Love the “this or that” vids! I don’t have many friends in the hobby, so hearing the counter-points and banter helps add other perspectives to my own opinions (away from pinside). ToT: Your two favorite American Pinball games (LoV, Houdini, Oktoberfest, Hotwheels) or two favorite Spooky games (R&M, TNA, Halloween, Alice Cooper, UM, AMH)
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Thanks McGee! That’s why we are here buddy. And thanks for throwing us a tot for next time.
@OkieNGa2 жыл бұрын
Wanted to say thank you. I just bought my first pin less than a week ago. I hadn't played pinball in over 20 years, my family played a few at a kids bday party about 2 weeks ago, we spent hours playing and did not want to leave. So, I started the hunt, I will say based on the few games we played, your comments and critiques I bought JP Premium over TMNT Prem. I am beyond happy....180 games in less than 4 days happy. Also based on your comments I have a deposit on GZ Prem that I can't wait to get. Appreciate the content.
@antonvlasjuk30792 жыл бұрын
Toy story looks neat, but Godzilla is so awesome! Specially the Premium/ LE! Godzilla might be Stern's best game since AC/ DC
@sjab59872 жыл бұрын
I bought my first pinball machine about 25 years ago (TZ), have been collecting ever since, currently own 5 physical games AND a virtual pin. I know it's the norm to poo poo virtual pinball but for me it's a great compliment to my physical tables. The stuff Zen Studios puts out is fantastic, their originals could not exist in physical form. It's a completely different experience to physical pinball that I enjoy alongside my physical games. And I'm not talking about those Arcade1Up things, those are crap. I have a PC hooked up to my virtual table with hundreds of super fun games, high frame rates, no lag. To each his own.....just felt like I had to offer up the positive side of virtual pinball. Great video as always 👍
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
For sure. There’s some really damn cool stuff in the vp world
@adownbeatexegete15492 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM It's virtually free and able to be played on any device (it doesn't cost $9,000 for a single machine with one game), it doesn't damage the machine by playing it, the ball doesn't get stuck, you can just exit and reenter the game if someone added 4-6 players instead of having to have 12-18 balls drain. This is like the vinyl vs mp3 argument. Hipsters with money will always try and make vintage things superior when that's not the way things work in progression.
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
@@adownbeatexegete1549 I think your argument and analogy are faulty. This is far from the vinyl vs mp3 comparison. It’s more like saying you prefer to ride a virtual rollercoaster in your living room rather than actually getting on an engineering marvel. Or the analogy I have used before: there’s nothing wrong with a lot porn. It’s free, it’s easy, it’s not based in reality, it’s good for what it is. But there’s nothing close to the feeling of the real thing. :)
@adownbeatexegete15492 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM Most people don't have the luxury nor the ability to own a several-thousand-dollar toy. "My Lamborghini is better than your Altima, loser!" How exactly is one better that catches the attention of both police and criminals and costs more to fix than the Altima itself, yet each still serves the basic function of driving the speed limit? Classism is at every level and within every interest of society still. FALGSC or bust.
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
@@adownbeatexegete1549 easy there cowboy, no one was saying anything like that hahaha
@dvda17222 жыл бұрын
about damn time you make another video fellas… now my week is complete 😝
@davegrams14382 жыл бұрын
Yes to virtual pinball. No room or $ for real tables. And it is a fun project to together.
@TampaTec2 жыл бұрын
11:44 I agree, Godzilla prem and cash. I have Godzilla Pro and it's the best pinball shooter out of my 4 pins (The Getaway, Star Trek pro, Avengers Infinity Quest Prem)
@tshock22 Жыл бұрын
I have a virtual pin and I love it. I also love the real tables as well. They both have their place and audience. I'd be curious to see what kind of virtual pin setups you guys have tried. A good setup with a full size cab, premium screen, solenoids, a shaker, and properly configured tables is a nice experience. I've also played some virtual cabs that are just awful. They are also a labor of love to keep going. I'm a software engineer by day, and I've spent a lot of time keeping mine running and up-to-date. They need a lot of care and feeding. I've told plenty of friends that they shouldn't get one because they aren't technical enough to own them. They can just come over and play mine. That being said, given the choice I would always choose to play a working physical table over it's virtual counterpart if the option was there. That's a no-brainer.
@jhendrix232 жыл бұрын
Rush review, need to figure out some of the rules. Just got it 3 days ago, so far really like it.
@acemaker922 жыл бұрын
It’s about time! I’ve missed this or that videos. Greg is right, Zach you gotta give the people what they want! Lol
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
We shall see if the numbers agree muahahaha
@acemaker922 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM just like pinball market trends….the numbers don’t lie and neither do I lol
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
RUSH is absolutely phenomenal pinball machine!!! If I only had Expression Lights!!!!
@jimtauberg28942 жыл бұрын
Led Zeppelin Expression lights work...
@flyfalcons2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for including my question! I ended up getting the Black Knight Pro and love it, however I still play STH whenever I find one on location. Two very fun games.
@Boxoflightsarcade2 жыл бұрын
LE Godzilla is my favorite machine by a mile.
@brewmeistersmit Жыл бұрын
Yes, I built a full sized Williams wide body virtual pinball machine and love it! With VPX and a good development team like VPin Workshop, you can experience really cool tables that are rendered quite nicely. The led lighting, dmd, art, sound, and code stay true to each game and its great to be able to flip through your library and appreciate everything that goes into making a real table. Also, it gives you a chance to experience rare games like big bang bar and see the actual rom from the game run on your dmd. That all being said, it got me into pinball and I just purchased a Godzilla LE so I’m super excited to own a real table!
@SDTM Жыл бұрын
That’s a great attitude and we are glad you joined the community!
@RETROCENGO2 жыл бұрын
Dang it i missed you guys, love your videos. Another great video, but why SO short?? Everything under 2 hours is unacceptable😅 God bless you two and your family 🤗
@GearheadDaily2 жыл бұрын
Godzilla Premium rules them all
@RETROCENGO2 жыл бұрын
Greg Bone, JP LE or GZ prem??
@LordCyler3 ай бұрын
Someone hep me out - what did Haggis do? The "Celts" thing? Something different with the playfield that made it stronger?
@BenDunlop Жыл бұрын
I live in an apartment, so 3/4 virtual pinball is my only option 😅 its a good entry into the hobby - like racing video games (sim rig) as a gateway to real track days
@JoeMama11422 жыл бұрын
Looking down on people who may not have another option to enjoy the hobby other than a Vpin isn't a good look. I'm assuming that's not what you meant, but it's how it came off. I have both and there are definetly plusses and minuses to both. First and foremost being the high price of entry into the physical pin world.
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
100% We both love what vp offers people and it being a gateway into physical pinball. Our comments are mostly amped up for entertainment purposes.
@denniskriesel95572 жыл бұрын
You all have named Godzilla over T$4 and thus have both kept your honor. MechaGodzilla approves. /GodzillaRoar
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Damn, I can’t read Godzilla Roar without hearing your impersonation now…
@Bravesdarrell8552 Жыл бұрын
Ok I have a DP PRO & TMNT PRO . What should I trade for ?
@joshgrube842 жыл бұрын
"McGruber" took the 1UP AFM! I got 🐐 mania on insider so ironically they're both virtual for me until i get a real AFM! Obviously your best work yet tho guys!
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Love ya man
@EvenStarsBurnUp2 жыл бұрын
I rewatched the godzilla review. Greg seemed to enjoy it but was really held back by the theme from thinking it was great.. it seems he has come along way and is now signing high praise despite the theme. I cant compare games to the extent of you two of course. but I've at least tried most games briefly and to me it also seems to be high on the rank list. one of the games I've enjoyed the most as a beginner new to pinball.
@BradBulkley2 жыл бұрын
Man I feel lucky I got my POTC LE new for 11.5. I don't even play it much anymore but I can't give it up because I'd never pay the current price to get it back.
@jasonthompson81479 ай бұрын
What would be a good one vs. medieval madness for you guys?
@RETROCENGO2 жыл бұрын
Zach, WhirlWind+Radical or Stranger Things LE?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Oh damn you’re evil
@realms65402 жыл бұрын
You broke my heart ripping on my Skyline chili lol.
@Tiger2000Lion20052 жыл бұрын
Are you guys excited about the stern James Bond 007? Any news on what to expect. You guys in?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha I get excited about everything!!! Wish we knew more! Can’t wait to see the reveal!!!!
@King_Henry2 жыл бұрын
Gaudians Pro or Turtles Pro?? Thanks for selling me Gaudians 👌. That would have been a good comparison. Thanks Zach! King Henry here 😎
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
RUSH with Pin-Woofer. Dan is the Man!!! when it comes to pinball sounds
@alpha95262 жыл бұрын
I played Time Fantasy throughout high school back in the early eighties. I spend so much on that machine I could have bought it. For the past year I have been playing Star Wars pro at the local entertainment center. I am to the point that it is time to buy my first machine. I’m thinking about a Star Wars Premium just because I love the game. Does anyone have any suggestions for a first game purchase?
@rockfantasysteve2 жыл бұрын
GODZILLA by a country mile
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Man it’s going to be a hard ass pin to beat!!!!
@tdawgmd71282 жыл бұрын
Once you’ve played both, can’t do virtual pins. Just totally different than real pins.
@nextplat12 жыл бұрын
I just completed a trade and I'm starting to question whether I did well or lost. I traded my CGC SE Monster Bash & Jurassic Park Pro for CGC SE Cactus Canyon , Black Knight Sword of Rage Pro, & $5500 cash. Love to hear your thoughts.
@tootall16812 жыл бұрын
Struggling with this decision on which two games I want. SW Premium, Deadpool Pro or Jurassic Park pro. One has to go. Which two should I go with?
@bullhidebelts52742 жыл бұрын
Dp. Have them all. Sw is horrible imo
@cyanidechrist2 жыл бұрын
Go with Special Force.
@pferkler94262 жыл бұрын
I agree a lot with your picks. SW premium and TWD pro are two of my favorites. How about this or that TNA + WoZ RR or DP premium + DI LE
@ginovolpe31902 жыл бұрын
Thinking the same thing on taking nothing over virtual pins. Also hoping Pirates gets a vault. I like it but 24k is a little steep.
@ginovolpe31902 жыл бұрын
@Kwistenbiebel200 Space cadet (windows) and Pro Pinball 1-4 (PS1) were good. Besides that I'm not into it. The real tables never really make the translation.
@nickatmacomb89652 жыл бұрын
So glad to have you guys back! Great video as always. Zach get playing some rush so we can have a review!
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
I’m staying on him Nick!!! (Greg)
@nickatmacomb89652 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM Sounds great! I've been putting a lot of games on a Rush pro and man is it a fun game! Such a fun shooter. Looking forward to both of your thoughts.
@Pinman19732 жыл бұрын
GODZILLLLA prem. for sure over any game !
@Tiger2000Lion20052 жыл бұрын
I have the GZ premium and you guys are spot on as usual...irreplaceable
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Damn…it so is
@jimtauberg28942 жыл бұрын
Hey Zach, I get it that not everyone is a Rush fan. But if you ARE a Rush fan, the callouts are the best on the planet. Lots of inside "Rush fan" jokes.
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Just wait till he gets more time on it!!!! He will eventually become a full blown Rush fan!!!! (Greg)
@mstang01682 жыл бұрын
Finally opened the Rush LE I’ve had sitting by my front door for a few months and it’s amazing! Not super smooth like the Elwins but I like the variety. The shots are great and love the music but still need to read up on the rules.
@ImInFloridaBeaches2 жыл бұрын
Stern did a vote for which is their best game and Iron Maiden won. Can you all do brackets like that with all the machines and see what your viewers think the best is?
@elijahfaio66342 жыл бұрын
Can you do a review on the stranger things pro pinball please ? it's my favorite pinball I've tried before 🙏🏽🙏🏽
@nategersh4188 Жыл бұрын
Love havin noodles in the chili!
@MarkAnderko2 жыл бұрын
Wonka SE or TS4 LE?
@Freakyguy6662 жыл бұрын
when’s the Medieval Madness review going to drop?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Oooh hopefully soon. We have that and Halloween and Rick and Morty and Rush and all kinds of new reviews coming
@Freakyguy6662 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM given the code isn’t too deep, I would love to see how it stacks up in your ratings formula compared to the Top 100 on pinside!
@davidgbenke2 жыл бұрын
The people appreciate This or That
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
We loves the peoples
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
Led Zeppelin Premium vs Ghostbusters Premium
@nextplat12 жыл бұрын
Eville Pinball should do Godzilla Armor for premiums cause Sterns was weak. Sterns Mandalorian was awesome but Godzilla was weak. Just my opinion but I like that they're going to get into armor.
@Pitbull06692 жыл бұрын
How about Twilight Zone and Lord of the Rings SE or Toy story
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
WOZ !!!’
@tdawgmd71282 жыл бұрын
Elvira is just the best, period. Except for my Godzilla LE, lol. But I take Elvira over every other game besides Zilla.
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Damn you!!!! Iv been looking for a premium!!! Now I’m even more anxious to find one!!!! (Greg)
@tdawgmd71282 жыл бұрын
@@SDTM Elvira is awesome. My current lineup is wonka CE, GNR LE, Elvira premium and zilla LE. People are just drawn to Elvira. It’s a great shooter with a campy funny theme. Hard to beat. Hope you find one (but that’s hard to do…..)
@blakewagner30692 жыл бұрын
Fun episode!! Rat pack is back!
@kheavridnt2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great This or That! Talking about a newer Stern Pro, I'd have to say Jurassic Park. I'm in the minority here but Godzilla still hasn't clicked with me. It's good but I don't get the hype. But we love GnR too so we're probably just off or something... Thanks again guys!
@jimtauberg28942 жыл бұрын
Greg is right! RUSH premium is an amazing game!!
@tyarnold40882 жыл бұрын
Bugs or stuck balls?
@mokthemagicman2 жыл бұрын
Zach is not Turtley enough for the Turtle Club
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@twp79892 жыл бұрын
Redvines taste like slightly cherry flavored candles
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
HA
@drewpham96622 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video guys. We love to see it!!!!!!!
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Drew!!! Appreciate ya buddy
@johnrike25562 жыл бұрын
You guys are getting gray. Great video
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
No it’s just new camera gear
@pintrooper24122 жыл бұрын
Rush review guys Rush
@bheasy12 жыл бұрын
I WISH I had a jm... 😭 top 10 of my memories 😭 Operating a turtles pro right now =)
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
Who made that business decision at Evil Pinball? GZ would be a better game if you want to sell product
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
GZ has armor
@Siggy_Sour2 жыл бұрын
Jacob Like-y in a Chris Farley voice
@mcnillerandsons79062 жыл бұрын
Rick and Morty BSE or TS4 CE?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Oooh I like your thinking
@blakewagner30692 жыл бұрын
Show CEs some love!
@mcnillerandsons79062 жыл бұрын
GZ LE or your first born?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
(Us over here sweat rolling off our faces)
@-COZ2 жыл бұрын
A new sdtm video!!!!!
@txag007 Жыл бұрын
Zach is correct....Cactus Canyon over Rush!
@gregliebig39442 жыл бұрын
IJPA or Stranger Things Prem?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Damn that’s a good one Greg
@slob50412 жыл бұрын
rob zombie or champion pub
@jaketaylor88542 жыл бұрын
Lord of the rings +Stranger Things LE or Godzilla premium and Toy story LE
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh damn that’s tough
@TiltingT2 жыл бұрын
Hoew about a this or that for us poor folks best pin for $3500? LW3 not included! Lol
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
I like that idea
@steveversteegen82172 жыл бұрын
This or That: Willy Wonka LE or Toy Story 4 LE Mandalorian Premium or Rush Premium Now please don't let it be another year until the next video!
@JK-fv9xk2 жыл бұрын
That or this ?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that works too…or this?…
@mattw1234562 жыл бұрын
I’ll take Cincinnati chili over virtual pinball. Great White North and EHoH
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@afattori3162 жыл бұрын
GNR shoots like a dog. Couldn’t wait for my game to end. We one a free game and my two daughters didn’t even want to play it. I was stuck with it.
@OldDragonHunter2 жыл бұрын
I was agreeing with your choices until 35:18. Travesty!
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha you can leave the chocolate and sugar out of our meat soup thank you!
@zachgilchrist6699 ай бұрын
Can we get a let's kick this shit shirt?
@xblaed88442 жыл бұрын
What would you trade for Michael Jordan and depression Chile Is absolutely gross Are you guys from Kentucky
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@shankapotimus50002 жыл бұрын
It is funny how stranger things pro is soooo bad compared to a premium!
@CJinLexington2 жыл бұрын
RUSH LE by a mile! Love art on GNR but gameplay sucks. I've been to several arcades in multiple states and I have observed players walking up to GNR playing it one time and walking away in every location. No replay value. Pretty but boring to shoot.
@elsquibbs2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree on the GNR replay value. I have never been able to muster up the will to play it twice.
@michaeljkasnter2 жыл бұрын
Halloween only lasted 2- weeks in my home!!! Had to be one of the WORST SHOOTERS of all time!! Absolutely horrible
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
Whhhhaaattttt! It took me a little bit because it is so different but I’m loving it! (Greg) but it does have a very different feel
@afattori3162 жыл бұрын
Way to pick to do mods for a really shitty overpriced JJP pin.
@moobutt2 жыл бұрын
Rush is my favorite pin. Not only are they one of my favorite bands, but this pin shoots sooooo well. Great pin! No, the light show is not better on GnR. The lights shoot straight up into your eyes instead of onto the playfield! The expression lights are wayyyyyy better than JJP’s. Stranger Things Pro is a fantastic pin. Only moved mine to get an AFMr in the lineup (damn near same layout). But a great great pin. Licensed games don’t mean doo doo. WOZ pretty but floaty and boring. Twizzlers. Noodle chili is ghey.
@moobutt2 жыл бұрын
So is Evansville, er uhm, Eville pinball, owned or operated by y’all?
@SDTM2 жыл бұрын
No it is not. I wish I had time to open up another business haha