9 Things Mudrunner did better than Snowrunner

[@UberGrunk]

Snowrunner has an entire category reserved for troll vehicles, it's called "Highway trucks" :P

[@beezyj3227]

Literally WORTHLESS. Highway trucks or any vehicle with highway tires are completely utterly garbage unless you're roll playing and want to switch trucks and loads constantly. (Which I've done). Use a highway vehicle to tow an offroad vehicle on a semi bed which is carrying the load, then offload the offroad vehicle onto the mud, never touching the main road. Besides playing around like that they have no real use.

[@CeoOfTheBOIS]

@@beezyj3227 The GMC is good offroad with its offroad upgrades and suspension upgrades. If say it's good in the category of highway trucks.

[@tuongcat5728]

Dude that burn

[@daylineli]

And stock DON 71

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

@@daylineli and stock Tuz 166 which the most useless vehicle in the game

[@kurtsteiner7310]

Mudrunner was a lot better in certain things, it felt like a successor to the original Spintires. Snowrunner is more like a whole new thing.

[@thefusionshark]

Agreed, in my mind mudrunner had the ideas but couldn’t carry them out, snowrunner has ideas but not the same but carried them out, if snowrunner would’ve kept some of the ideas that mudrunner did it would be better

[@Airsoft_Ghost1]

Is that not the point tho, making a new game, trying to make it better?

[@armoredp]

@@Airsoft_Ghost1 Yes but not removing things that were already good.

[@Airsoft_Ghost1]

armoredp what was already good? Logging 24/7?

[@armoredp]

@@Airsoft_Ghost1 I don't think you quite understand what "things that were already good" means, it does not mean personally cherry picking the one clear fault of Mudrunner. But anyway; Mud physics were much better than in Snowrunner, vehicle models looked much better and more realistic, better steering and all the points made in his video.

[@KamisKapi]

K 700 whistle is so nostalgic

[@Dirkietje8]

Download the mod, its pretty much the same as in Mudrunner, just missing the useful claw attachment.

[@SD1ONE]

@@Dirkietje8 Where is this mod...I searched it on mod.io but it's not there or maybe it's different name...love the K-700 and it's whistling engine

[@Dirkietje8]

@@SD1ONE i found it by searching 'K-700', it's by Silent_Laconic. 28th of May it was uploaded.

[@devioussounds]

Are yard truck at work does the same sound and it always reminds me of that lol

[@japanTzy-01]

​@@SD1ONE bro didn't respond

[@discoverlight]

Man your opinion is so spot on, I also hate that we don’t have the option to pull winch in SnowRunner to save fuel.

[@SD1ONE]

That is one feature I miss a lot in snowrunner...specially while recovering a flipped truck, It's engine gets ON making it harder to flip back.

[@katherinecurtis1747]

Brady Prince Wait, mudrunner had cruise control?

[@ShadowDragon246]

you'll be able to load vehicles onto a trailer and truck them around when phase 2 goes live besides the PTS

[@tacothe13th30]

@@katherinecurtis1747 Yeah (On Xbox or with an Xbox controller at least, i think) If you held right stick instead of just tapping it and then just stuck in in a gear (like low, auto, etc) you wouldn't have to touch the accelerator to get the truck going it would just go. But you wouldn't be able to move the camera.

[@stumpusMaximus]

You do. You have automatic winches that run on battery now with certain vehicles . You also have a crane now that can lift entire trucks and transport any vehicle you can lift and put on a bed

[@bluesrocker91]

I liked the atmosphere better in Mudrunner... The maps felt more remote and empty, and I liked the misty weather. Also, I wish there were more old, Soviet army trucks in Snowrunner.

[@MrFusion]

I like both styles. I don't mind the more warm and lively vibe in Snowrunner, but Mudrunner definitely nails that "you are in the middle of fucking nowhere" vibe.

[@Cavitt]

@@MrFusion exactly lol. The MudRunner vibe is serene, like you’re 100 miles from ANYBODY, whereas every SnowRunner region is like “hey, Bubba two streets over needs your help with these rocks” lol.

[@Wassup1005]

Bubba😂​@@Cavitt

[@jodiy0628]

Here is a little detail that they missed out on in snowrunner when the engine is off In mudrunner the steering wheel spins slower because no engine power lus no power steering is on yet snowrunner completely removed that feature.

[@146fx]

some truck uses hydraulic pump to turn the wheels so if engine is off pump isnt working. depends on what truck though...

[@F_UNV]

@@146fx original SpinTires don’t have that feature at all...

[@comdrive3865]

I think snowrunner was built on an updated game engine, hence they had to remove some code when porting over it

[@discoverlight]

Man I’ve noticed the addons and trailers early and I can’t understand why in SnowRunner they used the same type for both regions. That is a easy thing and makes a huge difference.

[@armoredp]

You'd think they still have all the assets of the Mudrunner game. I would not have minded they just copied/transferred them to Snowrunner.

[@thefusionshark]

armoredp but also improving the visual appearance of the truck truck such as quality

[@armoredp]

@@thefusionshark Well they'd get a visual upgrade being transferred into the Snowrunner engine, but honestly the details on the mudrunner trucks are topnotch already.

[@thefusionshark]

armoredp yes while they are really good I think there’s some improvement to be done mainly on the interior

[@MapleMan1984]

@@armoredp they do, many of the tires are ripped from mudrunner

[@brooksrownd2275]

The BEST thing about MudRunner was delivering user-created vehicles and maps through the Steam Workshop! The worst thing about SnowRunner is the lack of the classic soviet-era vehicles.

[@armoredp]

Yeah they really dropped the ball on that one. I mean they had all the assets from Mudrunner, those trucks should have been there, they are iconic.

[@kevinrhodes6066]

You should wait, because they are making extra money with an epic exclusive contract, like many games, it should be in steam 1-2 years

[@trombulan]

Couldn't agree more

[@app_manifestation]

AND its not on steam.

[@Tenere_]

there's already quite a few mods for the soviet era vehicles on pc

[@boomyoulookingforthis1362]

They should have two scout classes, large scouts, and small scouts. The small scouts should have a recall feature.

[@SD1ONE]

Nice Suggestion...Scouts class is kinda messed up...They really need that larg & small divide

[@OttosTheName]

Small scouts might as well not be there though... A Kodiak is just as nimble and at least twice as fast as any scout in any tricky or difficult terrain. In MudRunner they were actually fun to drive.

[@beezyj3227]

@@OttosTheName the scouts in Snowrunner are useless until you get the max upgrades for them with the lifted suspension and giant mud tires. They can't make it through the simplest terrain. Any 6x6 with stock tires is easier to navigate than the scouts. I never use the scouts for anything at all. I was excited to see the International Lodster and its add-ons, till I tried it and it's pretty much garbage. Only thing scouts are good for are collecting scout trailers to sell back to the trailer store. That's it. Even then I just use a regular truck, winch the trailer to the store, then use a scout to attach it and sell it.

[@s1dney149]

big brain moment

[@boomyoulookingforthis1362]

@@s1dney149 oh yeah, this is big brain time

[@sillyquigga9467]

I absolutely love mudrunner, i can feel russia just by playing that game with my friends, getting stuck in mud, rivers, between trees. We helped each other and tried our best and when we discovered winch bug we took flight. Mudrunner has special place in my heart

[@Finnmarken91]

Me too man!

[@aircooledgaming]

One big feature that's missing in SnowRunner is H-pattern shifter for wheels. Huge disappointment that they removed that feature.

[@OttosTheName]

And they removed cruise control. And precise throttle for keyboard players. And setting steering angle for winched vehicle, which was absolutely essential for towing through trees. So many downgrades were made to the basic mechanics...

[@trombulan]

@@OttosTheName but, but graphics are most important... :))

[@hellopeoplee]

@@trombulan the high graphics just make my normal ps4 automatically turn them down most of the time and theirs no option I know of to change them manually so it ends up looking worse than Mudrunner instead of better

[@vladvulcan]

that thing was unwieldy

[@Lonewolf23-26]

Really miss h-shifter with clutch made that mudrunner and even before that spin tires so great was being able to utilize the shifter and clutch

[@LasseKongo69]

And is it only me who thinks the engine sounds have been downgraded?

[@Markmckwn]

Engine sounds in Mudrunner is way better than Snowrunner! You are totally right, ive always said that to myself.

[@crystalasteroid5571]

@@Markmckwn so should I not get snow runner

[@Markmckwn]

@@crystalasteroid5571 No absolutely man you have to get snowrunner, its amazing! Really Really brilliant game, just saying the sound of the trucks were better in mudrunner thats all.

[@harleydanforth5986]

@@crystalasteroid5571 they have console mods in snow runner now and it makes it so much better

[@tennydwyer4613]

@Sanningen if you thought snowrunner was awful then there’s no point in mud runner

[@reinbeers5322]

Wish we had most of the old russian trucks here. Especially monsters like the E7310.

[@ZoMTDU]

Is the MAZ 8x8 in snow runner? That base Spin Tires vehicle was a beast.

[@reinbeers5322]

@@ZoMTDU Nope.

[@peddy911]

Snowrunner is based on American trucks.

[@ZoMTDU]

@@peddy911 huh.

[@jochenkraus7016]

Snowrunner has a Russian part that's a bit Mudrunner-ish (landscape, buildings, weather) with more modern vehicles. But as mentioned in the video, some of them could carry a longer flatbed or a bigger crane. Afaik there are several sizes of those yellow service things that contain both fuel an repair points.

[@Kilb-ill]

One of the first thing that come to my mind is, that in mudrunner a loaded trailer felt really heavy. In snowrunner it makes no difference if they're loaded or not....the bounce, jump and so on.

[@altuck4x4]

That is very true 👍

[@zyanide4968]

Dude try loading concrete blocks... they are so heavy

[@Tominator907]

Not true. Just loading them the trailers suspension squats.

[@eggy_white2100]

I went across a river crossing unloaded, came back with long logs and couldn't get across weight does have an impact

[@0xsergy]

@@thefreshprinceofbriggsmoun4441 they may have changed the weight of loaded trailers at some point, some are definitely still broken. like the fuel trailer, utility trailer, and maintenance trailer all don't weigh anything by default(probably around 2000-3000kg or something, the fuel one for example should weigh around 16,000kg). there's a mod to make them weigh the proper weight though, Real Life mod.

[@Vulture2k]

Actually the fuel capacity is a big thing to m. It's weird seeing some oshkosh have 300 Liter and sucking it dry in half a map when in reality they have like 800 or so. A lot of the big vehicles are very limited in range, I get that it is a gameplay mechanic.. But still.

[@justindesrosiers3145]

*cough cough*ANK MK38*cough cough*

[@comethiburs2326]

@@justindesrosiers3145 lol right, medium size, burns more fuel than the P16 under load.

[@HalNordmann]

It is definitely a gameplay mechanic. Quite a few of the trucks have smaller tanks than in reality, to force players to think about fuel use.

[@123nya]

Именно для этого я скачивал программу, в которой вручную ставил количество топлива такое, какое и должно быть

[@themanwithnoname1839]

​@@HalNordmannwell its a bullshit mechanic cuz how the hell the azov 5319 only got thirteen more gallons of fuel than a land rover........... Some civie cars have 40 gallon tanks, and this beefy military truck only got 53 gallons and then other players will ridicule me for modding it to be better and realistic....... Just imagine while i was in the army, me driving my stryker and it had a 50 gallon tank..... Those bitches easily hold upwards of a hundred or more..... I never knew the precise amount but i knew when we filled them up it took a good twenty damn minutes lmfao rofl

[@initialyeet3951]

I still feel Snowrunner is better, it’s simply more fun to me and the weather isn’t always depressing. The same addons is kinda sad but it makes space for more addons(like the crane). Also hard mode would help the recall feature.

[@SD1ONE]

well... like I mentioned in disclaimer which nobody reads (including me 😜) this video doesn't mean mudrunner is better than snowrunner....I just want to mention the fearless they cut

[@initialyeet3951]

SD1ONE I was replying to others who said negative things

[@danimal865]

I like snow runner too, but we need a manual transmission. I want to be able to hold my truck in a certain gear. Another simple thing id like to see is light bar options in all 4 directions on top of the cab if you choose. Towing top heavy 100 ton trailers down pitch black trails at night sucks. I know you can fast forward time to day light but i like the night time. We just need more light. We also should be able to carry more fuel. You shouldnt have to fill up every 10 to 15 mins of driving, especially when there is only one or 2 gas stations on the whole map. The winch range is horrible. I could go on but yeah, just a few things id like

[@edenbarrera4591]

@@SD1ONE I like the video

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

I love the depressing weather 😂

[@vinhlocquach9603]

3 more things that really irk me off: 1. The automatic refuelling. In SnowRunner, sometimes the game automatically refuel from one source to another, while in MudRunner (+SpinTires), you don't have such problems. In fact, you can't syphon fuel between different vehicles like in SnowRunner (this I consider an improvement of SnowRunner, however). Also, you can't drain your fuel tank addon empty like in MudRunner. And no, hilariously, this feature can be seen not when you use a fuel station, but when you choose the "Refuel" option in the Advanced Menu. I consider this an annoyance and a very terrible design choice. 2. The differential lock. In MudRunner (also the same for SpinTires), once you switch to Low gear, the differential lock will be automatically activated. Not so in SnowRunner. That old habit carries over to the next game, and especially problematic on the earlier driver levels where you're stuck with crappy highway tires. You park on a loading zone located on a difficult patch of terrain to use a crane, and return the vehicle to neutral, or do whatever the hell that gets the vehicle shifted to Auto. It starts sinking into the surface. Once you're done and packed your cargo, you want to drive away, but can't activate the differential lock because of the stupid change. You're stuck, and have to use another truck to help it out. 3. What is the purpose of Neutral in this game, when you enter a vehicle it defaults to Auto? For a game flexing itself as a "simulator", this behavior will get you kicked out of a driving school, let alone technically possible in real life. Also, I don't understand why they don't allow differential locking in Neutral. I haven't even mentioned that they still haven't bother to change the in-game sun. Have you ever seen our Sun rising AND setting on the West? Never will. And there are many other things that I find inferior to MudRunner. But considering the dev team's capabilities with the bugs, I'd say these things might never get changed, and I'm almost used to them anyway. Let them focus on the bugs before any other change is made. I love the game. In fact, I've sunk so many hours into it that I can't remember. It generally did carry 2 of the greatest selling points of MudRunner and SpinTires which are replayability and modding capabilities. However, I consider SnowRunner a spin-off of the series, similar to Forza Motorsport and Horizon. I currently play all 3 of them, and since Oovee now actually picked up SpinTires where they left off, the game feels alive again, and that gives us players a good variety of tastes and experience. Maybe one day, we can get all (or most) of the good points of them all and combine into a single masterpiece. Now that is something I'm willing to pay full price for. (Edited for punctuation and grammar).

[@WatanabeNoTsuna.]

Regarding your first point, it's not automatic refuel - sometimes the game thinks we pressed the button twice (maybe if we press it longer?) the same happens when you exit a menu.

[@vinhlocquach9603]

That’s a possibility. I find that this usually happens when you just load up a map (either from the main menu or just changing between maps) and then refuel from a truck or a trailer nearby. Usually it just happen once until you load a new map.

[@thibautmerlin2376]

I think the sole utility of Neutral is when your gearbox is wrecked and start mischifting, it shifts to the neutral gear.

[@ViktorOrArray]

Another idea: mudrunner doesn’t have horror elements like the floating eyes, wolf, creepy church, echos coming from the tunnels, that kind of stuff

[@SD1ONE]

But I think If something is extra in Snowrunner then it can't be considered bad. Sure, some people may hate it but some people like me appreciate the extra effort done by the developers.

[@poodn4559]

In Snowrunner aren't you, the mc, supposed to be going around to all these places and doing all the tasks by yourself? I kinda wish there was character customization, though, seeing as we only ever get the one character

[@HNTR308]

Poodn It's in planing.

[@poodn4559]

@@HNTR308 oh, really? That's great to hear!

[@poodn4559]

I guess I should probably pay more attention, though

[@Sirhumblr]

@@poodn4559 did it ever come out?

[@poodn4559]

@@Sirhumblr as of rn, all the customization is for the trucks. I think that's what they're talking about

[@osmozz6981]

I think that the biggest thing that was changed for worse in my opinion from mud runner was the pacing of the whole game. I really prefered the puzzle type of maps over the snowrunners campaing style. When you found a ok truck the game never put a new really hard challenge in your way and game felt way more like busy work for the sake of compleating everything. In mud runner in the other hand you tried to find where are the trailers, vehicles on maps, and where you get fuel and where to transport it. And starting with the good old 1 star truck. Hopefully the mod maps will fix this issue that me and my friend have.

[@camoman7342]

The biggest thing I miss from Mudrunner that should be in Snowrunner is cruise control.

[@Dragunov302]

Yes

[@ChrisRC2008]

@@Dragunov302 it's got it now

[@123nya]

​@@ChrisRC2008 как включить это?

[@ChrisRC2008]

@@123nya for winching

[@123nya]

@@ChrisRC2008 how to enable cruise control in snow runner?

[@vincentcastor5978]

I actually still enjoy playing Mudrunner, as it feels like a different game entirely. I felt that some of the details were a bit better. The nights seemed colder in Mudrunner, and the way water continues to pour from underneath the truck after going through water.

[@grime2.085]

Definitely they nights did seem much colder

[@elewis6622]

Who remembers the fridge you could slap on top of that sedan

[@captainevenslower4400]

I miss the dangling Power and air lines between truck and trailer from mudrunner.

[@The8james5]

I miss the compass HUD, winch mechanics and map water depth

[@benmk21600]

I was a beta tester of Spintires 2013-2015. You can see from my 2014 videos it was way ahead of it's time and pretty much the same as Mudrunner . This is because something major happened and there was a big fall out of the developers (Oovee) . Mudrunner bought the game ,added a few American trucks (There was already free mods!) and cashed in selling the game again . Last year Oovee got the game rights back so I presume Snowrunner with lots less features is all they have. Better graphics are probably quite easy now with the improvements in graphics engines , and using the same trailers and containers is just lazyness in my opinion. I think Spintires is back on steam.

[@FirstFamilyCharger]

I so wish they would make a new direct competitor to Snowrunner. Console mods and all. Probably not going to happen unfortunately. You can really feel how NOT authentic Snowrunner is.

[@brooksrownd2275]

Weird, I never knew you could recall a scout to anywhere except a garage

[@derguutebabobauer]

@Trey Lewis same

[@connorthemusicguru690]

Being able to spam the horn was fun in Mudrunner multiplayer, Snowrunner you have to let the horn finish before doing it again.

[@kenj.4090]

I like the way Mudrunner feels while driving. It feels more realistic to me than Snowrunner did. And the Gearbox in Mudrunner works way much better for me, to shift is more fun.

[@cs.marcell469]

Nice video! But don't forget Spintires's Flood map and it has the abillity to turn the second cars wheel to left and right while you are pulling it.

[@Dirkietje8]

I miss Deluge (Flood in Spintires) and I feel Mudrunner had better following mechanics.

[@pedromallol6498]

You forgot to mention the mud psychics (mud build up on tires) are way better on MudRunner than SnowRunner.

[@Andrew-mv5kt]

someone should make a mod pack with all the mudrunner trucks in it. including that little tractor and the A-969 Another thing is they should all have the old addons, as you said at 4:50

[@swagmasteryolo6259]

I feel like someone has or is working on it

[@armoredp]

And the MAZ 537, what a unit of a vehicle that is.

[@Andrew-mv5kt]

Note, the new tuz warthog etc do have some mudrunner style add-ons, would love to see them as an option for other trucks, along with old trailers for scouts and trucks

[@vladvulcan]

@@armoredp, Kolob 74760 is like 537 a lot

[@armoredp]

@@vladvulcan True, but I really prefer the 1960/70 look on the trucks. That includes the Kraz 255 (pretty much the same as the Tayga) etc.

[@kwarkon1]

you forgot about key element: mud mechanics. In mudrunner your tires could damage the surface and dig in if you were not careful with your throttle. In snowrunner truck only just move slow in mud or stright get stuck. But the mud satys the same regardless of what you do.

[@dragoxk4542]

Really? That’s like the whole point

[@eratoz5096]

@@dragoxk4542 not really actually I have the game and you can see the mud deforming under your wheel , tho I would say mudrunner did a way better job for it because in snowrunner it always feel like its either I'm stuck or I'm not compare to mudrunner where I could feel like even when I thought I was f*cked I could still use some skill to get me out of here

[@Darion350]

I know this is ages old, but I find that using High or sometimes even Low-3 in mud causes me to get stuck due to digging in and then Low-2 or Low-1 will grab and get me out. Maybe it's just not as pronounced as it is in Mudrunner (I've only played Snowrunner).

[@Nusszucker]

@@Darion350 I really just started playing snowrunner on thursday and at least from my standpoint (having played mudrunner thrusday morning and switching in the evening) I can say, mud physics is on point in snowrunner now, it feels great, you deform the terrain, create new tire groves in deep mud, different vehicles behave differently on the same terrain, the only thing i am kinda missing is the 3d mud buildup on the tires, i just guess the developer did listen to the community and changed things for the better (or im just blind, don't know, but I enjoy snowrunner a lot)

[@0xsergy]

@@Nusszucker yeah, honestly I went back and played some spintires and the mud just felt weird. like you would climb out of a mud pit so easily if you modulated the throttle. like instantly up ontop of the dirt without deforming the edge at all which felt weird to me, almost like the dirt was too stiff. could have just been that map though.

[@godisforever7263]

Spintires and mudrunner the best game of my life. And snowrunner a hole new experience.

[@mirohanhinen2517]

But is the recall option REALLY realistic??

[@EddieFPV]

agreed. soon we will be able to carry a small scout on a trailer so this should be fun

[@SD1ONE]

I think they should make small scouts like DON, etc more relevant so that people would like to use them over bigger scouts like paystar, etc

[@initialyeet3951]

SD1ONE the PayStar isn’t a scout

[@alelokox88]

Is recalling your 12 tons truck to the garage realistic? No. Scouts are borderline useless in snowrunner, just the tatarin the Yar are usable and the tatarin cant even pull trailers. You could rescue your truck near a objective recalling a Scout and using the winch, you loose all spare parts and gas too so if you need that you needed to drive there still, if you only needed a push you could recall it. Was super useful and fair.

[@SD1ONE]

@@initialyeet3951oops.. I mean loadstar.... little condition there

[@eoghanoriordan2818]

I 100% agree with ya on the river thing, like in mudrunner you actually had to be careful when you crossed rivers, like making sure how heavy your truck was or what you where pulling so the current doesn’t take ya, in snowrunner all you have to be careful of is having a snorkel

[@98dodge360v8]

I miss the old winch drive/pull function. You should do a ANK vs Tayga comparison now that they added 2 new suspensions and Tayga tires to the ANK in the yukon update.

[@SD1ONE]

will do that soon

[@Clogmonger]

Snowrunner is immensely fun, I'm way more addicted to it. But I was messing with Mudrunner on my switch and watching how tree stumps and such move around in the mud when you bump em was mesmerizing. I think the mud has been downgraded. It still looks good but I'm not often blown away by it like I was in mudrunner.

[@ArtemChumachenko-j4s]

And the sound of the engine and the whistle of a big turbine are also better in Mudrunner

[@armoredp]

I'd also like to add that mudrunner has much nicer (mud)tires and wheels, it almost seems like Snowrunner doesn't have any russian tires, apart from the TUZ tatarin. They just put American looking tires on the russian trucks. Just wish the DLC would also include more new tires, would rather have that, than another new scout.

[@SD1ONE]

agreed... tires are same for most trucks... they should add like some exclusive tires like tayga has its wide tires although they shared those tires with warthog and tuz 16.

[@ninjafrozr8809]

can you also do top 10 things Snowrunner does better than Mudrunner ? I've completely finished Mudrunner and now i'm playing through SnowRunner and they feel VERY different. Mudrunner was aa lot more challenging and realistic while Snowrunner just feels like doing things off of a checklist, both are equally good on their own rights imo.

[@albinomma]

The trailers is a weird gripe. Trailers have standard sizes that all trucks use. There isn't different sizes of tge same trailer for a bigger truck.

[@beaverchicken]

THE HEAVY METAL BLASTING FROM THE LUMBER MILL IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE WHOOO YEEEEASSH

[@ChipDouglas10]

Snowrunner is amazing game i love it but Mudrunner felt more realistic. Can't really point finger on what did it more realistic but it just felt more realistic

[@EdyAlbertoMSGT3]

I think its because MudRunner is much more simplified, you get inmersed easier as in Snowrunner you are often reminded that you're on a game by the HUD and menus.

[@greyone40]

One thing that immediately disappointed me with Snowrunner was the lack of a standard gearbox. The way the auto system works just seems arcady and dumbing down. Then there is the "recover" function where you can just teleport back to the garage if you get stuck.

[@vonflames9260]

Personally, Mudrunner is the better of the two games for creating an immersive realistic setting and allowing the drab grey-scale grainy feel of how it really is like to work with Russian equipment. Endless hours of trudging through depression inducing marshland to be beat down only on your mis-judging of fuel requirements, is exactly like it is, trust Me. Snowrunner feels to Me like just another trucking simulator. Kinda like when Mad Max got all Tina Turner, pointless expensive additions at the loss of realism.

[@brockbajari7486]

I feel the driver one makes sense cuz I believe that you are 1 person going to different regions

[@SilverF250s]

I’m glad they have fixed lots of these.

[@SchazmenRassir]

I agree with all of these. But I have to note the troll vehicles. The A-968M is... well, no need to explain, really. It's a legend on this channel for a reason. The B-6A tractor is... honestly, surprisingly capable, in some regards. In a mod map (I forget which) that had swamp areas, all the vanilla vehicles kept getting stuck, and needed winches to move forward... except the tractor. It was slow-going, but that thing trundled on through the areas others couldn't, and only needed the winch a couple times to get over fallen trees. Kinda similar with the old B-130, actually. It's not powerful, but it's not useless either. Then again, I suppose it all depends on experience and will vs time and effort, but still.

[@victoriaevelyn3953]

The old gear box was better to you could put it into any speed and vary it not just low low, low mid and low high snow runner is a more polished version of mudrunner I do miss the trucks from the old game

[@IronWolf307]

The mudrunner low with 3 different stages is your low-, low and low+. The old 1+ is now high, only thing they didn't keep was the different adjustments for reverse. Snowrunner has actual throttle control and mudrunner didn't plus i prefer the plus layout over the H pattern.

[@lanzroco2]

I totally agree about the rivers. I wish someone would make maps in Snowrunner with more rivers and just water

[@SD1ONE]

Yup...I really missed river and deluge maps in snowrunner...It would be awesome if someone make those maps with snowrunner setting as mod map or devs bring something similar.

[@Orginal_Sinner]

I really do prefer the mud physics of mud runner over snow runner. I also just don't understand why do bigger vehicle's have the same fuel capacity. The twin steer has 3 big gas tanks but no increased capacity. I feel like the devs made snow runner too easy. It really should be a hardcore OG mud runner mode.

[@SD1ONE]

yes... they could have increased their fuel consumption for game balancing... don't know why they did that

[@armoredp]

Agreed the mud physics are MUCH better in Mudrunner, your wheels actually deform the mud and make their way through depending on the deformation. In Snow runner the mud deformation seems to be only visual, and the speed you traverse through them is just a numbers game between the traction value of your selected tire and the max traction value they programmed in for that piece of surface. And then on top of that they added scripted in speed limited areas. (Think of the snow patches in lake Kovd.)

[@Dirkietje8]

I am just really hoping for a gamemode like Hardcore. No recovering, increased fuel consumption, but trucks get rebalanced fuel tanks, only manual loading and more stuff like that. Maybe some one will mod it, but I would prefer it if the devs acknowledged the core of the fanbase who desire a bit more of a challenge after half a year of SR.

[@Orginal_Sinner]

@@armoredp i really don't enjoy the snow. I just got the upgrades and vehicles. Went back to the normal mud environments

[@Orginal_Sinner]

@@Dirkietje8 i plus ultra agree with you.

[@Olyoop527]

Most maps on mud runner have been remade to work in snow runner and if you look them up you can probably find them. If you play pc you will have a higher chance of finding them btw

[@SD1ONE]

Yeah, I tried some of them but I think they lacks some details like they're not using exactly same buildings, etc stuff as it was in original.

[@fukju9597]

I hope the devs see this and take some notes for future snowrunner updates

[@iamnotthemuffinman]

On the recall front, a nice advancement would be if you recalled a scout from a garage, it would physically gain a driver and actually drive to you, taking real time and using fuel on the way!

[@Natd0gsef]

I would be very happy if someone would bring back the 1995 F-150

[@dskpnk]

Played all the game, from spintires to mud runner to snowrunner... Even if some thing where "better" snowrunner is actually a much more complete product and globaly really good

[@BrianM78]

After watching this I want to try Mudrunner.

[@trombulan]

Hey, i love your vids. Will do you soms videos about Spintires as it gets regularly updates. Cheers and keep up the good content!

[@crazymic79]

Mudrunner was available on Steam, enough said.

[@0Lucaas]

@@BizlaC The problem is how it is trying to win over steam. I think...

[@0Lucaas]

@@BizlaC I wouldn't think that way, but since i don't want to extend this longer. Okay.

[@TheLegendBrolySS]

Epic is actually pretty good, not sure why they hate.

[@TheLegendBrolySS]

Also not to mention mudrunner was given away free on epic, can't beat that.

[@eratoz5096]

@@TheLegendBrolySS people like steam more because of the support it have (workshop,easy multiplayer,way better controller support) and people don't like epic for those reason but reverse (No modding support , being at the point of asking yourself if you should take a flight to your friend house to play cause it would be less complicated , and I can't even use my controller on epic )

[@yourlocalbaltimorerailfan.6756]

Thanks for appreciating Mudrunner still.

[@ghostofakina2512]

Mudrunner felt harder to me, i remember i was getting stuck in places i didnt expect to. And it was really hard to get the platinum trophy. While snowrunner seems a bit more arcade to me, after i got a good truck and unlocked mud tires, it seems that it will never get stuck. Of course tho if you want something more challenging you can get a worse truck with all terrain tires.

[@CBerr]

Playing mudrenner as a kid always creeped me out the sound of whistling diesels in the pitch black woods was creepy and awesome.

[@deenanthekemoni5567]

Can I just say I am whole heartedly addicted to this game.. brilliant atmosphere and physics based gameplay with gorgeous scenery and top notch engine sound effects. I have been lost in this game for weeks. I am preordering whatever STers releases next. 👍

[@Ultrakillerism]

Rejoice; with Phase 4 vehicles towed with the winch will have the option to turn off the engine

[@bewcina]

What i really miss in ST, MR and SR is proper physics and sound of engine and gearbox. No clutch. No rev counter...nothing. Feels like driving mario kart not the big rig😕

[@abrahammatthewanandamarro4352]

mr has rev counter

[@bewcina]

@@abrahammatthewanandamarro4352 True...but is useless

[@elitonbrunocavalhodesousa9539]

Is it my impression or did he put it on 2:51 He put an image of snowrunner saying that MUDRUNNER and one of MUDRUNNER saying that it is snowru

[@darrylelam256]

While I agree with you on most of it, I do have a few nitpicks. Granted that I never played Mudrunnner. 1. I like having the same driver, I like to think of the characters as 'me' when playing games. To switch characters just because you switched trucks seems odd to me. That said even just having an option to pick from 2-3 drivers would be nice. 2. We are getting that forklift in phase 2, so we aren't completely without unique vehicles. Althou I wouldn't mind some more troll vehicles. 3. I see the standardized trailers as a bit more common sense for the loads that are carried in snowrunner. When phase 3 and logging come out, then yea that would makes sense to have trailer different in size depending on the trunk. 4. I agree that some of those longer trucks should have like 3 slot addons, but we do 3 trucks in phase 1 that have 1 slot addons. and the two Russia trucks have very Russian looking fuel tanks. And looks like in phase 2 we will get a Russia truck with a built a crane(can't fully tell as its all white lol). 5. Lastly having different trailers for Russia and American trucks is nice, but I think it would be better if map that was the deciding factor. I mean if you are on a Russian map why would you be hauling American trailers just because you are driving an American truck? I mean bringing your truck over to another country is one thing, but bringing a number of trailers too? That doesn't make much sense.

[@airbornegr4815]

Go play mudrunner u muffin

[@GrayZ_dood]

What I aslo like is that instead of just getting a filled up fuel trailer/add-on, you actually had to go and fill it up in a fuel station on Mudrunner.

[@Ronh83]

This is exactly the same things I miss in the game! More diverse addons do a lot to the feel of the game. Send a link of this vid to the developers!! :)

[@jasonbell1698]

i forgot about being able to recall scouts in mud runner. that could have saved me a lot of time if it were in snowrunner

[@ericdempsey6097]

I never bought Mudrunner, was busy with other topics. But during that time of release and time period I watched many of your videos. I found your videos entertaining and informative of game absolutely. But by watching those works you did made me download Snowrunner, so sir I blame you for my past few days of addictive/ torturous gameplay I have received with a smile on my face. A wonderful game I play thanks to you !! Peace all...til you get stuck.

[@IronWolf307]

Agree with most of the video except calling the b-6a a troll vehicle. That tractor is the secret weapon for solo getting hardcore one star deluge.

[@xdxd4081]

2:46-3:09 You accidently dropped on one mistake, i found out that at the mudrunner parts it said Snowrunner, and for snowrunner it said Mudrunner. If someone already said this, then remind me.

[@Terrariatheuniversejooj4205]

80% of peoples don't see this And almost everyone dont comment this ... really

[@bellator11]

Agree 100% with all points! Hopefully the devs will listen to this!

[@footypatrawisesa6422]

2:05 Bob vs uncle sam were always have a fight

[@lando1071]

You are spot on. You should send this to the developers so they can incorporate this into their next game as it's probably too late to add to snowrunner.

[@sgt_kissekatt6686]

Yeah sadly this is a pretty common thing, when a game increases in one aspect it decreases in others. So when Mudrunner turning into the open world Snowrunner they cut back on work that made Mudrunner so good, sadly, other than the things mentioned in this video Snowrunner have been lovely!

[@SoilentGr33n]

Agreed on the winch, but also the Mudrunner Camera was so much better because of the amazing hotkey system with truck/trailer/front/back views. So much control. Now we swivel all the time.

[@GoatmanBDX]

What about no cruise control? Does no one miss the cruise control?

[@maxx1o1]

I didn't even know mudrunner had cruise control

[@AtomicWaffle]

@@maxx1o1 if u held RS on a xb controller u turn on CC, but u wont be able to turn the camera around anymore. U could only shift. It was more like putting a brick on the pedal rather than modern version of CC, cause u know... old trucks and all.

[@maxx1o1]

@@AtomicWaffle Im not using a controller but I'll try it the next time I play mud runner

[@MOMAZOSPATO]

Just bought snowrunner, and just five minutes later this video appears. Wonderful.

[@meh_name_j3ff120]

Same

[@HassanMohamoud-lg2xw]

free on the epic store 26.11.20 - 03.12.20

[@tealcformerfirstprimeofapo22]

Lots of things here i miss from mudrunner I would love a return of the recall feature

[@MOMAZOSPATO]

This game is in beta, I know that most things will be added and improved this year.

[@cadet5126]

I 100% agree. Small scouts should have recall feature, trucks with huge space should have something to fill those gaps like unique addons, semitrailer, carriage/trailer and/or utility box for repair and refuel. One thing too that saddles should be movable like back and forth for adjustments

[@HaloPlato]

Saying snowrunner has no troll vehicles, then later complaining that the troll vehicles in snowrunner lack functionality (small scout recal)

[@davidty2006]

Is the Loaf not classed as a troll vehicle? it's not a recommended scout unless you want to mess with a bread van.

[@SD1ONE]

well small scouts are less useful but we can't say that they're troll....9n other hand car amd tractor from mudrunner are completely useless

[@jessegd6306]

I wouldn't say the car and tractor are completely useless, as one could potentially still scout with one and deliver fuel/repairs with the other. It's just that they're TERRIBLE at those jobs.

[@TheMack177]

That is 100% true. The managed to make some things better in SnowRunner, but cut out a lot of cool and important things. Why?

[@fuckyoutube4]

so they can focus on developing new maps and new trucks faster?

[@trippingandpolenta]

You forgot the 3D mud effect on the tyres, that gradually fell off on the tarmac (much better in Mudrunner, Snowrunner it's too "clean" for this kind of game) and the wonderful gasoline "rainbow" effect on water surface... missing in Snowrunner. :'(

[@brvy3422]

this effect is in the snowrunner

[@x7bsytchannel]

I hope they take this as a reference for future updates.

[@xdxd4081]

Well snowrunner might have a troll vehicle, and that is the CAT TH357D telehander, well it is because the game is 95% offroad game and the TH357D is quite out of character but it is meant to load things onto the truck so either it is a troll vehicle or a normal.

[@Hurricill]

I miss the long logs in Snowrunner so much, would like to carry some Wood over those new Maps with the newer graphics

[@OttosTheName]

One more thing about towing: In MR it was possible to tow a truck that was in reverse. Now if you try to tow a vehicle from the back they automatically start driving in the wrong direction. Wtf, devs?

[@zacharymclaren5665]

I would like to see someone make a spirtitual successor to mudrunner and snowrunner, taking the best elements from both games and puting them in one game

[@stevenethan4638]

I am still playing Mud Runner, I am having second thoughts whether to buy Snow Runner or not.....🔥

[@doktorsljukex4174]

Snowrunner is a ok game but it doesnt have that many details like mudrunner. And the lack of updates makes it even worse. Overall i would recommend it.

[@SD1ONE]

if you like mudrunner, you're gonna love snowrunner, mudrunner is not gonna get any more updates

[@airbornegr4815]

Don't waste your money. I wish I haven't wasted mine

[@jochenkraus7016]

I got Snowrunner when it was discounted. The different goods bring more variety. Spintires and Mudrunner are fun, but it's basically unlock garages and haul logs on every map. In Snowrunner you also find contracts on the map.

[@Clogmonger]

Snowrunner is a better game. Mudrunner is a better simulator.

[@mornagoussis7259]

At 6:48 it talks about wasted space but that is open for a reason, on most large trucks you can add a crane or resupply tools. There is longer beds for people who don’t want a second add-on.

[@Japixx]

I feel like both Spintires were more like tech demos and Snowrunner is fully polished game

[@eratoz5096]

I disagree with that , spintire feels like a really complet game just more indie without all the big name like ford or cat . A tech demo would just be mud deformation and a basic sample car with nothing to do kinda like beamng.drive (which is still a fantastic tech demo just not really a "game")

[@Bartooc]

In Snowrunner there are all those snorchers taller than vehicle but I have yet to see water deeper than wheel height. Also there is something really weird with physics in Snowrunner full trailers bouncing on the smallers rock.

[@trg_pork6613]

I prefer snowrunner because it has a more varied amount of environments to play around in and the trucks are way better. The game is less frustrating and it feels less like a delivery simulator and more like an off-road game.

[@sigmaxi7822]

Haha, I did not know about the recall feature in Mudrunner. Nice

[@codiemcleod6302]

Not gonna lie i read the title as: 9 Things Murderers did better than snowrunner.

[@3M0T10NL3SS]

What totally gets me is physics in snowrunner. It works at things only about 7 metres away from the vehicle. A great example is letting a box fall from a mountain. It just gets stuck in the miggle of fall and if you don't put a vehicle or crane near it, it just sits here and waits even when there's nothing under it

[@SD1ONE]

yes...that's actually same for all 3 games, In SR it is more noticiable because there's a lot going on like your various types of cargo, various trailers, etc so chances of them getting stuck in air is also high.