! Great stuff :)
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Alexander Brevig Thanks Alexander.
@thomass7877
@thomass7877 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing ... Easy to understand even for a noob like me ... 👏
@davidaz4933
@davidaz4933 8 жыл бұрын
Nice job Small and simple circuit Only you should note capacitors Of the LM2940 should be ESR of 0.1-1 Preferable tantalum
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
+David Az Thanks for your comments.
@YashKudale
@YashKudale 9 жыл бұрын
Great video !! I like the total project done in one video concept it's great for such small project. One request that please include some videos where you design this project, what do you keep in mind while designing that project and also component selection. These are some parts where noobs like me have a hard time. Thanks for the video!! And one more request if you can make a video on op amp stability having tons of problem there.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Yash Kudale Thanks for your comments. Good point about the design process. Also I have been considering a video on op amps. May be something I can do when I have time.
@jeppet8479
@jeppet8479 7 жыл бұрын
First of all, love your videos. Would be awesome if you made an all in one DC precision multimeter with the ohm meter, voltmeter and then add precise amp meter. Basically making a poormans Keithley 2000 multimeter. Could really use one of those :)
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Nice idea but I think it may be costly to fully copy a Keithley 2000. Regards, Louis
@heinzschneider9554
@heinzschneider9554 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the explination, learned a lot
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it helpful.
@pisze1973
@pisze1973 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@law-ofohms7815
@law-ofohms7815 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Louis, I'm trying to measure uOhms accurately (resistance of a copper bussbar) could the INA106 be directly replaced with the INA131 to get the 100x gain?, My guess accuracy would suffer....
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, I think you would have to make minor changes to the PCB. The INA106 Reference pin is pin1 but on the INA131 it is pin 5. Pins 1 and 8 of the INA131 should be left unconnected. Other than that all the other pin connections are the same. So I think if you make the pin connection changes to the PCB it should work. It would be interesting to see how it functions with the INA131. You would also have to take in to account change to voltage reading on meter. To maintain the same gain error as the INA106 you should use the INA131BP version. If you try it let me know how you get on. Good luck.
@shamvibhute136
@shamvibhute136 2 жыл бұрын
nice work.
@monstereat90
@monstereat90 3 ай бұрын
this gentleman is a savior🫡
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@nraynaud
@nraynaud 9 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering: why do you use precision resistors when you are also adding a trim capability? Can't you just factor the error in the choice of the potentiometer?
9 жыл бұрын
I was about to ask the same question.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+nraynaud1 The reason I used 0.1% tolerance resistors was to reduce thermal drift errors effecting the overall resistance. The 15 turn trim potentiometer will have some drift error over time even after setting it. So the overall effect can be reduced by using good quality low tolerance resistors.
@nraynaud
@nraynaud 9 жыл бұрын
interesting, lower absolute tolerance on value also means higher time drift, then?
@SteelBlueVision
@SteelBlueVision 9 жыл бұрын
+nraynaud1 No, resistors with a lower TCR (nothing to do with tolerance, although very low tolerance resistors tend to have decent TCR characteristics as well) will drift less with temp changes.
@jmcorp8021
@jmcorp8021 5 жыл бұрын
@@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 i know super late to the party, but i was just thinking it might be good to use some big pots on the front panel. then put a switch to switch the precision calibration resistor back into circuit. that way you could fully calibrate it each time you wanted without having to open the case.
@stevegelnett4469
@stevegelnett4469 4 жыл бұрын
Well done, sir.
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@marcelojordao6602
@marcelojordao6602 4 жыл бұрын
bom trabalho!! parabens!!!
@onfireminium3798
@onfireminium3798 3 жыл бұрын
what a great video !
@JohnDoe-u3b
@JohnDoe-u3b Жыл бұрын
What panelmeter are you using or can you provide a link to a similar one?
@leglessinoz
@leglessinoz 2 жыл бұрын
any reason you couldn't use a panel-mount multiturn pot for the zero trim other than cost?
@brewman467
@brewman467 5 жыл бұрын
Question, please: wouldn't the DUT make the constant current smaller? The R to GND gets bigger with the DUT?
@zari63
@zari63 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there is chipper method to do this if u have 3 diode in parallel and u want to know which on faulty , use power supply with limit current and put minus probe on one diode and the same time touch the diodes and u feel the shorted diode become warmer then other .simple no??
@jorgemef
@jorgemef 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. Where do you get the 2v 4-1/2 digits panel?
@jagdishsawant3469
@jagdishsawant3469 Жыл бұрын
5digit voltmeter is included in parts list nor any suggestion for equivalent is added.pls suggest the suitable millivoltmeter .
@Alex-vr9qc
@Alex-vr9qc 7 жыл бұрын
I generally like you robust design approach. Although I see many overkills: 1. I would remove 5V regulator and converter for reasons below. 2. LT3092 - Has at least 1% set accuracy over temperature. If you have precision Vref, why do you need current regulator??? Put junky LM358 for 1cent OP AMP and NPN transitor - it will give accuracy < 0.1% (1 mV on 1.5V Vref!) You do not need to measure current and voltage near ground. Connect ordinary 12.5 resistor good wattage to ground and measure on OP AM Out. This will eliminate need of voltage pump and voltage regulator. 3. Use 7 100 Ohm resistors is nonsense, ihmo, because 1% resistor precision is mainly about initial value. Consider temperature drift instead. It is usually better then 0.1% for decent resistors almost regardless of resistor precision. You calibrate device - no need for precision resistors at all! 4. 7$ INA106 can be replaced by 10 cents OP07 OP AMP with about only 30uV offset error. 5. So the only investment is good Vref. And total cost should be less 12$ with box. Not 100$.
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, Thanks for your comments which I read with interest. You could remove the 5V regulator if you wish but having a stable input voltage helps with stability and long term temperature drift which could effect the accuracy of the constant current source. Using a LM358 to generate an accurate and stable constant current source would still be not be as accurate and stable as using a LT3092 (compare the datasheets for both IC's). So my preference would be to stick with the LT3092 which has a very accurate 10µA reference current source on the chip. You could replace the 7 100ohm resistors with one a good quality resistor if you wish. The INA106 is precision OP Amp with on-chip laser trimmed metal film resistors on the same substrate so it gives a very accurate x10 with an accuracy of ±0.025% and a non linearity of just 0.001% maximum. You would not be able to achieve the same accuracy and temperature stability with a OP07. Anyway, have fun with your own project its all about individual choices and what your main requirements are for you. Regards, Louis
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 9 жыл бұрын
What a loverly job :-D, that must have taken a lot of care to keep errors out of the measurement, i can see that the 1.25v ref can be slightly off, its the stability that matters more. The trim can countermand any slight error, too clever :-D. And your set zero offset bias is ideal :-) 1000th of an ohm reading (display wise), the final digit can be ignored. I hope you made this project for yourself and not just to teach us. Really simple to make, simple to use, ohms law confirms it, Brilliant :-D
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+zx8401ztv Thanks again for your comments. I did this project to see if I could build a milliohm meter which was more accurate than my Keithley 2000 bench meter on its low ohm ranges and I have to say the unit turned out to be much better than the Keithley. I also have a commercial milliohm meter and have found that it is also not as accurate as this project. The main reason is that in both cases they used a much lower test current - in the case of the Keithley 2000 they use a test current of just 1mA and the commercial milliohm meter I have uses a test current of 10 mA. As a bonus I found I could design and build this accurate milliohm meter at a fraction of the cost and so I thought it would be nice to share this project.
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 9 жыл бұрын
+Scullcom Hobby Electronics Thank you very much for sharing your accurate designs. You have an ability to design "no nonsense projects", i really enjoy the simplicity and ease of understanding them, your operational discription leaves no grey areas to confuse anyone. Im a bit thick at times and i appreciate your teaching :-). No need to reply :-).
@SteelBlueVision
@SteelBlueVision 9 жыл бұрын
+Scullcom Hobby Electronics But, the reason they use such low current is to avoid thermal drift in the resistor due to it being heated up by 100 mA. So, there's an argument to be made that your reading is more erroneous for resistors with a higher TCR rating.
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 9 жыл бұрын
+SteelBlueVision True but resistors never stay cold in equipment, so testing them cold isnt the way they will be used. Im not saying your wrong, but resistors do get warm :-)
@SteelBlueVision
@SteelBlueVision 9 жыл бұрын
Your point is very valid, I was talking in isolation (i.e., on a breadboard). On the other hand, if you're after a truly accurate measurement, it is probably a good idea to apply the exact current that will be flowing through the resistor (assuming it is constant of course), or a range otherwise...
@chrispychickin
@chrispychickin 9 жыл бұрын
I would think that 100mA is a bit excessive for a test current. Isn't there an alternative to the INA106 with higher gain to work around this? Otherwise, a very interesting project, I've used other INA series op amps for precision current measurement before, and they've worked out great, with very little supporting circuitry
@BM_brb
@BM_brb 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a new subscriber and a fan sir. 😘
@pagepro211
@pagepro211 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 9 ай бұрын
You R ""The Resistance Whisperer". Really wonderful project! Sorry I'm so late to the party. It is amazingly clever, well thought out and explained - with amazing detail! I must posses this "high quality test unit" Thanks so much professor. Cheers from So.CA.USA 3rd House On the Left.
@gizzzmonic
@gizzzmonic 3 жыл бұрын
RIP my friend
@seyedmarashi
@seyedmarashi 7 жыл бұрын
WellDone Man, Excellent Thanks
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Seyed.
@КириллФерапонтов-д6ъ
@КириллФерапонтов-д6ъ 6 жыл бұрын
Privet sprosi ty znayesh tol'ko kontroller skhemy bldc mc33035?
@ElectronPcRepair
@ElectronPcRepair Жыл бұрын
Can this be used as Short circuit detector
@capriracer351
@capriracer351 9 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent project. I will probably build it and use my Keithley 197A for the meter since it is the most accurate meter that I own. I see possibilities for using this for finding shorts while troubleshooting PCB's. One question that I have though. Would it be better, at least in my scenario of using this to find PCB faults, to use 10ma as a source instead of 100ma to reduce any heating? Or, do you think that this would not matter?
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+capriracer351 Thanks. I have found that using 100mA current source to be the best option as you are able to get a better voltage reading and therefore a higher degree of accuracy. Some commercially available Milliohm meters on the market do use 10mA source current but in practice I have found their results to be poor on very low resistance readings below 20 milliohms. The higher the current used the better the accuracy of the results. Of course there may be some difficulties in providing a high value very accurate constant current, but today with the Linear Technology IC LT3092 this is relatively easy up to a maximum current of 200mA. At these levels heat is not really an issue. So to summaries I would recommend you stick with the 100mA.
@marcallima7048
@marcallima7048 4 жыл бұрын
I got a problem with this project. I'm getting that a voltage generator is a requirement, cause fails without it, but unavailable around here. I google about and found bunch of 555 negative voltage generator, but with a low current capability. Can you guys help me here?
@MrMonomonster
@MrMonomonster 8 жыл бұрын
Great project!!! Wondering - can you really trust the panel meter?
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 8 жыл бұрын
+MrMonomonster Thanks. The panel meter I used on the project proved to be accurate up to 0.1mV reading. So it was fine what the project set out to do. This panel meters are a little more expensive than some others costing around £8, but worth it.
@gaozhao9812
@gaozhao9812 4 жыл бұрын
awesome.
@rayenbenharb7656
@rayenbenharb7656 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work, but can you give us more detail about the display
@JurekPrzezdziecki
@JurekPrzezdziecki 3 жыл бұрын
Does it measure the difference between two resistors - 1000.1 Ohm and 1000.01 Ohm ? Could it be used for selecting eg. 1k resistors?
@myhobbies5965
@myhobbies5965 5 жыл бұрын
Super, Sir.
@yannkitson116
@yannkitson116 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting, thank you for sharing :)
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702
@scullcomhobbyelectronics1702 9 жыл бұрын
+Yann Kitson You're welcome.
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